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00:04:10 <_dp_> ugh 00:04:21 <_dp_> doesn't seem so 00:04:44 <frosch123> yeah, doesn't look like it, and is also complicated. it would have to introduce tracktypes as well 00:05:15 <frosch123> but you can keep the engines you already have :) 00:06:02 <_dp_> hm, and if id is reused it gets engine but not railtype? xD 00:06:21 <frosch123> reused ids? 00:06:51 <_dp_> in mp if company is deleted new one can pick up that id again 00:07:24 <frosch123> ah, in that case it is probably reset 00:08:58 <frosch123> oh, no, it isn't 00:09:03 <frosch123> it keeps it :) 00:15:17 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 01:07:59 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 03:11:23 *** glx has quit IRC 03:35:14 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:38:36 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:54:38 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 06:55:53 *** Smedles has quit IRC 06:57:06 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 07:04:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:08:40 <andythenorth> o/ 07:09:39 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:25:56 *** Smedles has quit IRC 07:26:49 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 07:35:40 *** el3ktr4 has joined #openttd 07:58:06 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 07:59:19 *** Progman has joined #openttd 08:03:18 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7985: Fix #7976: Don't kick the client doing the rcon https://git.io/JvnBt 08:03:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh closed issue #7976: RCON kick/ban can crash the server https://git.io/JvZmM 08:03:21 <nielsm> morning 08:09:18 <andythenorth> moin 08:13:53 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS https://git.io/Jej1Z 08:21:00 <nielsm> hmm... I wonder if cargodist could allow creating a packet of cargo with a specific destination at any station, without that cargo having a "natural cause" 08:21:12 <nielsm> and even if cdist is turned off for that cargo class 08:21:22 <nielsm> per https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7912#issuecomment-571481542 08:22:50 <nielsm> or if cargo packets have room for an extra "this is a special GS-owned packet" flag that can put some of the usual rules out of effect (and also cause an event to fire when that cargo is delivered to its destination) 08:25:52 <andythenorth> so is there a sandbox mode GS in the works? 08:29:07 <nielsm> what would it be doing? 08:29:17 <nielsm> apart from eternal love 08:30:09 <nielsm> ooh, it has 531 downloads on bananas 08:39:02 <andythenorth> not sure 08:39:12 <andythenorth> turning on magic bulldozer :P 08:51:56 *** el3ktr4 has quit IRC 09:08:04 <nielsm> ah yes, cargo packets have a SourceType which is a byte size enum 09:08:26 <nielsm> so a fourth source type (special scenario cargo) could be added 09:10:38 <nielsm> oh huh, cargo packets don't have a destination after all, only a next station (while stationary) 09:15:54 <andythenorth> yes 09:15:57 <andythenorth> there are no destinations 09:15:59 <andythenorth> it's a myth 09:29:34 <andythenorth> at least, that's the case if I understood fonso correctly :) 09:31:25 *** el3ktr4 has joined #openttd 09:33:30 <andythenorth> afaiu, the flow is established at each station 09:33:40 <andythenorth> cargo packets have no destination, just a next hop 09:34:08 <andythenorth> incoming packets are assigned a next hop based on the established outbound flow 09:34:47 <andythenorth> the routes from each cargo source to n destinations are just a tree, with some kind of weighting at each node 09:35:16 * andythenorth last statement is blindingly obvious sorry :P 09:35:59 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 09:38:09 *** el3ktr4 has quit IRC 09:39:17 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 09:43:05 <nielsm> okay it also looks like the station decides whether to show a destination/next hop for each cargo just in time based on the current distribution type setting 09:56:58 <andythenorth> each station node maintains a list of destinations 09:57:06 <andythenorth> and these are recalculated from time to time 09:57:21 * andythenorth hasn't read code, that's based on fonso explanation to me :P 09:57:53 <andythenorth> cargo is assigned as x / n where x is the amount waiting, and n is the list of destinations 09:58:01 <andythenorth> demand changes the weighting 09:58:17 <andythenorth> distribution accuracy is how fine grained the calculation is 09:59:41 <andythenorth> it's all really smart 09:59:50 <andythenorth> it just has some odd gameplay implications :P 10:00:48 <nielsm> meaning when the train stops at a station, cargo on the train evaluates whether