Log for #openttd on 20th October 2020:
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03:26:30  <rptr_> where a list of vehicles and year they're available? i joined some server with nothing available..
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07:34:40  <LordAro> rptr_: the base set has some vehicles that never expire (not many, but some)
07:34:50  <LordAro> can't apeak for newgrfs though
07:34:58  <LordAro> i imagine there's a list on the wiki
07:35:07  <LordAro> if not, perhaps you should make one!
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08:12:22  <TrueBrain> that scared him enough to run :P :D
08:13:00  <longtomjr_> Or his isp
08:18:21  <LordAro> aw
08:42:38  <Eddi|zuHause> that list cannot exist, because it depends on which newgrfs you combine
08:43:42  <LordAro> list of the vanilla vehicles
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09:46:46  <TrueBrain> anything can exist if you set your mind to it
09:47:23  <andythenorth> enduring happiness?
09:47:28  * andythenorth thinks of nonsense 
09:48:08  <TrueBrain> you came to the right channel!
09:52:11  * LordAro fixing test failures by deleting tests
09:52:17  <LordAro> great fun
09:52:23  <TrueBrain> like a good boy you are :)
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10:45:11  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: does that involve things requiring solutions to the halting problem?
10:47:52  <TrueBrain> it even holds for the Ether
10:49:34  <Eddi|zuHause> you sound like one of those (usually right wing) cospiracy theorists that believe hitler created UFOs and escaped to the moon
10:51:19  * andythenorth listens to Van Halen
10:51:24  <andythenorth> and avoids writing some html
10:52:02  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: in particular i'm thinking of this guy
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11:23:17  <andythenorth> funny how sensitive graphviz is
11:23:31  <andythenorth> renaming 'Lye' to 'Caustic Soda' makes a mess of the FIRS layout
11:23:42  <andythenorth> even though nothing changes in the graph
11:23:47  <andythenorth> except the string
11:23:54  * andythenorth renamed it back to Lye :P
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11:35:41  <Eddi|zuHause> "caustic soda" sounds dangerous
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11:38:57  <andythenorth> I wouldn't eat it
11:46:28  <Eddi|zuHause> it sounds like a drink, honestly :)
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12:29:46  <TrueBrain> <- found one more! :D
12:29:54  <TrueBrain> these things are so far in the edge-cases, it is not even funny anymore :P
12:38:03  <rptr_> you could make a brexit firs
12:38:15  <rptr_> chicken farm -> chlorinate -> ship abroad
12:38:32  <Eddi|zuHause> did brexit actually happen?
12:39:17  <rptr_> they will give a date next year sometime, for when they'll give the next date, etc...
12:41:11  <TrueBrain> on one hand we have a president that says he is going to leave the country if he loses, on the other hand we have a country that wants to leave but never does .. the world is a strange place ..
12:41:25  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Technically yes, but we've agreed to pretend it didn't until January
12:41:26  <TrueBrain> "a president" -> "a president in the world"
12:46:26  <andythenorth> rptr_ it's like you read my mind
12:46:43  <andythenorth> currently I have a port that accepts Food and Chlorine
12:46:49  <andythenorth> it's all just a bit too brexit
12:46:59  <andythenorth> spent 2 days trying to change it
12:47:07  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause Brexit is done
12:50:13  <Timberwolf> rptr_: "New internal border in New Flenfingbridge! Trucks must travel via Munhattan Port Of Entry"
12:52:22  <andythenorth> oh the game lolz possibilities are endless
12:52:29  <andythenorth> I wish I still made political satire
12:52:44  <andythenorth> although it would be like shooting fish in a barrel
12:52:56  <andythenorth> usually satire moves reality 2 paces left
12:53:06  <andythenorth> but in this case, just reproduce reality, job done
12:57:27  <rptr_> who is leaving what country? trump?
12:57:45  <rptr_> (TrueBrain)
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13:04:49  <TrueBrain> rptr_: he said that if he loses, he is going to leave the US. But like so many things he says ..... don't assume he was telling a truth :)
13:05:49  <TrueBrain> and he most likely denies he ever said it ... because recordings are made by the media, and you know how he feels about the media :)
13:06:46  <glx> what he said about hacking was pure lol
13:07:37  <TrueBrain> remind me?
