Log for #openttd on 27th April 2020:
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00:02:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 opened pull request #108: Codechange: [Actions] Upload standalone executable to GitHub release
00:25:34  <mcbanhas> Is it possible to make UI elements semi-transparent at this point?
00:25:56  <mcbanhas> I mean, does the engine support it?
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02:15:33  <FLHerne> Is there any case in which the value of a variable read by ActionD can change during one loading pass?
02:15:54  <FLHerne> Other than the grf directly writing to that variable
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02:17:56  <ahmet> hi
02:18:34  <FLHerne> ahmet: Good morning :-)
02:19:16  <FLHerne> [timezones may vary]
02:19:30  <ahmet> where are you from?
02:19:35  <FLHerne> UK
02:19:53  <FLHerne> It's 3am, I was about to sleep
02:20:09  <FLHerne> And you?
02:20:16  <ahmet> Turkey
02:20:19  <ahmet>  great to see who played this game!
02:21:14  <ahmet> This game is very enjoyable in quarantine days
02:24:04  <FLHerne> Yes, I've been playing more than I had been
02:25:48  <ahmet> The buttons in the game are very small. It hasn't changed for years. My fingers hurt after hours
02:26:05  <ahmet> but i never quit :)))
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02:26:28  <FLHerne> You can make them bigger somehow
02:27:24  <FLHerne>
02:27:45  <ahmet> wow
02:27:46  <FLHerne> There's a NewGRF "OpenGFX+ BigGUI" that makes them bigger
02:27:53  <ahmet> thank you!
02:28:21  <ahmet> I don't want to keep you from sleep.. :))
02:28:21  <FLHerne> Enabling it as a 'static' grf as shown on the wiki will mean it's active in multiplayer too
02:28:32  <FLHerne> Even if the server doesn't use it
02:29:13  <FLHerne> Yes, bedtime for me. Goodnight. :-)
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07:53:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth opened issue #109: Roadtypes and Tramtypes size is 63 not 15 or 64
07:53:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth commented on pull request #108: Codechange: [Actions] Upload standalone executable to GitHub release
08:22:03  <TrueBrain> morning
08:24:33  <LordAro> can confirm
08:27:39  <TrueBrain> happy you did
08:27:49  <TrueBrain> lets migrate BaNaNaS, I would say .. see how that goes ..
08:28:10  <TrueBrain> lot of moving parts .. lets see what the best order is ..
08:30:55  <orudge> I was just coming on here to see how things were going with that and the old VPSes :D
08:30:56  <Wolf01> I think the first thing should be "put everything readonly" :P
08:32:05  <TrueBrain> orudge: I think we just let them expire; for now I don't see a reason to create new ones :)
08:32:12  <TrueBrain> but today will tell ;)
08:32:17  <TrueBrain> otherwise I have 2 days to install new VPSes
08:32:30  <TrueBrain> honestly, only 40 dollar per year for 2, so .. not a real issue ofc, but meh :)
08:33:44  <orudge> Yeah
08:34:17  <orudge> Are the contents of the old VPSes (or one of them at least) backed up somehere just in case? :D
08:34:33  <TrueBrain> they are the backups :)
08:34:48  <TrueBrain> it is just an nginx with rsync access
08:34:56  <TrueBrain> and all the binaries we have
08:34:58  <orudge> OK
08:35:12  <TrueBrain> but I will logon to them today/tomorrow to make sure about that :D
08:35:34  <orudge> I also host an OpenTTD mirror or two of some sort, if I remember correctly
08:35:40  <TrueBrain> you do :)
08:35:45  <TrueBrain> US and UK I think
08:35:58  <TrueBrain> these two VPSes do CA and FR
08:36:19  <TrueBrain> but that traffic on all of them should disipate today :P
08:36:34  <orudge> Yes
08:36:37  <TrueBrain> it should already been reduced for a while now btw
08:36:52  <TrueBrain> not sure if you have graphs of these, but like last year or something it should be noticable lower
08:37:59  <orudge> Possibly, I haven't really been paying attention :D
08:38:06  <TrueBrain> okay, time to deploy everything on AWS already .. that requires some certificates to be made .. this is going to take a while :D
08:38:25  <TrueBrain> also not that important; just a bit of stats-nerding :D
08:38:45  <TrueBrain> your DNS admin panel is a bit weird sometimes btw .. it reset all the TTLs :P
08:40:38  <TrueBrain> k, changed the TTL to 60 for the domains I am about to move .. that should make the transition a bit smoother for most users
08:41:32  <orudge> TrueBrain: yes, probably, while performing a server transfer. It's not really designed for the purpose we're using it for. :) If it's easier to host the DNS on Amazon or soemthing then feel free.
08:41:51  <TrueBrain> over time, maybe :)
08:42:06  <TrueBrain> we already have an AWS zone for, but .. not all records are there yet
08:42:07  <TrueBrain> SO MANY RECORDS
08:42:08  <TrueBrain> :P
08:42:13  <TrueBrain> I am happy you are doing it still :)
08:56:41  <andythenorth> happy launch day TrueBrain !
08:56:49  * andythenorth going afk, that work thing I mentioned :P
08:56:53  <andythenorth> GL HF
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09:11:04  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain opened pull request #158: Create
09:11:16  <TrueBrain> possibly I have been blablaing a bit too much, but I would love input :)
09:18:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #158: Create
09:19:38  <Samu> hello
09:25:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro commented on pull request #158: Create
09:26:01  <LordAro> TrueBrain: reads fine, imo
09:26:51  <TrueBrain> cool, tnx :)
09:28:31  <milek7> 'ABSOLUTELY nothing.' vs 'should solve many of the issues with BaNaNaS, like proper UTF-8 support, being able to change the name of your content, being able to edit existing content'
09:28:34  <milek7> seems contradictory
09:33:19  <TrueBrain> yup :)
09:35:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #32: Cache one endpoint, and tweak text about downloads
09:35:56  <TrueBrain> I wonder if frosch123 is going to see this .. :D
09:36:32  <TrueBrain> I kinda need that cache to be in there before we go live :P We have too many NewGRFs :D
09:39:32  <TrueBrain> okay, everything deployed to AWS without issue .. I love CDK :)
09:44:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #158: Create
09:59:08  <TrueBrain> okay, NSIS installer still works on new infra, that makes me really happy to see :)
09:59:33  <Artea> hello
10:06:21  <TrueBrain> okay .. sometimes, when moving towards production, you can find these nasty bugs ... in nginx, you can only have 1 "stream{}" block .. that makes writing configurations a bit more difficult :P
10:12:08  <TrueBrain> right, that was an easy fix
10:12:24  <TrueBrain> k, lunch time, after that, I am going to put BaNaNaS v1 on read-only :)
10:12:45  <TrueBrain> LordAro: if you have some time, I would love to get merged before we go live :)
10:13:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] LordAro approved pull request #32: Cache one endpoint, and tweak text about downloads
10:14:52  <TrueBrain> ty kind!
10:14:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #32: Cache one endpoint, and tweak text about downloads
10:20:20  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i'd suggest that the more "pythonic" way of doing it would be via a function decorator
10:20:41  <LordAro> then you could just add @cache_api(60 * 5) to the top :)
10:31:22  <TrueBrain> Fully agree. Would be a lot cleaner
10:36:52  <TrueBrain> Possibly Flask has a decorator for it .. owh well, this works for sure for now :p
10:37:52  <LordAro> seems quite nice
10:45:41  <TrueBrain> I normally use that .. no clue why I didn't this time .. wanted to have it fixed I guess :p
10:45:58  <LordAro> :)
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10:48:44  <mcbanhas> Howdy
10:49:29  <mcbanhas> Is it possible to set transparency for UI elements? Does it the engine support it currently?
10:50:18  <LordAro> nope
10:52:33  <mcbanhas> So how is transparency currently handled in map objects? Are those dithered silhouettes or something similar?
10:52:58  <TrueBrain> alright .. lets put some things in read-only mode, and do this thing ..
10:54:29  <mcbanhas> Hmm, no it doesn't look like dithering.
10:57:16  <TrueBrain> oef ... am I really going to do this? These changes always make me nervous :D
11:11:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
11:13:48  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
11:14:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
11:14:15  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/binaries-redirect] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
11:14:18  <TrueBrain> RELEASE ALL THE THINGS
11:22:35  <TrueBrain> uploading with 500 mbit/s to AWS :D I love that speed :P
11:27:20  <TrueBrain> <- in case anyone wants to see our database :P
11:33:43  <TrueBrain> haha, it takes too long for bananas-server to read that repo, that is is being killed as "unresponsive"
11:33:44  <TrueBrain> :D
11:35:56  <TrueBrain> it takes 3 minutes to reload everything :D
11:35:57  <TrueBrain> lolz
11:36:06  <TrueBrain> this is going to be an issue, but not an issue for now :P
11:37:24  <TrueBrain> I need some testers .. add these to your host files:
11:37:35  <TrueBrain> can you test ingame, if everything works? Browsing, downloading, etc?
11:37:54  <TrueBrain> don't upload junk, it is production after all; but see if works for you, etc
11:38:01  <TrueBrain> just some more eyes on this before I change DNS for everyone :)
11:38:35  <TrueBrain> I will be back in like 2 hours or so, and would like to flip the switch by then :)
11:38:56  <TrueBrain> test older clients, test latest, etc etc
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12:32:11  <Yexo> TrueBrain: works fine, in-game content works fine, but and don´t work for me
12:32:45  <Yexo> Without changing host-file redirects to, and binaries redirects to an empty page from
12:44:32  <glx> they moved
12:45:13  <glx> binaries are now on
12:47:53  <LordAro> glx: the redirect should probably work though
12:48:39  <LordAro> not sure what the issue with content redirecting to bananas is though?
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12:54:06  <glx> ah yes redirect works, but only for some url
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13:30:33  <Samu> what is the equivalent of "sizeof(x)" in squirrel? I'm trying to copy a function from c++ to squirrel
13:31:20  <Samu> x is a uint32, if that matters
13:31:33  <LordAro> what do you think, Samu ?
13:36:27  <Samu> 4?
13:37:34  <_dp_> it's already a bat sign if you need sizeof of anything in squirrel...
13:37:48  <_dp_> *bad :)
13:38:48  <Samu> I'm copying ROR
13:38:52  <Samu> rotate right
13:39:12  <Samu> it has a sizeof(x) in it
13:41:30  <Samu> seems to be 4
13:41:45  <Samu> but what if it's not always 4? :(
13:42:09  <LordAro> then you've got bigger problems
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13:50:41  <FLHerne> mcbanhas: That's done using recolour sprites
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13:52:56  <FLHerne> mcbanhas: Basically, it remaps the colour palette of whatever's underneath it
13:53:46  <FLHerne> So it's easy to do one colour of "transparency", but you couldn't make complex multicoloured things transparent in a practical way
13:54:25  <FLHerne> (you'd need a different sprite for each colour in the overlay, AIUI)
13:55:41  <TrueBrain> Yexo_: tnx a bunch for testing, good that it works :D And yes, I stopped routing http for, because .. nobody should be using that
13:55:51  <TrueBrain> and should give a 404 page .. I guess I can redirect that to the frontpage :D
13:57:56  <FLHerne> You could have semi-transparent backgrounds with opaque text
13:58:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/binaries-redirect] TrueBrain opened pull request #3: Add: redirect / to the cdn too
13:58:10  <FLHerne> But personally I dislike transparency in UI anyway
13:58:41  <TrueBrain> okay, I guess that means it is time to flip the switch ... I am scared :P
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14:01:58  <TrueBrain> guess we should merge the news post about it first ..