it wants to unload now and be paid for, stay on for another hop, or unload and take a different vehicle 10:01:21 <nielsm> meaning passengers still don't know where they're going until they arrive 10:05:40 <andythenorth> as I understand it 10:06:05 <andythenorth> it's also why A-B-C-D lines can have very odd effects 10:06:37 <andythenorth> if there are trains running the route so it's A-B-C-D-C-B-A 10:06:39 <nielsm> is there anything that ensures that cargo attempts to get further away from the source every hop? 10:06:52 <andythenorth> it's not uncommon to find cargo travelling B-C-A via transfer 10:06:54 <nielsm> i.e. not run backwards/in loops 10:07:03 <andythenorth> code would know 10:07:23 <andythenorth> I've seen cargo going 'wrong way' many times 10:07:54 <andythenorth> for freight 'no loading' at drop offs is essential for this reason 10:10:23 <nielsm> would be useful with cargo rules on stations instead of only orders, "this station is only allowed to accept deliveries of X, no transfers" 10:11:09 <michi_cc> It's cargodIst, not cargodEst, anything that makes it look like fixed destinations is just appearances because the GUI never shows individual cargo packets. 10:11:34 <nielsm> really just a "no transfers of cargo type X on this station" 10:13:51 <andythenorth> I believe that's all solved in JGR 10:13:53 <andythenorth> iirc 10:13:59 <andythenorth> nearly everything is solved in JGR 10:14:44 *** Samu has joined #openttd 10:15:13 <nielsm> I'm off 10:15:23 <peter1138> I'm on 10:18:20 <andythenorth> I'm afk 10:18:48 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:23:14 *** nielsm has quit IRC 10:24:16 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] aruscher commented on issue #7772: Showing destination when stopped or waiting https://git.io/Je4C2 11:00:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7981: Close #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/JvnKH 11:04:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7981: Close #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/JvnKF 11:42:23 *** Samu has quit IRC 11:44:55 *** Samu has joined #openttd 11:48:53 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 12:25:20 *** gnu_jj has joined #openttd 12:58:14 *** gnu_jj has quit IRC 13:03:13 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 13:26:35 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 13:50:25 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 13:51:44 <andythenorth> I'm afk 13:55:38 *** el3ktr4 has joined #openttd 13:55:49 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 13:57:39 *** el3ktr4 has quit IRC 14:34:45 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 14:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm having a feeling the airport in cities skylines does almost nothing 15:05:25 *** spnda has joined #openttd 15:42:46 *** spnda has quit IRC 15:48:25 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:15:45 *** Etua has joined #openttd 16:32:44 *** y2kboy23 has joined #openttd 16:37:29 *** y2kboy23_ has quit IRC 16:50:28 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:04:45 *** tokai has joined #openttd 17:04:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 17:11:44 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 17:13:56 * andythenorth just repainted 134 vehicles :P 17:13:59 <andythenorth> oof 17:24:36 *** spnda has joined #openttd 17:56:06 <FLHerne> But are they pretty now? 18:06:13 *** adikt has joined #openttd 18:13:12 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:13:12 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:17:43 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/Jvn98 18:19:51 *** adikt has quit IRC 18:27:15 <andythenorth> did we do vehicle variants yet? 18:34:04 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 18:38:15 *** adikt has joined #openttd 18:45:49 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9627/horse_steam_repaints.png 18:45:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JvnHi 18:45:49 <DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:45:51 <andythenorth> FLHerne: ^^^ 18:46:26 <andythenorth> corrected some errors 18:47:49 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 18:48:27 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 18:57:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/JvnHh 19:02:09 <LordAro> branch time? 19:17:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] msikma commented on issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS https://git.io/fjii3 19:28:16 <andythenorth> well that's no help :P 19:28:18 <andythenorth> we already fixed that 19:41:31 *** Etua has quit IRC 19:43:18 <andythenorth> maybe we didn't 20:11:32 *** MSavoritias[m] has left #openttd 20:32:03 *** ToBeFree has joined #openttd 20:35:05 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/JvZQ0 20:38:29 *** ToBeFree has left #openttd 20:40:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/JvZQ0 20:45:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/JvZQ0 20:47:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/Jvn5p 20:49:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/Jvn5j 20:50:15 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/Jvndv 20:51:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7981: Feature #7735: Implement protocol handling https://git.io/JvZQ0 21:07:03 <andythenorth> quiet eh? 21:07:10 <andythenorth> everyone is playing tank games? 