13:08:43  <glx>
13:09:59  <TrueBrain> riiigggggghhhhhhttttt ... guess my old company is now out of business! That is both a positive thing (no more hacking) and a negative :P
13:10:11  <TrueBrain> (I worked for an Cyber Security firm :) )
13:26:41  <TrueBrain> ugh, I even find errors in templates like "this page needs translating"
13:26:48  <TrueBrain> like nobody checked the output of any of these templates :P
13:26:51  <TrueBrain> it is horrible :D
13:31:00  <TrueBrain> "This page will be translated by Bennievv soon in Dutch" -  18:11, 15 February 2012‎
13:31:03  <TrueBrain> still waiting
13:34:52  <LordAro> how often are you just "fixing" the actual wiki content, rather than adding workarounds in the conversion?
13:35:57  <TrueBrain> depends on my mood and the "problem"
13:36:12  <TrueBrain> well, I don't add workarounds, tbh
13:36:16  <TrueBrain> I either ignore it in comparing
13:36:18  <TrueBrain> or I fix it
13:36:21  <TrueBrain> or it really is a bug :D
13:36:55  <TrueBrain> the wiki history shows you how often I find something really worth fixing :)
13:37:07  <LordAro> eh, i'd have to actually look at that :p
13:37:50  <TrueBrain> omg, you have to do some effort to answer your question? NOOOOOOO
13:37:54  <TrueBrain> how dare I :P
13:38:04  <LordAro> ;)
13:38:21  <TrueBrain> :D
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13:42:51  <TrueBrain> LordAro: but in the broad view, it more often is an edge-case of the parsing/rendering that is an issue. Next are template issues I fix. After that are mediawiki bugs
13:42:59  <TrueBrain> like it tends to close <li>s in the wrong order, and shit like that
13:43:35  <LordAro> :)
13:43:36  <TrueBrain> what remains are things that are irrelevant after the migration frosch is doing (capital issues, talk pages, namespaces, etc)
13:44:00  <TrueBrain> well, and shit like this:
13:44:00  <TrueBrain> -<span class="mw-headline" id="forbid_trains_and_ships_from_making_90.c2.b0_turns">
13:44:00  <TrueBrain> +<span class="mw-headline" id="forbid_trains_and_ships_from_making_90.26deg.3b_turns">
13:44:09  <TrueBrain> I aint going to fix that, as I will just "slugify" the ids
13:44:15  <TrueBrain> instead of what-ever this is mediawiki tries to
13:45:53  <TrueBrain> LordAro: why you ask?
13:46:05  <LordAro> was just wondering
13:46:28  <LordAro> e.g. i'd probably just delete the page you mentioned above
13:46:47  <TrueBrain> I am not going to delete pages :P
13:46:50  <TrueBrain> that is frosch's job
13:47:32  <TrueBrain> my job is to make the best possible renderer ;)
13:47:52  <TrueBrain> (and make our wiki slightly better while at it)
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14:10:52  <TrueBrain> [Advanced Roundabout] Horizontal alignment set to both 'none' and 'center'
14:10:56  <TrueBrain> so many of these kind of warnings :P
14:12:05  <FLHerne> Please just delete all the mega-junction articles :p
14:12:18  <TrueBrain> bribe frosch about that :)
14:12:34  <FLHerne> (seriously, most of them are just some stupid impractical thing that someone thought looked pretty)
14:12:57  <TrueBrain> it is a wiki; you are free to edit them into oblivion :)
14:15:52  <TrueBrain> take a page like Alberth/Contracts .. every block of code is missing 1 line in the <pre> block .. yet nobody seemed to care :P
14:15:56  <TrueBrain>
14:17:52  <TrueBrain> fixed now :)
14:21:50  <TrueBrain> mediawiki triest to close a <td />
14:21:52  <TrueBrain> how cute :)
14:21:57  <andythenorth> oof
14:22:31  <TrueBrain> pretty sure who-ever wrote this was thinking <tr/> and <td/> was the way to go
14:22:32  <TrueBrain> lolz
14:22:43  <TrueBrain> what-ever .. garbage in / garbage out
14:28:02  <TrueBrain> <- this is awesome btw :)
15:28:42  <TrueBrain> our wiki really is a good testset .. I keep finding these odd bugs I otherwise never would have found
15:28:49  <TrueBrain> people using templates in arguments of templates .. like .. who does that?
