Log for #openttd on 29th June 2020:
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01:16:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
01:30:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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02:48:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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03:17:15  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
03:18:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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06:25:35  <arikover> Good morning.
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06:48:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh opened issue #8248: Audio breaks after system resume on Windows
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07:55:55  <andythenorth> in what world would I not want to use SSL/TLS?
07:55:57  <andythenorth>
07:59:47  <LordAro> generic simplicity?
08:00:38  <LordAro> though more usually, whatever you want to connect to the site/bucket doesn't support it
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08:03:31  <andythenorth> don't most browsers now block websites that aren't SSL/TLS?
08:03:38  * andythenorth may be out of the loop
08:03:43  <LordAro> block? no
08:03:52  <LordAro> they just display little "unsecure" messages at the top
08:04:48  <andythenorth> maybe I'm conflating that with the 'certificate expired' warnings which block progress
08:05:02  <LordAro> yeah
08:05:10  <LordAro> (and also mismatched domains)
08:06:10  <andythenorth> anyway, I'll need to learn all this cloudfront bollocks :)
08:06:18  <andythenorth> http only is just weird in 2020
08:08:23  <andythenorth> .gg? o_O
08:08:34  * andythenorth looking in the TLD list
08:08:49  <andythenorth> used to buy domains all the time for web projects, haven't bought one for years
08:09:04  <andythenorth>
08:09:07  <andythenorth>
08:09:08  <LordAro> so many
08:09:46  <andythenorth> no .grf
08:09:57  <andythenorth> I guess I'm just registering a personal site
08:10:06  <andythenorth> afaict, community grf stuff like coop is dead
08:10:39  <andythenorth> shame there's no .bananas tld :P
08:19:57  <nielsm> look, would be perfect
08:22:12  <LordAro> .tt super expensive
08:23:01  <andythenorth> I wondered if there was .game
08:23:04  <andythenorth> couldn't see it :P
08:23:32  <LordAro> something like that would be only a matter of time, i would think
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08:44:14  <andythenorth> whmm
08:44:31  <andythenorth> I started searching for Github Actions, to learn it
08:44:45  <andythenorth> but all I'm getting is results for pre-baked magical plugins
08:44:57  <andythenorth> not how to start from scratch
08:45:12  <andythenorth> oh this might be better
08:46:32  <andythenorth> this looks promising
08:48:46  <LordAro> andythenorth: you can look at what we did for dorpsgek & nml
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08:54:01  <andythenorth> I will
08:54:08  <andythenorth> I guess it has to reinstall the deps on every run
08:54:16  <andythenorth> but I'm not bothered about cycle times
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10:09:27  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Guernsey
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11:01:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
11:25:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
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12:28:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
12:30:51  <supermop_Home>
12:33:52  <andythenorth> yes
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14:12:17  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
14:27:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
14:57:47  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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17:35:13  <andythenorth> hmm
17:35:16  <andythenorth> .dog TLD?
17:35:22  <andythenorth>
17:35:27  <andythenorth>
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18:05:38  <andythenorth> oof I hate choosing domain names :D
18:06:31  <milek7> .com?
18:07:44  <andythenorth> might be free
18:07:51  <andythenorth> nothing in whois for it
18:08:05  <andythenorth> is that a good name to replace bundles?
18:08:48  <Wolf01>
18:09:33  <nielsm> sorry but that should really be .info, anything else would be absurd
18:09:42  <Wolf01> Yeah
18:11:49  <andythenorth> TrueBrain how hard was it to use a domain that wasn't registered via Amazon's Route 53 thing?
18:12:17  <andythenorth> I'm wondering if could alias or proxy to an S3 bucket, or if that's just impossible
18:20:48  <andythenorth> oh there's a .fail TLD
18:20:52  <andythenorth>
18:20:56  <andythenorth> there's also .farm
18:20:58  <andythenorth>
18:21:00  <andythenorth>
18:21:08  <andythenorth>
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18:43:47  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: AWS doesn't care if it hosts a domain or not
18:44:23  <TrueBrain> if you want a custom domain name on an S3 bucket, with indexing, you have to use cloudfront to have https
18:44:37  <TrueBrain> Create certificate via AWS Certificate (this is a must; cannot be any other CA)
18:44:53  <TrueBrain> Create AWS Cloudfront entry with the certificate and point to the S3 bucket
18:45:01  <TrueBrain> wait till it provisions .. wait .. wait ... wait ... wait ...
18:45:07  <TrueBrain> CNAME your subdomain to the cloudfront domain
18:45:08  <TrueBrain> done
18:45:20  <TrueBrain> if you don't want the CNAME, you need to deligate the (sub)domain to Route53
18:45:37  <TrueBrain> we do this for, where only the domains that are moved to AWS are on Route53, via subdeligation (NS deligation in this case)
18:45:52  <TrueBrain> -> CNAME to -> on Route 53 with ALIAS to CloudFront entry
18:46:18  <TrueBrain> but I do this because I very much dislike CNAMEs outside the domain
18:48:10  <andythenorth> ok so in principle, coop bundles could move to S3
18:48:23  <andythenorth> I'm potato / potato, but inventing a new domain name is boring :P
18:48:25  <TrueBrain> of course :)
18:48:30  <TrueBrain> but it is all or nothing
18:48:37  <andythenorth> I have no ability to control bundles ofc :)
18:52:38  <TrueBrain> from a practical point of view, it is easier to pick a new domain and move stuff there, instead of a big-bang
18:52:41  <TrueBrain> believe me ... I know :P
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19:00:33  <andythenorth> ok, so I need a name
19:00:37  <andythenorth> maybe a forum poll? :P
19:11:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7947: Fix #7945: Add cost of clearing the sloped tile when placing a dock
19:12:37  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
19:13:26  <TrueBrain>
19:13:27  <TrueBrain> done
19:13:36  <andythenorth> hurrah
19:13:48  <andythenorth> only  / year
19:14:31  <TrueBrain> if you want it for more than you alone, do something like openttd-content
19:14:48  <TrueBrain> openttd-bundles
19:14:57  <TrueBrain> openttd-assets
19:15:00  <TrueBrain> openttd-extra
19:15:01  <TrueBrain> openttd-mods
19:15:04  <TrueBrain> yes, you need a poll :P
19:17:58  <frosch123> i think this channel is a simulation
19:18:11  <TrueBrain> life is a simulation, so what makes this channel more special?
19:18:16  <frosch123> same topic as when i left a few days ago
19:18:21  <frosch123> it just paused while i was gone
19:18:35  <TrueBrain> :D
19:18:42  <TrueBrain> it is like OpenTTD, it pauses when there is nobody here
19:18:49  <andythenorth> yes
19:18:53  <TrueBrain> (and yes, I am calling andythenorth  and me nobody :P)
19:21:02  <milek7> ​/mode #openttd min_active_clients=0
19:21:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
19:21:13  <TrueBrain> frosch123: does it also work for my bankaccount, you think? If I dont look, it is the same as I left it last?
19:22:08  <frosch123> there are different pause modes, some discard commands, others queue them
19:22:16  <TrueBrain> haha :D
19:23:46  <b_jonas> in hotkeys.cfg , which entry sets the hotkey for the tile query (question mark in blue disk) tool?
19:24:36  <frosch123> check the maintoolbar section
19:25:29  <b_jonas> frosch123: yes, that's what I'm looking at
19:26:24  <b_jonas> there's "ai_debug", "client_list", "sign_list" but I don't think any of those is it
19:26:35  <frosch123> src/toolbar_gui.cpp:    Hotkey(WKC_F12, "land_info", MTEHK_LANDINFO)
19:26:49  <b_jonas> ah indeed
19:26:52  <b_jonas> I'm blind
19:26:56  <b_jonas> no wait
19:27:01  <TrueBrain> put it on the wiki for the next person to find easier! :)
19:27:04  <b_jonas> that's only in sceneedit_maintoolbar
19:27:21  <b_jonas> unless I accidentally deleted it from the normal maintoolbar section during my edits
19:28:25  <frosch123> looks like hotkeys are different in-game and in-se
19:29:11  <b_jonas> the tools are different, so that makes sense
19:32:03  <andythenorth>
19:32:10  <andythenorth> nah 6
19:32:26  <TrueBrain> lolz ... keep it sane plz :)
19:33:11  <andythenorth> there's always .net
19:33:13  <andythenorth> a classic
19:33:15  <andythenorth> 
19:33:29  <frosch123> i still like
19:33:36  <TrueBrain> hihi
19:33:41  <andythenorth> :D
19:33:52  <andythenorth> can we register that with openttd donations?
19:35:33  <TrueBrain> no tnx :)
19:36:10  <milek7> (not really)
19:36:40  <TrueBrain>
19:36:43  <TrueBrain> sounds realistic :P
19:39:46  <andythenorth>
19:39:52  <andythenorth>
19:40:04  <andythenorth>
19:40:10  <TrueBrain> forum-poll!
19:41:14  <frosch123> andy is the only user, right?
19:43:38  <andythenorth> dunno
19:43:50  <andythenorth> I just read the docs locally
19:44:02  <TrueBrain> ask if you can have
19:45:12  <b_jonas> check if they accept it under the .travel domain :-)
19:50:36  <andythenorth> I just want this because I keep getting asked about bundles
19:50:52  <andythenorth> de-facto I'm responsible for answering bundles questions :)
19:50:59  <andythenorth> because my stuff is there
19:51:13  <andythenorth> so I get DMs and stuff about why bundles is not maintained
19:52:32  <TrueBrain> I never get DMs :)
19:52:33  <TrueBrain> so happy about that
19:52:37  <TrueBrain> helps I am not on twitter etc :P
19:52:54  <nielsm> TrueBrain: did you figure anything out for the email?
19:53:05  <TrueBrain> nein; also haven't looked any further tbh
19:53:12  <TrueBrain> the russian one still scares me to death and back
19:53:38  <nielsm> yeah I think even if it's "safe", there's a big risk of being randomly blocked by recipients
19:53:46  <TrueBrain> yeah
19:54:09  <TrueBrain> mostly I have been wondering if anyone has been sending mails FROM in the last 5 years, excluding info@
19:54:15  <nielsm> I talked to my friend at the company running, they can't sponsor us, but I think it's still worth a look
19:54:28  <nielsm> you should send them a mail and ask for a quote
19:55:05  <TrueBrain> well, do devs really need a mailbox, or is a forward sufficient?
19:55:19  <nielsm> a forward is probably enough for most
19:55:31  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i am strongly in favour of deleting all mails except info@
19:55:58  <TrueBrain> I think I am the only one who sends mail as truebrain@, for various of infra contacts
19:56:03  <frosch123> no forward needed either
19:56:27  <TrueBrain> frosch123: well, we need forwards, as we need things like github accounts bound to us :)
19:56:31  <TrueBrain> so it is not THAT simple :)
19:56:52  <frosch123> ok
19:57:05  <frosch123> looks like i answered a mail 2019-06-28, 1 year 1 day ago :p
19:57:13  <TrueBrain> let me check the server logs
19:59:22  <TrueBrain> translators@, info@, truebrain@ and pm were used this year
20:00:04  <andythenorth> are emails used for any transactional services, activation emails, billing etc?
20:00:11  <andythenorth> otherwise just scrap them :P
20:00:14  <andythenorth> email is illy
20:00:17  <andythenorth> silly *
20:00:20  <frosch123> andythenorth: if you own info@, you own ottd
20:00:31  <TrueBrain> that I just pointed out andythenorth  ;)
20:00:38  <andythenorth> I am agreeing
20:00:56  <TrueBrain> but okay, only having info@ as a real mailbox would make things a lot easier
20:01:07  <TrueBrain> that would mean nobody can email from <devname> anymore
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20:01:16  <TrueBrain> which, again, is most likely hurting me more than anyone else :P
20:01:26  <TrueBrain> I will survive ;)
20:02:17  <frosch123> TrueBrain: what is wrong with "devname (OpenTTD)" <info@> ?
20:02:49  <TrueBrain> well, for me that won't work, but it seems nobody else is using their to sent anyway :) but yeah, good solution
20:03:16  <TrueBrain> and for myself, I just have to change some mail accounts to something like or what-ever
20:04:19  <frosch123> same here,
20:04:32  <andythenorth> ooh I could use for my grf server?
20:04:35  <andythenorth> you already have the domain :)
20:04:51  <TrueBrain> just ... pick .. a .. freaking .. domain :P
20:04:56  <TrueBrain> frosch123: you really have that domain? lol
20:05:10  <frosch123> andythenorth: what do you think is the average number of domains owned by people in this channel?
20:05:16  <andythenorth> I used to have about 130
20:05:22  <frosch123> TrueBrain: no, i just did not want to paste my private one
20:05:24  <andythenorth> now I have...1 I think
20:05:30  <TrueBrain> frosch123: fair :)
20:05:51  <andythenorth> can I get and use it?
20:05:55  <andythenorth> then you get the DMs :P
20:06:07  <frosch123> .fail is actually expensive
20:06:15  <andythenorth> yeah
20:06:33  <andythenorth> what's even on ?
20:06:40  <andythenorth> I used to have a blog on it
20:06:42  <andythenorth> that's gone
20:10:27  <TrueBrain> hmm, checking if I can forward more than one address on a 1 user plan of Exchange Online :D
20:10:34  <andythenorth> ok so I'd get bored of, but I might get or
20:10:38  <andythenorth>  / year is ok
20:11:22  <andythenorth> .lol is 
20:11:25  <andythenorth>
20:11:44  <andythenorth>
20:12:23  <TrueBrain> please don't use 'openttd' :)
20:12:34  <TrueBrain> well, ^openttd\. that is
20:12:54  <andythenorth> maybe I sleep on it :P
20:13:41  <supermop_Home> should i buy a box of records from japan, or tiny trains from japan?
20:14:01  <supermop_Home> have an amazon gift card and intend to try to use it on
20:14:38  <frosch123> TrueBrain: hetzner's smallest email hosting plan is 2€/month for 100 mailboxes and/or forwards
20:14:44  <andythenorth> supermop_Home both
20:15:17  <supermop_Home> andythenorth both are quite expensive
20:15:42  <frosch123> supermop_Home: both are cheap compared to .game
20:15:54  <supermop_Home>
20:16:28  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I do not want our email hosted at hetzner, sorry .. that really is ... no, just no
20:16:30  <TrueBrain> :D
20:17:05  <andythenorth>
20:17:11  <frosch123> do i need to be worried that mine is hosted there?
20:17:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
20:17:45  <frosch123> andythenorth: you can combine that with a short-url service
20:18:20  <andythenorth>
20:18:23  <TrueBrain> frosch123: you know the reputation of hetzner, right?
20:18:31  <frosch123> no :)
20:18:46  <supermop_Home> or train:
20:18:47  <supermop_Home>
20:18:51  <frosch123> wasn't half of ottd hosted there once?
20:19:10  <TrueBrain> no
20:19:17  <TrueBrain> I avoid certain ISPs like the plague :P
20:19:32  <frosch123> pretty sure coop is there
20:20:03  <TrueBrain> for a long time hetzner .. did not .. really care about spammers on their platform. Not sure if this is still true
20:20:12  <TrueBrain> all I know that for a while their whole AS was just spam-listed
20:20:15  <TrueBrain> it was just a lot easier
20:20:47  <supermop_Home> here is one for andy:
20:21:28  <TrueBrain> anyway, we can also use the Exchange Online Plan 1, which is 4 dollar a month
20:21:32  <frosch123> ah, ok, i never send mails, only receive them
20:22:34  <TrueBrain> so that might be the most robust solution I think .. they do have one of the best anti-spam solutions :)
20:23:17  <frosch123> does exchange online support imap? or is it outlook vendor-locked?
20:23:25  <TrueBrain> imap, and owa
20:23:29  <TrueBrain> custom domain
20:23:31  <TrueBrain> forwarding
20:23:33  <milek7> oh, microsoft mail...
