Log for #openttd on 10th July 2020:
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03:35:33  <CornsMcGowan[m]> should we change the default sort of cargo payments from alphabetical to highest value first?
03:42:26  <CornsMcGowan[m]> i feel its easier to read down the list to find the cargo i want than it is to try match the cargo colour to the chart
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04:36:00  <Eddi|zuHause> but would that be the value at the start or the end of the graph?
04:36:28  <CornsMcGowan[m]> yes
04:36:39  <CornsMcGowan[m]> the start i reckon
04:36:58  <CornsMcGowan[m]> greatest dispersion of values usually there
04:37:54  <CornsMcGowan[m]> at least in vanilla and firs3 economies, the lines are most spread out at the start
04:37:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not convinced it's a good idea
04:41:34  <CornsMcGowan[m]> hm
04:41:55  <CornsMcGowan[m]> are you happy with the current way the cargo payment rates graph is laid out?
04:55:27  <Eddi|zuHause> no, the whole window and the graph itself are horrible, the list order is the least of the problems
04:55:39  <CornsMcGowan[m]> lmao
04:57:54  <CornsMcGowan[m]> well, until somebody does a full remake of the window, i reckon for now this will be a good improvement
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06:12:46  <andythenorth> yo
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07:33:21  <CornsMcGowan[m]> are we guarunteed that only one of the rail/road/tram/canal/airport build toolbarsa will be open/activate at one time?
07:33:47  <CornsMcGowan[m]> or that the toolbar instances will exist simultaneously
07:47:16  <Eddi|zuHause> for what purpose do you need that guarantee?
07:54:27  <andythenorth> hmm
07:54:54  * andythenorth wonders what the most performant way is to find out if an industry tile is at the edge of a layout
07:55:25  <andythenorth> pre-compute in python by checking offsets to other positions in layout (x, y)?
07:55:42  <andythenorth> or just do it in openttd by checking if neighbouring tiles are same industry?
07:57:29  <andythenorth> and whether it really matters :P
07:58:08  <Eddi|zuHause> intuitively i'd say you should encode that into the ID of the industrytile
07:59:09  <andythenorth> considered that, but (1) it consumes IDs too fast, there aren't that many (2) the ID is already used for animated / non-animated / differently animated
07:59:41  <andythenorth> I think it's probably 5 minutes work in python, if I think about it for a day first :P
08:12:51  <LordAro> andythenorth: don't try optimising before profiling
08:13:04  <LordAro> premature optimisation is the root of all evil, etc etc
08:14:57  <andythenorth> how do you profile newgrf tile varact 2 chain during industry placement? :P
08:15:09  <andythenorth> other than A-B testing, maybe with a GS
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08:15:19  <LordAro> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08:15:22  <andythenorth> I do tend to agree :)
08:15:54  <LordAro> you could write the algorithm in something that can be profiled?
08:16:08  <andythenorth> I could just ship the change and await complaints
08:16:15  <LordAro> that works too
08:16:41  <andythenorth> I want to enforce a bigger minimum gap between industries
08:16:44  <andythenorth> currently 1 tile gap
08:17:02  <andythenorth> 2 tiles is potentially 4 times as many checks, depending how many vectors are checked
08:23:12  <_dp_> how's that even a question? ofc pre-computed stuff will be faster unless it's stored awfully ineffecient
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08:34:50  <andythenorth> efficient for who?
08:34:54  <andythenorth> OpenTTD or me? :)
08:35:04  <LordAro> whom
08:35:07  <andythenorth> too right
08:35:14  <LordAro> sorry, too obvious
08:35:18  <andythenorth> no I admire grammar pedantry
08:35:20  <andythenorth> genuinely
08:35:34  <andythenorth> 'to lunch' or 'at lunch' not 'on lunch' is the hill I will die on
08:35:57  * LordAro should of pushed andythenorth off of his hill
08:36:00  <LordAro> urgh
08:36:03  <LordAro> that hurt a bit
08:36:13  <andythenorth> ouch
08:36:16  <andythenorth> my eyes
08:43:26  <andythenorth> meanwhile in South Wales
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09:38:33  <CornsMcGowan[m]> Eddi|zuHause: was wondering if i could get away with a singleton for the route planner tools or not
09:39:14  <CornsMcGowan[m]> LordAro: isn't it "should have" instead of "should of"
09:39:35  <LordAro> CornsMcGowan[m]: thatsthejoke.jpg
09:42:18  <LordAro> also "off of" is absolutely never correct
09:43:16  <CornsMcGowan[m]> i have been wooshed
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13:45:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8260: Codechange: Spell 'Viewport' consistently
13:45:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8263: Fix: refresh coverage on option switch
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13:46:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8264: Add: [CMake] Source group definitions for MSVC project filters.
