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"semi" legal using a server from a cluster that nobody happened to notice :P 19:02:10 <TrueBrain> but parts of the server it moved to lives on, as the inner VM in our current setup 19:02:17 <TrueBrain> the one that is running django :D 19:02:27 <frosch123> yes, but we once had leaseweb 19:02:30 <TrueBrain> the wiki has been upgraded a few times since that time :) (and put in its own VM etc :P) 19:03:06 <frosch123> until we had 48 hours downtime somewhen... and you did not like them anymore :) or so 19:03:17 <TrueBrain> yeah ... that was "fun" 19:03:35 <TrueBrain> "no, you don't pay us enough, an engineer will be deployed when ever he feels like it" 19:03:43 <TrueBrain> "owh, the issue? Someone switched off your server by accident. We put it back on" 19:03:46 <TrueBrain> fuckers 19:04:08 <frosch123> oi, i did not know that part 19:04:08 <TrueBrain> those are indications of: RUN! RUN!!! 19:04:28 <TrueBrain> then we hopped around a few providers for a while 19:04:33 <TrueBrain> finally landing at OVH :P 19:04:36 <frosch123> did they really say that? that it got switched off by accident? 19:04:37 <TrueBrain> which we have been for a scary long time now 19:04:41 <TrueBrain> yes 19:05:00 <TrueBrain> I was -very- pissed 19:05:26 <frosch123> i wouldn't expect that you would get such a "honest" answer 19:05:47 <TrueBrain> at that time I also rented space in the same DC for my job back then 19:06:49 <TrueBrain> reading back the emails 19:07:01 <TrueBrain> they were first blaming it on the BIOS configuration, that I forgot to change it to boot on power-on 19:07:10 <TrueBrain> while .. they were responsible for that part :P 19:08:23 <TrueBrain> loosely translated: "the powersupply was in working order, but the server was powered off. A powercycle doesn't help here, and the server had to be switched on by pressing the button on the front of it. This is now done, and the server booted correctly" 19:08:36 <TrueBrain> it was even their initial first reply, I now see :) 19:09:29 <TrueBrain> "if a server is shutdown, it stays off if the BIOS is not correctly configured. You can find back these events in the logs. If you like, I can reboot the server again to check the BIOS settings" 19:09:44 <TrueBrain> (the logs showed it was not a clean shutdown .. so yeah ..) 19:10:18 <TrueBrain> so yeah, 6 months later we were migrated to another provider :) 19:10:25 <TrueBrain> good old history :) 19:12:09 <TrueBrain> owh, it was at the same time they tried to charge us for overusage on bandwidth, which were ARP requests caused by a misconfigured on their switch 19:12:16 <TrueBrain> by reading the emails, that pissed me off too :P 19:12:25 <andythenorth> we repeatedly shutdown the wrong one of our servers 19:12:28 <andythenorth> multiple times 19:12:31 <TrueBrain> when we cancelled, they send me a "why did you leave" survey 19:12:32 <TrueBrain> I answered 19:12:34 <TrueBrain> never got a reply :P 19:12:40 <andythenorth> requiring someone to run to the DC, which was up a hill, 10 mins away 19:12:59 <andythenorth> also our DC operator knocked the cable out of the rack multiple times 19:13:03 <TrueBrain> I did that plenty in my life indeed :) But that was not that time, I promise you :D 19:13:15 <TrueBrain> I used to have colocated shared-rack hosting .. 19:13:16 * andythenorth likes cloud 19:13:23 <TrueBrain> too often the cable got knocked out by others 19:13:28 <andythenorth> yair 19:13:34 <TrueBrain> lucky, if you are a bit nice, you just call who-ever you know is on-duty, and ask him to check 19:13:37 <TrueBrain> they mostly did that .. 19:13:40 <andythenorth> at least with cloud nobody mentions the cable 19:13:41 <TrueBrain> it was a 45 minute drive to the DC :P 19:13:50 <andythenorth> even though clearly sometimes AWS knock the cable out :P 19:14:04 <TrueBrain> as one thing I learned from doing shit in DCs ... befriend the on-duty staff 19:14:13 <TrueBrain> it makes your life so much easier 19:14:50 <dwfreed> cloud is just somebody else's cable 19:14:54 * dwfreed ducks 19:14:57 <TrueBrain> haha, owh, this is also a fun snippet: while LeaseWeb was sponsoring our server, we were put on "Best Effort" (with low priority) 19:15:03 <TrueBrain> so every question took days to get an answer 19:15:12 <TrueBrain> not sure that is the choice I make for "sponsorships" 19:16:26 <TrueBrain> also fun, a year later, LeaseWeb emailed me about a policy update on their servers 19:16:31 <TrueBrain> I kindly asked them to never ever email me again :P 19:16:36 <TrueBrain> yeah, I was pissed at LW :P 19:16:51 <TrueBrain> still wouldn't advise anyone to get hosted there .. 