Log for #openttd on 5th October 2020:
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00:17:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see how #7147 has anything that would cause this
00:19:16  <Afdal> I don't really get it either
00:19:31  <Afdal> but I don't see any other changes in v1.9.0 that could be relevant to this
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05:08:18  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] nedalnnee opened issue #38: [ar_EG] Translator access request
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07:58:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] VeeraKoo opened issue #39: [fi_FI] Translator access request
08:00:13  <TrueBrain> so much more translator access requests then I expected ..
08:03:10  * andythenorth remembers when translation commits were nearly all the commits
08:03:14  <andythenorth> 2017 or so
08:09:29  <LordAro> Italian has 4 people already
08:09:31  <LordAro> somehow
08:10:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #38: [ar_EG] Translator access request
08:10:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #39: [fi_FI] Translator access request
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08:11:24  <LordAro> 18/63 languages have translators
08:11:28  <LordAro> by my count
08:11:49  <LordAro> and 6 of those have more than one
08:25:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] ChristopherBittner opened issue #40: [pl_PL] Translator access request
08:26:46  <LordAro> aah
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08:27:55  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #40: [pl_PL] Translator access request
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08:30:35  <TrueBrain> haha :D
08:31:53  <TrueBrain> owh, right, version and Python .. that was always rather interesting ..
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09:07:47  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] xenforq opened issue #41: [sv_SE] Translator access request
09:10:23  <TrueBrain> who posted what where about translations?! :P
09:11:25  <LordAro> nothing on reddit...
09:11:48  <LordAro> there is this gold of an image though
09:12:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #41: [sv_SE] Translator access request
09:15:58  <TrueBrain> '0.0.0.post5+g57bb710' is an invalid value for Version.
09:16:02  <TrueBrain> pfft @ PyPi
09:16:14  <LordAro> yup :p
09:16:27  <TrueBrain> what part is not allowed exactly? :s
09:17:10  <LordAro>
09:17:40  <TrueBrain> I was not really asking for an answer, was more complaining about the unclearness of the error :P As it does validate through setuptools version checker :D
09:17:42  <TrueBrain> but tnx :)
09:17:48  <TrueBrain> I assumed as much that the + was an issue :P
09:18:53  <TrueBrain>
09:18:59  <TrueBrain> well, that works .. now lets test the GitHub workflow for it ..
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09:21:45  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain created new tag: 0.0.0
09:31:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain opened pull request #4: Add: git version detection and release workflow
09:32:15  <TrueBrain> that was rather uneventful
09:32:32  <TrueBrain> now can I announce this package already to get a token .. guess not ..
09:32:48  <LordAro> looks very familiar :)
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09:35:17  <TrueBrain> it was mostly pruning down :P
09:35:24  <TrueBrain> and I also upload the whls to the GitHub Releases
09:35:41  <TrueBrain> and I rewrote the version-detection, as the NML variant is a bit too complicated for me
09:36:29  <TrueBrain> it is now either a release, which can be pushed to PyPi, or a postN+hash
09:36:53  <TrueBrain> no branch indicator, no modifier indicator .. doesn't sound really useful for this library :)
09:37:00  <TrueBrain> not sure if it is useful for NML, tbh :P
09:37:39  * andythenorth wonders about stealing that
09:38:20  <TrueBrain> for OpenTTD things like branches and modified yes/no is important for network compatability
09:38:37  <TrueBrain> but there is 0 chance anyone publishing a postN+hash file on PyPi .. so worst they can do, is screw their local copy
09:38:39  <TrueBrain> (for not using -e .)