21:08:51 <glx> I think we did in master andythenorth 21:09:14 <LordAro> anyone opposed to me making releases/1.10 ? 21:09:26 <glx> it's ok for me 21:09:42 <LordAro> release* 21:10:06 *** Smedles has quit IRC 21:10:41 <LordAro> it does done \o/ 21:11:19 <LordAro> i can put together an RC1 changelog & release preparation, does someone else want to do all the master gubbins? 21:11:31 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 21:11:45 <glx> what's the link for stuff to do ? 21:12:13 <LordAro> https://wiki.openttd.org/Doing_an_OpenTTD_release 21:13:58 <glx> ok I'll do the master stuff 21:28:11 *** Smedles_ has joined #openttd 21:31:19 *** Smedles has quit IRC 21:34:00 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:39:28 <LordAro> there have been quite a lot of changes since beta2 21:40:31 <glx> yeah many crash fixes 21:46:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #7986: Change: Heading for 1.11 now https://git.io/JvnFt 21:50:18 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on pull request #7986: Change: Heading for 1.11 now https://git.io/JvnFZ 21:50:47 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7986: Change: Heading for 1.11 now https://git.io/JvnFn 21:53:04 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #7986: Change: Heading for 1.11 now https://git.io/JvnFt 21:55:46 <frosch123> i wonder whether somewhen someone will get annoyed about CheckAPIVersion :) 21:57:29 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 approved pull request #7986: Change: Heading for 1.11 now https://git.io/JvnFR 22:21:32 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS https://git.io/Jvnbe 22:32:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro opened pull request #7987: Update: Prepare for 1.10.0-RC1 https://git.io/Jvnbm 22:32:32 <LordAro> i don't think i missed anything... 22:38:52 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #7986: Change: Heading for 1.11 now https://git.io/JvnFt 22:41:19 <LordAro> right, remember your *needs backport* labels, people 22:41:28 <LordAro> let's try to avoid another 1.9.3 :) 22:42:34 <glx> 1.9.3 was because a backport IIRC :) 22:43:27 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7987: Update: Prepare for 1.10.0-RC1 https://git.io/JvnbW 22:44:23 <frosch123> we also need a bot to remind people to update ai/gs changelogs 22:45:02 <frosch123> the town-rating thing is missing 22:46:41 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on pull request #7898: Feature: Script API to change town rating of companies https://git.io/Jvnb0 22:46:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7987: Update: Prepare for 1.10.0-RC1 https://git.io/JvnbE 22:47:29 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7987: Update: Prepare for 1.10.0-RC1 https://git.io/Jvnbu 22:49:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on pull request #7987: Update: Prepare for 1.10.0-RC1 https://git.io/Jvnbz 22:49:22 <andythenorth> LordAro: but he's right no? 22:49:31 <andythenorth> plural data 'become' 22:49:44 <andythenorth> oof nitpicking behaviour is awful :) 22:50:08 <LordAro> urgh, i think you're right 22:50:13 <LordAro> but it reads really weirdly 22:50:34 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 22:50:41 <LordAro> can we rewrite it to not care about the pluralisation of data? :p 22:51:13 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 22:51:54 <andythenorth> or just not care 22:52:02 <andythenorth> quality matters, but eh 22:52:20 <LordAro> heh 23:18:26 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:18:56 *** Samu has quit IRC 23:20:05 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhbqc 23:23:20 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:23:31 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 23:31:05 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro updated pull request #7987: Update: Prepare for 1.10.0-RC1 https://git.io/Jvnbm 23:31:18 *** qwebirc26883 has joined #openttd 23:32:42 *** qwebirc26883 has quit IRC 23:35:35 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd