Log for #openttd on 26th September 2020:
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07:55:12  <andythenorth> yo
08:17:15  <Wolf01> o/
08:36:22  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #7680: Fix #7679: Check version when comparing scripts
08:38:15  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #7679: Content download update downloads all versions, not just required/latest
08:38:31  <TrueBrain> LordAro: did my best to make sense of it; but really, this is 7+ years ago for me, so .. yeah, blurry :P
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08:44:46  <TrueBrain> right, time to make the new eints live .. prechecks!
08:44:47  <LordAro> TrueBrain: :)
08:44:59  <TrueBrain> staging has an increase of 1/6th in memory after the nightly "eints to git" job .. that is ... odd ...
08:46:35  <TrueBrain> okay, seems to be Python GC
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09:01:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #7680: Fix #7679: Check version when comparing scripts
09:02:15  <TrueBrain> okay, can't find nothing wrong with prechecks, so .. lets do this, I guess :P
09:04:01  <TrueBrain> lets make sure there are no pending changes in the old eints ..
09:04:47  <TrueBrain> can someone please approve ? :)
09:06:31  <TrueBrain> LordAro: ? :D
09:06:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/workflows] michicc approved pull request #8: Add: [Actions] enable eints-to-git for production
09:07:17  <TrueBrain> tnx michi_cc :)
09:07:31  <michi_cc> Okay, apparently you didn't if fact want anyone :p
09:07:31  <TrueBrain> hmm, you are not in the right team .. lol .. who setup these permissions? :P
09:07:44  <TrueBrain> it wasn't me, this time :D
09:08:07  <TrueBrain> but indeed, only 3 people can approve that PR .. that is a scary small group :D
09:08:27  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/workflows] TrueBrain merged pull request #8: Add: [Actions] enable eints-to-git for production
09:08:37  <TrueBrain> but I have other ways to overrule that decision :)
09:09:24  <TrueBrain> now ideal I need someone to make a valid change in eints, so we can end-to-end test this on production ..
09:09:31  <TrueBrain> sadly, Dutch has no missing strings ..
09:10:01  <TrueBrain> German has 82 .. anyone feels up to translating a few? :P
09:15:06  <TrueBrain> needs some love .. it now pulls the whole OpenTTD repository in .. which is a bit waste of time :P
09:19:00  <TrueBrain> it takes ~5 minutes or so to run the numbers and export new translations to git :D
09:19:58  <TrueBrain> this used to be ~1 minute .. lol
09:21:17  <TrueBrain> CPU spikes to 25%
09:21:24  <TrueBrain> it runs on a (much?) slow CPU, so I guess that is the reason :)
09:21:38  <dwfreed> cache the repo?
09:22:08  <dwfreed> alternately, shallow clone and then submit the commit via the GitHub API, instead of via git
09:22:12  <TrueBrain> funny, and it writes the JSON files again, despite them not being changed .. lol
09:22:53  <dwfreed> or fetch the branch tarball, and skip git entirely
09:22:55  <TrueBrain> dwfreed: not sure what you are answering to, but short: no. The checkout is a shallow checkout (well, a v2 protocol single commit checkout even), but the scripting does a "git pull", ruining it all ;)
09:23:12  <TrueBrain> after that, it takes 2 minutes and 10 seconds to transmit all the data to eints
09:24:29  <TrueBrain> seems upload-translations is not very efficient .. I wonder why it writes all the JSON files, when there are no changes ..
09:24:38  <TrueBrain> owh well, this happens only once a day .. do I really care, is the question :)
09:25:33  <andythenorth> care vs. really care
09:25:39  <andythenorth> 'real artists ship'
09:25:43  <TrueBrain> dwfreed: in general, nothing can beat the v2 protocol single commit speed; it is insanely fast :)
09:25:56  <TrueBrain> single commit "checkout", oops, forgot a word :)
09:26:46  <TrueBrain> but I did not know eints was this CPU bound on calculating what to commit .. :)
09:30:39  * andythenorth writing train descriptions
09:31:03  <andythenorth> in distorted colloquial English
09:31:07  <andythenorth> and with some nonsense
09:32:18  <TrueBrain> hopefully frosch has some nice ideas to speed up the export, but .. honestly .. 5 minutes .. it is fine
09:33:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/workflows] TrueBrain opened pull request #9: Fix: [Actions] make more clear when staging is exporting vs production
09:40:27  <TrueBrain> owh boy, bottle doesn't close sockets in all cases ..
09:42:46  <TrueBrain> otherwise eints seems stable ... and now we wait for someone to make any translation change :D (which requires signups first I guess :P)
09:48:08  <andythenorth> is it serverless?
09:48:08  * andythenorth derails Saturday
09:52:41  <TrueBrain> so what to do with ..
09:52:51  <TrueBrain> currently it redirects SOME subdomains, others simply do not resolve ..
09:53:00  <TrueBrain> I am tempted to only do and
09:53:15  <TrueBrain> if people still use .com .. well, they shouldn't! :P
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09:57:31  <TrueBrain> morning frosch123  :)
10:03:35  <frosch123> hoi
10:03:59  <TrueBrain> eints is live :P
10:04:12  <TrueBrain> you can merge your website post :)
10:05:02  <frosch123> i made a change
10:05:23  <frosch123> translated something :p
10:05:33  <TrueBrain> w00p
10:05:49  <TrueBrain> I would say: please review
10:05:52  <TrueBrain> merge, and run the workflow? :D
10:07:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/workflows] frosch123 approved pull request #9: Fix: [Actions] make more clear when staging is exporting vs production
10:08:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/workflows] TrueBrain merged pull request #9: Fix: [Actions] make more clear when staging is exporting vs production
10:08:12  <TrueBrain> I started the workflow
10:08:23  <TrueBrain> pam pam pammmmm
10:08:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] frosch123 merged pull request #168: Website updates for new translator sign-up procedure
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10:53:02  <TrueBrain> okay, asked orudge to migrate (.com, not .org) to AWS nameservers .. it is already configured for it, so that should be a smooth transition
10:53:16  <TrueBrain> that is ALMOST the last tie into the old old old VM ..
10:53:29  <TrueBrain> (the root domain) is the last one .. not sure what to do with that atm :)
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11:06:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor commented on pull request #7575: Feature: Industry production graph
11:10:02  <frosch123> hmm, is it impossible to delete oauth apps? there is just no button in my settings
11:11:18  <TrueBrain> Third tab on the left for me has delete
11:11:56  <frosch123> thanks, very advanced :)
11:11:56  <TrueBrain> yeah, Advanced -> Delete application
11:11:58  <TrueBrain> :D
11:39:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] newtrashcan commented on issue #8300: Low framerate on macOS
11:54:34  <TrueBrain> okay, accounts (and media) subdomains are gone
11:54:40  <TrueBrain> shut down Django 1.2
11:54:43  <TrueBrain> and a lot of other dependencies
11:54:46  <TrueBrain> \o/
11:54:49  <TrueBrain> time for a party?
11:55:18  <LordAro> no parties allowed
11:55:24  <TrueBrain> awh :(
11:55:49  <TrueBrain> okay, what is still running on old infra: devs, root-domains, admin (mysql / ldap), mail, and wiki
11:55:53  <TrueBrain> everything else is gone
11:56:26  <TrueBrain> devs I can just shut down, we said .. root-domains requires nameserver changes, that will happen over time
11:56:31  <TrueBrain> admin is needed as long as wiki is running
11:56:41  <TrueBrain> so that means mail and wiki are the only real things :D Sweet!
11:56:53  <LordAro> woo
11:57:55  <LordAro> TrueBrain: did you see my resulting CI? i got it all working quite nicely, i think
11:58:17  <LordAro>
11:59:26  <TrueBrain> why upgrade git? The runner-version is pretty new?
11:59:32  <TrueBrain> owh, 16.04
11:59:34  <TrueBrain> why 16.04? :D
11:59:36  <TrueBrain> why not 20.04?
11:59:42  <LordAro> idk really
11:59:50  <LordAro> i'd suggest to maximise compatibility
12:00:05  <LordAro> (including with libraries and such like)
12:00:09  <TrueBrain> it is a CI .. compatibility means: newer compiler to warn about stuff?
12:00:10  <LordAro> but as you say, nightly would pick that up
12:00:27  <TrueBrain> libicu might be an issue for 20.04, but worth checking out?
12:00:39  <LordAro> no more of an issue than it is already, i think
12:00:55  <TrueBrain> it might work out-of-the-box with 16.04, but not with 20.04, is what I meant :)
12:01:24  <LordAro> i think it still does...
12:01:30  <LordAro> it does for the release container afaik, anyway
12:01:42  <TrueBrain> would be nice :)
12:02:08  <LordAro> let's find out!
12:02:45  <TrueBrain> but it looks really nice and clean :)
12:02:53  <TrueBrain> 1 part of the job done ... release-jobs next? :D
12:03:30  <LordAro> likely, yeah
12:03:47  <LordAro> nightlies are trivial :)
12:04:19  <TrueBrain> the scheduling is not your main problem :P
12:04:35  <LordAro> still not sure how if i can do any workflow reuse - the "composite" jobs don't actually seem very useful
12:04:48  <TrueBrain> <- that is btw a nice thing to add to nightlies
12:04:48  <LordAro> or need a separate repo
12:04:50  <LordAro> or something
12:04:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] rcpaul opened issue #7: [nl_NL] Translator access request
12:04:53  <TrueBrain> allows you to run it yourself
12:05:03  <LordAro> first translator \o/
12:05:04  <TrueBrain> no, composite can be done from the same job
12:05:08  <TrueBrain> euh, repo
12:05:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #7: [nl_NL] Translator access request
12:05:26  <TrueBrain> but as long as you can use strategy, it is not that useful
12:05:28  <LordAro> in which case, i'm missing how to do that - examples are extremely limited
12:05:34  <TrueBrain> it is also very new
12:05:38  <LordAro> aye
12:05:50  <TrueBrain> I would say, just copy/paste what you need for now
12:05:54  <TrueBrain> we can add composite stuff later
12:05:59  <TrueBrain> we did that for azure too .. :D
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12:07:11  <TrueBrain> hmm, GitHub Actions doesn't have a way yet to cache apt-install, it seems
12:07:17  <TrueBrain> it has a way to cache a lot of things, apt not being one of them
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12:07:47  <TrueBrain> only takes 24s
12:07:51  <TrueBrain> not really important :)
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12:14:44  <TrueBrain> might as well upgrade the lukka packages to the latest version ;)
12:14:50  <TrueBrain> (@v3 -> @v4)
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12:16:46  <LordAro> mm, i noticed that
12:18:10  <LordAro> TrueBrain: re translators - is there a list of translators from the old system anywhere?
12:18:24  <LordAro> would make it easier to reapprove people
12:18:32  <TrueBrain> are you planning to deny people?
12:18:39  <LordAro> not especially
12:19:07  <LordAro> but a very minor amount of vetting might not be a bad idea :p
12:19:35  <TrueBrain> let me see if the ldap admin still works ... it seems I might have killed it in my cleanup of today :D
12:19:43  <TrueBrain> yeah, I did :D
12:19:44  <TrueBrain> sweet
12:20:23  <TrueBrain> you know how to login to the LDAP admin LordAro ?
12:21:02  <TrueBrain> btw, LordAro , realise that people might have different GitHub names etc
12:22:52  <LordAro> i do not
12:23:04  <LordAro> and yes, but it gives a mild indication
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12:25:03  <TrueBrain> do you have SSH access to the old infra?
12:25:13  <TrueBrain> hmm, I think you do not
12:25:17  <TrueBrain> you are not making this easy :P
12:25:30  <LordAro> nope :p
12:25:48  <TrueBrain> I am not a fan of publishing the listing unrestricted ..hmm
12:26:38  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 opened issue #8: [fr_FR] Translator access request
12:26:52  <TrueBrain> well, at least we can deny this one :P
12:26:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #8: [fr_FR] Translator access request
12:28:06  <TrueBrain> that moment you don't know how to send a DM with this client to people ..
12:28:15  <TrueBrain> if you didn't get the one I just send you LordAro , send me one plz :P
12:30:45  <TrueBrain> LordAro: that is a ldapsearch dump from the Translator ou
12:30:57  <TrueBrain> if you want more detail, let me know
12:31:32  <LordAro> should be sufficient
12:31:55  <TrueBrain> hmm .. it contains every user too, I notice .. let me trim that :)
12:31:57  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #7: [nl_NL] Translator access request
12:32:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #7: [nl_NL] Translator access request
12:32:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #7: [nl_NL] Translator access request
12:32:29  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #8: [fr_FR] Translator access request
12:32:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #8: [fr_FR] Translator access request
12:32:47  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #8: [fr_FR] Translator access request
12:32:56  <TrueBrain> so much spam :P
12:32:57  <LordAro> TrueBrain: do i have to report a GDPR violation? :p
12:33:04  <TrueBrain> LordAro: nope :)
12:33:17  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i wonder whether "commented on" could be removed
12:33:24  <TrueBrain> I was tihnking the same ;)
12:33:39  <TrueBrain> but there is not a toggle for that atm
12:34:23  <LordAro> maybe there should be!
12:34:52  <TrueBrain> I will review your Pull Request with utmost importance :)
12:36:24  <TrueBrain> there is already a filter_func callback
12:36:27  <TrueBrain> implemented by "push"
12:40:06  <TrueBrain> frosch123: should we link to the Discussion page somewhere from eints?
12:43:59  <LordAro> i presume glx could've approved his own request
12:44:07  <TrueBrain> still wonder if people should be members, or outside collaborators ..
12:44:26  <TrueBrain> but you first need to become a member, before you can be made an outside collaborator ..
12:44:28  <TrueBrain> ironic
12:44:40  <frosch123> keep the members, it's easier
12:46:00  <TrueBrain> the docs are very unclear what a member can really do :P
12:46:05  <TrueBrain> we will see .. time will tell :)
12:46:13  <frosch123> TrueBrain: <- that page exists in theory, but is hidden on ottd
12:46:43  <TrueBrain> still doesn't like to Discussion page on GitHub?
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12:47:38  <frosch123> but if we ever add the basesets to the translator, that page will get revived
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12:49:27  <TrueBrain> I don't follow, sorry
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12:50:05  <frosch123> you were asking for a place to link the discussion page?
12:50:17  <TrueBrain> no, I am observing we don't link there :)
12:50:25  <TrueBrain> we do in the GitHub request-access issue ticket
12:50:26  <frosch123> hmm, maybe you want a link on every string edit page: "discuss this string in your team"
12:50:29  <TrueBrain> and after that .. nowhere :)
12:51:04  <frosch123> well, let's wait whether there will be any teams with more than 1 member :p
12:51:22  <TrueBrain> given the current LDAP content, you would expect so :P
12:52:08  <frosch123> ok, script of the day: plot translator acitvity from git logs
12:52:20  <TrueBrain> haha :D
12:52:55  <TrueBrain> well, I updated trello, and it made me happy :)
12:59:29  <TrueBrain> sentry is not working for eints
12:59:49  <TrueBrain> AttributeError: 'UserAuthentication' object has no attribute 'callback'
12:59:55  <TrueBrain> happens sometimes
13:01:13  <TrueBrain> ugh, bottle ...
13:01:22  <TrueBrain> I really started to not like you bottle .. you do things so anti-Python ..
13:01:30  <TrueBrain> it doesn't use the logging infrastructure Python supplies
13:02:18  <frosch123> i think, that error means that someone went to the oauth redirect url, without having a session cookie
13:03:33  <TrueBrain> there is also a socket issue: 2 sockets are still open, not being closed, but the variable is already out of scope
13:03:41  <TrueBrain> somehow I am considering replacing bottle with flask
13:03:49  <frosch123> so did i :p
13:03:53  <TrueBrain> these are typical issues already solved by flask
13:04:19  <TrueBrain> something for tomorrow .. nothing is exploding atm, so no real rush :)
13:04:29  <TrueBrain> or if you want to tackle it, please :)
13:06:05  <frosch123> nah, i want to look at the ruby hell again
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13:14:03  <TrueBrain> I was thinking .. what if we make a GitHub repository called "wiki" with no branch protection, and use GitHub pages to publish the result .. we can use Jekyll to style stuff .. people would write markdown to create pages .. they can add images, etc. It is pretty much like gollum, only without us hosting the software :D
13:14:48  <TrueBrain> (and a slightly higher delay between commit and publish)
13:18:51  <TrueBrain> <- my idea is not unique :P
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15:19:55  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] RacerBG opened issue #9: [bg_BG] Translator access request
15:20:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #9: [bg_BG] Translator access request
15:21:16  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #9: [bg_BG] Translator access request
15:21:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #9: [bg_BG] Translator access request