09:38:44  <andythenorth> mine is super wrong clearly
09:38:45  <LordAro> indeed
09:38:45  <TrueBrain> as far as I can see :) I might be completely wrong, ofc
09:39:33  <TrueBrain> yeah, andythenorth , that feels a bit icky :D
09:39:53  <andythenorth> ducktape
09:40:00  <TrueBrain> I really started to love the "commits since last tag" .. we use it for all other Python repositories, and it allows me to quickly see if we should make a new release or not :)
09:40:02  <andythenorth> ducktape works, but you get things stuck on you
09:40:13  <TrueBrain> <- check the badges in the
09:40:33  <TrueBrain> oeh, I have to add badges to this repo too! Let me sneak them in real quick :D
09:40:37  <andythenorth> that's shiny
09:40:42  <andythenorth> we should get a prize for those
09:41:33  <andythenorth> I am 50% serious about trying to use openttd tools for newgrf
09:41:38  <TrueBrain> owh, I can only do that after the merge of this PR .. fine :P
09:41:40  <andythenorth> like coop, but up-to-date
09:46:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain opened pull request #5: Add: show badges in with the current status of the repository
09:47:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] LordAro approved pull request #4: Add: git version detection and release workflow
09:47:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] LordAro approved pull request #5: Add: show badges in with the current status of the repository
09:47:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain merged pull request #4: Add: git version detection and release workflow
09:48:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
09:49:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #5: Add: show badges in with the current status of the repository
09:49:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain updated pull request #5: Add: show badges in with the current status of the repository
09:49:10  <TrueBrain> oops, wrong label .. fixed ^^ :)
09:49:23  <TrueBrain> still funny you can approve a draft :)
09:50:06  <TrueBrain> well, incoming spam I guess ...
09:50:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain opened pull request #75: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:50:11  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #46: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:50:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #35: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:50:15  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain opened pull request #37: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:50:16  <LordAro> aah
09:50:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:50:21  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #20: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:50:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/eints] TrueBrain opened pull request #26: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:51:10  <TrueBrain> grrr .. I thought I double-checked them all .. guess I was wrong ..
09:51:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
09:52:52  <TrueBrain> right ... finally got that done .. was LONG overdue .. and because of that it got more and more work to do :P
09:52:53  <TrueBrain> owh well
09:54:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] LordAro approved pull request #75: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:00:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] LordAro approved pull request #46: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:00:04  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] LordAro approved pull request #35: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:00:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro approved pull request #37: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:00:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] LordAro approved pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:00:11  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #20: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:00:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/eints] LordAro approved pull request #26: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:20:29  <TrueBrain> tnx LordAro  :)
10:20:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain merged pull request #75: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:21:22  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #46: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:21:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #35: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:21:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain merged pull request #37: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:21:55  <TrueBrain> oops, that should not have been a squash
10:21:55  <TrueBrain> owh well
10:22:34  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #14: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:22:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #20: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:22:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/eints] TrueBrain merged pull request #26: Codechange: use openttd-helpers library for common functions
10:23:03  <TrueBrain> LordAro: can I get a re-approve for :D
10:24:22  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] LordAro approved pull request #5: Add: show badges in with the current status of the repository
10:24:53  <TrueBrain> cheers
10:25:00  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/py-helpers] TrueBrain merged pull request #5: Add: show badges in with the current status of the repository
10:25:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.1.0
10:26:00  <TrueBrain> lets see if DorpsGek_III still works with Python 3.8 :D
10:27:18  <TrueBrain> I am not going to push the other repositories to production; nothing really changes, so that feels a bit like a waste :)
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10:29:22  <TrueBrain> byyyeeeeeee
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12:56:37  <TrueBrain> someone makes donation on tt-forums to tt-forums .. writes in his donation post "Thanks for all the hard work you put in to site and to game I always look forward to a new build."