19:20:41 <TrueBrain> other fun fact: OpenTTD's mail archive goes back till the beginning of times :D 19:24:41 <frosch123> i wonder, are there more mails in the inbox or in the archive folder 19:25:04 <frosch123> 50% more in inbox :) 19:25:48 <frosch123> i guess we get more newsletters now 19:26:42 <TrueBrain> my personal mailbox is a lot cleaner :) 19:26:47 <TrueBrain> my inbox is always ~0 mails :) 19:27:13 <frosch123> same with my work inbox 19:27:36 <frosch123> inbox only contains stuff that i got as bcc, or when there is yet another email group 19:27:42 <TrueBrain> I cannot stand people who don't do that .. how do you know which emails you did not reply to? HOW DO YOU MAKE SENSE OUT ALL OF IT?! 19:28:15 <frosch123> anyway, "archive" folder starts in 2008 19:28:20 <frosch123> that is not the beginning of time 19:28:32 <TrueBrain> info@ was created in 2008 I think? 19:29:13 <TrueBrain> not sure how mail was handled before 2008 tbh 19:29:14 <frosch123> really? what was before? 19:29:21 <TrueBrain> tt-forums? :) 19:29:36 <TrueBrain> I really do not know tbh 19:29:41 <TrueBrain> possibly not in my scope :) 19:30:18 <TrueBrain> my first email is also from 2008 19:30:57 <frosch123> wayback machine already lists @openttd in 2006 19:31:15 <frosch123> oh, but there is no info@ 19:31:16 <TrueBrain> I remember when I joined in 2004 there was no shared mailbox 19:31:25 <frosch123> only individual people, and there is no tb but a tl 19:31:29 <TrueBrain> I thought I created it, but .. memory is not the best :P 19:31:52 <frosch123> so, probably your older mail is in tl@ :) 19:31:56 <TrueBrain> ah, that might explain the scope of my mailbox :) 19:32:20 <TrueBrain> my first email is a mess email to all devs :P 19:32:20 <frosch123> lol, the contact page also lists personal homepages 19:32:35 <andythenorth> so....can we get MicroProse to buy the signing certs for Apple and MS? :P 19:33:12 <TrueBrain> 2008-07-31 was the day we switched to sane hosting 19:33:19 <TrueBrain> together with Rb I redid the whole infra 19:33:24 <andythenorth> also my inbox is 42798 messages 19:33:26 <TrueBrain> meant SVN had to be done over SSH 19:33:28 <TrueBrain> the drama :P 19:33:45 <frosch123> oh, i think i have that mail somewhere 19:33:56 <TrueBrain> it was a very lengthy mail 19:34:02 <TrueBrain> as people were .. euh .. well, lets not go into that :P 19:34:04 <andythenorth> am I the only one who has 'rule: message is inbox, mark read'? 19:34:22 <TrueBrain> ah, info@ was an alias of Belugas for the first few :) 19:35:09 <TrueBrain> accidentally, it was also the date we started with git/mercurial :) 19:35:27 <TrueBrain> and the day we deprecated openttd.com 19:35:35 <andythenorth> ah the great mercurial misadventure 19:35:40 <andythenorth> I do not miss all my mercurial repos 19:37:47 <TrueBrain> okay, I am done with a trip down memory lane :P 19:38:22 <frosch123> the plan was to move all coop repos to github. i thought i started with V stuff to get the big ones out of the way. but they exceed the github quotas :) 19:38:37 <TrueBrain> which quotas? :) 19:39:10 <TrueBrain> I am always curious which limits GitHub has for public projects :) 19:39:16 <frosch123> yeti repo is 8 gb 19:39:22 <TrueBrain> lolz 19:39:24 <andythenorth> so the coop repos are still there on the box? It's just redmine that's broken? 19:39:37 <TrueBrain> I guess git doesn't really like images :P 19:39:39 <andythenorth> git is not ideal for large binaries :P 19:39:47 <TrueBrain> shocker! :D 19:39:55 <andythenorth> I thought it had improved blobs a few years ago or something? 19:40:01 <andythenorth> maybe I imagined that 19:40:13 <frosch123> andythenorth: i even have a local copy on my machine from june, though i think some weirdos started committing again 19:40:39 <andythenorth> yeah this is basically the V story https://opensource.com/life/16/8/how-manage-binary-blobs-git-part-7 19:40:43 <frosch123> TrueBrain: well, actually, that's the size of the hg repo. i did not check the size after conversion 19:40:44 <TrueBrain> 8GB of git ... lol 19:41:28 <TrueBrain> checkouts would take some time :D 19:41:45 <andythenorth> FIRS is 328MB it seems 19:41:52 <andythenorth> big enough 19:42:05 <frosch123> but yeti working copy is already 4 GB, so the repo size is not that bad 19:42:34 <TrueBrain> indeed 19:42:36 <TrueBrain> but wtf? :P 19:42:43 <planetmaker> https://kallithea.openttdcoop.org/ <-- @andythenorth that's the more direct interface than redmine 19:43:31 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: while I have you here, did you read the request from me to let me know if your dev-space can be shut down? I would like to deprecate dev-spaces in favour of gist/github 19:43:45 <TrueBrain> you are one of the 3 that ... sometimes, uses it :) 19:43:49 <planetmaker> uh, no, I did not see that yet 19:43:59 <frosch123> TrueBrain: V has about 20 GB in 5 repos on devzone 19:44:11 <planetmaker> hey, it has historical value with the titlegame competitions hosted there :) 19:44:15 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: but I cannot estimate if you have something in your dev-space that couldn't be done by gist/github :) 19:44:22 <frosch123> zbase is nothing in comparison :) 19:44:24 <TrueBrain> frosch123: lolz 19:44:30 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I can archive that, if you like? 19:46:10 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: anyway, please look it over; by the end of next month (September) I would like to shut the dev-spaces down if possible 19:46:20 <TrueBrain> just let me know if there is any blocker or you want anything archived / redirected 19:47:59 <frosch123> i deleted the old bananas dev-vm the other day :) 19:48:14 <TrueBrain> :D It was a nice attempt to get a new BaNaNaS going :) 19:48:30 <TrueBrain> and I am still happy we found a way to make 1.5 instead of 2 :) 19:48:36 <planetmaker> aye. Just sad. Also nice goodies like frosch's or Smatz' dev space offer some marvels from times long past :) 19:49:10 <planetmaker> but I totally understand 19:49:12 <frosch123> my local disk was full last year. then i deleted all vm images that i do no longer need since i have docker. not i have plenty of space again :p 19:49:36 <planetmaker> I wonder ho many MB I use on the devspace :P 19:49:40 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I will offline archive all dev-spaces, so we can always recover anything we want to look back at, but yeah, it is a bit sad :) 19:49:45 <frosch123> planetmaker: good point, i should crawl smatz' 19:49:51 <planetmaker> there's a wine-py36.tgz... now at 500MB+ :P 19:50:15 <TrueBrain> 5.9G ./planetmaker 19:50:27 <planetmaker> :) 19:50:28 <TrueBrain> 3.2G ./frosch 19:50:37 <frosch123> still? i deleted the big files 19:50:38 <TrueBrain> but no worries: 19:50:39 <TrueBrain> 12G ./truebrain 19:50:48 <planetmaker> tehehe 19:51:12 <TrueBrain> frosch123: 2.5G Jul 21 2013 OpenTTDTestServer.vdi 19:51:14 <frosch123> oh, there is another vm copy 19:51:15 <TrueBrain> you did? Really? :) 19:51:22 <TrueBrain> 2013 :D 19:51:29 <frosch123> it's the same bananas test vm 19:51:42 <frosch123> created 2 weeks before the last ottd party :p 19:52:45 <TrueBrain> was that 2013? Damn .... 19:53:14 <planetmaker> drat, that's long time ago 19:53:19 <planetmaker> 20k and 25k parties 19:53:20 <frosch123> i baked unicorn muffins. i tried to decorate them with ottd logos. but it was too warm to make anything lasting with chocolate 19:53:28 <planetmaker> heck, I still live here :P 19:53:35 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: lolz :) 19:53:40 <TrueBrain> well, it was a nice place :) 19:53:59 <TrueBrain> if it wasn't for covid, I would say: lets do another one! 19:54:08 <TrueBrain> weren't there tt-forums meetups? Do they still happen? 19:54:09 <planetmaker> that were two very jolly parties :) 19:54:27 <planetmaker> the meetups never seemed so... international to me 19:54:40 <TrueBrain> no, just a few UK people going to the pub, basically :P 19:54:48 <TrueBrain> our parties were international :) 19:54:53 <TrueBrain> with people driving from the weirdest places :P 19:54:54 <planetmaker> best fun was to sponsor belugas to come :) 19:54:55 <TrueBrain> or flying ... 