Log for #openttd on 28th February 2020:
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00:31:05  <glx> <FLHerne> I don't know /why/ anyone would insist on a three-year-old version of an open-source browser <-- maybe their favorite extension doesn't work on >38
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00:55:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] msikma commented on issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS
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02:47:41  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they got lulled in by the label "long term support"?
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07:30:45  <andythenorth> meh reddit JGRPP bingo failed again
07:31:02  <andythenorth> position #6 in the comments, has to be top 3 to win bingo
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08:27:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SoothedTau commented on issue #7644: Mysteriously poor performance on macOS
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12:10:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda updated pull request #7955: WIP Feature: NewGRF Road Stops (Feature 14)
12:14:35  <TrueBrain> wow, the inline comments from the commit checker are awesome ..
12:14:40  <TrueBrain> I need to hug glx when he gets online :)
12:15:21  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on pull request #7955: WIP Feature: NewGRF Road Stops (Feature 14)
12:18:34  <spnda> I was just about to comment on an issue because I just didn't find my issue....
12:18:46  <spnda> Guess what happened when I looked in the code? I saw the issue
12:19:05  <spnda> 12 days of no progress because I did [0] instead of [CT_DEFAULT]
12:19:09  <spnda> :((((
12:19:31  <TrueBrain> oefffff
12:32:52  <LordAro> TrueBrain: no, 0xfffff
12:36:41  <TrueBrain> that programmers humor :P
12:37:39  <FLHerne> Nah, you can write numbers in base e now :P
12:40:20  <SpComb> exadecimal, base 10^18
12:54:23  <Eddi|zuHause> fffff in base 10^18 is some incredibly huge number
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12:55:25  <Eddi|zuHause> (and that's even before settling on a standard on what digit "f" actually represents)
12:55:35  <Samu> hi
13:07:28  <SpComb> I like big numbers and I cannot lie
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14:46:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS
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15:40:57  <spnda> my grf has 15555 downloads now. nice num
16:05:53  <andythenorth> wow
16:05:55  <andythenorth> that's a lot
16:06:05  <andythenorth> mine have much fewer :(
16:09:09  <planetmaker> eGRVTS	1.0	557819 times wins. As usual ;)
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16:20:50  <andythenorth> Samu: apparently Greta is real BTW
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16:38:59  <TrueBrain> andythenorth : how did she smell?
16:39:36  <andythenorth> didn't get that close
16:39:40  <andythenorth> could be an android
16:39:46  <andythenorth> the crowd smelt..wet and cold
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17:10:27  <Samu> oh, setting flags is a bit misleading for me
17:18:18  <Samu> nielsm, i'm getting a weird behaviour with oil wells
17:18:23  <Samu> testing 7912
17:20:09  <Samu> I've set a flag to Oil Wells, INDCTL_NO_PRODUCTION_DECREASED and the next month it announces imminent closure:
17:20:24  <Samu> with a production of 117
17:21:40  <Samu> gonna experiment without setting any flag
17:26:41  <Samu> confirmed
17:26:58  <Samu> only happens with the flag set
17:27:12  <Samu> without flag, it doesn't announce imminent closure
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17:27:58  <Samu> at least, immediately
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17:58:49  <Samu> i can't seem to find a use for GetLastProductionYear
17:59:09  <Samu> raw industries just produce all the time
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18:08:55  <Samu> firs of course ruin the definition of raw industry, processing industry
18:09:22  <Samu> a Port isn't either, but it still produces cargo
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18:19:51  <TrueBrain> glx: the GitHub PR review annotation from commit-checker is epic :D
18:19:53  <TrueBrain> that is so much better :D
18:20:34  <glx> it doesn't work well when there are multiple commits
18:21:01  <TrueBrain> improvements are always possible
18:21:04  <TrueBrain> but this is very nice already :D
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18:23:01  <glx> but #7955 seems to be a very good test :)
18:23:11  <TrueBrain> it really was :P
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18:28:26  <spnda> glx: why is 7955 a good tets? because it's a big change?
18:28:53  <glx> no because there are many errors in the commit ;)
18:29:24  <spnda> Ah right. Already fixed them aswell. They're really good. Thanks
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18:57:53  <andythenorth> yo
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19:26:21  <Samu> hi
19:41:31  <frosch123> there is a newgrf named RTFM ?
19:44:26  <andythenorth> there is?
19:51:31  <spnda> ...... i accidentally stashed all my changes for nml roadstops when I was testing stuff for OpenTTD/nml#90... noooooooooo
19:52:07  <frosch123> why is that a problem?
19:52:35  <spnda> because I now have to reimplement all the properties again :((
19:52:45  <frosch123> "stash" is not "delete"
19:52:52  <spnda> is it not?
19:53:01  <frosch123> it's "store on the attic"
19:53:13  <frosch123> check "git stash list"
19:53:31  <frosch123> and "git stash pop"
19:56:46  <peter1138> ...
19:57:03  <peter1138> How long have you been stashing, thinking it was deleting?
19:58:01  <spnda> Idk. I doubt it was much anyway.