12:56:51  <TrueBrain> :D
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13:37:26  <FLHerne> Well, orudge did start the whole thing off
13:37:44  <FLHerne> Perhaps you should put a 'donate' button on BaNaNaS
13:38:54  <FLHerne> No, I was thinking of ludde
13:41:28  <TrueBrain> :D
13:41:48  <TrueBrain> a "donate" button on BaNaNaS would be a fair thing to do, given 90% of the monthly payment is because of BaNaNaS :D
13:42:02  <TrueBrain> and to be clear, I don't mind of donations meant for OpenTTD and the forums go to the forums
13:42:10  <TrueBrain> OpenTTD's expense is .. euh ... very low :P
13:42:13  <FLHerne> Then demand an in-game donation button
13:42:37  <TrueBrain> I have been wondering what would happen if we support "cloud saves" for 1 euro a month or something like that :)
13:42:48  <FLHerne> That would be interesting
13:44:14  <FLHerne> Monthly subscription to BaNaNaS, otherwise you can only download content uploaded more than a year ago
13:44:17  * LordAro generates lots of 4096x4096 saves
13:44:37  <TrueBrain> FLHerne: evil :D
13:44:44  <TrueBrain> LordAro: you will be the 1%. So what? :)
13:44:57  <TrueBrain> but I would do something like: you get 5 gameslots
13:44:59  <TrueBrain> or what-ever
13:45:12  <LordAro> mm
13:45:16  <FLHerne> No, how about paid NewGRFs via BaNaNaS with a 30% commission fee
13:45:20  <TrueBrain> I was thinking that (well, not the payment part), in combination with web-based OpenTTD
13:45:26  <TrueBrain> truly: OpenTTD-on-the-go
13:45:28  <FLHerne> And then add DRM to OTTD so people can't sideload them
13:45:35  <LordAro> FLHerne: calm down, Epic
13:45:43  <LordAro> or Apple, i guess
13:45:44  <TrueBrain> s/Epic/Apple/ you mean
13:46:14  <Timberwolf> Free tier: you only get the first n pixels of a newgrf.
13:46:26  <TrueBrain> only engines from before 1820 :P
13:46:53  <Timberwolf> Pay to unlock the following callbacks.
13:47:28  <TrueBrain> anyway, cloud-saves would be a nice addition to OpenTTD, but it requires authentication ..
13:47:47  <TrueBrain> or, we can just publish on Steam, and use their infra :P
13:47:54  <TrueBrain> Workshop instead of BaNaNaS? :P
13:48:00  <LordAro> D:
13:49:17  <FLHerne> Wasn't there always a fear of getting a cease-and-desist from <whoever owns the TTD rights now> in that case?
13:49:34  <TrueBrain> for Steam?
13:49:52  <FLHerne> Yes
13:49:56  <FLHerne> I mean, *technically* OTTD is 'reverse-engineered' and doesn't infringe the trademarks
13:50:06  <TrueBrain> well, it needs a legal entity, and we need to make sure not a single person becomes liable because of that
13:50:08  <FLHerne> But only if you don't look too hard
13:50:27  <TrueBrain> OpenTTD was reversed engineered in a country where that was allowed at the time of doing
13:50:33  <TrueBrain> so I am not so much afraid of that
13:50:40  <TrueBrain> but it kinda stranded on: we need a legal entity
13:50:49  <TrueBrain> and everyone wanted to chip in, resulting in not a single consensus :P
13:51:18  <TrueBrain>
13:51:41  <TrueBrain> it is mostly a matter of: pick any form of legal entity, make it happen
13:51:45  <TrueBrain> and pay a lot of money a year for certificates :P
14:03:18  <TrueBrain> Anyway, I think that making OpenTTD available on the web, including saves and NewGRFs, would bring new life to OpenTTD :)
14:03:27  <TrueBrain> play-anywhere :)
14:03:56  <LordAro> is that WASM port PR still open?
14:04:11  <TrueBrain> given you are the only somewhat active dev, have you merged it? :P
14:04:32  <LordAro> definitely not merged
14:04:38  <LordAro> i think i might have closed it at some point
14:05:13  <TrueBrain>
14:05:17  <TrueBrain> you did not :)
14:06:42  <glx> anyway we can't merge any OpenTTD PR for now :)
14:07:02  <glx> unless as admin
14:07:37  <TrueBrain> msys still down?
14:07:41  <glx> yup
14:07:46  <TrueBrain> that is rather excessive
14:08:11  <LordAro> last i saw in the gitter they were making sure the sourceforge mirror was actually up to date
14:09:12  <glx> well msys2 install itself falls back to SF mirror, but as vcpkg hardcoded address
14:09:25  <LordAro> indeed
14:09:37  <TrueBrain> people have issues with using other mirrors and the hashes not matching up
14:09:38  <TrueBrain> lol
14:09:41  <TrueBrain> interesting ......
14:10:16  <TrueBrain> you would think vcpkg would have this fixed by now on their end at least
14:10:22  <LordAro> i tried to update my own instance yesterday, couldn't get past an unsigned (or malformed?) package
14:10:46  <glx> I updated my msys2 install yesterday without issues
14:11:18  <LordAro> error: mingw-w64-x86_64-libunistring: signature from "Christoph Reiter (MSYS2 development key) <>" is invalid
14:11:19  <glx> except higher download times because it has to timeout on msys2 first
14:11:54  <glx> oh this is related to something else
14:11:55  <TrueBrain> LordAro: they claim they fixed that now
14:12:15  <glx>
14:12:25  <LordAro> no, that's after i did that
14:12:32  <LordAro> it's just that one package
14:12:33  <LordAro> others are fine
14:12:54  <TrueBrain>
14:12:59  <TrueBrain> last few messages
14:13:09  <TrueBrain> mind the reply from Christoph ;)
14:13:31  <LordAro> ah good
14:16:16  <TrueBrain> right, I was going to shut down 4 days ago .. I failed in that task
14:16:29  <TrueBrain> guess I will ask tonight one more time if we expect any issues doing so :)
14:18:42  <TrueBrain> transfer speed: 4MB/s ... I need to backup close to 400GB .. hmm ..
14:19:00  <glx> lucky I used it friday to check/fix a firewall rule for my IIS
14:22:03  <TrueBrain> lol .. someone has been trying to do some massive SQL injection on a PHP script
14:30:10  <milek7_> was there any specific complaint about emscripten PR that have to be addressed?
14:30:47  <TrueBrain> okay, funny, the SQL "attack" was focused on a script that doesn't make a MySQL connection
14:31:15  <glx> nice try
14:31:22  <milek7_> bots do these 'attacks' all the time
14:31:30  <TrueBrain> this was not a bot :)
14:31:49  <TrueBrain> at least, I assume bots don't have typos etc :P
14:31:57  <TrueBrain> well, guess someone had fun
14:32:11  <milek7_> it likely needs faster blitter though
14:32:31  <glx> it first needs a rebase anyway
14:32:41  <milek7_> either some webgl blitter, or maybe utilize wasm simd
14:45:59  <TrueBrain> fun fact, the old old VM only has a single vCPU assigned to it ..
14:46:01  <TrueBrain> oops? :D
14:49:03  <TrueBrain> so the most visited pages on are the tilegame 1.1 ..
14:49:18  <TrueBrain> a file that is no longer updated ..
14:49:32  <TrueBrain> my doc on how to setup a darwin compiler in 2007 ...
14:50:14  <glx> nice doc to archive
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14:50:36  <TrueBrain> <- this is a popular file
14:50:41  <TrueBrain> is that still relevant?
14:51:24  <glx> well there's the wiki
14:51:46  <FLHerne> It's outdated, but it still sucks less than the wiki :p
14:52:13  <TrueBrain> number three hit on "nml documentation" on google
14:52:27  <TrueBrain> want to host it somewhere else?
14:52:32  <TrueBrain> will go down later today :P
14:53:06  <TrueBrain> a bit more popular is .. lol
14:53:45  <TrueBrain> FIRS documentation is still popular too
14:53:54  <TrueBrain> and of course SmatZ 3d tunnel animation :)
14:54:07  <TrueBrain>
14:55:44  <TrueBrain> besides those files, it seems there are just a lot of out-dated files being requested a lot :)
14:57:09  <LordAro> put the tunnel on the wiki somewhere :p
14:57:19  <LordAro> other than that, as long as you're making a backup, i don't see a particular reason to save anything
14:57:40  <glx> I backuped my files anyway
14:58:17  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: final call, anything on your dev-space you consider worth keeping? :)
14:58:26  <TrueBrain> (I will ping frosch123 tonight when he is on)
14:58:38  <TrueBrain> LordAro: of course I keep backups .. I have so many backups ....
