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02:23:00 *** tokai has joined #openttd 02:23:00 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 02:29:53 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 02:40:11 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 02:43:38 *** DorpsGek_III has joined #openttd 02:43:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #8215: Industry build cost does not take into account land clear costs https://git.io/Jf9vv 02:43:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 closed issue #8215: Industry build cost does not take into account land clear costs https://git.io/Jf9vv 03:02:03 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 04:07:35 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:31:51 *** dwfreed has quit IRC 04:32:49 *** dwfreed has joined #openttd 06:03:39 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:14:21 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:59:31 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 07:25:17 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:33:38 *** Progman has joined #openttd 07:37:43 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:00:58 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 09:01:19 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 09:26:07 <andythenorth> yo 11:12:33 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 11:14:26 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 11:31:47 <FLHerne> andythenorth: What the heck was https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/8215 ? 11:33:14 <FLHerne> We already have shift-click to discover the precise cost of building something in particular circumstances 11:33:52 <FLHerne> If anyone cares about a 0.1% difference in cost, which apparently James103 does despite that being completely absurd 11:35:04 <_dp_> FLHerne, I don't think shift-click works for industries :p 11:35:56 <_dp_> or, well, it does but it just reports the funding price without land clear 11:36:28 <_dp_> and it's probably a pita to fix since it involves newgrfs 11:37:59 <FLHerne> _dp_: Industries don't currently have a land clearance cost 11:38:28 <FLHerne> andy was, if I understand, objecting to adding one because it wouldn't be shown 11:40:33 <_dp_> oh, right, I misread that bug 11:41:18 <_dp_> but, it will still be a royal pita to implement :p 11:59:30 <LordAro> indeed 12:08:26 *** y2kboy23 has quit IRC 12:39:44 <andythenorth> FLHerne I am guessing that James is not neurotypical, might be inappropriate, but that's my guess 12:39:56 <andythenorth> I'm often tempted to reply 'wtf?' but I don't think that's helpful 12:40:44 <andythenorth> I think in my replies I was being a dick, and I should have been better BTH 12:40:48 <andythenorth> (TBH) 12:40:52 <andythenorth> not proud of those ones 12:57:56 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:57:56 *** crem1 is now known as crem 13:00:21 *** supermop_Home_ has joined #openttd 13:16:58 *** Progman has quit IRC 13:50:08 <andythenorth> https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/10/debian_project_address/ 13:50:11 <andythenorth> The biggest issue, though, is the people, not the processes. The work is demanding, he said. “Debian is a bottomless pit of problems. It’s inherent in the work we do." 13:50:25 <andythenorth> replace Debian / OpenTTD? o_O 13:53:15 <LordAro> andythenorth: it's a constant OSS problem 13:53:20 <LordAro> as i'm sure you know 13:54:48 <andythenorth> Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom 14:33:49 *** y2kboy23 has joined #openttd 15:36:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 15:46:58 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 16:04:12 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 16:08:53 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:13:13 *** Samu has joined #openttd 16:14:42 <andythenorth> yo entertain me 16:15:50 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:22:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure it's even worse in closed source project, just you'll never hear about those 16:32:19 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:35:15 <andythenorth> it's the same bottomless pit of problems 16:35:23 <andythenorth> but it can be alleviated with money 16:35:37 <andythenorth> and at some point, you stop work 16:35:58 <andythenorth> OSS has this self-imposed obligation to keep going, beyond all reasonable obligation 16:38:43 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:47:37 <Timberwolf> In the commercial world you need "enterprise" companies for that. 16:48:13 <andythenorth> or game dev 16:48:33 <andythenorth> or agency web dev 16:49:24 <Timberwolf> The record I saw personally was 3 years and about £3.6m on something which over its life had 24 customers... 22 of which were staff using an introductory "1p for a year" subscription. 16:50:36 <andythenorth> ouch 16:50:40 <Timberwolf> £280.20 of gross revenue, it was shut down after they put something like another £500k into it trying to get a 25th subscriber. 16:51:34 <andythenorth> I have definitely been involved in that kind of fallacy 16:51:47 <andythenorth> but with many fewer 0s on the end 16:51:59 <Timberwolf> Past a certain point you get taken over by sunk cost fallacy. 16:52:53 <_dp_> TrueBrain, is api server list not updated anymore? what should I use to get consistent data without having to make adjustments every time you switch versions back and forth? 16:52:55 <andythenorth> true sunk cost eventually becomes obvious 16:53:03 <andythenorth> zombie businesses are a killer though 16:53:10 <andythenorth> they're always just about to make money 16:53:17 <andythenorth> jam tomorrow 16:53:19 <Timberwolf> Yes, also been there :) 16:53:44 <andythenorth> they never quite do the decent thing and implode 17:02:51 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:10:37 <SpComb> *g* 17:24:30 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:40:12 <TrueBrain> _dp_: I rolled back the deployment of yesterday due to two critical bugs I couldn't resolve quickly. One I still don't know what is causing it, the other I don't have a clean solution for as of yet. Why the API still returns servers .. that is a third bug I guess :) 17:40:59 <TrueBrain> ah, no, I know why .. and it is because one of the two critical bugs :) 17:49:49 <TrueBrain> in ~10 minutes the API should be empty again :P (when ever the cleanup kicks in) 17:51:13 <TrueBrain> (and _dp_ , I have no clue what you mean with "every time you switch versions back and forth?" .. if you refer to the rollback, that is kinda a rude statement, so I am sure that is not what is meant :P) 18:07:25 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:09:02 <_dp_> should I've added a smile? :p 18:09:08 <TrueBrain> clearly :) 18:09:28 <_dp_> whatever, don't mind me, I'm just a bit annoyed that stuff keeps breaking :p 18:09:55 <TrueBrain> tell me about it :( 18:12:02 <TrueBrain> but from the other side, realise I spent quiet a bit of free time in this, to find out it breaks in production .. ;) 18:42:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] standaniels commented on issue #8296: Non-latin text language not showing in mac os https://git.io/JJxmQ 19:15:58 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 19:20:24 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 19:21:46 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:23:34 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:30:11 <TrueBrain> did I miss frosch again? Darn it :P My clients says poorly who joins and leaves 19:41:39 <TrueBrain> meh .. the issue is with master-server is that it is requesting game-info from a container (a new outgoing connection), and AWS ECS doesn't really support IPv6 yet. So I have 3 shitty choices: 1) use awsvpc, which means a redeployment will be difficult. 2) use net=host, which means a redeployment will be difficult. 3) make a "repeater" where all "game info" requests are sent to on an EC2 instance that does talk IPv6 over IPv4, which does the r 19:41:40 <TrueBrain> request, and let the container know the reply .. 19:41:47 <TrueBrain> 3) is easy, but really dirty ... 19:41:56 <TrueBrain> 1 and 2 are .. well, pretty sure that is not going to work 19:41:59 <TrueBrain> meh ... 19:45:15 <TrueBrain> guess for 3 I can use a SOCKS proxy .. 19:46:03 *** Progman has joined #openttd 19:54:52 <TrueBrain> that would be relative clean .. hmm .. worth testing tomorrow :) 19:58:11 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 20:09:35 <andythenorth> life is dirty :P 20:13:18 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 20:19:02 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 20:24:59 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:52:55 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:32:13 <andythenorth> bed 21:32:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:52:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 21:58:20 <dwfreed> TrueBrain: just make sure your proxy is secure 21:58:44 <dwfreed> Don't want to be running an open proxy 22:20:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] FilmBoy84 commented on issue #59: Base-music tarballs created are incompatible with OpenTTD client https://git.io/JJuy0 22:30:59 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:36:17 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:41:27 *** Progman_ has joined #openttd 22:46:17 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:47:33 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:48:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:52:42 * _dp_ error: ‘pain’ is not a member of ‘std’; did you mean ‘pair’? 22:57:52 <dwfreed> that's totally wrong :D 23:27:16 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:30:34 *** gelignite has quit IRC