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*** dude[m]1 has joined #openttd 09:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i fell into a youtube black hole for the past 2 days, but i think i finally managed to climb out of it 09:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely sure what i learned 09:12:44 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46h7oP9eiBk 09:14:54 *** freu[m] has joined #openttd 09:15:38 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 09:16:57 *** ciet[m] has joined #openttd 09:18:42 *** patricia[m] has joined #openttd 09:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "this is 2 dwarf fortress players who try to understand wtf just happened in the game" 09:20:54 *** natmac[m] has joined #openttd 09:21:36 *** natalie[m] has joined #openttd 09:22:31 <andythenorth> just don't do it again 09:28:04 *** robert[m]1 has joined #openttd 09:34:36 *** grag[m] has joined #openttd 09:36:38 *** josef[m]1 has joined #openttd 09:49:40 *** natalie[m] has quit IRC 09:50:00 *** einar[m] has quit IRC 09:50:30 *** osvaldo[m] has quit IRC 10:05:54 *** yur3shmukcik[m] has joined #openttd 10:14:49 *** albert[m] has joined #openttd 10:24:48 *** amal[m] has joined #openttd 10:47:21 *** elliot[m] has joined #openttd 10:48:18 *** pina[m] has joined #openttd 10:56:10 *** dekeract[m] has joined #openttd 10:59:42 <andythenorth> @seen andythenorth 10:59:43 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <andythenorth> just don't do it again 11:05:13 *** y2kboy23 has quit IRC 11:05:25 *** y2kboy23 has joined #openttd 11:08:35 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 11:17:44 *** natalie[m] has joined #openttd 11:19:45 *** Samu has joined #openttd 11:21:46 <LordAro> @seen andythenorth 11:21:46 <DorpsGek> LordAro: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 22 minutes and 3 seconds ago: <andythenorth> @seen andythenorth 11:22:08 <andythenorth> I was trying to figure out our seen implementation I want one for work irc 11:22:17 <andythenorth> can't see it in dorpsgek source 11:22:49 <LordAro> DorpsGek != DorpsGek_III_ 11:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> just a regular supybot, right? 11:23:09 <LordAro> https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria/tree/master/plugins/Seen 11:23:37 <andythenorth> ta 11:25:06 *** arikover has joined #openttd 11:28:23 *** einar[m] has joined #openttd 11:31:03 <dwfreed> DorpsGek: version 11:31:04 <DorpsGek> dwfreed: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1. 11:31:26 <dwfreed> original SupyBot, rather than Limnoria; vintage 11:47:16 *** osvaldo[m] has joined #openttd 12:22:53 *** tokai has joined #openttd 12:22:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 12:29:53 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 12:44:25 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 12:44:38 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 13:20:49 *** Flygon has quit IRC 13:47:36 <arikover> andythenorth: In FIRS 4.0.0-alpha1, the Steeltown economy has no goods. Instead, houses are willing to accept Carbon Steel. 13:48:19 <andythenorth> yes 13:48:24 <arikover> Do people in TT-World Steeltown believe Carbon Steel has any use against COV-19? 13:48:27 <andythenorth> there are only two solutions 13:48:39 <andythenorth> 1. do a full house set inside FIRS 13:48:45 <andythenorth> 2. delete Steeltown 13:48:54 <andythenorth> 2 is much less work than 1 13:49:25 <arikover> indeed. 13:51:06 <arikover> This is not a problem, I'm guessing people are keen on having sturdy carbon steel shelves in their cellar. 13:51:31 <arikover> Wait. Are you planning to delete Steeltown as well? 13:52:37 <andythenorth> I'd rarther not 13:52:40 <andythenorth> rather * 13:52:44 <andythenorth> it's the only good thing in FIRS 13:53:57 <arikover> apart from the graphics, and the other economies you mean? ;) 13:54:14 <andythenorth> the other economies are 'fine' but not 'good' :D 13:54:37 <arikover> The graphics are good. 13:54:45 <andythenorth> yes 13:55:04 <arikover> So that makes another good thing in FIRS. 13:56:46 <arikover> Steeltown is a great economy. 14:00:54 <Samu> i can't make my ai to reliably profit with infrastructure maintenance costs :( 14:03:11 <arikover> andythenorth: 'In a hot country' is somewhat fun as well. Are you planning to remove it? 14:03:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so you want to call it "good" vs "great", instead of "fine" vs. "good"? 14:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a simple cultural difference 14:11:15 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:14:54 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 14:15:30 <andythenorth> IAHC is gone in v4, will return 14:15:45 <andythenorth> I like the concept 14:22:34 <Samu> i have a challenge for any AI maker 14:23:11 <Samu> make your AI profitable unbankrouptable with aircraft and infrastructure maintenance costs enabled, and costs set to high 14:23:40 <Samu> with breakdowns 14:23:42 <Samu> reduced 14:23:47 <Samu> airplane crashes reduced 14:23:54 <Samu> loan can be £500k 14:24:53 <Samu> inflation off, because inflation is just bad 14:26:28 <Samu> starting year 1950 14:27:23 <Samu> ending year 2050 14:29:38 <Samu> do you think anybody will attend this request? 