14:02:05  <TrueBrain> WTB: an approval :D
14:06:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #157: Include final URL
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14:12:17  <Samu> my rotate right is always returning -1, I'm doing something wrong
14:21:44  <Samu> btw why am I getting negative numbers?
14:24:40  <glx> -1 is 0xFFFF so all bits are set
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14:34:14  <Samu> how do i make 0 - 1 = ‭4294967295‬ in squirrel?
14:35:22  <FLHerne> Samu: Squirrel doesn't have unsigned integers
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14:47:20  <Samu> I'm trying to implement the randomizer in squirrel, but i was hoping it to use unsigned integers, I think i managed it somehow
14:47:46  <Samu> this.state[0] = (s + ROR(t ^ 0x1234567F, 7) + 1) & 0xFFFFFFFF;
14:49:02  <LordAro> that's way too low level
14:49:14  <LordAro> just use rand()
14:49:46  <Samu> I need it to be randomizing equally on multiple instances of the same ai
14:50:04  <LordAro> do you really?
14:50:08  <Samu> so, not really random
14:50:43  <Samu> just behave randomlishy
14:51:04  <glx> but if all instance use the same random, it's no longer random
14:53:06  <glx> really just use AIBase.Rand()
14:53:09  <Samu> the AI "randomly" picks 2 locations and tries to connect them
14:53:37  <Samu> i want the 2nd instance of the same AI to also do the same, on the exact locations that the 1st instance tried
14:53:44  <LordAro> why?
14:53:52  <LordAro> that would just mean they're competing with each other
14:53:56  <Samu> going to compare pathfinding speed
14:54:13  <glx> use a scenario and fixed location then
14:54:27  <LordAro> consider the possibility that in a real game you might have 2 instances of your AI running at the same time
14:54:29  <glx> no need to implement a fake random
14:54:33  <LordAro> what you're trying to test here is 2 separate games
14:59:41  <milek7> srand(0); rand();
14:59:49  <milek7> i think squirrel stdlib does have rand?
15:00:04  <LordAro> yup
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15:05:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] giordy commented on issue #7611: Accident/disaster news not always showing
15:20:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on issue #7611: Accident/disaster news not always showing
15:26:46  <mcbanhas> FLHerne, I see. I do like a little transparency, sorta like how they did in OpenRCT2. It makes the GUI a bit more lightweight on some elements.
15:27:15  <mcbanhas> And it's always nice to let the player customize that.
15:29:16  <mcbanhas> You take elements like what's being suggested here, apply some transparency, and they become a lot less obstructive.
15:35:09  <rotterdxm> i am very much in favor of this
15:35:21  <rotterdxm> JGR has something like that already but it´s just yellow box w/ text
15:36:46  <mcbanhas> Yeah I think RCT2/Locomotion has a similar feature.
15:50:11  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne commented on issue #109: Roadtypes and Tramtypes size is 63 not 15 or 64
15:50:21  <FLHerne> peter1138: ^
16:01:50  <Samu> rand() does not exist
16:01:57  <Samu> the squirrel one
16:02:13  <LordAro> math.rand()
16:02:15  <LordAro> read the documentation
16:04:40  <nielsm> the word "math" does not occur in the squirrel 2 documentation
16:04:53  <LordAro> because it's in the stdlib, not the language
16:06:04  <Samu> the index "math" does not exist
16:06:27  <peter1138> Cos the word is maths ;D
16:07:28  <LordAro> src/3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdmath.cpp:static SQInteger math_rand(HSQUIRRELVM v)
16:07:31  <LordAro> well it's definitely there.
16:08:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] EgyLynx commented on issue #8083: Add currency Unit - Indian  Rupee
16:08:24  <peter1138> LordAro, shall I play games or ride bike?
16:08:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] PeterN commented on issue #109: Roadtypes and Tramtypes size is 63 not 15 or 64
16:08:48  <LordAro> peter1138: have you done your daily exercise yet today?
16:08:52  <LordAro> if not, then bike :p
16:08:58  <peter1138> I... went up the stairs a few times...
16:09:28  <LordAro> ah right, math.{s,}rand are guarded by EXPORT_DEFAULT_SQUIRREL_FUNCTIONS
16:09:29  <peter1138> Hmm, road or trail.
16:09:31  <LordAro> which is not defined.
16:09:43  <peter1138> Road, trail, or chair hehe
16:10:29  <LordAro> probably why AIBase.Rand exists
16:10:59  <TrueBrain> any chance any of you wants to review either (or both) / ? :)
16:12:00  <LordAro> TrueBrain: redirect - why not just make it a "if anything else, redirect to cdn root ?
16:12:15  <LordAro> s/ \?/" ?/
16:12:17  <TrueBrain> because I don't like those kind of wildcards; what good does it do?
16:12:28  <LordAro> fewer 404s
16:12:38  <TrueBrain> and people not realising they have the wrong URL
16:12:42  <LordAro> true
16:12:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/binaries-redirect] LordAro approved pull request #3: Add: redirect / to the cdn too
16:12:47  <TrueBrain> I rather deal with 404s, which I can monitor, and see if something odd is happening
16:12:58  <TrueBrain> I also don't like certificate wildcards btw :P
16:13:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/binaries-redirect] TrueBrain merged pull request #3: Add: redirect / to the cdn too
16:13:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro commented on pull request #158: Create
16:14:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #158: Create
16:14:39  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 commented on issue #109: Roadtypes and Tramtypes size is 63 not 15 or 64
16:14:50  <TrueBrain> I like the "commit suggestion" thingy :D
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16:19:01  <LordAro> TrueBrain: as long as you don't care about the commit history :p
16:19:09  <TrueBrain> squash ftw!
16:19:21  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro commented on pull request #158: Create
16:19:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #158: Create
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16:19:57  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro approved pull request #158: Create
16:20:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/binaries-redirect] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.1
16:20:20  <TrueBrain> tnx LordAro  :)
16:22:41  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #158: Create
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16:28:44  <TrueBrain> wb andythenorth
16:28:46  <TrueBrain> survived your day?
16:29:28  <andythenorth> survivable
16:30:42  <FLHerne> peter1138: Thanks. But if they're shared, why does the map store 6 bits each?
16:31:03  <peter1138> Becuase you can have both on a tile
16:31:16  <FLHerne> Oh, and there can be more than 32 of either one
16:31:50  <FLHerne> Other way - if the map stores them orthogonally, why is there a shared limit? :P
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16:32:10  <FLHerne> (besides "no-one wants 128 different categories of road vehicle")
16:32:34  <peter1138> Because they're both road types
16:32:48  <peter1138> Basically it makes lots of things much simpler
16:33:38  <FLHerne> Hm
16:34:07  <peter1138> There was originally a shed load of code to differentiate them
16:34:18  <FLHerne> Do roadtype and tramtype labels also share a namespace?
16:34:24  <peter1138> But it made loads of things way overcomplicated.
16:34:25  <peter1138> Yes.
16:34:43  <FLHerne> The NFO docs are wrong too, then :P
16:34:55  <glx> FLHerne: saw the code segment I linked ?
16:35:01  <peter1138> Wouldn't surprise me
16:35:13  <FLHerne> "Note that labels are not shared between features, so the same label can be used for multiple items. For example, the label "RAIL" can be used for a railtype, roadtype, tramtype, and cargotype simultaneously without conflict."
16:36:05  <peter1138> Fix it then :p
16:36:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #9: Fix: use a deterministic way to set a content-id
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16:36:31  <andythenorth> per the GH issue, the nfo docs are wrong OBIWAN
16:36:39  <TrueBrain> and hopefully the last patch before going live .. this patch allows me to scale the server up, which is going to be needed :D
16:36:57  <FLHerne> That makes it not a trivial NML fix, then :P
16:37:19  <andythenorth> hmm
16:37:26  <andythenorth> there's always another thing :)
16:37:36  <TrueBrain> LordAro: I would appreciate it if you could check my sanity, and that this is a valid way to make deterministic ids :D
16:39:10  <LordAro> perhaps?
16:39:27  <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: nml can probably use "RAIL" (in quotes) but not RAIL (without quotes) as label multiple times
16:40:00  <TrueBrain> LordAro: I meant in relation to my PR. But no, uuid doesnt solve anything. I need it to be deterministic, not random :)
16:40:04  <Eddi|zuHause> as without quotes it is also an Identifier, which cannot be reused
16:40:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] auge8472 commented on pull request #16: Format the elements in the page header
16:40:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] auge8472 closed pull request #16: Format the elements in the page header
16:41:48  <LordAro> TrueBrain: idk, i'd have to actually spend time working out what what it's doing :p
16:42:06  <TrueBrain> I understand .. I can talk you through it, if that helps
16:42:09  <TrueBrain> but I hope my comments would
16:42:23  <TrueBrain> nothing else code-wise is related btw; this is very much on its own
16:43:19  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i don't know the context, but if you want deterministic, you're looking at (cryptographic) hash functions
16:43:28  <TrueBrain> so .. check the PR :P
16:45:02  <TrueBrain> basically, I have 32bits. So I took the last 24bits from the md5sum, which currently has no collisions. But to be prepared, I added a counter, by sorting any collision based on their upload date
16:45:12  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: What's the distinction supposed to be?
16:45:19  <TrueBrain> so if you are the 4th collision, your number is (4 << 24) + md5sum[-3:]
16:45:22  <FLHerne> I thought that was just a syntax limitation
16:45:28  <TrueBrain> well, 3 << 24, but who is counting
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16:46:15  <TrueBrain> so if you know the md5sum, you can guess the content-id, which is fine, because we tell you the content-id when we tell you the md5sum :P
16:46:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think md5 counts as a cryptographic hash function anymore :p
16:46:39  <TrueBrain> it very much still is a crypto hash function .. it will never lose that state
16:46:42  <TrueBrain> it is not a safe one, sure
16:46:48  <TrueBrain> but RC4 is also still a crypto function :)
16:47:18  <milek7> you can't just take whole md5 as contentid?
16:47:21  <TrueBrain> I am not looking to be crypto-secure here; I am looking for a way to have deterministic content-ids over multiple runs :)
16:47:34  <TrueBrain> I hate repating myself, but "basically, I have 32bits."
16:47:37  <TrueBrain> I started with that ;)
16:47:53  <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: the easiest definition of "cryptographic hash function" is that small differences in input data lead to unpredictable changes in the output data
16:48:19  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: I meant between RAIL and "RAIL" ?