19:58:09  <_dp_> not the worst way to delete stuff tho xD
19:58:11  <peter1138> git stash list will show you...
19:59:54  <spnda> there's a stash in there from my pr #6666.... oof
20:05:12  <frosch123> nice, some bananas descriptions comment about ttdp compatibility
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20:12:08  <frosch123> TrueBrain: considering how many grfs have a description "deprecated, use xyz instead", maybe there could be a separate entry to link to newer/merged sets
20:13:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] andythenorth commented on issue #9: Update / add NRT sprites
20:13:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] andythenorth closed issue #9: Update / add NRT sprites
20:13:52  <spnda> Also,  renaming GRFs??
20:14:15  <frosch123> yes, that is already considered
20:15:04  <frosch123> the award for most deprecated sets goes to that australian guy
20:15:10  <frosch123> clear winner
20:15:24  <spnda> i have 0 deprecated sets
20:17:34  <frosch123> andythenorth: is there something misleading in the nml spec about grfids? i would think people notice themself that using 100 grfids for the same grf is weird
20:18:02  <andythenorth> are they oz stuff?
20:18:14  <andythenorth> oh yes you said that above
20:18:57  <frosch123> somehow he made a station grf, split it in to N partial grfs, and merged them back or something
20:19:32  <glx> nml doc redirects to standard grf doc on the grfid topic
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20:22:32  <frosch123> the award for "most tags" goes to V
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20:26:48  <andythenorth> can I take up that challenge?
20:28:30  <frosch123> i only found a single grf that is co-authored by you
20:28:47  <frosch123> coop uploaded a lot of nice grfs though
20:30:00  <spnda> Btw, is there a bananas api? (for uploading files, editing... from a POST request?)
20:30:12  <frosch123> ask again in 4 weeks
20:30:24  <spnda> so, no just now, but yes in 4 weeks?
20:30:41  <frosch123> currently there is musa, which allows uploading, but not editing
20:31:04  <glx> the service is being rewritten during its migration
20:31:36  <frosch123> spnda: the future is unknown, but there is hope
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20:42:22  <frosch123> andythenorth: RTFM apparently means Rapit Transit For Me
20:44:12  <frosch123> "Randomly generated obscene town names in Russian (18+)" <- just the grf i wanted
20:44:30  <andythenorth> wow
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20:46:35  <LordAro> :D
20:47:57  <peter1138> Mmm, that was a nice dinner.
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20:48:55  <andythenorth> I had curry
20:48:56  <andythenorth> it was rad
20:49:03  <LordAro> i should make dinner
20:49:18  <andythenorth> I should stop playing tanks
20:54:18  <peter1138> I had a curry too.
20:54:38  <peter1138> With a huge chunk of salmon...
20:55:58  <peter1138> I even Instagrammed it... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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21:01:59  <TrueBrain> frosch123: "TrueBrain: considering how many grfs have a description "deprecated, use xyz instead", maybe there could be a separate entry to link to newer/merged sets" <- what do you mean? You mean an entry in global.yaml or something? (your line is a bit vague, so I am trying to fill in some blanks :D)
21:02:24  <frosch123> you have a "deprecated" bool, but maybe it should be a string
21:03:04  <TrueBrain> would only be useful for frontend tbh; the client cannot process that information
21:03:21  <TrueBrain> but sure, I can make it: "deprecated-by", follow by "NewGRF:12345678"
21:03:44  <spnda> peter1138: Did you make all thoe dishes yourself?  they all look real good
21:03:47  <TrueBrain> there are also a few entries that are just deprecated. As in: no longer maintained. Not sure how to mark those
21:04:29  <frosch123> i just noticed that N authors came up with N ways to state that sets x and y were merged into z
21:04:47  <TrueBrain> yeah ... they are creative in that :D
21:04:53  <TrueBrain> but it sounds like a nice extension to the client too
21:04:57  <TrueBrain> to follow over grfids
21:05:49  <TrueBrain> deprecated-by or replaced-by ?
21:06:04  <frosch123> replaced-by
21:06:22  <TrueBrain> and when someone simply quit
21:06:28  <TrueBrain> unmaintained: true
21:06:33  <TrueBrain> inactive: true
21:06:36  <TrueBrain> deprecated?
21:06:41  <spnda> frosch123: "Randomly generated obscene town names in Russian (18+)" is that a real thing?
21:06:53  <frosch123> isn'T that the same as setting all versions to "savegame-only"?
21:07:01  <TrueBrain> yes
21:07:10  <TrueBrain> but might be nice if that is also in the global.yaml?
21:07:14  <TrueBrain> easier to show in frontend
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21:07:40  <frosch123> TrueBrain: "archived"?
21:07:54  <frosch123> archived: true
21:07:58  <TrueBrain> fine by me
21:10:27  <frosch123> aw, V lost his award... korean guys put all tags in english and korean, so they beat him
21:10:54  <TrueBrain> are the UTF-8 correct from what you can tell btw?
21:11:08  <frosch123> they look plausible
21:11:24  <TrueBrain> replaced-by: "Game Script:4C414754"
21:11:27  <TrueBrain> looks fine, right?
21:11:44  <frosch123> yes, unless you want / instead of :
21:11:54  <TrueBrain> dependencies use : too
21:12:04  <TrueBrain> musa already does
21:12:10  <frosch123> fine then :)
21:12:22  <frosch123> just thought they would match the path
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21:13:29  <TrueBrain> in that case I suggest we change the dependencies too, but the md5-partial is not in the filename
21:13:33  <TrueBrain> might be a nice addition?
21:13:38  <TrueBrain> DATE-MD5PARTIAL.yaml
21:15:52  <andythenorth> we need a grf tree :P
21:16:03  <andythenorth> like
21:19:36  <TrueBrain> having MD5 in filename of versions is ugly as fuck, so not going to do that :D
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21:33:38  <TrueBrain> so frosch123 , how do we want to do this .. are we just going to put this on GitHub, and make a forum post about it, or do we first finish the new BaNaNaS and ask for input when finished?
21:34:52  <frosch123> once you publish it, you have to close old bananas, or do you want to keep syncing it with new updates?
21:35:26  <TrueBrain> I can sync the GitHub for now, till we switch
21:35:54  <frosch123> but people will also start with prs for renames and typo fixes and authorship requests
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21:36:05  <TrueBrain> true; so we wait :)
21:38:47  <Samu> how do I post a PR to a PR?
21:38:56  <Samu> i have fixes for 7912
21:39:07  <Samu> but it's not my PR
21:41:35  <TrueBrain> frosch123: pushed new commits; the public version of this repo will be recreated and only have a single commit, as a FYI :)
21:41:40  <peter1138> Urgh.
21:41:44  <TrueBrain> my commit messages are now mostly for you to understand what I changed
21:44:15  <TrueBrain> and as a general message for all: we blacklisted a few more entries on BaNaNaS for various of reasons; some you can guess, others are obvious :) No kittens were hurt .. I think :P
21:44:40  <TrueBrain> we are up to 31, so we are doing great :)
21:45:23  <Samu> nielsm, you there?
21:48:08  <andythenorth> oof internet ads
21:48:14  <andythenorth> is it time to get adblock?
21:52:07  <TrueBrain> frosch123: for blacklisted entries I simply make the folder, in there a global.yaml with "blacklisted: true"
21:52:19  <TrueBrain> good enough?
21:53:14  <frosch123> probably fine, then it also works as "is this grfid used"
21:53:21  <TrueBrain> exactly
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21:54:08  <TrueBrain> pushed to private repo
21:56:49  <andythenorth> SLEEEP!
21:56:55  <spnda> zzzzz
21:57:00  <TrueBrain> why?
21:57:03  <TrueBrain> sounds overrated
22:00:11  <frosch123> hmm, i only know iso8601... but i know that various rfcs differ slightly. are the timestamps valid in some rfc? iso8601 would require a "T" between date and time
22:00:54  <TrueBrain> 2020-02-02T20:20:20 ?
22:01:02  <frosch123> (it doesn't matter, whatever is readable by python)
22:01:06  <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes
22:01:16  <TrueBrain>
22:01:19  <TrueBrain> lets use YAML dates :)
22:02:05  <frosch123> you can also use "Z" instead of "+00:00"
22:03:02  <TrueBrain> k, will fix. Filenames, they okay like this?
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22:05:39  <frosch123> no idea, i would read "*" and use the date inside the file. but maybe make them the same?
22:06:25  <frosch123> it'S also valid to skip the "-"
22:06:29  <frosch123> and ":"
22:06:51  <frosch123> ":" is probably bad in paths
22:06:58  <TrueBrain> yeah, that is why I removed them :)
22:07:23  <frosch123> "20200202T202020Z" is also valid iso8601
22:07:28  <TrueBrain> no clue if it is really UTC we export these dates in .. but pretty sure nobody is going to care
22:07:46  <frosch123> likely dutch time :)
22:07:54  <frosch123> but yeah, don't bother
22:07:56  <TrueBrain> I would think so too, yes :)
22:08:28  <frosch123> uploaders can only break it once per year
22:12:41  <TrueBrain> this migration script is now 374 lines long
22:12:45  <TrueBrain> we might have overdone it :P
22:13:25  <TrueBrain> and I now have to copy 10GB from one VM to the other ... it is so fucking slow ... but okay .. rsync ftw
22:19:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick requested changes for pull request #7912: Feature: Disallow industry production changes from GS
22:20:30  <frosch123> night
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22:24:30  <Samu> "SamuXarick requested changes " - that sounds fierce!
22:24:35  <Samu> lol
22:25:16  <Samu> who am I to request anything
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23:04:24  <andythenorth> is it sleep time?
23:05:50  <TrueBrain> yes
23:05:50  <TrueBrain> go
23:05:51  <TrueBrain> :P
23:16:01  <spnda> it is very sleepy time...
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23:53:30  <TrueBrain> and I keep fiddling with the migration, instead of writing the API ... clearly I really don't want to :P
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