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00:20:16 *** Progman has quit IRC 01:58:57 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 02:26:59 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 03:51:00 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 03:51:18 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 03:53:37 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 05:15:24 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:03:48 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:23:47 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:35:15 *** Progman has joined #openttd 07:46:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:47:01 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 07:51:06 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 08:33:39 <andythenorth> Timberwolf bonus points for the BBC Basic intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBaVwwuErmU 11:08:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] FilmBoy84 commented on issue #59: Base-music tarballs created are incompatible with OpenTTD client https://git.io/JJuy0 11:27:30 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 11:27:43 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 11:36:57 *** Laedek has quit IRC 11:48:06 *** tokai has joined #openttd 11:48:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 11:55:05 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 12:24:02 *** Progman has quit IRC 12:53:28 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 13:18:45 <Timberwolf> andythenorth: That whole series was so well observed. Even the incidental props like the Look Around You textbook were exactly right. 13:19:59 <andythenorth> we made this, which in retrospect may have been subliminally influenced by Look Around You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-LTqYNJBa0&t=2s 13:20:07 <andythenorth> I don't remember ever watching Look Around You though 13:23:52 <Timberwolf> Do they still have the old public information films in schools, or did someone realise that showing something like "Apaches" to 6 year old children is a bit on the strong side? 13:27:57 <Timberwolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-JfnhABs9U was a good one. 13:34:01 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:03:37 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 14:12:01 <andythenorth> we had one about not playing on the pit tips 14:12:14 <andythenorth> and they used to send a train driver round to talk to us about not playing on the train lines 14:12:22 <andythenorth> with graphic stories of running someone over 14:16:08 <FLHerne> This one was good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXGqwCbeFD8 14:17:03 <FLHerne> Hm, I'm sure there was another bit 14:42:19 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 14:44:01 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:07:45 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:05:26 *** b_jonas has joined #openttd 17:01:38 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:03:35 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 17:26:19 <andythenorth> I read an interesting forest management post 17:26:25 <andythenorth> might be nonsense 17:26:49 <andythenorth> but analyses the lack of natural burning in California in the last ~100 years due to human fire suppression 17:26:56 <andythenorth> and the resulting fuel load that has stockpiled 17:27:13 <andythenorth> and the fire-suppression-contractor business in CA 17:27:36 *** b_jonas has left #openttd 17:32:17 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:51:26 *** mobajl has joined #openttd 17:59:25 *** mobajl has quit IRC 18:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: "man's very existence is linked to the white element"... maybe they're gonna want to redo that sencence? :p 18:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm not convinced i'm learning anything from that video 18:18:27 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:24:50 <andythenorth> well done :) 18:24:54 <andythenorth> you are doing it correctly 18:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they did mispronounce "milchig" 18:30:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i like the "can you guess <X>? [small pause] Correct." thing, which nobody viewing can possibly be correct about :p 18:30:39 *** Samu has joined #openttd 18:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> also, that probably 30-something year old guy posing as a student. :) 