16:48:45  <FLHerne> I know about hash functions, fwiw ;-)
16:49:03  <Eddi|zuHause> "RAIL" is a 4-letter string, RAIL is an identifier, which in addition to being used for the "RAIL" label gets mapped to the position in the translation table
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16:50:02  <TrueBrain> okay, looking this over, this should be fine. content-id is stable, and without knowing the md5sum, unknown
16:50:05  <TrueBrain> perfect :)
16:50:30  <TrueBrain> md5 collisions are prevented by the API, so we should be good
16:51:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #9: Fix: use a deterministic way to set a content-id
16:51:43  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Where does that apply? In NML's roadtype table code, identifiers are converted to StringLiterals immediately
16:52:12  <FLHerne> There's no difference in how they're handled
16:52:13  <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: the RAIL identifier can be used in switches and properties, that take a table index
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16:55:33  <milek7> maybe take 32bit from md5, and xor with counter?
16:55:38  <milek7> iterating 24bit is doable
16:55:39  <FLHerne> Which is also true of `railtype("3RDR")` or so, no?
16:56:15  <FLHerne> I still don't see where there's any semantic difference
16:57:03  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: ^
16:57:11  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's basically a shortcut
16:57:17  <milek7> but then counter could collide.. so no
16:58:09  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: So why > nml can probably use "RAIL" (in quotes) but not RAIL (without quotes) as label multiple times  ?
16:58:17  <TrueBrain> milek7: honestly, I am more interesting if my current solution works, instead of seeing if there are other solutions ;) Pretty sure there are plenty, but if this works, it works :)
16:58:35  <FLHerne> Internally, they do exactly the same thing, unless I've missed something
16:59:30  <milek7> what happens when more than 2^8 24-bit-part collisions?
17:00:13  <TrueBrain> I buy everyone cake
17:00:34  <TrueBrain> some cosmic event has hit the rays at the exact right spot, and I should have bought a lottery ticket as I would be rich
17:01:09  <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: when you define a railtype translation table, and use RAIL, then it creates a RAIL identifier, which evaluates to the position in the RTT, if you then define a tramtype translation table, and try to use the RAIL label there, it tries to create another RAIL identifier, which it cannot, because it already exists
17:01:41  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Oh, I see
17:01:49  <Eddi|zuHause> and that second RAIL identifier could potentially require you to evaluate to a different position
17:02:06  <FLHerne> That's actually a completely different issue to the one we have :P
17:03:01  <FLHerne> Well, not quite, it makes it less bad
17:03:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #9: Fix: use a deterministic way to set a content-id
17:03:16  <TrueBrain> but okay milek7 , it now crashes if that happens. Just to let everyone know when I have to buy cake.
17:04:20  <FLHerne> NML *will* let you use "BLAH" for both roadtype and tramtype, despite those actually conflicting
17:04:51  <FLHerne> ...except it won't, because andy forgot to add the `roadtype()` and `tramtype()` builtins, so you can't use them :P
17:05:06  <FLHerne> So it has to be an identifier, and those conflict
17:05:16  <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably a faulty specification because of how it went back and forth between tramtypes being something completely different or being mashed into roadtypes
17:05:19  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Well planned
17:05:49  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Yes - all of the NFO docs, NML docs and NML implementation are wrong
17:07:59  <FLHerne> Hm, I think it can actually be used wrong atm
17:13:41  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I build a Python script to do the conversion :)
17:14:57  <andythenorth> FLHerne the existence of so many NRT grfs suggest it works despite the poor patch :(
17:14:59  <andythenorth> oof
17:15:12  * andythenorth will be back shortly, beer has run out
17:16:16  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] frosch123 approved pull request #9: Fix: use a deterministic way to set a content-id
17:16:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #9: Fix: use a deterministic way to set a content-id
17:17:01  <FLHerne> In global_constants: `railtype_table = {'RAIL': 0, 'ELRL': 1, 'MONO': 1, 'MGLV': 2}`
17:17:20  <frosch123> TrueBrain: did you publish that script?
17:17:26  <TrueBrain> see your PM
17:18:32  <frosch123> usually notifications work
17:18:35  <frosch123> not this time?
17:18:50  <TrueBrain> you are asking us about your own IRC client? :P
17:19:29  <frosch123> yeah, notification did not work...
17:19:44  <glx> FLHerne: I think the major issue is the distinction between roadtype an tramtype in nml while in nfo they are the same thing
17:20:46  <TrueBrain> frosch123: my suggestion with that script is that we make PRs out of these changes
17:20:50  <TrueBrain> not that we cannot self-approve
17:20:58  <TrueBrain> but just because it makes the risk on fucking up lower :P
17:21:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] sheepo99 commented on pull request #7786: Add: Help and manuals window
17:21:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.1
17:22:08  <TrueBrain> okay, after this is live, I will scale that server up with 1 .. and after that, time to change some DNS settings :D
17:22:39  <TrueBrain> just over 2 months of hard work leading up to this moment .. PAM PAM PAMMMMMMMMM
17:23:47  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain commented on issue #8: Content-id are not deterministic over runs
17:23:47  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain closed issue #8: Content-id are not deterministic over runs
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17:25:09  <Samu> new record!
17:25:20  <Samu> 174 ticks!
17:25:27  <frosch123> TrueBrain: you remove the openttd name. why not keep it?
17:25:29  <Samu> but requires 8091
17:25:33  <Samu> pr #8091
17:25:38  <TrueBrain> frosch123: is it useful to keep?
17:25:50  <TrueBrain> and because this was easier to script :D
17:26:40  <TrueBrain> I simply did not consider it useful, tbh .. keeping things for the keep .. meh. It is always in the git history, was my reasoning
17:26:45  <TrueBrain> but I am not married to either one :)
17:26:56  <frosch123> i guess one can grep r1
17:27:06  <Samu> unless im doing this wrong
17:27:10  <Samu> this is a new record
17:27:32  <frosch123> anyway, your push is missing a that branch option, that i can't remember, any always c&p from the git error message
17:27:48  <frosch123> but, i guess, that's get fixed on first usage :)
17:28:07  <TrueBrain> no, that was the intention :)
17:28:11  <TrueBrain> git throws an error
17:28:13  <TrueBrain> you copy/paste that
17:28:16  <TrueBrain> and it pushes it :P
17:28:21  <TrueBrain> I hate when scripts push shit for me
17:28:27  <TrueBrain> this was the cheapskate way of showing what to do :P
17:28:33  <frosch123> haha :)
17:28:39  <TrueBrain> I always depend on that error
17:28:41  <TrueBrain> I cannot remember it
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17:28:50  <TrueBrain> and because I copy the spaces in front of it, it also never hits my bash-history
17:29:37  <TrueBrain> okay, scaling up bananas-server .. I tested what I could
17:29:47  <TrueBrain> I have backups
17:29:54  <TrueBrain> what could possibly go wrong, right? :D
17:30:05  * Xaroth grabs a bag of popcorn
17:30:21  <TrueBrain> I liked you more when you weren't active on IRC
17:30:30  <Xaroth> Love you too.
17:30:32  <TrueBrain> <3
17:30:46  <Xaroth> And you would've done the same :P
17:30:52  <TrueBrain> yup :D
17:30:59  <TrueBrain> in fact, I am doing the same
17:31:02  <TrueBrain> as .. what else is there
17:31:09  <TrueBrain> DNS TTL is 60 seconds, so meh
17:32:36  <Wolf01> Hmm, I can't understand which one of the n-hundred piece of electronics is hissing in my room
17:33:01  <Wolf01> It seem to be... everywhere
17:33:44  <frosch123> maybe it's an insect
17:34:55  <TrueBrain> okay .. there goes the DNS ...
17:35:51  <Samu> ah rats, it was too good to be true after all, I was doing this bad
17:36:07  <Wolf01> It could be the phone charger, I know it does that, but not when I get near :E
17:36:21  <TrueBrain> lol .. and that moment you make a typo in the DNS entry
17:36:22  <TrueBrain> oops
17:36:33  <TrueBrain> happy with the 60 TTL :D
17:37:17  <TrueBrain> k .. ingame and should be switched now
17:37:32  <TrueBrain> binaries not yet; I will give it some time for people to stop using it, before we start to redirect it :)
17:37:41  <FLHerne> peter1138: Sorry, I'm confused again :-/
17:38:22  <FLHerne> "Do road and tramtype labels also share a namespace" -> <peter1138> Yes.
17:38:30  <TrueBrain> oops ... healthcheck killed the server .. hmm .. oops :D
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17:39:01  <frosch123> FLHerne: no, they do not. but you cannot define a roadtype and a tramtype with the same label
17:39:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.3.8
17:39:51  <FLHerne> But there are separate properties to set railtype and tramtype tables, and to test whether a label is defined
17:40:32  <frosch123> FLHerne: from the spec point, they are entirely separate. just peter considered it to complicated, and deleted the implementation that separated them
17:40:41  <frosch123> FLHerne: so, just assume they are separate
17:41:05  <FLHerne> So will Act7 condition 12 "Tramtype label is defined" evaluate as true if the corresponding roadtype label is set?
17:41:11  <frosch123> no
17:41:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7786: Add: Help and manuals window
17:41:33  <FLHerne> frosch123: "but you cannot define a roadtype and a tramtype with the same label" ok, so what happens if you do?
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17:41:46  <frosch123> the grf probably gets disabled
17:41:55  <frosch123> no idea
17:41:58  <frosch123> just guessing
17:42:19  <TrueBrain> oops, container is out of memory .. let me fix that quick :)
17:42:20  <glx> tramtype and roadtype are merged in openttd anyway
17:42:49  <nielsm>  <-- can anyone translate?
17:42:49  <frosch123> glx: that is a shitty implementation detail
17:42:59  <FLHerne> glx: But clearly they aren't actually fully merged, because arbitrary bits of the NFO spec treat them separately
17:44:30  <frosch123> FLHerne: again, assume everything treats them separately
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17:45:34  <FLHerne> frosch123: Except they aren't, because of the shared set of labels and ID count...
17:45:40  <Samu> 183 ticks, it's still 1 tick less than the previous record
17:45:57  <frosch123> FLHerne: in case you didn't notice. i quit ottd dev because of the shittiness of the nrt implementation
17:46:14  <FLHerne> I think I missed that
17:46:24  <frosch123> FLHerne: so, implement nml according to the intention of the spec. not according to whatever hacks the implementation does
17:46:38  <FLHerne> Anyway, it exists, so nmlc shouldn't let you define broken grfs
17:46:53  <frosch123> no, you are reinforcing bugs, never do that
17:47:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm leaning towards frosch123's opinion. the spec wins. if openttd doesn't implement the specs, it needs to be fixed
17:47:56  <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't help that the half-assed specs were written by the same people that attempted the implementation
17:48:20  <FLHerne> Ok
17:48:34  <FLHerne> So...just bump the limit to 64 of either
17:48:41  <glx> I can see 2 mapping tables of 64 elements anyway
17:48:42  <frosch123> 63 :)
17:49:10  <glx> yeah 63
17:49:32  <FLHerne> And when someone makes a grf with 64 of both, and OTTD rejects it, tell them the spec says that and OTTD is broken
17:49:48  <frosch123> TrueBrain: what magic is that "read more" thing :o
17:50:02  <TrueBrain> we wrote that in for montlhy posts
17:50:27  <FLHerne> frosch123: Should that also apply to railtypes?
17:50:36  <frosch123> lol, i din't notice, i guess i read the news from the vcs
17:50:44  <FLHerne> It looks like currently NML allows a range of 0..63
17:50:48  <glx> railtypes is an old feature
17:50:51  <FLHerne> Which is 64
17:50:57  <frosch123> FLHerne: no, 64 railtypes
17:51:14  <FLHerne> So why do roadtypes specifically have one less?
17:51:14  <frosch123> roadtypes have one less to indicate "no road"/"no tram" in the maparray
17:51:24  <FLHerne> Oh, right
17:51:31  <FLHerne> So is that 0, or 63?
17:51:31  <frosch123> this case does not exist for railtypes, since there are no rail tiles without rail
17:51:52  <TrueBrain> hmm .. pods are still running the memory limit
17:51:53  <TrueBrain> lol
17:51:54  <frosch123> FLHerne: grf ids start at 0, ottd concatenates all newgrf ids into a global range
17:51:55  <TrueBrain> that was rather unexpected tbh
17:51:57  <FLHerne> Oh, doesn't matter, OTTD does it
17:52:05  <Eddi|zuHause> well, there's non-track-station-tiles, that actually are a giant hack and do have a track anyway :p
17:53:21  <frosch123> aw, all my old bookmarks with the /en/ are broken :p
17:54:31  <TrueBrain> haha, you never wrote redirects for those?
17:54:34  <TrueBrain> tssk :)
17:55:08  <frosch123> most endpoints do not match
17:55:31  <frosch123> i think i tried to match /manager/tos, in case it was linked somewhere
17:56:15  <TrueBrain> okay, I see why the pods run out of memory .. they fetch the whole file from S3 .. I was hoping it was streaming it a bit more
17:56:20  <TrueBrain> so when ever someone downloads a huge file, it crashes :P
17:57:56  <TrueBrain> anyway, all DNS entries are changed .. so we will see if we forgot anything :D
18:00:48  <frosch123> ow... i just noticed how silly "only for savegames" is for scenarios/heightmaps...
18:01:00  <TrueBrain> yeah, sorry, my mistake
18:01:05  <TrueBrain> you had "Not Available"
18:01:12  <TrueBrain> which annoyed me
18:01:23  <TrueBrain> so I replaced it with "Ingame only" and "only for savegames"
18:01:30  <TrueBrain> but didn't consider scenarions / heightmaps :D
18:01:32  <frosch123> well, "savegames-only" and "new-games" is as pointless :)
18:01:36  <TrueBrain> fair
18:01:40  <andythenorth> what did I miss
18:01:46  <TrueBrain> the world exploded
18:01:47  <TrueBrain> but it is okay
18:01:48  <Xaroth> everything
18:01:55  <frosch123> andythenorth: we switched universe
18:01:55  * andythenorth was away-from-brain
18:02:05  <andythenorth> is NRT de-merged then?
18:02:25  <TrueBrain> okay, bananas-server is now up to 512 MB RAM (reservation-wise)
18:02:26  <frosch123> we have a better bananas, but unfortunetely there is a global pandemy instead
18:02:28  <TrueBrain> that seems to be more stable
18:02:39  <frosch123> we are lucky are noone remembers the other universe
18:03:13  <andythenorth> there's a new bananas? :o
18:03:16  <andythenorth> is the UI better?
18:03:33  <frosch123> it got older and wider
18:03:42  <andythenorth> widererer
18:04:45  <Xaroth> weirder ?
18:04:59  <andythenorth> what does reddit think of it?
18:05:08  <TrueBrain> no crashes for 5 minutes, this is getting somewhere :)
18:05:48  <andythenorth> table top OpenTTD
18:06:17  <frosch123> can the ships reach the other side?
18:06:51  <frosch123> hmm, or is that wetrail?
18:07:32  <frosch123> nah, only looked like that when zoomed out :p
18:07:58  <andythenorth> needs a ship tunnel
18:09:05  <TrueBrain> ~0.5 mbit/s of traffic I pulled towards AWS
18:09:07  <TrueBrain> seems fine
18:09:15  <TrueBrain> how do I check that the ingame content download uses the HTTP?
18:09:17  <TrueBrain> any easy way?
18:09:22  <frosch123> anyway, i am still unsure about tb's newspost... "make a ticket in the correct repository, and we will look into it." <- is that trolling?
18:10:27  <TrueBrain> you think people are not competent enough? :)
18:10:38  <TrueBrain> (and yes, that post is full of trolls :P)
18:11:09  <TrueBrain> we might want to point to a specific repo for bugs surrounding BaNaNaS, tbh :)
18:11:16  <TrueBrain> and let us move it to the correct repo
18:12:15  <frosch123> maybe -d net=7 shows something
18:13:12  <milek7> it prints error if http failed
18:13:25  <TrueBrain> dbg: [net] [tcp/http] downloading 35522 bytes
18:13:29  <TrueBrain> if that comment is not a lie ..
18:13:46  <frosch123> i looked into the source first :)
18:13:51  <frosch123> looks like it works  :)
18:14:03  <TrueBrain> funny, OpenTTD now connects to 3 different IPs to get content :)
18:14:12  <TrueBrain> I am happy AWS just assigns them :P
18:14:32  <TrueBrain> k, redeploying main website, to reduce its memory reservation :D
18:17:36  <frosch123> hmm, we have no dorpsgek.yml in bananas
18:18:19  <TrueBrain> no, I was not sure we would want that
18:18:22  <TrueBrain> feel free to make a PR :)
18:18:32  <frosch123>
18:18:33  <TrueBrain> we have no favicon in frontend-web, it seems
18:18:42  <frosch123> andy added one
18:18:48  <frosch123> is it broken?
18:18:55  <TrueBrain> I get 404s on it
18:18:57  <frosch123> it works for me
18:19:06  <frosch123> i am on ipv4, if that matters
18:19:12  <TrueBrain> GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 -
18:19:29  <TrueBrain> IPv4, IPv6, it all ends up in the same container :)
18:19:35  <frosch123> TrueBrain: clear your cash
18:19:42  <TrueBrain> I am reading logs :)
18:19:43  <frosch123> the url is /static/favicon.ico
18:19:50  <TrueBrain> ah, yeah, that never works
18:20:02  <TrueBrain> when people hit the 404
18:20:06  <TrueBrain> it tries /favicon.ico
18:20:07  <TrueBrain> :)
18:20:18  <TrueBrain> I am not sure I like my own commit message btw frosch123  :)
18:20:38  <TrueBrain> well, approved anyway :)
18:20:41  <frosch123> sounds like something for the wishlish, when we have nginx in front of it
18:21:30  <TrueBrain> yeah, we should still do something with all that
18:21:34  <frosch123> how long does it take to take effect?
18:21:54  <TrueBrain> your PR? How ever long the GitHub Action takes
18:21:57  <frosch123> does it reload everything, so 2 minutes block?
18:22:23  <TrueBrain> yes
18:22:26  <TrueBrain> and a backtrace :)
18:22:32  <frosch123> :)
18:22:47  <TrueBrain> so this is weird .. it does a  'git fetch' and a checkout of HEAD
18:22:51  <TrueBrain> and it says: cannot find ref
18:22:51  <TrueBrain> ..
18:22:53  <TrueBrain> righhttt
18:23:44  <TrueBrain> looking at the amount of 404s, a redirect from /en/newgrf to /newgrf would be a good idea
18:23:47  <TrueBrain> owh well :D
18:24:06  <LordAro> why not /en/* to /* ?
18:24:32  <TrueBrain> go for it
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18:25:14  <TrueBrain> takes 3 minutes to fetch an update from GitHub, according to this pod
18:25:15  <TrueBrain> wth
18:25:21  <TrueBrain> the initial fetch slow, sure
18:25:26  <TrueBrain> but every after .. should not be that slow
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18:26:18  <TrueBrain> owh, no, this was a new pod that was created because it took too long
18:26:19  <TrueBrain> lolz
18:26:29  <TrueBrain> the reload mecanism is .. not really okay :P
18:26:54  <frosch123> haha, is there a limit of the number of pods?
18:27:05  <TrueBrain> how do you mean?
18:27:34  <frosch123> when a new pod starts because the previous one took too long to start
18:28:06  <TrueBrain> no, starting is working fine now (just takes 3+ minutes)
18:28:16  <TrueBrain> the reload took such a long time, the pod was killed before it could finish
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18:29:43  <FLHerne> frosch123: If we're being really pedantic about the spec, it says there can be 64 roadtypes :P
18:30:07  <FLHerne> So should we *be* that pedantic, or go with 63?
18:30:30  <frosch123> FLHerne: sadly ttdp no longer exists. we always made a majority decision between ottd, ttdp and specs :)
18:30:41  <frosch123> FLHerne: 63
18:31:40  <andythenorth> where is the spec now? o_O
18:31:56  <frosch123> is it gone?
18:32:05  <andythenorth> I only know of one spec, and it's marked as outdated
18:32:09  <andythenorth> :P
18:32:12  <TrueBrain> WARNING socket.send() raised exception. <- tnx for spamming, socket
18:32:39  <FLHerne> andythenorth:
18:32:51  <andythenorth> yes there's that one, but it appears to be wrong
18:33:36  <andythenorth> it's nice though that we label the 'spec' the thing that was retrospectively constructed from 'what have we built here'
18:34:02  <andythenorth> maybe we should have RFC bureaucracy and comittees? :)
18:34:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] sheepo99 commented on pull request #7786: Add: Help and manuals window
18:36:06  <frosch123> andythenorth: i changed 6 numbers in the spec, can you find more palces?
18:37:11  <andythenorth> frosch123 yes, I'll change them, thanks
18:37:39  <andythenorth> searching '64' won't work though :|
18:37:52  <frosch123> TrueBrain: <- next test case is ready, when needed
18:38:23  <TrueBrain> give me a few to clean up some errors, and to see if I can figure out why reloads fail :)
18:38:28  <peter1138> Oh well.
18:38:40  <peter1138> I see I fucked everything up.
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18:39:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne opened pull request #110: Fix: Correct limit of available road/tramtypes.
18:39:59  <FLHerne> ^ does that sum it up?
18:40:09  <spnda> Uh, I just got a email about I can also review it. Is this some permission error?
18:40:48  <andythenorth> frosch123 can't find any more
18:41:16  <frosch123> spnda: you can review it, but it should not matter
18:41:20  <andythenorth> 'I fucked everything up' is my default position
18:41:23  <andythenorth> come back peter :P
18:41:34  <andythenorth> it's software, of course it's fucked up :)
18:41:51  <spnda> frosch123: Well, this is what the email says: You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:
18:41:53  <frosch123> spnda: i think you can review all prs on all repos, you just cannot merge
18:42:23  <frosch123> spnda: i guess it's the same text for everyone
18:42:46  <frosch123> spnda: but please, try to press merge :)
18:43:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth commented on pull request #110: Fix: Correct limit of available road/tramtypes.