14:29:45 <Samu> i'll try posting in the forum 14:36:29 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=86810 14:44:38 <Samu> there is no prize, so i dont think anyone will care :p 14:51:34 <_dp_> Samu, can't be bothered to write ai but that sounds super easy 14:51:49 <Samu> sounds super hard imo 14:52:15 <_dp_> map size and town size give the most trouble for airplanes 14:52:21 <_dp_> you don't seem to limit either 14:52:36 <_dp_> also no station size limit... 14:53:08 <_dp_> airplanes are second best moneymaker in these conditions 14:53:13 <Samu> only airports, and i hope ppl dont station spread 14:53:52 <_dp_> next to only good pax trains but those are quite hard to do quickly enough to beat planes 14:54:19 <Samu> map size, well... ideally a max of 512x512 14:54:28 <Samu> but i doubt it's possible at that size 14:54:33 <Samu> or i suck 14:55:35 <Samu> im currently testing mine on 1024x1024, it's really tough, it's bankrupting either early, or during the transition from small to large 14:57:04 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 14:58:01 <Samu> because i still insist on aircraft always running full load on my formula :( 14:58:25 <Samu> solving this at this current state, is just... almost impossible lool 14:58:32 <Samu> code would explode 14:58:45 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:03:01 <_dp_> hm, I guess 1950 start makes it a bit tricky as there are no decent planes yet 15:03:05 <_dp_> still shouldn't be that hard 15:04:08 <_dp_> also, you didn't mention aircraft speed divider 15:04:16 <_dp_> that has a lot of impact on income as well 15:05:38 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 15:07:26 <Samu> it's /4 15:07:37 <Samu> let me add some more rules then 15:16:11 <Samu> well, i rather just create the config file :o 15:16:14 <Samu> and upload it 15:27:03 <Samu> i posted 2 screenshots, maybe i'll just really post the config, just have to clean it 15:33:33 <Samu> posted config 15:33:47 <Samu> damn, the new chromium edge browser is blurry 15:33:55 <Samu> i almost regret using it 15:37:29 *** Wormnest__ has joined #openttd 15:41:16 <Samu> snap, i forgout about map size 15:45:31 <Samu> just fixed the blurry text 15:47:17 <Samu> didn't expect a program under microsoft umbrella just as edge to be blurry 15:47:43 <Samu> chromium-based edge 15:59:46 <nielsm> you also forgot the airplanespeed setting (or whatever it's called) 16:02:49 <Samu> use the default 16:06:58 <Samu> only 60 aircraft, my ai disappoints me 16:08:51 <Samu> damn weak ai... :( 16:15:03 <Samu> now it's not building heliports... i just fail at this 16:15:16 <Samu> the more i touch the code, the more it breaks 16:32:59 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:02:18 *** supermop_Home_ has joined #openttd 17:02:21 <supermop_Home_> hi 17:21:44 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:26:50 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:36:24 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:36:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:53:19 *** Progman has quit IRC 17:53:40 <Samu> on a 1024x1024 map, my AI was on a constant struggle, but it finally took off! 17:54:05 <Samu> i can't succeed on 512x512 :( 17:54:44 <Samu> i had to cheat my code 17:55:12 <Samu> i used to only add an aircraft if there was at least "aircraft capacity" waiting at the stations 17:55:29 <Samu> i changed it to 100 waiting at the stations, a magic number :& 17:56:03 <Samu> large capacity aircraft still cause headaches 17:59:03 <Samu> at this capacity level, i might as well pick other engines :( 18:00:39 <Samu> uh oh, bad news in the horizon, profits have stagnated and are starting to decrease :( 18:39:35 *** rotterdxm has joined #openttd 18:55:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:58:38 <supermop_Home_> hi andy 19:10:31 <andythenorth> yo 19:17:33 <Wolf01> o/ 19:17:56 <andythenorth> supermop_Home_: so life in NYC right not? 19:17:59 <andythenorth> now* 19:20:56 <Wolf01> People is getting tired of stay at home here 19:21:45 <Wolf01> And it's only the first week 19:23:00 <Wolf01> I'm a hikikomori, so I don't give a fuck, even better: I'm forced to stay at home 19:40:40 <andythenorth> introverts all over the world have been like 'is something happening, why are people in my space indoors?' 19:49:43 <andythenorth> hmm 19:49:49 <andythenorth> I must start playing the game this way https://docs.google.com/document/d/16iMFndnOhN5Ctt2C1mg2cELDiAPWe411eld2T5-XJVk/edit 19:50:05 <andythenorth> can we integrate an excel spreadsheet? 