13:47:09  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8258: Codechange #8258: Remove unused town cargo caches from the savegame
13:47:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #8247: Fix #8162: Improve Error Message When Converting Town Owned Road
13:48:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #8162: Converting town-owned road returns ambiguous/unhelpful error message
13:48:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #8236: Fix #7772: Show destination on mouseover when vehicle stopped (and not in depot)
13:48:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #7772: Showing destination when stopped or waiting
13:48:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #8196: Fix: Adjust .gitignore to CMake build system.
13:48:59  <LordAro> crap, should've squashed that one
13:52:28  <CornsMcGowan[m]> lol
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14:05:16  <CornsMcGowan[m]> hm, inflation affects prices by a fixed multiplier
14:05:42  <CornsMcGowan[m]> so should i use cargo->initial_payment for sorting or cargo->current_payment? they should result in the same outcome right?
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14:40:04  <CornsMcGowan[m]> there we go
14:40:12  <CornsMcGowan[m]> sorted by initial cost
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14:42:30  <CornsMcGowan[m]> with FIRS extreme
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14:44:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Hexus-One opened pull request #8268: Change: Sort cargo payment rates legend in order of (initial) cost instead of alphabetically
14:48:05  <glx> CornsMcGowan[m]: could it be configurable ?
14:48:16  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh like, as a setting?
14:48:45  <CornsMcGowan[m]> possible to make it as such - i just swap between the macros in graph_gui.cpp
14:48:50  <glx> I think sometimes you want to show only some cargo, and it's easier to find them alphabetically
14:49:19  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh like, adding extra buttons to sort, in the same way as industry list or station list can be sorted?
14:49:47  <glx> yeah
14:50:51  <CornsMcGowan[m]> that would be nice
14:51:02  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh wouldn't that be more strings to mess with
14:51:16  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh i could just steal the strings from vehicle list (name, cost)
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14:53:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Hexus-One updated pull request #8268: Change: Sort cargo payment rates legend in order of (initial) cost instead of alphabetically
14:58:27  <CornsMcGowan[m]> hm i'll leave making it configurable to another day
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15:29:44  <andythenorth> yo
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15:44:50  <andythenorth> any further changes needed to this?
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15:47:07  <supermop_Home_> yo
15:55:48  <andythenorth> supermop_Home_ still sharp (cheap, but sharp)
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16:04:17  <supermop_Home_> andythenorth
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16:06:02  <supermop_Home_> andy looks weird with the flat sided 90s and mk4s, like a poor mans 225
16:06:46  <supermop_Home_> are there that many spare mk4s relative to 91 sets?
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16:28:15  <Econhero> Is the translation email id up? I have sent a message there to join.
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16:38:11  <Eddi|zuHause> it may take some time
16:42:34  <Econhero> fine. Thanks
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17:33:04  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #8264: Add: [CMake] Source group definitions for MSVC project filters.
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18:58:07  <andythenorth> well
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21:30:02  <supermop_Home_> well
21:34:27  <andythenorth> exactly
21:34:58  <Wolf01> Yes
21:38:49  <supermop_Home_> andythenorth
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21:53:02  <HoppyHaus> Hey, is there a command to actually create a company?
21:53:08  <HoppyHaus> like, through rcon
21:55:30  <andythenorth> hmm do I need a OO Hymek
21:55:37  <andythenorth> not today
21:55:44  <andythenorth> also bedtime :)
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