18:43:19  <spnda> It needs an approving review first, should I just try it out?
18:43:33  <frosch123> sure
18:43:34  <andythenorth> oh that's the PR not the ticket sorry :P
18:43:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth commented on issue #109: Roadtypes and Tramtypes size is 63 not 15 or 64
18:44:24  <spnda> oh yeah, the review doesn't count as an approving review.
18:44:38  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth commented on pull request #110: Fix: Correct limit of available road/tramtypes.
18:45:45  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne commented on pull request #110: Fix: Correct limit of available road/tramtypes.
18:46:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] frosch123 approved pull request #110: Fix: Correct limit of available road/tramtypes.
18:47:37  <andythenorth> nielsm FWIW I enjoy this
18:47:44  <andythenorth> it's bizarrely retro
18:49:49  <nielsm> I definitely did make that layout thinking of 90's game menus
18:50:22  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth merged pull request #110: Fix: Correct limit of available road/tramtypes.
18:51:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth commented on issue #109: Roadtypes and Tramtypes size is 63 not 15 or 64
18:51:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth closed issue #109: Roadtypes and Tramtypes size is 63 not 15 or 64
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18:51:15  <FLHerne> andythenorth: I think we should have waited for peter's opinion there
18:51:20  <TrueBrain> okay, the reload fails because git decides to do a gc action, and gitpython doesn't understand that ..
18:51:33  * _dp_ wish someone would actually think of 20's UI design instead
18:51:58  <andythenorth> FLHerne he already said they're shared though? :)
18:52:06  <andythenorth> _dp_ 1920s?
18:52:47  <nielsm> more steampunk
18:53:07  <_dp_> andythenorth, 2120s :p
18:53:07  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Yes, but currently we're ignoring that
18:53:33  <andythenorth> _dp_
18:53:50  <FLHerne> i.e. nml will now let you produce grfs that OTTD won't load, until someone fixes one or the other
18:54:09  <andythenorth> What is 20's style UI design anyway?  We're waiting for the flat fad to disappear.
18:54:34  <andythenorth> Most UI design is currently low density, not sure OpenTTD works with that
18:54:53  <frosch123> FLHerne: that applies to many things
18:55:07  <TrueBrain> I see that milek7  found a bug :P
18:55:08  <nielsm> I'd like the UI to be somewhat more defined on high res displays, eventually
18:55:08  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm not entirely sure any of the words you use have any meaning behind them
18:55:28  <nielsm> e.g. scale the single-pixel borders into two and four pixel borders
18:55:32  <TrueBrain> people can spam the API with new uploads :P
18:55:35  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause I may just be a cat
18:55:44  <TrueBrain> milek7: stop doing that ;)
18:55:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne commented on pull request #110: Fix: Correct limit of available road/tramtypes.
18:55:48  <milek7> :(
18:55:54  <milek7> i'm trying to get that cake :D
18:55:59  <andythenorth> TrueBrain I don't like to release too often, it wrecks my download counts
18:56:10  <andythenorth> I'll never win if I keep shipping, the way to win is to not maintain grfs
18:56:11  <TrueBrain> milek7: pretty sure I have you banned before you get that cake
18:56:29  <Eddi|zuHause> the cake is a lie.
18:56:34  <andythenorth> OMG WHERE ARE THE DOWNLOAD COUNTS?
18:56:37  <andythenorth> who made this UI?
18:56:47  <andythenorth> also we've got overflow issues :D
18:56:48  <LordAro> /kick andythenorth
18:56:51  <Eddi|zuHause> do we have up and downvotes yet?
18:57:49  <TrueBrain> milek7: I really do not want to know why you spend time in creating predefined md5sums, but okay :P
18:58:05  <TrueBrain> of course if people want to abuse a system, they can ;) Lucky, we have other policies in place .. like IP bans :P
18:58:46  <milek7> well, if it would crash service, this is rather important issue
18:59:10  <TrueBrain> so .. you want to proof a point? And instead of being constructive, you decided the destructive route?
19:01:02  <milek7> isn't that what staging is for?
19:01:14  <spnda> what is this new user migration for bananas
19:02:16  <spnda> how do I access all my old GRFs huh
19:02:37  <frosch123> spnda: there is a big link on the front page
19:02:54  <andythenorth> There is!
19:02:56  <andythenorth> I am reading it
19:03:00  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain opened pull request #53: Fix: work around an issue with GitPython being confused if the GC kicks in
19:03:02  <andythenorth> the page, not just the link
19:03:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #10: Fix some issues found in production
19:03:08  * andythenorth reads the link text over and over again
19:03:19  <TrueBrain> milek7: I rather have you help me find solutions :)
19:03:28  <TrueBrain> but I appreciate your academic mindset ;)
19:03:37  <andythenorth> frosch123 (now may not be the time) any ideas for the terrifying coop account? :D
19:03:42  <andythenorth> I used it to upload all my grfs
19:03:57  <andythenorth> I guess about 20 people have the creds unchanged for 10 years
19:04:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] frosch123 approved pull request #53: Fix: work around an issue with GitPython being confused if the GC kicks in
19:04:03  <spnda> well, i saw that i need to post something on the forums that i want my account to be migrated. i'm sure there's a better way to do this though
19:04:18  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i assume terminate on second fail is intentional?
19:04:28  <TrueBrain> frosch123: yes; it should only happen once, basically
19:04:32  <spnda> "we will change your content over to your GitHub account". What does that mean anyway?
19:04:46  <spnda> Is it just an internal thing or do you create new repositories or something
19:04:58  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: we need to add "Teams" :)
19:05:05  <andythenorth> GH Teams !
19:05:07  <frosch123> spnda: we are removing openttd's account system
19:05:29  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: funny enough, that is not a bad idea!
19:05:32  <spnda> hmm okay
19:05:38  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: not difficult to implement, so yeah ...
19:05:56  <TrueBrain> spnda: after you understand what is going on, and you have suggestions to improve that text so others understand it quicker, please do let us know!
19:06:32  <frosch123> andythenorth: do you want to keep the coop account, or make it all yours?
19:06:34  <spnda> Ok nice, will do
19:07:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #53: Fix: work around an issue with GitPython being confused if the GC kicks in
19:07:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain updated pull request #53: Fix: work around an issue with GitPython being confused if the GC kicks in
19:07:09  <spnda> In your example forums post you said "Link to thread: <copy here the URL of your thread>", which thread do you mean. Just any thread that I created for my own GRF?
19:07:16  <andythenorth> so table overflow....ellipsis truncate links, or replace absolute urls with some text?
19:07:37  <andythenorth> also did anyone volunteer to write a UI framework yet? :P
19:07:40  <TrueBrain> spnda: it is refering to
19:07:41  <TrueBrain> Is the URL of any of your content linking to
19:07:41  <TrueBrain> Are you the topic starter of this thread?
19:07:44  <TrueBrain> that thread
19:07:58  <spnda> Ah okay
19:08:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] frosch123 approved pull request #53: Fix: work around an issue with GitPython being confused if the GC kicks in
19:08:08  <TrueBrain> again, any rewording, very much welcome :)
19:09:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain opened issue #54: Support teams
19:09:52  <TrueBrain> frosch123: still not really sure why reload failed .. but lets start with these fixes, and see where that brings us
19:10:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] frosch123 commented on issue #54: Support teams
19:10:10  <spnda> So, I would just send for example "Forum Thread:, GitHub: "", right?
19:10:24  <TrueBrain> sounds about right
19:10:31  <TrueBrain> and we are new to this too, so explore with us what works :)
19:10:44  <spnda> Why not have a form on the new bananas page that automates this?
19:11:52  <andythenorth> spnda that starts from 'why is everything not finished yet?' premise :)
19:11:59  <andythenorth> why is not world peace?
19:12:08  <spnda> ok sorry
19:12:21  <andythenorth> nah, it's a valid suggestion
19:12:24  <TrueBrain> spnda: we considered it; given less than 200 people will use it, it was considered this being the least amount of work overall for everyone; still on the fence about it :)
19:12:42  <TrueBrain> we can make a Google Form, I guess :P
19:12:43  <LordAro> and setting up a system to send emails is quite tricky
19:13:00  <TrueBrain> not the worst idea tbh .. just some external tool to ask you a few questions
19:13:05  <spnda> yeah google forms could make it a bit easier aswell
19:13:07  <TrueBrain> did not consider it :)
19:13:15  <TrueBrain> feel up to setting that up? :D :)
19:13:33  <spnda> Uhm, I wouldn't mind
19:13:33  <TrueBrain> (personally a bit busy fixing these darn production bugs :P)
19:14:03  <TrueBrain> and hoping people review my PRs :P
19:14:10  <TrueBrain> I hate needing approval of others :P
19:15:51  <Eddi|zuHause> imagine seeking approval from others, and never getting it...
19:16:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i think they wrote books about that :p
19:16:59  <TrueBrain> :D
19:17:12  <TrueBrain> dickhead :P (sorry, you deserved that :D It was a good joke :D)
19:17:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain merged pull request #53: Fix: work around an issue with GitPython being confused if the GC kicks in
19:17:49  <TrueBrain> 1 PR down, 1 to go :)
19:18:32  <frosch123> oh, that one got lost in the spam
19:18:46  <TrueBrain> I can imagine that happening
19:18:51  <TrueBrain> my mailbox has 400+ emails of the last week
19:19:01  <TrueBrain> (GitHub related)
19:19:14  <frosch123> i mean irc spam
19:19:17  <spnda> TrueBrain: Would you say an application that asks for the OpenTTD account e-mail and a GitHub profile url should suffice?
19:19:21  <frosch123> mailbox is compeltely hopeless
19:19:50  <TrueBrain> spnda: no; those questions we asked are with a reason :)
19:20:05  <TrueBrain> we need some way to proof you are you on GitHub too
19:20:11  <TrueBrain> and knowing someones email .. is not one of those ways
19:20:25  <TrueBrain> that is why we suggest a PM from tt-forums
19:20:47  <TrueBrain> as when you created a thread about some content, and that thread is in the content, and you are the topic starter .. it is VERY likely you are who you say you are
19:20:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] frosch123 approved pull request #10: Fix some issues found in production
19:20:58  <TrueBrain> the same, sending an email from that address to us, shows you own that email address
19:21:01  <frosch123> all of them are copies from the api, right?
19:21:03  <TrueBrain> just knowing it, not enough
19:21:12  <spnda> yes, that is very true
19:21:12  <TrueBrain> frosch123: yes
19:21:17  <TrueBrain> I am very good at copy/paste :)
19:21:40  <TrueBrain> FUCK
19:21:40  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #10: Fix some issues found in production
19:21:44  <TrueBrain> I fucked that up :P
19:21:46  <TrueBrain> misclicked :D
19:21:50  <TrueBrain> now we have a weird commit :P
19:22:07  <TrueBrain> owh well, we will have to live with it
19:22:15  <TrueBrain> pretty sure andythenorth  won't approve of it when ever he makes the changelog :P
19:22:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.1
19:23:27  <frosch123> ah, that's what hell looks like... you have to write all the changelogs that you postponed in your life
19:23:40  <TrueBrain> :D
19:23:43  <TrueBrain> that .. would be horrible
19:24:08  <spnda> just noticed that this sentence makes no sense "I would like to migrate the author of my BaNaNaS content to GitHub."
