Log for #openttd on 15th September 2020:
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10:47:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne approved pull request #159: Doc: Changelog for 0.5.3
10:47:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne merged pull request #159: Doc: Changelog for 0.5.3
10:49:32  <FLHerne> Oh, damn, I missed something :p
10:52:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne opened pull request #160: Fix: Date for 0.5.3 release...
10:52:39  <LordAro> lol
10:52:55  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #160: Fix: Date for 0.5.3 release...
10:55:48  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne merged pull request #160: Fix: Date for 0.5.3 release...
11:03:17  <andythenorth_> \o/
11:03:29  <andythenorth_> including release dates in the changelog is possibly lolz
11:04:47  <FLHerne> We should make the release script add them
11:04:59  <FLHerne> I've written a TT-Forums post
11:05:06  <FLHerne> (using the script :D_
11:05:21  <andythenorth_> awesome
11:05:24  <FLHerne> At this rate, I may recover the time I spent writing that before I die :p
11:05:55  <FLHerne> ...the release script should post on TT-Forums :D
11:06:04  <FLHerne> Does phpBB have any usable API?
11:06:05  <LordAro> lol
11:08:35  <andythenorth_> I bumped the thread title
11:30:43  <TrueBrain> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne created new tag: 0.5.3
11:30:48  <TrueBrain> clearly .dorpsgek.yml needs fixing :)
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13:00:00  <supermop_Home> yo
13:33:19  <TrueBrain> the OpenTTD wiki pushes ~120GB a month .. lol
13:33:41  <andythenorth_> do we need an image CDN? :P
13:33:47  * andythenorth_ pure guessing
13:33:49  <andythenorth_> hello supermop_Home
13:34:04  <TrueBrain> if that bandwidth is an issue, we should slap cloudflare in front of it tbfh :P
13:34:12  <TrueBrain> but it just made me giggle how actively used the wiki is
13:34:50  <TrueBrain> owh ... "" is not a plain redirect .. it does some logic with the URL parameters .. owh joy :)
13:37:52  <TrueBrain> right, there are like ~10 redirect domains on OpenTTD .. so far I have been making a separate cloudfront for each domain, just because it is easier .. but this will be a bit noisy .. do I care? Hmm, I guess not
13:40:36  <TrueBrain> the migration is starting to near completion .. just a few things remaining I can do, and a few others have to do .. :)
13:43:08  <TrueBrain> owh, and there is still the matter of email .. yes .. I forgot ..
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14:14:24  <supermop_Home> does Debussy go on the shelf in the D section, or alphabetical by pianist?
14:15:17  <andythenorth_> supermop_Home you are playing the wrong game
14:16:33  <andythenorth_> all physical filing systems suffer from needing to be n-dimensional where they can only (usually) be 1-dimensional
14:16:40  <andythenorth_> this is the same problem as sorting lego
14:17:03  <andythenorth_> or trains
14:17:14  <andythenorth_> supermop_Home there is one true solution however
14:17:16  <andythenorth_>
14:20:45  <Timberwolf> I did that with my CDs once, before I got to the point where "still fits in the cupboard" became the overwhelming concern of any organisational system.
14:21:57  <andythenorth_> I sold all my CDs
14:22:11  <andythenorth_> and I have been giving away a lot of books on the street
14:22:21  <andythenorth_> I might clear out the lego next
14:33:53  <supermop_Home> i have grown vinyl by about 10" during covid
14:34:03  <supermop_Home> will not be fun next move
14:34:24  <supermop_Home> CDs are long since relocated to parents house
14:36:02  <supermop_Home> I've thought about moving to by label / catalog #
14:37:47  <supermop_Home> andythenorth_ this is my old bosses:
15:25:32  <andythenorth_> supermop_Home that's a really nice picture tonally
15:25:37  <andythenorth_> did I send you the braun site?
15:25:41  <FLHerne> Yeah, my bookshelves are a case of "now where did I last see that?"