19:55:00 <TrueBrain> can't believe we did that :D 19:55:13 <planetmaker> yeah, I still consider that crazy as shit. But awesome 19:55:28 <planetmaker> Haven't heard from him in a long time 19:55:33 <frosch123> not as crazy as that danish dude who signed up the evening before 19:55:35 <TrueBrain> nope ... 19:55:50 <TrueBrain> everyone was invited :) 19:55:50 <planetmaker> hehe, true @frosch :) 19:56:10 <TrueBrain> I remember I picked up a few Dutchies .. one I knew who he was without ever meeting him 19:56:13 <TrueBrain> it was just ... obvious :P 19:56:15 <planetmaker> I'd had to have rent a bigger venue than my flat, had we been much more 19:56:57 <planetmaker> hehe, it's a special type of people, indeed 19:57:04 <frosch123> TrueBrain: lonely nerd at the street? 19:57:15 <TrueBrain> he acted out of place, yes 19:57:19 <TrueBrain> :D 19:57:36 <frosch123> anyway. the most upsetting part was the number of macs at the meeting 19:57:53 <TrueBrain> I don't even own a laptop these days ... things really have changed 19:58:14 <frosch123> also no work notebook? 19:58:26 <TrueBrain> that requires having work :D 19:58:42 <frosch123> ah, that strategy 19:59:00 <frosch123> i did not work for 3 months last year. got 1 month worth of tax returns... 19:59:04 <TrueBrain> but yeah, when this whole covid-bla is over, we really should do another .. :D 19:59:25 <TrueBrain> I am just calling it an "extended vacation" :) 19:59:57 <planetmaker> I found it somewhat daring to invite a complete crowd of strangers to my flat and even offer them to stay over night :P 20:00:17 <planetmaker> was a good choice :D 20:00:24 <frosch123> planetmaker: at first you posted your address publicly on the forum. we had to scold you for that 20:00:32 <TrueBrain> the first time I just went home at the end of the evening .. but the second time I remember I really was not up for the task :P 20:00:45 <planetmaker> really? Lol, I forgot that part :P 20:01:02 <TrueBrain> but it was great you could receive us planetmaker :) Was a great place for a bbq :P 20:01:12 <TrueBrain> wasn't it the second time bloody hot? 20:01:19 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:01:24 <planetmaker> was quite warm, yes 20:01:32 * andythenorth sent lego 20:01:35 <andythenorth> or something 20:01:43 <TrueBrain> owh, you were THAT crazy person 20:01:55 <andythenorth> mad 20:01:57 <andythenorth> me 20:02:01 <frosch123> not sure which. but one time i ended up with a ton of mosquito bites 20:02:05 * andythenorth puts the recycling out 20:02:05 <planetmaker> oh, yes! :) 20:02:11 <TrueBrain> who was the crazy person who brought beer from .. where? 20:02:18 <planetmaker> V? 20:02:23 <TrueBrain> I think so 20:02:28 <TrueBrain> he came in with all this crazy beer 20:02:28 <frosch123> yes V brought a barrel 20:02:30 <TrueBrain> like: yeah, I took some 20:02:37 <planetmaker> I think we had some nice Czech beer ,yes 20:02:38 <TrueBrain> that was fun :) 20:03:27 <TrueBrain> my favorite still is the fake 10k cake :) 20:03:34 <frosch123> https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=199063 <- tt-forum meet from 2017 20:03:39 <frosch123> seems to be the latest one 20:03:43 <TrueBrain> I like that there was never a 10k revision, and I like he faked the cake :) 20:04:01 <TrueBrain> it was incredibly mean to remove the 10kth revision btw :P 20:04:20 <planetmaker> haha :) 20:04:29 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it broke when rb rewrote the entire svn history some years later 20:04:41 <TrueBrain> it broke a few more times I can tell you :) 20:05:34 <TrueBrain> but we used to have a "hidden" folder with a few too many commits 20:05:43 <TrueBrain> which was also not ideal :) 20:06:02 <TrueBrain> it did learn me the internals of Subversion, and how fucked up it is :P 20:06:11 <TrueBrain> every 1k commits was also fun, as permissions broke :P 20:06:33 <planetmaker> the fun old times with svn :) 20:06:55 <planetmaker> taught me the ropes of VCS usage, though 20:09:13 <andythenorth> straw poll: do you