14:58:46  <TrueBrain> there is one running now .. of the compile-farm we used in 2009 :P
14:59:06  <TrueBrain> so far I have 400GB of backup from the OpenTTD server :P
15:00:55  <TrueBrain> the remaining .. 200GB or so, is going to be painfully slow .. 6MB/s .. all I manage to get through the line ..
15:01:03  <TrueBrain> disk I/O somewhere that is horribly slow
15:01:43  <TrueBrain> well .. it is an XFS on a RAID-1, of which only 1 of the two drives is mounted, on a non-virt-io virtualized disk in a machine that only has spinning disks
15:01:58  <TrueBrain> owh, the XFS is on an LVM, I forgot that ..
15:02:21  <TrueBrain> XFS > LVM > RAID-1 > non-virt-io disk > VM > Spinning disk
15:02:28  <TrueBrain> guess ... something in that chain is slowing it down :P :P
15:03:36  <TrueBrain> qemu-dm is the bottleneck :)
15:03:40  <TrueBrain> no real surprise :P
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16:36:51  <Yoyo> Hello, I would need some help. Can someone help me?
16:37:49  <LordAro> @topic get 3
16:37:49  <DorpsGek> LordAro: Don't ask to ask, just ask
16:37:57  <Yoyo> sorry
16:39:12  <Yoyo> I downloaded Japanese town names new GRF, but when i activate it and enter the game it doesn't use japanese names but are still original names from game. Am I doing something wrong?
16:40:20  <TrueBrain> people complained about what rFIRS stands for .. uploaded said: if OpenTTD devs give me an ultimatum: rename or be removed, I rename it. So ... I gave him an ultimatum. As a FYI here too :)
16:40:36  <LordAro> Yoyo: you need to select the town names from the Game Options menu
16:40:39  <TrueBrain> s/uploaded/uploader/
16:40:43  <LordAro> (the one with the resolution and language)
16:40:57  <Yoyo> Ah i will try
16:41:15  <LordAro> TrueBrain: ...what does it stand for?
16:41:21  <TrueBrain>
16:41:42  <TrueBrain> people asked him real nice
16:41:46  <TrueBrain> he was a dick about it
16:41:48  <LordAro> urgh
16:41:49  <TrueBrain> I can be a dick too :D
16:42:01  <LordAro> probably a good idea
16:42:36  <TrueBrain> its cute, he doubted I had any power .. so cute :)
16:43:19  <Yoyo> bruh
16:44:22  <Yoyo> if i close this chat i will stay in or i will automatically leave the chat?
16:44:33  <glx> you'll leave
16:44:38  <planetmaker> this is IRC. you need to login anew
16:44:41  <TrueBrain> don't leave us! Stay with us! We like you! :)
16:44:42  <Yoyo> ah
16:44:46  <LordAro> @logs
16:44:46  <DorpsGek> LordAro:
16:44:49  <Yoyo> and how you guys stay in?
16:44:49  <LordAro> although ^
16:44:55  <LordAro> if that's still working
16:45:07  <Yoyo> hmm
16:45:12  <Yoyo> than i will leave
16:45:22  <Yoyo> byeeee :D
16:45:23  <TrueBrain> Enjoy the game :)
16:45:30  <Yoyo> and thanks
16:45:31  <planetmaker> mostly works @ LordAro :)
16:45:45  <Yoyo> i build a shinkansen line and some local lines in old game
16:45:56  <Yoyo> but i was annoyed that it has english names
16:46:23  <Yoyo> thanks guys , byeee :)
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17:00:54  <TrueBrain> let's see ..  can we summon andy ....