19:24:16  <Eddi|zuHause> i think that's the intention of hell... to be horrible :p
19:24:29  <TrueBrain> spnda: to me it does :D But I am pretty sure from an outside perspective it is weird :P
19:24:33  <TrueBrain> every BaNaNaS content has an author
19:24:37  <TrueBrain> all authors are now linked to OpenTTD accounts
19:24:45  <TrueBrain> and the question is: change this into a GitHub account
19:24:50  <TrueBrain> again, better wording, pleaaasseee :D
19:24:52  <spnda> Maybe rephrase it like "I would like to migrate my BaNaNaS content to GitHub."
19:25:01  <TrueBrain> the content is not being migrated
19:25:06  <TrueBrain> (well, we already did, sort of :P)
19:25:15  <TrueBrain> it is only the "who has access to make changes"
19:25:29  <spnda> Ok, then "I would like to migrate my BaNaNaS account to GitHub"
19:25:39  <TrueBrain> sounds good
19:26:11  <TrueBrain> as I am sure you have more of those changes to make it more clear, could I ask you to fork the repo and make a PR out of it? is the file in question
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19:26:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.2
19:27:08  <TrueBrain> seems sentry doesn't eally like my version numbering .. it thinks 1.0.0 is older than 0.0.0-53-<hash>
19:28:32  <spnda> Oh nice you've got a repository for it
19:28:55  <TrueBrain> everything is now publicly available, source-wise, and auto-deployable :)
19:28:58  <TrueBrain> so go nuts :P
19:29:12  <TrueBrain> (we might have spend a bit too much time on a system used by ~200 people more than once :P)
19:29:16  <spnda> Also sent you a account migration pm on tt-forums
19:29:17  <TrueBrain> I am still depressed by that fact frosch123  :D
19:29:37  <frosch123> TrueBrain: luckily you did not notice before it was done :)
19:29:40  <milek7> how to use that server locally?
19:29:45  <TrueBrain> clearly those emails no longer arrive in my mailbox .. I got 5 PMs :P
19:29:46  <milek7> 2020-04-27 21:22:03 ERROR    Server returned invalid status code 400. Authentication failed. Error: {'message': "audience is not one of the following: dict_keys(['developer'])"}
19:29:47  <frosch123> TrueBrain: anyway, think of the download users :)
19:30:43  <Eddi|zuHause> how is that an invalid status code?
19:31:29  <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: invalid status, code 400
19:32:00  <TrueBrain> I see even andythenorth  send me a PM on the forums ... seems office365 doesn't accept mails from tt-forums .. something for orudge  possibly? :)
19:32:56  <TrueBrain> milek7: not sure what you mean, your information is a bit fragmented
19:33:09  <TrueBrain> it seems you have the API running, as a local dev, which is good
19:33:21  <TrueBrain> after that .. I guess you connect with your own tool?
19:33:25  <TrueBrain> or a modified ape
19:33:30  <TrueBrain> which handshakes via GitHub normally
19:33:34  <TrueBrain> but in a dev-API, that is not enabled
19:33:46  <TrueBrain> not sure if there is code for the bananas-frontend-cli to work around that
19:33:52  <milek7> so unmodified frontend-cli won't work?
19:33:52  <TrueBrain> I only tested it against the staging API
19:34:04  <TrueBrain> not sure it has code for the development flow; honestly, I do not know
19:34:16  <frosch123> TrueBrain: ok, i have access to my content again :)
19:34:35  <frosch123> meanwhile we have 2 testcases for next round
19:34:41  <TrueBrain> good
19:34:42  <Samu> new record! 178 ticks, this time for real
19:34:59  <TrueBrain> milek7: you can enable GitHub authentication for the API; you just need to create a GitHub OAuth App for that
19:35:23  <TrueBrain> or write the code for the CLI to work with development flow. We welcome any PR, ofc :)
19:36:38  <frosch123> hmm, i think it would have been smarted if we had asked for the bananas content site, instead for the forum topic
19:36:50  <TrueBrain> change it! :)
19:36:59  <TrueBrain> now we have to CTRL+F indeed :)
19:38:41  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I don't get it
19:38:45  <TrueBrain> the api works fine, also for reloading now
19:38:48  <TrueBrain> the server .. not so much
19:38:53  <TrueBrain> it is also a lot slower to start up
19:38:57  <TrueBrain> with the same repository checked out
19:40:08  <TrueBrain> owh, one is over SSH, the other over HTTPS
19:40:19  <TrueBrain> the SSH is so much slower, it seems
19:40:28  <TrueBrain> euh, faster
19:41:04  <TrueBrain> could it be IPv6 or something .. hmm
19:41:54  <TrueBrain> no, has no AAAA record
19:44:00  <andythenorth> what eh, did I do something wrong in a former life?
19:44:06  <andythenorth> is that why I have to write the changelogs?
19:44:13  <andythenorth> TBF LordAro does the hardest one
19:45:38  <Samu> 177 ticks now :)
19:46:08  <TrueBrain> ssh vs http are equal in speed .. so .. what is going on .. I think GitPython is just retarded ..
19:46:43  <TrueBrain> guess ... I am just going to use "os.system"
19:47:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] frosch123 opened pull request #33: Change: Slightly change migration message template, to make it easier…
19:48:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain approved pull request #33: Change: Slightly change migration message template, to make it easier…
19:48:07  <frosch123> TrueBrain: funny, libsubversion and pyperforce are also meh
19:48:29  <TrueBrain> I cannot find what the difference is between API and Server for this speed difference
19:49:21  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] frosch123 merged pull request #33: Change: Slightly change migration message template, to make it easier…
19:51:32  <TrueBrain> hmmm .. 30k log messages in a few seconds
19:51:35  <TrueBrain> that sounds bad :P
19:55:09  <_dp_> what's up with the version order on ?
19:55:21  <_dp_> first 1.9.3 then jgrpp... 1.10.1 last :(
19:56:03  <frosch123> i can put 1.10.1 on top
19:56:16  <frosch123> but it will still sort alphabetic, not numeric :)
19:56:42  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought natural sorting was a solved issue?
19:57:09  <Eddi|zuHause> as in, there should be a library method to do that?
19:57:15  <frosch123> yes, but smart-assery isn't
19:57:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sorry, but that is my raison-d'être
20:01:09  <orudge> [20:32:23] <TrueBrain> I see even andythenorth  send me a PM on the forums ... seems office365 doesn't accept mails from tt-forums .. something for orudge  possibly? :) <-- hmm, that might explain why I've not had any e-mails from TT-Forums lately, only just noticed :D
20:01:23  <andythenorth> what are emails? :P
20:02:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i've totally lost track of what weekday it is
20:03:17  <TrueBrain> orudge: my lack of emails dates back to march 2019 :P
20:03:39  <orudge> TrueBrain: I only moved my personal e-mails to O365 about a month ago :)
20:04:21  <TrueBrain> ah :D
20:04:46  <orudge> "The IP address you submitted was successfully delisted. This may take up to 30 minutes to take effect."
20:04:49  <orudge> so, we'll see
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20:13:52  <TrueBrain> tnx orudge  :)
20:14:01  <TrueBrain> okay, found the bug that is causing a lot of logs to be generated
20:16:37  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #11: Fix: stop sending data if the other end closed the connection
20:16:51  <TrueBrain> okay, now to find why GitHub is so slow for one, and not for the other ..
20:20:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 updated pull request #108: Codechange: [Actions] Upload standalone executable to GitHub release
20:21:48  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] frosch123 approved pull request #11: Fix: stop sending data if the other end closed the connection
20:21:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #11: Fix: stop sending data if the other end closed the connection
20:22:29  <TrueBrain> except for the HTTPS vs SSH, I don't see why they differ so much in timing ..
20:23:37  <TrueBrain> switch them both to SSH, and see if that solves the issue, I guess?
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20:24:07  <TrueBrain> it is very consistent in its timing at least
20:24:32  <TrueBrain> 4 seconds vs 110 seconds .. lol
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20:30:54  <Eddi|zuHause> of all the weird things steam dose, the thing i find worst is the "community" page...
20:30:54  <frosch123> ah, windows users :)
20:31:17  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #12: Add: also allow git to be checked out over SSH
20:31:21  <Eddi|zuHause> if i go to the start page, it shows me random screenshots of games i don't have, don't play, and am not interested in
20:31:25  <TrueBrain> frosch123: hopefully the last one of the night; this is mostly a copy from the API
20:31:39  <frosch123> people started putting their newgrfs onto github. someone pushed nml and 7z binaries with it
20:31:54  <Eddi|zuHause> and also fan-translations into german of random games that i also don't have and i'm not interested in
20:32:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] frosch123 approved pull request #12: Add: also allow git to be checked out over SSH
20:32:43  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i didn't dare make a tag for the frontend :)
20:32:54  <TrueBrain> why not?
20:33:13  <frosch123> to not disrupt stuff
20:33:18  <TrueBrain> owh, no worries
20:33:19  <TrueBrain> go for it
20:33:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #12: Add: also allow git to be checked out over SSH
20:34:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] frosch123 created new tag: 1.0.1
20:35:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.3
20:35:41  <TrueBrain> release all the things!
20:35:56  <TrueBrain> okay, the logs of the last 30 minutes are empty; that is a good sign at least
20:36:03  <TrueBrain> and nobody yelled that anything is burning
20:36:12  <TrueBrain> I am very curious about our AWS bill tomorrow
20:36:14  <TrueBrain> but that will be fine
20:37:05  <frosch123> did you reply to the forum pm after merge?
20:37:08  <orudge> TrueBrain: AWS is sponsored at the moment, right? At least, I haven't paid any bills lately...
20:37:20  <TrueBrain> we have free credits, yes :)
20:37:29  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I did not, sorry
20:37:32  <TrueBrain> would you mind?
20:37:33  <frosch123> wasn't it a single-time lump sum?
20:37:43  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i will, when we have all 3
20:37:47  <frosch123> copy&paste :)
20:37:51  <TrueBrain> sure
20:37:59  <TrueBrain> after this deployment, I hope merges work :)
20:40:47  <TrueBrain> at least over 5000 downloads already over the new network
20:40:52  <TrueBrain> in .. 2 hours?
20:41:06  <TrueBrain> because we use CloudFront, stats are a bit delayed .. takes a while for all regions to report in
20:41:22  <frosch123> that sounds like a lot
20:41:27  <TrueBrain> the load balancer has almost nothing to do, which is funny
20:41:30  <frosch123> but it is prime time
20:41:37  <TrueBrain> yeah .. and I see a lot of files downloaded exactly the same amount
20:41:41  <TrueBrain> I still find that fishy
20:41:52  <TrueBrain> but I now have better logs, so I can do some statistics on it :)
20:43:27  <frosch123> where does run these days?