18:36:35 <supermop_Home> hi andythenorth 18:37:05 <andythenorth> hi 18:37:34 <TrueBrain> can someone approve https://github.com/OpenTTD/BaNaNaS/pull/65 ? I kinda broke the download on live BaNaNaS now :D 18:38:13 <TrueBrain> frosch123: would you be able to look over the bugs_in_prod branches of yesterday, so I can move the new master-server to production for testing tomorrow? :D 18:38:35 <supermop_Home> andythenorth there's at least one kind of bunk climatologist post making the rounds lately on that, if that's the one you're talking about 18:38:37 <TrueBrain> s/production/pre-production/ :) 18:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: now. i'm obliged to present you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg ... an ACTUAL educational video 18:39:35 <andythenorth> supermop_Home this was from a forest manager advocating that CA forests naturally burnt on an annual basis 18:39:43 <andythenorth> and that we have suppressed that 18:39:50 <andythenorth> and we're not practicing controlled burn 18:40:02 <supermop_Home> wondering - hinoki soap smells good, but kind of like creosote... can you make anti-inflamatories out of pine tar/creosote? or does it have to be coal? 18:40:22 <andythenorth> there is a lot on wikipedia about creosote / tar 18:40:29 <andythenorth> I read it for FIRS, but I forget the details 18:40:39 <TrueBrain> owh, wait, that BaNaNaS PR I can overrule, w00p, good enough :) 18:40:41 <supermop_Home> i want my fancy artisanal hinoki acetaminophen 18:41:07 <frosch123> TrueBrain: just curious, did you reupload the tarball? 18:41:11 <frosch123> or did the author do that 18:41:12 <TrueBrain> yes 18:41:16 <TrueBrain> I did 18:41:37 <TrueBrain> I created the tarball on my local machine by running a dev-version of BaNaNaS, and overwrote the S3 file 18:41:42 <TrueBrain> I forgot the filesize was slightly bigger :P 18:41:56 <TrueBrain> ty kind frosch123 :) 18:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_Home: it's organic chemistry. you can transform everything to everything, it's just carbon and hydrogen in various structures, sprinkled in with a bit of oxygen and nitrogen 18:42:06 <supermop_Home> Neutrogena makes a coal tar dandruff shampoo.... i feel like that would sell a lot better if it was 'pine extract' or whatever 18:42:09 <frosch123> TrueBrain: https://github.com/OpenTTD/bananas-api/issues/59 <- does the guy already know? 18:42:30 <TrueBrain> I am about to reply to him about it, so no :P 18:42:38 <TrueBrain> there is a reason why I was doing this ;) 18:42:57 <andythenorth> organic chemistry is nuts 18:43:20 <andythenorth> I really didn't understand the extent that we can A <-> B <-> C in industrial processes 18:43:36 <andythenorth> as long as we have catalysts and energy 18:43:58 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] frosch123 approved pull request #4: Several bugs found while bringing this to production https://git.io/JUc7N 18:44:16 <frosch123> i think i already looked at that the other day... and forgot to press the approve button :p 18:44:26 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain commented on issue #59: Base-music tarballs created are incompatible with OpenTTD client https://git.io/JJuy0 18:44:33 <frosch123> or you had a very similar PR in some other repo 18:44:38 <TrueBrain> I do :) 18:44:42 <TrueBrain> master-server-web has one too :D 18:47:33 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/master-server-web/pull/5 to be precise :D It looks very similar .. just the content is completely different :P 18:48:45 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 commented on pull request #5: Several bugs found while bringing this to production https://git.io/JUc5k 18:49:39 <TrueBrain> frosch123: in this case I used "None", as "filter" can never be None if the function was called via Flask 18:49:48 <TrueBrain> it can only be None if it is called via the other function 18:49:58 <TrueBrain> but I can split it in a new function, and call that from both 18:50:00 <TrueBrain> might be cleaner 18:50:11 <frosch123> what does flask for "/listing/" ? 18:50:26 <frosch123> is it servers_all, servers("") or 404? 