Log for #openttd on 30th September 2020:
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02:52:26  <supermop_Home> well is Gotterfickerung a word?
02:52:35  <supermop_Home> and can I say it here?
02:54:11  <supermop_Home> Eddi|zuHause does that need an umlaut?
02:54:39  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but doesn't sound like a real word anyway
02:56:06  <supermop_Home> Wagnerian take on loss of all hope over here
02:58:05  <supermop_Home> I thought there was none left to lose, but leave it to yr boy classtraitor to lose more
03:07:34  <supermop_Home> Wagnerisches?
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03:10:37  <supermop_Home> im not trying to be shitty, just curious... did you guys have a positive or negative take on him in school
03:10:38  <supermop_Home> ?
03:19:43  <Eddi|zuHause> i think the word you were looking for was "Götterdämmerung"
03:21:28  <supermop_Home> no, we are beyond dammerung here
03:21:54  <supermop_Home> way past that
03:22:55  <supermop_Home> i hope you guys out there in the real world didn't try to watch our debates tonight
03:26:54  <supermop_Home> im sorry our moron ruin your whole world
03:27:01  <supermop_Home> me included
03:29:10  <supermop_Home> for us wagner is high school: great, undergrad: problematic, grad school: ehhh its complicated
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03:40:06  <Eddi|zuHause> well, the escalation of Dämmerung (=dusk) would be Nacht (=night)
03:40:55  <supermop_Home> but like, fuck them gods'
03:41:41  <supermop_Home> also Siegfried sucks
03:57:43  <supermop_Home> here we usually title Gotterdammerung as twilight of the gods
03:58:27  <supermop_Home> but there is a false colloquial reading of it as the damning of the gods
03:59:07  <supermop_Home> which i think is like an eggcorn - it fits with the narrative of the story
04:06:52  <supermop_Home> man i used to fantasize in 2005 about Sweden having birthright citizenship
04:32:35  <supermop_Home> now i don't fantasize about anything
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13:04:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #8323: Add GH Actions CI workflow
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13:12:41  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #8323: Add GH Actions CI workflow
13:20:29  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8323: Add GH Actions CI workflow
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13:31:23  <supermop_Home_> yo
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15:53:20  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8323: Add GH Actions CI workflow
15:54:49  <LordAro> TrueBrain: gcc-problem-matcher could presumably be used just the same for clang
15:54:59  <TrueBrain> I wouldn't know :)
15:55:21  <LordAro> well the regex looks simple enough
15:55:24  <TrueBrain> just giving you breadcrumbs to work with :)
15:55:52  <TrueBrain> problem matchers are a nice gimmick
15:56:16  <LordAro> indeed
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15:57:11  <LordAro> is there any issue with the pending azure pipeline job? will removing it cause issues with existing PRs?
15:57:31  <TrueBrain> you mean that it is still pending for your PR?
15:58:04  <TrueBrain> <- it is selected as "required"; you can safely unselect it
15:58:05  <LordAro> yeah
15:58:08  <TrueBrain> and select your jobs after merge
15:58:14  <TrueBrain> current PRs will have to rebase
15:58:23  <LordAro> right
15:58:48  <TrueBrain> the main reason it is marked as required, as there is a small time between a PR being created and Azure doing its thing
15:58:51  <LordAro> how about future GH workflow changes for releases, etc - will they have to be rebased again?
15:58:58  <TrueBrain> which allows for someone to accidentally merge it ;)
15:59:14  <TrueBrain> releases don't do anything with PRs now, do they? :D
15:59:46  <LordAro> shouldn't do
16:00:02  <LordAro> but if changing the content of .github/ affects existing PRs
16:00:16  <TrueBrain> I don't know why you made that link :)
16:00:39  <TrueBrain> the content of .github is of little relevance; not sure if we understand each other here :D
16:00:42  <LordAro> well i'm remembering the switch from jenkins to azure :p
16:01:22  <TrueBrain> as it was with Jenkins, as it is with Azure, as it will be with GitHub Actions, a PR needs to be rebased to use the latest version of the CI
16:01:30  <TrueBrain> but that is of course very logical
16:01:41  <LordAro> but you're right - it's the change of systems that requires the rebase, not making changes to the existing system
16:01:42  <TrueBrain> has always been true, and still is true, and still will be true :)
16:01:50  <TrueBrain> exactly :)
16:02:10  <TrueBrain> if you add Problem Matchers later, PRs that are from before won't have that
16:02:32  <TrueBrain> GitHub has a "rebase" button these days btw
16:03:44  <TrueBrain> (or a "Resolve conflicts" button, if that is what is needed)
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16:09:50  <LordAro> indeeds
16:10:13  <TrueBrain> or we can install a GitHub App that allows you to type: /rebase, which starts a rebase
16:10:18  <TrueBrain> so many options :D
16:22:07  <TrueBrain> right, lets see if I can make an export of the wiki ..