15:21:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #9: [bg_BG] Translator access request
15:27:16  <frosch123> hmm, if i get 2 mails per sign-up, then the translator gets 4 :p
15:27:32  <frosch123> oh and the team invitation, so 5
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15:31:05  <TrueBrain> He doesn't get mail for creating the issue, so 4 ;)
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15:32:31  <frosch123> dorpsgek answer 1, approve answer, dropsgek answer 2, invitation, closure
15:34:52  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i have a plan for excluding comments from dorpsgek
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15:42:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro opened pull request #32: Add: Ability to filter 'issue' messages by action
15:44:21  <TrueBrain> I see you also don't run flake before commit :D
15:44:42  <TrueBrain> This will ignore all comments btw. Fine by me, just mentioning
15:47:48  <LordAro> yeah, that's what i intended
15:47:56  <LordAro> suppose i could add a more specific mode
15:49:50  <frosch123> i would think "comments" are the most important announcement here
15:50:09  <TrueBrain> Just not if DorpsGek makes them :D
15:50:24  <frosch123> you can easily find new issues and PRs, but actvitiy in old threada are invisible
15:51:01  <TrueBrain> Nothing changes frosch123, only if we enable filtering per repo
15:51:23  <TrueBrain> It is only about team repo, basically
15:54:01  <frosch123> ok, that's non-obvious to me :)
15:55:05  <TrueBrain> It is where .dorpsgek.yml is for :D
15:55:52  <frosch123> i wouldn't expect more than 50 translators in next 3 months, so even with dropsgek comments, it's not that bad
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15:57:39  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] nullaf opened issue #10: [tr_TR] Translator access request
15:57:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #10: [tr_TR] Translator access request
15:58:25  <TrueBrain> Nobody is leaving a personal note :(
15:59:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] ABCRic opened issue #11: [pt_PT] Translator access request
16:00:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #11: [pt_PT] Translator access request
16:00:47  <TrueBrain> Already more signups than I expected
16:01:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #10: [tr_TR] Translator access request
16:01:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #10: [tr_TR] Translator access request
16:01:45  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #10: [tr_TR] Translator access request
16:01:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #11: [pt_PT] Translator access request
16:02:11  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #11: [pt_PT] Translator access request
16:02:11  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #11: [pt_PT] Translator access request
16:02:36  <frosch123> TrueBrain: let's see how many strings they translate, or whether they quit when they see eints :)
16:02:56  <frosch123> anyway, no spam bot so far :)
16:04:55  <TrueBrain> GitHub should filter that :p
16:10:13  <LordAro> well, you'd think
16:10:41  <LordAro> notepad++ got hit with some fairly persistent spambots a few months back
16:16:35  <frosch123> we are pretty unpolitical though
16:24:19  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i think replacing the wiki with a public repo won't work. considering how people use the ottd wiki, they would start using it for uploading scenarios and other stuff. a second bananas.
16:25:17  <frosch123> which not only bursts our storage quota, but you also invite a lot of drama, with stuff that is supposed or not supposed there
16:25:29  <frosch123> i would prefer if people used their own gh sites for their personal stuff
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16:28:14  <TrueBrain> Fair; although they can do the same on Gollum not?
16:29:03  <frosch123> it only accepts certain image uploads, not generic files
16:30:00  <TrueBrain> Ugh .. means we have to understand Ruby :(
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16:55:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Berbe commented on issue #7679: Content download update downloads all versions, not just required/latest
16:56:38  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] pAter-exe opened issue #12: [pl_PL] Translator access request
16:56:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #12: [pl_PL] Translator access request
16:58:17  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #12: [pl_PL] Translator access request
16:58:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #12: [pl_PL] Translator access request
16:58:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #12: [pl_PL] Translator access request
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17:29:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro updated pull request #32: Add: Ability to filter 'issue' messages by action
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17:41:43  <TrueBrain> this still ignores either all comments or none?
17:41:58  <LordAro> yeah
17:42:14  <LordAro> (or also opening/closing/reopening actions) :p
17:42:42  <TrueBrain> why not also add the except-by?