17:01:04  <TrueBrain> me walks around a pole making weird sounds
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17:01:49  <LordAro> PIXELS ARE OVERRATED
17:02:17  <LordAro> or, hmm
17:02:25  <LordAro> ISO27001 is my favourite standard
17:02:51  <TrueBrain> owh, a friend of mine is secops and is looking for a job
17:02:54  <TrueBrain> ... nope ....
17:03:49  <TrueBrain> "Your summoning failed" :(
17:03:51  <LordAro> hmm, Voxels?
17:04:07  <TrueBrain> I just zero'd a 2TB spinning disk .. that took 3 hours :P
17:04:08  <LordAro> no, that was peter's summoning word :(
17:04:18  <LordAro> not that bad, tbh
17:04:26  <TrueBrain> 150 MB/s on average
17:04:32  <TrueBrain> so indeed, not bad
17:04:41  <TrueBrain> I am retiring a server I had since 2014 .. feels bad man ..
17:07:30  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, and thanks for the reminder. I made a 2nd time sure to have copied everything :)
17:07:38  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: sweet :D
17:07:47  <TrueBrain> tnx :)
17:08:44  <TrueBrain> it still makes me giggle someone tried SQL injections on your index.php planetmaker .. it doesn't make a DB connection! :P
17:09:11  <planetmaker> :D
17:09:23  <planetmaker> how nice
17:11:20  <TrueBrain> okay, (.com, not .org) is now fully handled by AWS
17:11:29  <TrueBrain> from DNS to HTTP
17:11:31  <TrueBrain> \o/
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17:30:13  <TrueBrain> still no msys2? Damn ...
17:33:41  <TrueBrain> whoho, two people are going to take a look at the BaNaNaS UI :) Hopefully they can make something ... prettier out of it :)
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17:48:50  <TrueBrain> andythenorth! The summoning was a bit delayed ....
17:49:04  <andythenorth> riding a bike
17:49:07  <andythenorth> finished now
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17:51:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
17:51:51  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
17:51:52  <LordAro> TrueBrain: *two* ? :o
17:52:52  <TrueBrain> yes, I was shocked too :P
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18:07:13  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i copied everything from my devspace, and removed any private files
18:07:35  <TrueBrain> <3
18:07:43  <frosch123> in case you considered archiving them anywhere, i think others also had some private files there
18:07:50  <TrueBrain> so I will disable access to in that case :)
18:09:08  <TrueBrain> poef, gone
18:09:22  <TrueBrain> SSH will still be possible btw, for now, as I still need access to the machine :P
18:10:21  <frosch123> now i need to learn how to string-match-replace in ruby :p
18:10:31  <TrueBrain> sounds painful :P
18:11:15  <frosch123> stackoverflow to the rescue
18:11:28  <frosch123> maybe i can just copy, and do not have to learn anything :)
18:13:46  <frosch123> gollum appears quite slow :/
18:18:45  <frosch123> 9s to render the main page, wtf is it doing?
18:40:27  <TrueBrain> oef .. that is a long time :s
18:56:21  <Heiki> oh, a new Finnish translator,
18:57:13  <frosch123> is it you?
18:57:22  <Heiki> no
18:57:29  <frosch123> it could have been :)
19:01:18  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] hpiirai opened issue #42: [fi_FI] Translator access request
19:01:29  <Heiki> but that was me (:
19:03:47  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #42: [fi_FI] Translator access request
19:03:49  <frosch123> have fun :)
19:04:09  <Heiki> thanks!
19:13:38  <frosch123> searching for certain ruby syntax results in similar answers as to "how to quit vi" :)
19:18:34  <TrueBrain> "opinionated" :D
19:20:05  <frosch123> so, why does this method have so much code to deal with wiki-internal links, when it is only called for external links :/
19:36:47  <LordAro> TrueBrain: can you tell whether anyone has used the translator team chat yet?