20:43:46  <frosch123> i thought it was the last thing on the old box
20:44:23  <orudge> the wiki is still on the old box too, I assume
20:44:30  <TrueBrain> frosch123: it is
20:44:40  <TrueBrain> wiki is not on the old old old box
20:44:42  <TrueBrain> if that makes sense :P
20:44:56  <frosch123> then i don't get it. i wanted to update the "latest version" to "1.10.1", but it did not work
20:45:03  <frosch123> i killed it, but it still runs the old thing
20:45:10  <frosch123> it doesn't even die :p
20:45:14  <orudge> How many old boxes do we have? :D
20:45:22  <TrueBrain> do you really want a count?
20:45:37  <TrueBrain> frosch123: what did you kill?
20:45:50  <TrueBrain> I see openttd_live still running since this morning
20:45:51  <frosch123> orudge: it's a Matryoshka
20:46:13  <frosch123> TrueBrain: svc -d django_live
20:46:28  <TrueBrain> I never learnt how svc worked
20:46:51  <TrueBrain> I mostly do: ps aux | grep openttd_live
20:46:57  <TrueBrain> and I kill .. what-ever process feels most sensible
20:47:05  <TrueBrain> the "python ./manage" ones always come to mind
20:48:44  <TrueBrain> oops, I made a boo-boo ... configuration is not being accepted ..
20:48:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] spnda opened pull request #34: Some reformulations
20:50:00  <frosch123> spnda: sorry, i changed one sentence an hour ago
20:50:03  <frosch123> you need to rebase
20:50:13  <spnda> yeah just noticed noo
20:51:28  <TrueBrain> that moment the system tells you you screwed up, but you cannot find why
20:52:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] spnda updated pull request #34: Some reformulations
20:52:48  <Samu> arf, the idea of caching the path so far for every node, is becoming a bad idea the more I think of it
20:53:03  <frosch123> haha, now i killed too much
20:53:04  <Samu> it requires too much memory
20:53:35  <spnda> TrueBrain: Any documentation on the bananas api yeT?
20:53:47  <TrueBrain> see the news post :)
20:53:49  <frosch123> spnda: read the news post, it's all there
20:54:00  <TrueBrain> any questions, let me know!
20:54:11  <Samu> granted, I'm testing absurd distances, who in their right mind do a 500~ tiles away ship route
20:55:33  <TrueBrain> I do not understand what I did wrong ..
20:55:37  <TrueBrain> locally it works
20:55:45  <TrueBrain> on the cluster, it dies a horrible death
20:56:12  <glx> always hard to debug
20:56:27  <glx> when you can't reproduce locally
20:56:27  <frosch123> _dp_: 1.10.1 is now on top, but it will be forgotten again next release :)
20:57:26  <TrueBrain> especially as a near-identical copy is running fine
20:57:37  <TrueBrain> and I hate just trying again, assuming it magically fixed itself or what-ever
20:58:24  <glx> and it just fails without telling anything I assume
20:58:28  <TrueBrain> nevertheless, that is what I am going to do ..
20:58:39  <TrueBrain> it tells me it cannot do "git fetch", but I have no clue why not
21:00:02  <TrueBrain> nope, it really fails
21:00:04  <TrueBrain> ugh .. what am I missing
21:00:27  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] frosch123 commented on pull request #34: Some reformulations
21:01:07  <frosch123> TrueBrain: api or server?
21:01:21  <TrueBrain> server
21:04:39  <TrueBrain> it seems something to do with my CDK (AWS deployment
21:04:42  <TrueBrain> but I cannot see what ..
21:08:28  <glx> ssh fails ?
21:08:34  <TrueBrain> I am guessing it does
21:08:51  <TrueBrain> but the exact same code works for the API
21:08:53  <glx> as that's the most recent change
21:10:10  <TrueBrain> it is also the change I am pushing, where I change the GitHub URL from HTTP to SSH
21:10:26  <TrueBrain> when I use the same setup, the same variables etc, it does work here fine
21:11:14  <TrueBrain> owh shit
21:11:15  <TrueBrain> I remember
21:11:16  <TrueBrain> fuck me
21:11:20  <glx> the key ?
21:11:23  <TrueBrain> no
21:11:26  <TrueBrain> this took waaayyyy too long
21:12:59  <TrueBrain> that moment you fixed an issue before
21:13:01  <TrueBrain> but forgot
21:13:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #13: Fix: add to the known_host
21:13:28  <glx> oups
21:13:39  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] spnda updated pull request #34: Some reformulations
21:14:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] glx22 approved pull request #13: Fix: add to the known_host
21:14:46  <TrueBrain> hmm ../bin/sh: 1: ssh-keyscan: not found
21:14:47  <TrueBrain> oops
21:15:18  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #13: Fix: add to the known_host
21:15:18  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #13: Fix: add to the known_host
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21:15:24  <TrueBrain> I think I am done with the day :P Starting to slip up more and more :P
21:15:24  <glx> it looked good :)
21:15:31  <TrueBrain> yeah ... and I failed at copy/pasting
21:15:43  <TrueBrain> that was the second reason it didn't work .. no ssh client :D
21:16:32  <TrueBrain> okay, this was just really really silly :P
21:16:34  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] spnda updated pull request #34: Some reformulations
21:16:34  <TrueBrain> well, it builds now :)
21:16:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] glx22 approved pull request #13: Fix: add to the known_host
21:17:18  <glx> yeah ssh client helps a lot to use ssh :)
21:17:21  <spnda> Sorry about that commit, accidentally put the changes into frosch's commit
21:17:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #13: Fix: add to the known_host
21:17:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.4
21:17:52  <TrueBrain> okay .... a new attempt ...
21:18:18  <TrueBrain> tnx a lot spnda
21:19:02  <TrueBrain> lately I have been so focused on writing proper Dutch, that clearly my English is slipping even more .. who am I kidding, I never wrote good grammar :P
21:19:42  <spnda> Me neither, asked my mum for some help as she's an english teacher
21:19:49  <TrueBrain> CHEATER
21:19:50  <TrueBrain> :P
21:21:07  <TrueBrain> frosch123: that indeed works a lot better, the bananas link
21:21:53  <TrueBrain> orudge: mail works again, sweet :)
21:23:24  <frosch123> next test-case :)
21:23:30  <frosch123> and yes, a lot easier
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21:24:19  <TrueBrain> I am pretty happy with the setup .. every new deployment of the server, it first starts a new one
21:24:23  <TrueBrain> it updates the NLB with the new one
21:24:24  <orudge> TrueBrain: I've actually moved mail sending for tt-forums to mailgun, though I have asked that the server IP be unblocked anyway
21:24:30  <TrueBrain> if deprecates the old one .. it updates the NLB with it
21:24:38  <TrueBrain> it waits 30 seconds for people to be done
21:25:00  <TrueBrain> orudge: nevertheless: \o/ :D
21:25:23  <TrueBrain> okay .. lets roll out: use-ssh, again ..
21:26:38  <TrueBrain> anyway, mostly what I was rambling about: despite the server being upgraded, nobody should have any notice of this happening .. at least, that is what should happen. No clue if that is true ofc :D
21:28:02  <frosch123> still no angry mob on the forums... why do you force us to register to github?
21:29:05  <andythenorth> there is time yet :)
21:29:19  <orudge> You could have used TT-Forums authentication ;) (At least, TT-Forums now acts as a SAML provider for TT-Wiki)
21:29:27  <TrueBrain> nope, even over SSH it is as slow ... wtf ...
21:29:50  <TrueBrain> how can one pod be this much slower than another .. that makes absolutely no sense to me
21:33:35  <TrueBrain> this is something to look into further another day, I guess
21:33:44  <TrueBrain> I ... simply don't know why one is this much slower than the other
21:34:02  <frosch123> spnda: can you squash those 2 commits somehow. the diff github displays makes no sense at all
21:34:20  <frosch123> github has a lot of issues if diffs have non-ascending time stamps
21:36:50  <spnda> yeah i'll push now
21:36:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] spnda updated pull request #34: Some reformulations
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21:38:02  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I am going to hold off on merging those access-tickets, as currently when people modify their content, I am not sure everything is reloaded properly
21:38:14  <TrueBrain> I cannot find why the server is this much slower
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21:43:40  <TrueBrain> in my local docker it works fine, which suggests it is a network issue .. but how would that be possible ..
21:44:30  <frosch123> the server consumes the complete bandwidth :)
21:45:20  <TrueBrain> AH! It is not the GitHub connection!
21:45:21  <frosch123> how often does the server access the disk? maybe it's i/o limited?
21:45:28  <TrueBrain> I forgot there is one HUGE difference between API and Server
21:45:34  <TrueBrain> the Server does an S3 file listing
21:45:53  <TrueBrain> that is what is taking so long
21:46:12  <glx> removing empty files ?
21:46:17  <glx> heu folders
21:46:32  <TrueBrain> 6400 files
21:46:36  <TrueBrain> takes a while to list, it seems
21:47:01  <frosch123> does it only do that on restart? or also when notified about new content?
21:47:07  <Yexo> @seen zuu
21:47:07  <DorpsGek> Yexo: zuu was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 2 days, 0 hours, 29 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Zuu> Yes some of the devzone projects have been moved there but not all yet.
21:47:31  <TrueBrain> frosch123: both; it needs to know the new md5sums too
21:47:37  <TrueBrain> yes, this I can reproduce
21:47:37  <TrueBrain> pfft
21:47:55  <glx> progress :)
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21:48:21  <TrueBrain> it walks all the folders, one by one
21:48:22  <TrueBrain> that is silly
21:49:17  <glx> could spawn workers recursively I guess
21:49:57  <TrueBrain> no, I don't need to make this many API calls
21:50:02  <TrueBrain> I thought I already fixed that .. I did not :P
21:50:45  <TrueBrain> when you list on S3, you get all childs, if you want to or not :P
21:50:47  <glx> "todo" post-it should have fall on the floor behind desktop ;)
21:53:41  <TrueBrain> ah, no, it does not recurse .. that was why I did it like this .. but that is just silly
21:53:44  <TrueBrain> as doing .. euh ...
21:53:56  <TrueBrain> 1500 API calls
21:53:57  <TrueBrain> is going to be slow
21:55:14  * andythenorth must to sleep
21:55:15  <andythenorth> GL
21:55:37  <TrueBrain> sleep well
21:56:06  <Yexo> Good night
21:58:59  <TrueBrain> down to 5 seconds
21:59:00  <TrueBrain> lolz
21:59:12  <andythenorth> yexo :)
21:59:14  <andythenorth> also bye
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21:59:21  <frosch123> TrueBrain: wow :)
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22:00:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #14: Fix: only make one call to S3 (instead of 1500)
22:00:56  <TrueBrain> one more for the road
22:03:27  <TrueBrain> first data suggests we pushed 10GB in 1 hour
22:03:30  <TrueBrain> @calc 10 * 24 * 30
22:03:31  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 7200
22:03:40  <TrueBrain> given this is the peak, sounds about right
22:03:45  <TrueBrain> this bill is going to be EXPENSIVE :P
22:03:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] frosch123 commented on pull request #14: Fix: only make one call to S3 (instead of 1500)
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22:04:33  <frosch123> TrueBrain: as long as that are not our api calls :p
22:04:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #14: Fix: only make one call to S3 (instead of 1500)
22:04:53  <TrueBrain> no, that is the BaNaNaS CDN :)
22:05:36  <TrueBrain> our API traffic doesn't even show up
22:05:39  <TrueBrain> our main website pulls more
22:05:55  <TrueBrain> can't even see when it went live
22:06:15  <TrueBrain> anyway, I will be dropping CloudFlare an email, to see if they mind offloading a bit of our traffic
22:06:21  <TrueBrain> they can always say no, but .. it might help in our bill
22:06:27  <TrueBrain> and 7TB is nothing for them
22:07:08  <TrueBrain> and nicely spotted frosch123 ; that went okay by accident :D
22:07:20  <TrueBrain> (it would request {content_type}/None, which doesn't exist :P)
22:08:27  <frosch123> i have no idea how that diff works
22:08:39  <frosch123> i only see the whole cache being invalidated
22:08:49  <frosch123> how does that save api calls?