15:26:18  <andythenorth_> supermop_Home
15:29:13  <FLHerne> On this shelf next to me, I have a pocket guide to Venice, "Fowler's Modern English Usage, second edition, revised by Sir Ernest Gowers and competely reset", "Animals: tracks, trails and signs", a Pentax camera manual, and "The Tale of jemima Puddle-Duck"
15:29:36  <FLHerne> Oh, and 'Waiting for Godot'
15:31:31  <Eddi|zuHause> i've never seen any of those
15:37:11  <supermop_Home> andythenorth_ he was well known to us when i worked at vitsoe
15:38:12  <supermop_Home> the color think can work though, if you associate the gestalt of the album cover with the feeling of listening to it
15:38:51  <supermop_Home> something i had in high school when i had maybe 60 CDs, not anymore when my options for listening to music are essentially boundless
15:39:17  <supermop_Home> also if the spine color doesn't match the cover you are screwed
15:39:56  <supermop_Home> i used to collect braun objects for awhile, but not much of the big stuff like my boss
15:40:15  <supermop_Home> the PS500 turntable in that pic is a super rare 60hz version
15:40:46  <supermop_Home> basically made to be sold to USAF officers posted to Rammstein AFB
15:46:56  <Timberwolf>
15:47:23  <Timberwolf> Damn it.
15:48:24  <Timberwolf> I would like to do the open shelves thing but I imagine with two dogs it'd be a disaster.
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15:54:47  <supermop_Home> Timberwolf do your dogs have poor taste in music?
15:56:24  <Timberwolf> They destroyed a Grand Budapest Hotel Blu-Ray, so they're definitely not aligned on film tastes.
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17:31:52  <TrueBrain> frosch123: did you know has some kind of wacky php script to redirect everything to the grfcrawler with different URL parameters? :P
17:32:31  <frosch123> yes, it's the only time i wrote php
17:32:49  <frosch123> and it was your idea to use php
17:33:02  <TrueBrain>
17:33:06  <TrueBrain> yeah, using PHP is fine
17:33:14  <TrueBrain> but why the change of parameters :P
17:33:32  <TrueBrain> to do with how the client implemented it?
17:33:37  <frosch123> we wanted a sane url for ottd, than we can adapt for whatever
17:33:45  <TrueBrain> ah :) Fair enough :)
17:33:49  <TrueBrain> well, now I need to port this to Javascript :P
17:33:53  <TrueBrain> should be easy enough .. I think
17:33:54  <frosch123> grfcrawler was already considered dead in 2008
17:34:28  <TrueBrain> so we should add something to bananas-web to do this properly, you say?
17:35:06  <frosch123> no, why?
17:35:14  <TrueBrain> more chance on hits!
17:35:25  <TrueBrain> grfcrawler still is .. euh .. empty
17:35:26  <frosch123> ottd already searches bananas
17:35:47  <frosch123> there is no point in reporting bananas stuff in grfsearch
17:35:55  <frosch123> grfsearch is specific for things not on bananas
17:36:03  <TrueBrain> ah .. okay
17:36:06  <TrueBrain> so we keep redirecting it
17:36:07  <andythenorth_> :o grfcrawler
17:36:07  <TrueBrain> fine :P
17:36:10  <andythenorth_> still in use
17:36:22  <frosch123> and thus, i think it's the job of bananas-haters to implement a better grfcrawler
17:36:29  <frosch123> not our job
17:36:37  <TrueBrain> fair enough
17:36:58  <andythenorth_> oh I'm even logged into it
17:37:12  <frosch123> forum sso
17:37:25  <frosch123> what are you doing on forums though :p
17:37:48  <andythenorth_> nml got released
17:38:08  <frosch123> ah, the andy cycle :)
17:38:18  <frosch123> yesterday you told me about quitting nml :p
17:38:24  <andythenorth_> I had to change the topic title as I started it
17:38:34  <andythenorth_> FLHerne released it :D
17:38:51  <andythenorth_> now I just have to do 3 nml tickets, and I can wash my hands of it
17:39:41  <andythenorth_> I have to pay off my NRT debts
17:39:45  <TrueBrain> holy crap, it took me a while to find a server with NewGRFs not on BaNaNaS
17:39:46  <TrueBrain> lol
17:39:56  <andythenorth_> Bananas won
17:40:03  <andythenorth_> except where it didn't
17:40:06  <TrueBrain> it never was losing ;)
17:41:09  <frosch123> did bananas2 win over bananas1 yet?