20:23:42  <frosch123> milek7: not hotmail
20:24:22  <TrueBrain> the only thing I do not know if it is against terms of services to share an account :P
20:25:06  <frosch123> they claim to target companies, so shared info@ should be normal
20:25:22  * andythenorth TV time
20:25:22  <TrueBrain> there are shared mailboxes etc, but that is not what I am not sure about
20:25:33  <TrueBrain> having a single user-account that you share
20:25:37  <TrueBrain> might be against terms of service :)
20:27:17  <TrueBrain> yeah, it is against the terms
20:27:25  <TrueBrain> so that doesn't work :P
20:28:06  <milek7> outlook was the one with guility-by-default policy
20:28:08  <milek7> no delivery to them unless you sign up on their website
20:35:42  <TrueBrain> frosch123: so with hetzner you get a free website with those mailboxes :P
20:36:54  <frosch123> in theory, but you only have ftp access
20:36:59  <frosch123> and ftp cannot even truncate files
20:37:05  <frosch123> it was hillarious when i tried
20:37:28  <frosch123> i did not know that ftp was so broken
20:41:26  <TrueBrain> lolz, what you can do is put something like helpmonks in front of exchange online, making it appear like 1 user :)
20:41:37  <TrueBrain> but yeah, the more reason not to use hetzner frosch123 , sory :P
20:41:59  <TrueBrain> too bad the platforms with hive-anti-spam are expensive these days
20:43:12  <TrueBrain> although spam at is in an all time low I believe :P
20:43:13  <milek7> I considiered this before
20:43:29  <milek7> in the end decided to host my mail myself
20:44:12  <frosch123> TrueBrain: most spam are newsletters
20:45:38  <frosch123> like: openttd 1.10.2 is now hosted on, you can put dodgybanner onto your frontpage to indicate that
20:45:57  <TrueBrain> yeah, not much we can do to prevent those tbh
20:46:58  <frosch123> btw. will we still get a digitalocean invoice in 2 days?
20:47:05  <TrueBrain> yes
20:47:14  <TrueBrain> I keep forgetting to clean up the last bits and pieces
20:47:38  <TrueBrain> they are now out of retention, so removing should be fine .. will take care of that before the end of next month :)
20:47:41  <TrueBrain> it is only 5 dollar btw
20:48:20  <frosch123> yes, we had ovh banner on our page for 5 years, despite not being sponsored
20:48:42  <TrueBrain> that wasn't my fault :)
20:49:13  <TrueBrain> DO is; and the 500 dollar bill on AWS this month too :P (we have plenty of credits to never see that bill :D)
20:50:00  <frosch123> it was worth aro's reaction, when he asked whether there wasn't a prettier option for the logo
20:50:18  <TrueBrain> do tell?
20:50:57  <frosch123> i already said everything. he asked whether there isn't a prettier banner, i answered that we were not sponsored anyway
20:51:11  <frosch123> he did survive it
20:51:11  <TrueBrain> but what was his reaction!
20:51:13  <TrueBrain> :D
20:51:42  <TrueBrain> yeah, the OVH sponsorship ended weird .. I believe someone just stopped asking for the yearly extension or something
20:52:21  <TrueBrain> 4800 dollar remaining on AWS, for 6 more months
20:52:28  <TrueBrain> guess that will do just fine for now
20:52:49  <frosch123> planetmaker: aw, since when are the irc logs truncated in 2018?
20:53:05  <TrueBrain> lolz :)
20:53:11  <TrueBrain> I found out that I have irc logs back to 2004
20:53:17  <TrueBrain> I only miss some data between 2007 and 2009
20:53:23  <TrueBrain> silly, how that happens
20:53:32  <frosch123> well, look on [Wednesday, August 30, 2017] [11:14:23 PM CEST]
20:54:13  <frosch123> actually, not worth looking it up
20:54:32  <frosch123> the imagination is better
20:54:43  <TrueBrain> I have no logs of that date :D Lolz .. wuth ..
20:54:48  <TrueBrain> Aug 30 2016 I do have
20:55:58  <TrueBrain> ah, I cannot search
20:56:29  <TrueBrain>
20:57:09  <frosch123> disappointing
20:57:11  <TrueBrain> [Wednesday, August 30, 2017] [11:25:15 PM] <frosch123>  andythenorth: only "new bananas"
20:57:15  <TrueBrain> took a few years to get to that :P
20:59:01  <TrueBrain> anyway, sleepytime
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21:23:15  <b_jonas> I should pay attention to the two bonus tiles that are part of the oil rig even though they look just like water
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21:26:33  <andythenorth> also sleeping time!
21:26:47  <andythenorth> today was weird, nothing went as expected
21:26:55  <andythenorth> I try tomorrow, see how that goes :P
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21:47:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
21:59:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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22:50:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
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22:57:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Andrew350 opened issue #8250: NRT: Company infrastructure window always omits last road/tramtype
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23:16:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] giordy commented on issue #8219: Inexplicably low redraw rate on multiplayer server
23:17:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
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