18:51:10 <TrueBrain> euuh .. no clue! 18:51:15 <TrueBrain> but in my new code it will list all :P 18:51:52 <frosch123> sure, but some places test for " != None", while other just do the bool test 18:52:34 <frosch123> or "== None" in one place even 18:52:58 <frosch123> does jinja compare with None? 18:53:01 <TrueBrain> ah, no /listing/ gives a 404 18:53:04 <TrueBrain> Flask is rather strict it seems :) 18:53:32 <TrueBrain> "== None" is because Jinja is odd .. but I am going to remove the Nones :) 18:53:52 <frosch123> i would have expected the "", not the 404 :) 18:54:51 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #5: Several bugs found while bringing this to production https://git.io/JUn7G 18:55:04 <TrueBrain> there, that should be a bit more clean 18:55:31 <TrueBrain> it was indeed a bit messy :) 18:57:08 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 approved pull request #5: Several bugs found while bringing this to production https://git.io/JUc5l 18:57:27 <TrueBrain> ty frosch123 , much appreciated! Going to merge them tomorrow if I enabled auto-deployments on them :) 18:57:55 <TrueBrain> I am going to be so happy if I can disable the old master-server .. means only very minor things are running on the old old old VM :) 18:58:03 <TrueBrain> which are easy to migrate away :) 18:58:22 <TrueBrain> like https://security.openttd.org/en 18:58:29 <TrueBrain> with its last entry from 2013 .. 18:59:07 <TrueBrain> going to add it to the main website I think 18:59:16 <TrueBrain> easy enough 18:59:28 <frosch123> i thought it was already there :o 18:59:36 <TrueBrain> it is not :) 19:00:04 <TrueBrain> and I think, except for some redirect domains, that is everything there is on the old old old VM .. hmm .. that will be interesting to investigate if that is true :P 19:00:23 <TrueBrain> well, I only have to check the web-server config and the router configuration 19:00:31 <TrueBrain> but I am unsure about all the cronjobs etc etc :P 19:01:15 <frosch123> i guess svn-archive is on the old old vm :p 19:01:26 <TrueBrain> it is .. I just wanted to silently make it die 19:01:36 <TrueBrain> it is now, what, 3 years? since we migrated to GitHub 19:01:38 <TrueBrain> 2.5? 19:02:03 <frosch123> it's the only place that still has pngcodec :p 19:02:27 <frosch123> and the old old website :p 19:02:44 <TrueBrain> do you want to keep it around? 19:02:51 <TrueBrain> (either of the two, or the svn-archive?) 19:02:56 <frosch123> do you think it can deal with the heat of the fire? 19:03:11 <frosch123> TrueBrain: no. otherwise i would have ported it to git 19:03:16 <TrueBrain> fair enough :P 19:03:20 <TrueBrain> okay, so we burn it with some fire :) 19:03:24 <TrueBrain> I do have backups btw ;) 19:03:35 <TrueBrain> I have backups of really everything :P 19:03:51 <TrueBrain> which reminds me, I should setup an automated off-site (off-AWS) backup for BaNaNaS content 19:03:54 <frosch123> be careful with the backup wifes 19:04:11 <TrueBrain> I don't have a wife, so that solved that issue :D 19:04:26 <TrueBrain> it was a close call, I have to say :P 19:04:31 *** gelignite has quit IRC 19:04:48 <TrueBrain> nice troll btw, I have to remember that one :) 19:05:42 <TrueBrain> right, hopefully I can finish that this weekend :D After that .. eints and wiki :P 19:05:46 <TrueBrain> (sorry ..) 19:06:27 <TrueBrain> owh, and DorpsGek ! That will be a fun project :D 19:06:33 <frosch123> i should look into eints. next week is cppcon, after the videos are uploaded i will spend too much time watching them :p 19:07:04 <frosch123> did we find anyone who likes ruby yet? 19:07:05 <TrueBrain> the Team repo is ready too; there too I only have to configure GitHub permissions 19:07:22 <TrueBrain> everyone ran away :( You can make an issue out of it on the gollum repo, see if they can help 19:07:45 <frosch123> haha, that's the problem. there are at least 3 repos involved 19:07:58 <frosch123> gollum, github-markup and wikicloth 19:07:59 <TrueBrain> you can always ask them :) 19:08:18 <TrueBrain> at least you know they know Ruby :) 19:08:32 <TrueBrain> and if they want people to use their software, they might help out a bit, even outside the scope of their own code 19:08:32 <frosch123> and for some reason i found no logs or anything, so i only have the top-level "it does not work" :( 19:08:52 <TrueBrain> minimal test setup? And if you describe what you tried, mostly people will feel sorry for you and help :D 19:09:16 <TrueBrain> otherwise, share with us what you are trying and what is failing, maybe one of us can take a look 19:10:21 <TrueBrain> make a nice gist out of your problem description : 19:10:22 <TrueBrain> D 19:15:43 <frosch123> TrueBrain: https://github.com/frosch123/gollum-test 19:16:08 <frosch123> that creates a gollum wiki mediawiki support 19:16:22 <TrueBrain> I will check it out tomorrow :) 19:16:32 <frosch123> but it fails for any type of template inclusion, even for templates without parameters 19:16:39 <andythenorth> wiki -> fandom :P 19:16:50 <TrueBrain> an example of that is in there? 