17:41:59  <TrueBrain> most uses of grfsearch is with an empty search string :)
17:42:31  <frosch123> yes, that's when you just press the button
17:42:42  <frosch123> search by text is when you already searched with text on bananas before
17:42:53  <TrueBrain> I noticed, yes :)
17:42:54  <frosch123> search by grfid is only for savegames
17:42:57  <TrueBrain> about 100 people a day press the button
17:42:58  <frosch123> so, no surprise :)
17:43:02  <TrueBrain> curious people, I am sure :P
17:43:17  <TrueBrain> next-up are some grfids . I am guessing joining a server
17:43:26  <TrueBrain> 3 times a day, on average
17:43:36  <frosch123> my finger also slips sometimes, and i just click something
17:43:38  <TrueBrain> first search-text is zbase
17:43:59  <TrueBrain> cztr next
17:44:03  <TrueBrain> not many text searches
17:44:09  <frosch123> and both are on bananas :p
17:44:12  <TrueBrain> most are savegame/server
17:44:51  <TrueBrain> guess an empty search should go to the frontpage
17:45:06  <TrueBrain> well, should be easy to javascript-ify this
17:45:09  <frosch123> isn't that line 15?
17:45:56  <TrueBrain> main difficulty will be testing if urlencode is needed or not in the land of javascript
17:46:03  <TrueBrain> it really depends on how the query parameters are given
17:46:13  <TrueBrain> and boy this will be difficult to test :D
17:46:31  <frosch123> also, 15% of authors migrated 30% of the packages to bananas2
17:46:36  <frosch123> so, bananas1 is still ahead
17:46:49  <andythenorth_> is there a sunset date?
17:46:55  <TrueBrain> it is BaNaNaS v1.5 ! :P v2 is still in the works :P :P
17:47:09  <frosch123> oh, right
17:47:15  <TrueBrain> andythenorth_: there is .. few months ago :P
17:47:41  <TrueBrain> v1 no longer exists in reality; it is now only a paper tiger
17:48:29  <frosch123> andythenorth_: it's like your 3 ticket list
17:48:41  <frosch123> once everyone has migrated, i can be sure there won't be more mails
17:49:10  <TrueBrain> so never :D
17:49:20  <frosch123> otherwise migration ends when ldap data is lost or so
17:49:56  <TrueBrain> owh, right, you need LDAP for cross validation .. that is a fair point
17:50:16  <TrueBrain> today I almost shut down the VM with grfsearch on it :P
17:50:30  <TrueBrain> it was only that I couldn't find the script, that I found out it was on that VM :D
17:50:48  <TrueBrain> I never updated the motd to tell me that :P
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17:55:24  <TrueBrain> right, cleaned up the DNS a bit ..
17:55:34  <TrueBrain> so many records that were no longer used :P
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18:10:10  <supermop_Home> more records in todays mail
18:10:23  <supermop_Home> i need an intervention
18:10:45  <supermop_Home> andythenorth_ one of them is a dieter rams record
18:10:51  <andythenorth_> :o
18:13:30  <supermop_Home> to go on my vitsoe shelf
18:15:44  <supermop_Home> well it is a Brian Eno soundtrack to a dieter rams movie
18:17:07  <supermop_Home> also the RSD re-release of phaedra
18:20:22  <supermop_Home> according to tracking, another will arrive by 8 today
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