19:36:59  <LordAro> (without looking at each team individually)
19:37:01  <TrueBrain> team chat? I only know of discussion
19:37:14  <LordAro> "that thing on github"
19:37:28  <TrueBrain> and no, open each team, is all I know
19:41:39  <frosch123> didn't last time everyone get a mail, when someone started a discussion?
19:43:11  <TrueBrain> that was the global team, not sure what happens in language teams
19:44:02  <frosch123> i posted something in a team, do you get notified?
19:45:19  <TrueBrain> nothing so far
19:45:40  <frosch123> looks like every team has a "watch" option
19:46:11  <frosch123> for some reason i have "translators" watched, maybe because i was member once
19:49:46  <frosch123> can every org member look at the team discussions, or only members?
19:49:55  <frosch123> (we have no secret teams)
19:50:09  <frosch123> but i do not know whether public/secret also applies to discussions
19:54:50  <TrueBrain> I am owner, so rules do not apply :P
19:55:00  <frosch123> great... so wikicloth does not even get the original input. something already extracts links before that
19:55:45  <frosch123> that makes so little sense :/
20:04:55  <frosch123> managed to disable that. still feels like gollum only works by luck
20:06:08  <TrueBrain> lol
20:06:12  <TrueBrain> that doesn't sound good :)
20:11:45  <frosch123> looks like the slowness is not from the rendering, but from serving all the images
20:12:20  <frosch123> it needs about half a second to deliver an image, which nginx could do
20:13:34  <glx> I just checked, as being member in a translation team, I have "watch" enabled for "translators" and my team
20:14:10  <glx> and I didn't enabled any manually :)
20:16:13  <glx> frosch123: I think you have "watch" for translators because you are an owner
20:16:30  <glx> any new thing gets "watch" by default IIRC
20:16:41  <frosch123> glx: i was translator, i kicked myself before someone had expectations :)
20:17:40  <frosch123> hmm, no, i do not watch "de_DE"
20:17:50  <frosch123> how weird, why would i get added to one, but not the other?
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20:22:57  <frosch123> hmm, i always used devspace to show images, so i never bothered looking into image upload thingies...
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20:23:12  <frosch123> gist does not seem to accept images
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20:23:38  <andythenorth> after I did the S3 dance, it's easy to stick them in a bucket
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20:23:47  <andythenorth> but it took a bit of prior dancing
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20:25:59  <frosch123> TrueBrain:
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20:26:07  <frosch123> ridiculous links :)
20:26:07  <TrueBrain> \o/
20:26:09  <TrueBrain> wow
20:26:15  <TrueBrain> that looks nice
20:26:21  <TrueBrain> everything works too?
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20:27:02  <frosch123> not everything
20:27:25  <frosch123> but it looks like i found all necessary places to patch
20:27:32  <frosch123> so now the rest is trial&error
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20:32:06  <TrueBrain> nice :D
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20:38:04  <frosch123> andythenorth: you are the html expert :) why does the alpha-channel in some png image not show in <img> ?
20:38:37  <andythenorth> dunno, is it a 24 bit PNG?
20:39:00  <frosch123> PNG image data, 128 x 128, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
20:39:17  <andythenorth> hmm
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20:39:21  <andythenorth> I've never seen it not work
20:39:41  <andythenorth> where' the img?
20:39:45  <andythenorth> where's *
20:40:35  <frosch123> ok, if it's no standard bear trap, we can leave it for later
20:41:27  <andythenorth> it's not a property of img tag, it's either a browser quirk, or the image needs re-encoding
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20:42:08  <frosch123> the image is fine. i think it's a css that adds a background color
20:43:02  <andythenorth> plausible
20:43:15  <andythenorth> is this wiki-land?
20:44:04  <frosch123> see the screenshot above
20:44:37  <andythenorth> default css normalisation applying white bg?
20:44:40  * andythenorth pure guessing
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20:58:50  <frosch123> yeah, wikicloth has some bugs :)
20:59:55  <frosch123> but at least the templates seem to work
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