19:17:04 <frosch123> no :) 19:24:04 <TrueBrain> would you mind adding one? :D 19:24:14 <TrueBrain> as asking me to figure that out ... I am not sure I will ever :P 19:24:24 <TrueBrain> (never did anything with mediawiki) 19:24:33 <TrueBrain> well, install the software, ofc :D 19:26:47 <frosch123> TrueBrain: https://github.com/frosch123/gollum-test/issues/1 19:27:48 <TrueBrain> <3 19:31:32 <frosch123> TrueBrain: in addition to that. i already have a bot that crawls the entire current wiki, and converts it into a gollum compatible git repo 19:31:41 <TrueBrain> nice :D 19:31:52 <frosch123> it needs some fine tuning and testing whether all the templates work. but the api queries work 19:34:07 <frosch123> TrueBrain: oh, in case you wonder. above docker does not auth stuff. that's yet another plugin/gollum fork, that i did not try yet 19:39:02 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:40:10 <TrueBrain> I was not :P But tnx :D 19:40:18 <TrueBrain> I will check how rusty my Ruby knowledge is :P 19:51:35 <andythenorth> MDM is so fucked up 19:51:51 <andythenorth> in the name of security, it puts huge back doors into your devices 19:52:19 <andythenorth> and then you have the choice of use the vendor's SaaS in the cloud (yay!) 19:52:29 <andythenorth> or Run It On Premise Because Security 19:52:42 <andythenorth> which will probably get fucked up, and you own yourself 19:53:05 <andythenorth> MDM vendor: remotely observe the screen of any managed device on demand 20:13:19 <andythenorth> oh some of this is quite cool though 20:13:26 <andythenorth> there are some neat BYOD solutions 20:13:37 <andythenorth> or I am falling for vendor marketing 20:15:40 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 20:16:58 *** timmy has joined #openttd 20:36:53 <frosch123> andythenorth: tell your kids to stop emailing info@ottd 20:37:03 <frosch123> "Hey! I've been playing the game for multiple years, and I've really been impressed with your coding for the train pathfinding and signalling. Would it be possible for you to make a version of that for DCC model railroads?" 20:37:24 <andythenorth> oof 20:37:45 <andythenorth> well it would be a project 20:38:10 * andythenorth currently reading many enterprise IT security tutorials 20:38:19 <andythenorth> a world I have successfully avoided so far 20:40:08 <frosch123> i think "enterprise linux" means: we use versions that are so old, that we can use the fixes of later versions to list known bugs. a known documented bug is better than a fixed bug or so 20:42:15 <FLHerne> andythenorth, TrueBrain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtJAsvJOlhM 20:44:43 <andythenorth> frosch123 I used to use that approach :| 20:44:49 <TrueBrain> FLHerne: lol :) 20:44:56 <andythenorth> but now I am contractually obliged to install updates rapidly 20:45:11 <andythenorth> which is somewhat optimistic about the quality of OS and application vendors 20:45:27 <andythenorth> like the Apple OS update that enabled root with no password needed 20:45:37 <TrueBrain> FLHerne: he cheats with IoT, that is unfair! 20:46:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: or the rapid os updates that distributed the rapid intel patches, which bricked the cpus 20:54:10 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:03:45 <andythenorth> yes 21:03:47 <andythenorth> this 21:13:05 <FLHerne> "While our app waits for that API response the user is entertained by a spinning beach ball whose movements are simulated by an embedded physics engine compiled to WebASM and rendered using WebGL. Of course there's a fall back to a purely JavaScript and <marquee> based implementation transpiled from ES 6 to something that works on IE11 because that's the majority of our user base." 21:13:29 <andythenorth> no Flash? 21:14:06 <FLHerne> No, that was 2010 21:15:15 <andythenorth> I think they missed the opportunity to use animated SVG 21:15:22 <andythenorth> or is marquee doing that? 21:23:53 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:24:54 *** jhq has joined #openttd 21:28:09 *** jback has quit IRC 21:28:15 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:51:09 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:58:50 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:11:43 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 22:31:53 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:31:14 *** Progman has quit IRC