17:42:50  <LordAro> i could do that
17:42:50  <TrueBrain> that way we can just filter out everything DorpsGek says
17:42:58  <LordAro> i was just fixing the flake error first :p
17:43:02  <TrueBrain> I mean ... pretty sure that is the spam we don't care about :P
17:43:03  <LordAro> s/flake//
17:43:03  <TrueBrain> ah, okay :)
17:45:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro updated pull request #32: Add: Ability to filter 'issue' messages by action
17:45:52  <LordAro> feel like it would be good to add only/exclude/exclude-by/only-by to all types
17:46:27  <LordAro> but not sure if it's nice it would be to do that with different payloads keys
17:49:04  <LordAro> er
17:49:26  <LordAro> but not sure how to do that in a not-awful way, due to different payload keys
17:51:55  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
17:51:55  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
17:52:25  <frosch123> \o/
17:52:54  <LordAro> \o/
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18:06:20  <TrueBrain> LordAro: with the power of Python, ofc
18:06:27  <TrueBrain> but meh, for now, this is fine
18:06:41  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain approved pull request #32: Add: Ability to filter 'issue' messages by action
18:08:15  <LordAro> :)
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19:52:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] Lucas559-noob opened issue #13: [pt_BR] Translator access request
19:52:40  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #13: [pt_BR] Translator access request
19:53:50  <TrueBrain> Still not merged and tagged LordAro? :p
19:54:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #13: [pt_BR] Translator access request
19:54:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #13: [pt_BR] Translator access request
19:54:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #13: [pt_BR] Translator access request
20:29:01  <b_jonas> do presignals find exit singals behind backwards presignals?
20:30:36  <b_jonas> looks like they don't. good.
20:32:49  <b_jonas> something else must be wrong with my setup
20:45:13  <Eddi|zuHause> presignals are stupid. they find everything by flood-fill, regardless of reachabiltity through tracks
20:51:51  <b_jonas> that's a feature
20:51:55  <b_jonas> that's why we can build logic
20:52:00  <b_jonas> it would be much harder without that
20:52:36  <b_jonas> we wouldn't be able to add proper control or sense connections to the tracks if the trains could actually go there
20:55:17  <FLHerne> I think andythenorth would argue that "can build logic" is a Bad Feature :D
20:55:41  <andythenorth> with presignals?
20:55:45  <andythenorth> cool AF
20:55:54  <andythenorth> how else do we build virtual CPUs?
20:55:59  * andythenorth won't be doing it though
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20:56:16  <andythenorth> shall I add yet another pointless shunter to Horse FLHerne?
20:56:23  <andythenorth> alongside the 08
20:57:53  <FLHerne> I'd say yes, but no
20:58:40  <FLHerne> Shunters are incredibly pointless even in all-the-things-ever sets
20:58:48  <andythenorth> they're only useful in Steeltown
20:58:56  <andythenorth> where they match the speed of the slag cars
20:59:03  <andythenorth> otherwise not
20:59:50  <FLHerne> Hm
21:00:09  <FLHerne> I suppose you could have those big Euro shunters from Scunthorpe as a replacement?:
21:00:48  <andythenorth> already in
21:00:57  <andythenorth> could do this
21:01:20  <andythenorth> hmm Virgin is down, searching for images on phone 4G is painful
21:04:17  * andythenorth bedtime
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22:43:22  <b_jonas> I rebuilt my drop station for the big steel train line, so now I can finally add more trains to it without crowding them up
22:46:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro merged pull request #32: Add: Ability to filter 'issue' messages by action
22:47:16  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro created new tag: 1.0.10
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23:39:15  <b_jonas> is there a newgrf that has a train set similar to the default trains, but there are enough electric trains for all three rail types that don't go out of support if I play well past 2050?
23:39:30  <b_jonas> possibly even just the default trains but supported longer?
23:41:13  <b_jonas> I'm playing with the Opengrf+ trains set which fixes wagons so they can carry FIRS cargo currently
23:42:41  <b_jonas> I'm in 2080 only, and there are only maglevs available, and only three of them
23:43:10  <b_jonas> if Lev3 or Lev4 goes out of support, the game will be basically unplayable
23:43:28  <b_jonas> but even now I'd want to run some monorails
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23:46:22  <b_jonas> I do have vactrains, but they're not a good replacement for general cargo
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23:46:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] ALEX11BR opened issue #14: [ro_RO] Translator access request
23:46:38  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #14: [ro_RO] Translator access request

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