work with any operations people, and if yes, what's their job title 20:09:41 <planetmaker> hm. no :P 20:10:41 <frosch123> my old company had no job titles. everyone made something up on the spot, when introducting someone to a customer 20:11:57 <frosch123> now i don't think i have contact with anyone who could be considered "operations" 20:12:45 <andythenorth> I prefer the made-up-on-the-spot 20:12:51 <andythenorth> but apparently it's very bad when hiring 20:13:01 <andythenorth> according to a survey my friend did of people applying for jobs 20:13:15 <andythenorth> 'use standard job titles, don't be cute or clever' 20:13:39 <andythenorth> my staff can pretty much adjust job title as needed, as long as they get it done 20:14:09 <frosch123> my current company has two branches of job titles. one for managers on level X, and one for other employees on level X. however, there is also the rule that everyone in r&d (except interns) use the name from the manager branch 20:14:25 <andythenorth> one day I will have levels and grades 20:14:28 <frosch123> so in my group, everyone is titled "xyz manager" :) 20:14:29 <andythenorth> and badges 20:14:31 <andythenorth> loads of badges 20:14:36 <andythenorth> or badgers 20:14:42 <andythenorth> who's terrified of badgers? 20:14:46 <andythenorth> is it the Swedish? 20:14:57 * andythenorth digressed 20:15:09 <frosch123> andythenorth: anyway. job titles are useful once the company is big enough that you do not know everyone 20:15:17 <andythenorth> there's some kind of job, like a traditional sysadmin, doing logs and devices and access audits and crap 20:15:27 <frosch123> if you know everyone, you do not need any rules. people can organise themself 20:15:29 <andythenorth> but I don't have the £80k / year that sysadmins currently demand 20:16:10 <andythenorth> for the price of a sysadmin, I can hire a CEO here 20:16:15 <andythenorth> wonder which is better value :P 20:16:52 <frosch123> at some point the admins showed the assistants how to refill the paper in the printer 20:17:23 <frosch123> but they still have to deal with the toner 20:17:28 <andythenorth> did they want to, or were they made? 20:17:43 <andythenorth> my experience of most of traditional IT is that it's a job protection scheme 20:18:41 <frosch123> no idea. at my old company IT was where you put the people you hired once, but who had trouble switching from fortran to C or something 20:18:51 <frosch123> at may new company, i do not see IT, but it mostly works 20:21:04 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:21:15 <andythenorth> mine mostly works, but I get to see it far too much 20:21:24 <andythenorth> due to IT mostly being compliance now 20:21:34 <andythenorth> and I have to do it 20:22:05 * andythenorth would like to hire a new friend 20:22:40 <andythenorth> I asked Truebrain but he doesn't want to read wifi logs and configure macs all day 20:22:43 <frosch123> yeah, compliance is annoying with public customers 20:22:56 <frosch123> private companies are so much easier 20:23:07 <andythenorth> they have different annoyances :) 20:23:23 * andythenorth has done both 20:23:26 <andythenorth> and charities 20:23:37 <andythenorth> charities are absolutely the worst, every time I worked with them 20:23:49 <andythenorth> not all, but some 20:24:22 <frosch123> well, the funny part is that industrial software is usually huge, old and quite crappy compared to standard software 20:24:50 <frosch123> so, you can look quite good if your own software is not as old 20:26:31 * andythenorth considers a pivot 20:27:31 <frosch123> the flow seems to be: start-up with modern but few stuff => somewhat old but enough functions => huge with tons of legacy stuff where you only know whether someone uses it, if you break it and wait for bug reports :) 20:28:12 <frosch123> i moved from (3) to (2). good choice 20:29:26 <andythenorth> hmm our product went straight from 1 to 3 I think :) 20:29:37 <andythenorth> we skipped 2 :P 20:30:02 <andythenorth> 3 happens quickly if you accept money for specific features from one customer 20:30:47 <frosch123> andythenorth: isn't all your stuff web stuff? you never developed your own gui, or your own pre-c++98 dynamic_cast, did you? 20:30:57 <andythenorth> nope :) 20:31:01 <andythenorth> we did implement RSS though :P 20:31:02 <frosch123> so, you are not 3 20:33:14 <andythenorth> hurrah! 