19:50:17 <andythenorth> ODBC or something is microsoft-office-in-other-applications? 20:01:36 <frosch123> OLE, not ODBC 20:01:49 <frosch123> both are 90's technologies like COM 20:02:37 <frosch123> today you would probably do webcontent 20:04:11 <glx> ODBC is the database connection 20:07:40 *** Progman has joined #openttd 20:11:04 <andythenorth> so can we actually do a spreadsheet in OpenTTD? o_O 20:12:17 <frosch123> at some point you can rather port ottd gui to qt or something 20:12:52 <frosch123> then you can also render html and md with actual fonts and stuff 20:13:41 <andythenorth> I like the idea that routing trains is so hard it needs a spreadsheet 20:14:25 <frosch123> certain people complained that ottd only supports 20 parameters in strings 20:14:53 <frosch123> gs cannot draw spreadsheets in the town gui with stats 20:14:56 <andythenorth> might be I found that bug 20:15:11 <andythenorth> what if we removed all orders, and made train routing a spreadsheet? 20:15:24 <andythenorth> we could use formulas and stuff 20:15:32 <andythenorth> and depend on other trains 20:15:42 <frosch123> can to skip the graphics and implements everything in vbscript? 20:15:58 <andythenorth> super 20:16:10 <frosch123> though i wanted to look more into pyspread 20:17:26 <andythenorth> hmm http://www.opentrack.ch/opentrack/opentrack_e/opentrack_e.html#Introduction 20:18:29 <andythenorth> http://bbcmicro.co.uk//jsbeeb/play.php?autoboot&disc=http://bbcmicro.co.uk//gameimg/discs/2811/Disc999-DepotmasterCardiff.ssd 20:19:46 <glx> bbcmicro emulator in browser ? 20:19:56 <andythenorth> apparently 20:19:58 <andythenorth> nice 20:26:12 <andythenorth> that's my evening gone then 20:28:05 <andythenorth> javascript BBC Micro https://bbc.godbolt.org/ 20:29:25 <supermop_Home_> i'm still going out for walks a couple times a day 20:29:35 <frosch123> godbolt stuff :) 20:29:38 <supermop_Home_> much fewer people out today vs yesterday 20:29:48 <andythenorth> I've forgotten all the BBC commands 20:29:57 <andythenorth> I love how it just says 'mistake' for any wrong command 20:31:09 <andythenorth> lol "CHAIN LOAD" did something 20:46:47 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:47:04 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 20:54:58 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:08:21 <peter1138> andythenorth, http://bbcmicro.co.uk/game.php?id=717 21:08:30 <andythenorth> o_O 21:08:48 <peter1138> I typed that one in from an Acorn User. Took weeks. 21:08:53 <andythenorth> those were the days 21:09:03 * andythenorth holds out for Chocks Away 21:09:22 <peter1138> Heh yes 21:09:28 <glx> I remember typing pages of DATA lines on CPC 21:09:54 <glx> basically it's entering asm without knowing it :) 21:10:11 <peter1138> Yes, this one was like that. It had assembly too, but also lots of actual data. 21:10:39 <peter1138> It had CRC routines built in to make sure it was all correct, but it was still a horrible painful experience trying to find the many typos! 21:10:55 <glx> yeah 21:11:06 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 21:11:14 <glx> at least it gave the line number 21:14:36 <peter1138> REPEATUNTILGET=32 21:14:40 <peter1138> Fun. 21:15:25 <glx> loop stoping at first space :) 21:15:32 <glx> I think 21:15:32 <peter1138> BBC Micro keyword tokenizer was quite... robust? No need for spaces, apparently. 21:16:01 <peter1138> Yeah, it's waiting for the space bar to be pressed. 21:29:16 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] RailwAI opened issue #8039: AIOrder.SetOrderFlags doesn't always work for ships https://git.io/Jv1xF 21:31:15 <Samu> https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 21:33:47 <Samu> hmm a new issue! 21:50:07 <andythenorth> bed! 21:50:08 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:02:33 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:27:25 *** einar[m] has quit IRC 22:27:25 *** elliot[m] has quit IRC 22:27:45 *** natalie[m] has quit IRC 22:27:50 *** amal[m] has quit IRC 22:28:15 *** dekeract[m] has quit IRC 22:32:41 *** einar[m] has joined #openttd 22:33:15 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick commented on issue #8039: AIOrder.SetOrderFlags doesn't always work for ships https://git.io/Jv1xF 22:34:44 <Samu> i'd like to make a pr but i got no time today 22:36:39 *** elliot[m] has joined #openttd 22:40:17 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:41:10 *** Tirili has quit IRC 22:41:19 *** Samu has quit IRC 22:43:03 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:50:05 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 22:50:08 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 22:57:30 *** natalie[m] has joined #openttd 23:06:26 *** amal[m] has joined #openttd 23:18:17 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:28:32 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:35:18 *** dekeract[m] has joined #openttd 23:39:36 *** Flygon_ has joined #openttd 23:44:08 *** Flygon has quit IRC