16:24:03  <TrueBrain> I might be making the wiki very slow ...
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16:25:21  <TrueBrain> lol .. funny .. how that kills the website .. you would not expect that to be the case
16:26:21  <TrueBrain> so we are not going to do that :D
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17:01:42  <TrueBrain> still not sure how to do email for ..
17:01:45  <TrueBrain> it is a tricky one, tbh
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17:05:39  <TrueBrain> morning frosch123 ; what is the smartest way of moving the content of the mediawiki to a new one? Besides importing the full database? I was making a backup via mediawiki, and it stalled the website .. that seems to be a bad idea :P
17:07:19  <LordAro> i'd do the database & file copy, tbh
17:07:51  <TrueBrain> meh .. and hope the database migration works :P
17:08:30  <TrueBrain> okay, for email I see 2 options: either we run email via AWS as forwarding service, and deliver to an alias of their choice. Or we use for example ForwardEmail ( to do this
17:08:44  <TrueBrain> in both cases, we need to get a mailbox for, but that is not the most difficult part here :D
17:09:59  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i am no mediawiki admin :)
17:10:11  <TrueBrain> neither am I!
17:10:15  <TrueBrain> but I ask because you have scripts around the API
17:10:21  <TrueBrain> and I was wondering if that was a viable way?
17:11:26  <frosch123> hmm, i remember pywikibot could export whole pages+history as xml and import to another wiki
17:11:50  <frosch123> when i exported the wiki this time, i found pywikibot too shitty, and just wrote the api calls myself
17:12:02  <frosch123> so, i guess, if you have a bot account on both, it is possible
17:13:01  <frosch123> export of the wiki took 3 hours, so not horribly long
17:13:10  <TrueBrain> well, maybe I can phrase it differently: if we would do another mediawiki (again, still plan B, I hope we don't), do we choose and pick the pages, or do I do a database migration?
17:14:13  <frosch123> hmm, i did not even consider that option
17:14:43  <frosch123> by base assumption was that any restructuing is way easier if stuff is in git, and impossible in a mediawiki
17:15:01  <frosch123> but if we migrate with a bot between mediawiki instances, it may be possible
17:15:20  <TrueBrain> question becomes: do we want to? :D
17:15:35  <frosch123> i will consider it, when gollum fails
17:15:43  <TrueBrain> the other method I considered: don't migrate, archive the current wiki, and supply a fresh-installed :)
17:16:20  <frosch123> i think in that case you can skip the second step
17:16:37  <frosch123> i doubt anyone volunteers to write content for a new wiki
17:17:18  <TrueBrain> well, also solves a problem, I guess :P :P
17:17:39  <TrueBrain> okay, fine, I prepare both plan B and plan C in this case: B -> migrate database, C -> supply a bot account :)
17:17:53  <TrueBrain> how much time do you think you need to find out if gollum  is possible?
17:18:28  <frosch123> i need to apply your patches, and check whether the common templates work
17:18:58  <frosch123> and i need to check whether the page history works better, if i put the images into a lfs
17:19:11  <frosch123> (currently it is rediculous slow)
17:19:39  <TrueBrain> any ETA? (not to hurry you; just to get an idea what timeframes we talk about :D)
17:19:55  <frosch123> next weekend, unless i find something more fun :)
17:20:04  <TrueBrain> reminds me, orudge did not reply on my email yet .. that is unlike him :P
17:20:09  <TrueBrain> cool :)
17:20:26  <TrueBrain> I am reading over email options, but basically everyone says: you don't need a license on office365 to forward email
17:21:31  <TrueBrain> ah, yes, the shared mailbox was the issue .. oops .. I keep going in circles :D
17:21:44  <TrueBrain> every user needs a license; so info@ with 3 people looking at it, requires 3 licenses
17:26:51  <TrueBrain> this still makes me head spin .. every single time :P
17:37:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8323: Add GH Actions CI workflow
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17:52:21  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
17:52:21  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:54:55  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] tomas-vl opened issue #23: [cs_CZ] Translator access request
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