20:35:04 <frosch123> i sold RSS as "modern feature" to a customer in 2011, who was excited about the new possibilities 20:35:36 <frosch123> i think it survived 2 years, until the customer's website was rewritten 20:36:34 <frosch123> (we had nothing to do with web stuff, we only sent the data "via xml") 20:37:02 <andythenorth> more XML 20:37:08 <andythenorth> when is XML for grf happening? 20:37:43 <frosch123> it already exists. you can find it on grf.farm 20:37:48 * andythenorth looks for libaries 20:37:50 <frosch123> it even includes minigames like tw 20:37:52 <andythenorth> libraries 20:38:07 <andythenorth> ok so xml json is a thing 20:38:13 <andythenorth> and we have a json-ish grf format 20:38:47 <andythenorth> YAGL is json-esque https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=86453 20:38:53 <andythenorth> or maybe it's YAML-esque 20:38:56 <andythenorth> I'm never sure 20:39:06 <andythenorth> anyway XML->YAGL->GRF 20:40:59 <frosch123> yagl is such a weird topic 20:41:18 <andythenorth> I enjoy it :) 20:41:23 <andythenorth> someone had a hobby 20:43:14 <andythenorth> unrelated: shall I reskin bananas at christmas? 20:43:22 <andythenorth> not redesign, just improve 20:43:37 <frosch123> people really hate the tt-forums christmas theme 20:44:13 <andythenorth> bananas animated snowflakes 20:44:21 <andythenorth> then animated bananas in July 20:44:51 <frosch123> andythenorth: if you are lucky, you can choose between bananas, eints and wiki :) 20:45:26 <andythenorth> I think I have served my time on the wiki 20:45:55 <andythenorth> is there a newgrf eints on the far horizon? 20:46:28 <frosch123> last estimate was that noone would use it, since they do not trust bots pushing to their repos 20:46:37 <andythenorth> I do not 20:46:46 <andythenorth> I thought bananas could compile it as a remote :P 20:47:02 <frosch123> quite sure that will never happen :) 20:47:31 <frosch123> otherwise bananas could also compile ottd patches 20:48:03 <frosch123> and send parcels with cookies 20:48:27 <frosch123> hmm, or parcels with real bananas 20:49:10 <andythenorth> or bananas with cookies 20:49:45 * andythenorth wonders about a github pipeline that does 'git pull [remote]' and 'make' 20:50:05 <andythenorth> I just no longer want to give randoms access to arbitrary repos 20:50:19 <andythenorth> it's hard to make a risk case for it 20:50:40 <frosch123> would you be willing to approve+merge a PR before every release? 20:50:56 <andythenorth> if it was very infrequent yes 20:51:49 <andythenorth> presumably that depends on the release cycle? 20:51:50 <frosch123> like when eints creates a PR whenever it has new translations. and updates the PR whenever it has more, until it is merged. then it creates the next PR when it has new stuff again 20:52:29 <andythenorth> yes 20:52:30 <frosch123> so as long as there are constantly translators working, you would always have 1 open PR with latest translation updates, that you can merge when you like to 20:52:40 <andythenorth> reading the diffs would be defense enough 20:52:56 *** tokai has joined #openttd 20:52:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 20:53:08 <andythenorth> I'm not worried about really esoteric attacks using buffer overflows or something 20:53:23 <andythenorth> just people sticking in eval() or whatever and me missing it 20:59:47 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 21:01:41 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:03:12 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:14:53 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 21:22:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 21:24:06 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: We went to the London Transport Museum, not just the pub! :D 21:32:41 * andythenorth goes to the bed 21:32:48 <andythenorth> bye ;) 21:32:49 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:39:06 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:12:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:58:55 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC