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With alcohol and fire? 14:40:24 <supermop_Home> now I've ended up being basically on video calls all day instead of being able to get any work done 14:57:27 <andythenorth> you and all of the rest of the world 14:57:35 <andythenorth> people celebrated for 2 days how few meetings there would be 14:57:39 <andythenorth> so all the waste would be gone 14:57:45 <andythenorth> now we're all on the phone all day 15:04:07 <supermop_Home> they didn't let me wfh til yesterday 15:04:18 <supermop_Home> I think as they didn't trust us to keep working 15:04:25 <andythenorth> so lolz 15:04:35 <andythenorth> obviously people give less performance of working when at home 15:04:41 <andythenorth> does less work happen though? 15:04:54 <supermop_Home> and clearly they still don't as anything that used to be a quick check on slack is now a 10-30 min video call 15:05:08 <andythenorth> it's just easier to keep talking eh 15:05:20 <andythenorth> ambulance chasing is out in force 15:05:32 <andythenorth> I am being advertised "spy on your staff without them knowing" tools 15:06:19 <supermop_Home> also someone is connecting to this bluejeans call via remote desktop connection to their computer at the office.... 15:21:08 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 15:32:48 *** josef[m] has quit IRC 15:32:49 *** josef[m] has joined #openttd 15:50:52 <supermop_Home> as soon as I get off this call I think I'll go for a walk 16:05:47 <andythenorth> exercise is a thing 16:05:55 <andythenorth> no walking in Italy, Spain, France 16:24:45 *** Wormnest__ has joined #openttd 16:31:33 *** Wormnest_ has quit IRC 17:07:12 <andythenorth> Wolf01: ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-51943104/coronavirus-venice-canals-clearer-after-lockdown 17:19:12 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:21:08 *** syr has quit IRC 17:21:35 *** syr has joined #openttd 17:35:53 <Wolf01> Ok, work done for today 17:36:12 <Wolf01> andythenorth, yes, they are fantastic 17:38:21 <Wolf01> The problem is that the water traffic moves a lot of sediment, and the water is shallow in the city, it's not how they show you in movies where you can fit a submarine, if there is 1.5mt is already fine 17:55:26 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:56:56 <andythenorth> oof the Italy CFR is really horrible Wolf01 :( 17:57:00 <andythenorth> it's nearly 10% 17:57:49 <milek7> or infections are underestimated? 18:07:19 <SpComb> CFR is the number that only accounts for diagnosed cases 18:07:24 <SpComb> vs IFR 18:07:57 <andythenorth> yes 18:08:11 <andythenorth> it's absolutely contextual 18:10:21 *** Progman has quit IRC 18:12:22 <Wolf01> Infections are underestimated. 18:14:24 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:14:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:16:04 <Wolf01> Oh nice, 35k cases today, yesterday they were 28k 18:31:33 *** gelignite has quit IRC 18:32:13 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:45:49 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/Jv1qe 18:45:49 <DorpsGek_III_> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:47:57 * andythenorth hopes an antibody test becomes possible in mass supply 18:48:32 <andythenorth> I know a significant number of people who had the definitive covid symptoms from mid-Jan onwards 18:48:51 <andythenorth> but those symptoms also overlap with a few other common winter viruses that we don't usually bother much about 18:51:48 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: does it really matter? I get why it can be a bit obsessive to know if you have/had it or not, but .. does it really matter? 18:51:53 <andythenorth> yes 18:52:07 <andythenorth> it affects who can care for the vulnerable etc 18:52:16 <andythenorth> I know multiple doctors already self-isolating 18:52:25 <andythenorth> but it might be just for a cold 18:52:26 <TrueBrain> you said "mass supply" 18:52:30 <TrueBrain> that is not needed to be able to do that ;) 18:52:57 <andythenorth> semantics of 'mass' 18:53:02 <andythenorth> I don't mean the whole population 18:53:11 <andythenorth> but tens and tens of thousands 18:53:13 <TrueBrain> fair enough; it sounded like you wanted everyone to be able to test himself 18:53:26 <andythenorth> no that's probably not much value 18:53:45 <glx> there's no mass testing here, only people with symptoms are tested 18:53:48 <andythenorth> but healthcare, social care, teachers, pharmacists etc 18:53:58 <andythenorth> the antibody test is to find out who has already had it 18:54:22 <andythenorth> therefore, based on currently available evidence, is unlikely to get it again soon 18:54:27 <TrueBrain> glx: same here, and even than only people who have severe symptons 18:54:29 <andythenorth> therefore isn't transmitting it 18:54:42 <glx> and it's said most have it without symptoms at all 18:55:05 <andythenorth> this isn't about specifically covid 18:55:07 <glx> TrueBrain: yes those already in the hospital due to the severity 18:55:21 <andythenorth> it's about all the cancer patients, heart patients etc who will die as a side effect 18:55:24 <TrueBrain> yeah, exactly glx :) 18:55:30 <andythenorth> due to lack of care 18:55:46 <andythenorth> anyway, it's not yet a thing so eh :P 18:56:00 <TrueBrain> but I have to say, all this covid left,covid right, it is starting to get old that every conversation is about covid 18:56:08 <TrueBrain> and, maybe more annoying, everyone has become a doctor 18:56:09 <glx> so the ratio death/positive may seem high, but most positive are indeed not detected 18:56:55 <frosch123> TrueBrain: at most 50% of talk is abotu covid, the other 50% is about how to increase the vpn bandwidth or how to better utiliize it 18:56:57 <TrueBrain> today our gov had a long debate about the actions we are taking 18:57:15 <glx> you're not confined yet ? 18:57:19 <andythenorth> I have tried having covid free days, but tbh, it's a major societal change and we do kind of talk about that 18:57:23 <TrueBrain> frosch123: ugh, don't get me started on the last one ... running Teams with your whole company over a single VPN is .. not fun :P 18:57:27 <andythenorth> a year of quarantine is very long 18:57:43 <andythenorth> hmm social distancing, not quarantine, wrong word 18:57:49 <SpComb> I've noticed that rationing your news consumption is beneficial for your mental health :) 18:58:07 <TrueBrain> SpComb: ack 18:58:11 <andythenorth> the headline fonts generally got smaller 18:58:27 <frosch123> irc font is always same size 18:58:58 <TrueBrain> not if you use Riot client :P 18:59:01 <andythenorth> mine is monospace with formatting stripped 18:59:04 <andythenorth> old skool 18:59:10 <TrueBrain> # This looks bigger 18:59:55 <andythenorth> wonder how much of a scam this is? https://www.alphabiolabs.co.uk/workplace-testing-services/coronavirus-testing-kit/ 19:00:12 <SpComb> when I started I wasn't happy with how difficult our VPN setup was to manage, because it doesn't configure any default route, only specific addresses. Now I'm happy, no VPN issues at work so far :) 19:00:13 <TrueBrain> without opening the link, on a scale from 1 to 10? about a 20 19:00:26 <TrueBrain> SpComb: lucky you! 19:00:26 <andythenorth> £150 bargain price, 15 min result 19:00:40 <glx> only 15 minutes for the result ? 19:00:41 <TrueBrain> you have to wonder ... if it takes 2 days for official tests .... 19:00:55 <glx> 4-5 hours here 19:01:43 <SpComb> TrueBrain: having spent the time to setup AWS Global Accelerator etc and file tickets for each individual VIP address to route, yes, it was worth the time :) 19:01:57 <TrueBrain> nice :D 19:02:04 <glx> with PCR in dedicated labs 19:27:42 <Samu> got a crash in 1.10.0-RC1 19:27:59 <Samu> --------------------------- 19:27:59 <Samu> Error! 19:27:59 <Samu> --------------------------- 19:27:59 <Samu> Assertion failed at line 302 of d:\a\s\src\economy.cpp: old_owner != _local_company 19:27:59 <Samu> --------------------------- 19:28:01 <Samu> OK 19:28:01 <Samu> --------------------------- 19:29:19 <TrueBrain> thank you for that spam; I will file it with the rest ;) 19:32:07 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick opened issue #8037: Crash when Reloading AI in single player https://git.io/Jv1m2 19:34:10 <_dp_> Samu, wasn't that fixed recently? 19:34:45 <Samu> what was the other one, I forgot 19:34:59 <Samu> i think this is different, as it's in single player mode 19:35:13 <_dp_> try in master anyway 19:37:56 <supermop_Home> andythenorth someone got arrested at LAX trying to bring those in from the UK 19:38:20 <supermop_Home> customs at least believed them to be fake 19:39:32 <Samu> oww.. a visual studio update, this will take a while 19:39:35 <andythenorth> if I've read correctly it's a scam 19:40:01 <andythenorth> it relies on conflating 'Covid produces an IGG or IGM response' with 'IGG / IGM response means you have Covid' 19:46:18 *** spnda has joined #openttd 19:47:06 <Samu> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/economy.cpp#L302 19:47:08 <Samu> hah 19:47:12 <Samu> there is no other company 19:47:29 <Samu> at least momentaneously 19:47:37 <Samu> which is enough to trigger the assert 19:55:43 *** cHawk- has joined #openttd 19:58:34 *** Wormnest__ has quit IRC 20:01:48 *** cHawk has quit IRC 20:21:11 <Samu> interesting, a spectator slot in single player would solve the problem :p 20:29:38 <Samu> planning ahead for unprofitable routes with infrastructure maintenance costs isn't an easy task :( 20:29:43 <Samu> for airports 20:30:37 <Samu> at least I learned something 20:30:53 <Samu> helicopters are profitable and easy to do 20:31:07 <Samu> the other airports, not so quite 20:31:37 <Samu> totally didn't expect that 20:32:43 <Samu> it also looks like faster planes are preferred 20:33:19 <Samu> than a large one with big capacity that travels half-loaded most of the time 20:33:41 <Samu> *points at Darwin 300 20:33:46 *** Progman has joined #openttd 20:34:30 <_dp_> Samu just don't send it half-loaded :p 20:34:32 <Samu> or, maybe my income formula is fooling me 20:35:03 <_dp_> A21 and darwin are best moneymakers 20:35:05 <_dp_> for air 20:36:25 <Samu> my formula so far has always picked darwin 300, dinger 200, and if neither exists, it's the darwin 600, bakewell lb-8 20:36:33 <Samu> the typical largest capacity available 20:37:08 <Samu> but with infrastructure maintenance costs, it goes on to pick yate haugan, or dinger 1000 20:37:56 <Samu> it's just that planning ahead is a whole mess of a code 20:38:44 <Samu> i'm still planning routes that are already unprofitable to begin with 20:38:54 <_dp_> and why is infra maintanance affecting plane choice? 20:39:21 <Samu> i am including these costs in the formula 20:39:38 <_dp_> even if you consider small/large planes maintanance is too insignificant 20:41:31 <Samu> small maps, like 256x256, only helicopters seem to profit 20:42:05 <Samu> the ai is unable to terraform for a good large airport spot 20:42:29 *** Wormnest__ has joined #openttd 20:42:40 <_dp_> oh, that... mb, planes need some distance indeed 20:42:53 <_dp_> though would probably be much better running rvs or trains than helis 20:43:14 <Samu> it's still possible, if i happen to find good enough places 20:43:30 <Samu> but it's usually routes that cross a corner of a map to another 20:43:41 <Samu> and yet it's still not profitable enough 20:52:20 <Samu> local income_max_speed = (primary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(cargo, distance_max_speed * days / 1000, days) + secondary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(Utils.getCargoId(AICargo.CC_MAIL), distance_broken_speed * days / 1000, days) - running_cost * days / 365) * multiplier; 20:52:53 <Samu> oh, that's actually wrong 20:53:54 <Samu> good thing that I copy pasted.. horizontal coding made it go unnoticed until now 20:54:07 <Samu> distance_broken_speed isn't supposed to be here 21:07:32 <nielsm> that's a good argument for breaking long lines up and having more intermediate variables :) 21:07:35 *** spnda has quit IRC 21:12:01 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:14:53 <_dp_> that formula doesn't seem to take take off and landing into account 21:14:59 <_dp_> so basically worthless 21:17:56 <nielsm> that really makes a big difference for short distances especially, and also adds lots of downtime if one or more airpots are too busy 21:18:13 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:46:44 <Samu> trying to improve 21:47:07 <Samu> local income_max_speed = (primary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(cargo, distance_max_speed * days / 1000, days) + secondary_capacity * AICargo.GetCargoIncome(Utils.getCargoId(AICargo.CC_MAIL), distance_max_speed * days / 1000, days) - running_cost * days / 365 - 2 * infra_cost * 12 * days / 365 / max_count) * multiplier; 21:47:48 <Samu> this at least worked well for sampson u52 with high costs + infrastructure 21:47:55 <Samu> it deemed it unprofitable 21:48:08 <Samu> and it is 21:50:59 *** NGC3982_ has joined #openttd 21:51:23 <Samu> breakdowns are preventing cotswald lb-3 from being picked as profitable 21:51:35 <Samu> otherwise, it is profitable, let me just confirm 21:54:00 <Samu> arg... almost 21:54:41 *** NGC3982 has quit IRC 21:55:03 <Samu> [img]https://i.imgur.com/SVbBpWX.png[/img] 21:55:42 <Samu> it needed 10 21:55:51 <Samu> there was only money for 9 21:56:03 <Samu> also, more than 9 and airports would go overcapacity 21:56:15 <Samu> map too small perhaps, let me try a larger map 22:04:16 *** NGC3982_ has quit IRC 22:11:24 <andythenorth> now is a nice time to remember that modern money is simply invented by lending it https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy 22:16:21 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:19:26 <andythenorth> 'oops' https://railpictures.net/photo/729172/ 22:22:39 *** Samu has quit IRC 22:35:58 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 22:42:07 <Heiki> my favourite ‘oops’: http://vaunut.org/kuva/46938 22:46:59 <glx> oups 22:57:06 *** arikover has joined #openttd 22:57:21 *** tokai has joined #openttd 22:57:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 22:58:30 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 23:04:13 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 23:20:20 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:32:17 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:37:23 *** Wormnest__ has quit IRC