22:08:53  <TrueBrain> sorry?
22:09:03  <TrueBrain> the whole PR you mean? How it works?
22:09:04  <frosch123> doesn't it still scan everything on refresh?
22:09:11  <TrueBrain> yes, with 1 API call
22:09:28  <TrueBrain> reload_md5sum_mapping clears the cache, and after that runs through the whole directory structure
22:09:38  <TrueBrain> s3 does 1 call, to get the whole S3 bucket
22:09:44  <TrueBrain> and after that does the filtering himself
22:10:08  <TrueBrain> next scan, it clears the cache again, does 1 API call, and off we go
22:10:22  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] frosch123 approved pull request #14: Fix: only make one call to S3 (instead of 1500)
22:10:33  <frosch123> ok, i thought the api call is non-recursive
22:10:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #14: Fix: only make one call to S3 (instead of 1500)
22:10:39  <TrueBrain> I thought so to
22:10:41  <TrueBrain> then I didn't
22:10:42  <TrueBrain> then I did
22:10:44  <TrueBrain> but it is :P
22:11:15  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.5
22:11:34  <TrueBrain> S3 is a bit confusing, as it isn't a filestorage, but an objectstorage, with keys that look like paths, and in the GUI, you can browse them as paths
22:11:36  <TrueBrain> :D
22:12:00  <TrueBrain> okay .. this should fix the long-ass times to reload
22:12:59  <TrueBrain> in other good news: 0 errors/warnings from both API and Server
22:13:08  <TrueBrain> Frontend has a few, but mostly 404s about URLs that ar egone
22:13:32  <TrueBrain> and shit like: /data/admin/allowurl.txt
22:13:34  <frosch123> well, noone did anything
22:13:35  <TrueBrain> as if that ever existed
22:13:47  <TrueBrain> the server is bombarded with requests
22:13:47  <frosch123> no commits to BaNaNaS
22:13:50  <TrueBrain> the frontend has some requests
22:13:56  <TrueBrain> but yeah, no manager activity yet :D
22:14:25  <TrueBrain> 25 seconds to boot now
22:14:32  <TrueBrain> that is a lot better over the 3-ish minutes we had
22:15:24  <frosch123> the script works nicely :)
22:15:43  <TrueBrain> owh, you have been collecting them I see
22:15:44  <TrueBrain> nice :)
22:15:45  <frosch123> do you want to do the 4 migrations today? or still wait for tomorrow?
22:15:49  <TrueBrain> yes
22:16:14  <TrueBrain> I love saying yes to these kind of questions :D
22:16:53  <frosch123> so far everyone was already registered on github
22:16:59  <frosch123> one guy only for 2 week though
22:17:08  <TrueBrain> shit, "WARNING socket.send() raised exception." is back
22:17:09  <TrueBrain> ugh
22:17:26  <TrueBrain> I tested that I fixed that issue
22:17:27  <TrueBrain> grr
22:18:29  <TrueBrain> k, one minor fix .. the reload-script had a timeout of 30s
22:18:31  <TrueBrain> that is not sufficient
22:18:51  <TrueBrain> we really should look into improving read-speed, but .. not today
22:20:46  <TrueBrain> owh, I see why those warnings still happen
22:20:51  <TrueBrain> fine, I will make an exception out of it ..
22:21:30  <TrueBrain> not today .. hopefully it doesn't happen too much, otherwise we also have a CloudWatch bill to pay :P
22:21:36  <TrueBrain> (you pay for log-storage)
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22:23:42  <TrueBrain> bah, read timeout
22:23:45  <TrueBrain> getting there :D
22:23:53  <frosch123> btw. technically we still keep the openttd login in the data. we never update the display-name :)
22:24:08  <TrueBrain> very true
22:24:19  <TrueBrain> not sure that is a good or bad idea, now I think about it :P
22:24:27  <TrueBrain> we should make it configurable for the user
22:25:06  <Yexo> TrueBrain: can you search bananas for author?
22:25:16  <TrueBrain> not atm
22:25:30  <TrueBrain> we currently simply reimplemented v1 :) But we can consider any and all additions
22:25:35  <TrueBrain> (within reason :P)
22:25:42  <frosch123> Yexo: not via the frontend, but if you want to
22:25:46  <Yexo> sorry, poorly phrased: can you (literally you, not anyone) search by author?
22:25:58  <TrueBrain> yes; you can too, if you want to
22:26:04  <TrueBrain> what frosch123 says :)
22:26:05  <TrueBrain> why?
22:26:06  <Yexo> Ah, thanks
22:26:20  <frosch123> Yexo: everything is public, except the md5sum of the content
22:26:28  <Yexo> Your user migration asks for links to content
22:26:44  <frosch123> only one
22:26:49  <frosch123> you need to remember one :)
22:26:54  <Yexo> Oh, ok
22:26:58  <Yexo> I wasn sure about that
22:27:04  <TrueBrain> it says so in the text :P
22:27:06  <frosch123> also we know who you are
22:27:12  <TrueBrain> do we? really?
22:27:13  <TrueBrain> :D
22:27:21  <TrueBrain> tell us a joke in a language nobody would expect!
22:29:51  <TrueBrain> okay frosch123 , it is somewhat stable
22:29:57  <TrueBrain> not the stable I would like, but good enough for now
22:30:04  <TrueBrain> reloads are painful, and a pod drops over from time to time
22:30:12  <TrueBrain> but with a recover time of < 1 minute, I do not really care
22:30:13  <frosch123> Yexo:
22:30:53  <TrueBrain> frosch123: and we do hav eto pace merges btw, I am not sure yet what happens when two arrive at the same time
22:31:02  <TrueBrain> I will need to add a queue in front for this :)
22:31:35  <frosch123> i just leave the merges to you
22:31:38  <Yexo> Thanks
22:31:48  <TrueBrain> "only" "at most" 200 people he said .. the spam in my mailbox .... :P
22:31:52  <TrueBrain> frosch123: that is fine, tnx :)
22:32:15  <frosch123> i have one left, last one for today
22:33:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened issue #15: Raise exception if connection is gone
22:33:13  <TrueBrain> okiedokie
22:33:42  <TrueBrain> Yexo: you can now access your content? Just to confirm it really works :D
22:34:01  <frosch123> haha, frontend is blocked by someone :)
22:34:16  <frosch123> 15 seconds to logout :)
22:34:19  <TrueBrain> yeah, we need to fix those odds and ends :)
22:34:41  <Yexo> Yes, I can now see my content after logging in
22:34:50  <TrueBrain> reloading needs to be more clever .. either it needs to read the diff, or it needs to not block everything :P
22:34:58  <TrueBrain> Yexo: cool, means automation works :D
22:35:10  <Yexo> Nice :)
22:35:14  <TrueBrain> Python is so horrible for this .. fucking GIL
22:35:21  <frosch123> TrueBrain: do you want a copy of my pm replies?
22:35:32  <TrueBrain> CC me in one
22:35:39  <TrueBrain> might be a good idea anyway, so we can see if one of us replied
22:36:11  <TrueBrain> frosch123: <- this was okay now?
22:36:36  <spnda> did you guys remove download statistics
22:36:36  <frosch123> TrueBrain: it's not rebased or something
22:36:38  <frosch123> all weid
22:36:46  <TrueBrain> owh, indeed
22:36:58  <TrueBrain> okay, something to fix tomorrow
22:37:47  <frosch123> i wonder when forums blocks me for sending too many pms :p
22:38:01  <Yexo> Does get updates when people upload content?
22:38:05  <TrueBrain> spnda: yes, no more download stats that serves no real purpose .. but .. I hope to replace it soon with stuff that is useful :D
22:38:15  <TrueBrain> Yexo: it is the database, yes :)
22:38:17  <spnda> :((
22:38:19  <frosch123> Yexo: yes, after 15 minutes
22:38:23  <Yexo> Cool :)
22:38:46  <TrueBrain> spnda: don't be sad; be happy we now have a framework where we can build on
22:38:48  <Yexo> Means I can actually figure out which/how many AIs use a certain library
22:38:49  <spnda> TrueBrain: I always loved to see my GRFs hit 10k downloads
22:38:53  <TrueBrain> instead of .. a 13 year old something nobody wants to touch :P
22:39:01  <spnda> Welp, then I might have a PR the next days to implement it again
22:39:11  <TrueBrain> well, if you like, sure
22:39:14  <TrueBrain> talk to me first, but yeah
22:39:26  <TrueBrain> basically, what I want to do, is implement download stats over the last N days
22:39:33  <TrueBrain> instead of a "total" that has no real meaning
22:39:36  <spnda> Oh yeah
22:39:38  <TrueBrain> and show that per versions, and per package
22:39:41  <spnda> So graphs and stuff could be made
22:39:47  <TrueBrain> yeah, trends
22:40:01  <TrueBrain> means you can compare things
22:40:02  <spnda> Well, one could add some kind of Map to each version yaml
22:40:07  <TrueBrain> might give more insight
22:40:18  <TrueBrain> Map?
22:40:36  <spnda> Like, { "SomeDate": NumOfDownloads, "AnotherDate": NumOfDownloads }
22:40:52  <spnda> would obv be different in YAML though
22:41:11  <TrueBrain> it shouldn't go in the repository
22:41:14  <TrueBrain> that would be very noisy
22:41:23  <TrueBrain> I was thinking using DynamoDB
22:41:30  <TrueBrain> cheap and "just works"
22:41:45  <frosch123> night
22:41:48  <spnda> oh so something in the backend
22:41:49  <spnda> night
22:41:50  <TrueBrain> night frosch123
22:41:52  <TrueBrain> and tnx :)
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22:42:34  <TrueBrain> yeah, tracking stats in files is difficult
22:42:42  <TrueBrain> but okay .. I have to get some sleep too
22:42:46  <TrueBrain> we use AWS, so we can use what-ever
22:42:53  <TrueBrain> as long as it doesn't cost a gassilion in money
22:43:02  <TrueBrain> so draw something up
22:43:08  <TrueBrain> and we can talk :)
22:43:10  <TrueBrain> for now, good night
22:43:14  <spnda> Good night
22:43:23  <spnda> And yeah, I'll try to come up with something
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