15:31:20  <milek7_> sounds like c++
15:41:38  <TrueBrain> okay, the first 50 pages are without (worth mentioning) diff .. going for the 100 ... will I make it ... (it is currently running while typing) .. 90 ... awh, 93 ... it was a good run
15:42:20  <TrueBrain> it is a false positive, bah :P
15:43:14  <TrueBrain> all pages starting with "A" pass :)
15:47:11  <TrueBrain> 85% pages seem to be rendering fine now; the ones that do not seems to be at least 2 bugs in the renderer :)
15:49:45  <andythenorth> oof
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15:50:03  <andythenorth> and variadic macros
15:50:12  <andythenorth> when is my therapy appointment?
15:56:22  <milek7_> I don't know what's worse, variadic macro spaghetti or boost-style template mess
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16:02:57  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
16:03:05  <Eddi|zuHause> combine both for better effect
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18:22:54  <TrueBrain> funny, our version of mediawiki supports something that shouldn't be supported :P
18:24:10  <andythenorth> eval()?
18:24:16  <andythenorth> <blink> ?
18:24:23  <andythenorth> <font></font>
18:24:27  <TrueBrain> a table in a list
18:24:38  <TrueBrain> *{| \n |} isn't a valid list entry
18:24:45  <TrueBrain> (a list entry should be on a single line)
18:24:56  <TrueBrain> and their manual suggest to use <table> in those cases
18:25:03  <TrueBrain> yet .. it works in mediawiki :P
18:25:15  <TrueBrain> but parsers fail, because .. it is not valid syntax according to their own manual :P
18:25:21  <TrueBrain> I wonder if it still works in newer versions of mediawiki
18:25:23  <TrueBrain> LordAro: ! :D
18:25:42  <TrueBrain> * {| \n | Test \n |}, what does it do? :)
18:33:26  <LordAro> TrueBrain:
18:33:40  <TrueBrain> did I fuck up the table syntax?
18:33:55  <TrueBrain> without the list thingy, it is a table?
18:34:13  <TrueBrain> and you used any of the #*;:  for a list? (not the silly utf-8 my client most likely printed?)
18:34:24  <TrueBrain> owh, lol . .darling, \n is a newline
18:34:30  <TrueBrain> not literal \n :P
18:34:45  <TrueBrain> no clue why that wasn't obvious :P
18:35:47  <LordAro> hmmpf
18:36:00  <LordAro>
18:36:10  <TrueBrain> okay, so they no longer support it
18:36:11  <LordAro> without the list, it appears to disappear entirely
18:36:12  <TrueBrain> what I suspected
18:36:26  <TrueBrain> hmm? Hmmm
18:36:34  <LordAro> oh wait no
18:36:38  <LordAro> ignore that
18:36:40  <TrueBrain> pfew :)
18:36:45  <TrueBrain> so it is just our version that renders it properly
18:36:53  <TrueBrain> which is annoying; as a lot of pages use that :P
18:37:19  <TrueBrain> thank you LordAro  :)
18:37:48  <LordAro> we are a few versions behind, tbf :p
18:37:54  <LordAro> upgrading it is on my list of things to do...
18:38:37  <TrueBrain> "we" is your mediawiki you were testing with?
18:38:47  <LordAro> yeah
18:38:56  <TrueBrain> pretty sure it is more up-to-date than the OpenTTD-one :D
18:39:00  <LordAro> well yes
18:39:43  <LordAro> 1.31, vs 1.35 which was released a couple of weeks ago
18:40:04  <TrueBrain> 1.19.1 :)
18:40:09  <LordAro> that is quite old
18:40:58  <TrueBrain> you now get why I have been bitching about this, for, what, 4 years now? :P
18:41:52  <TrueBrain> <- this page ... wtf
18:42:01  <TrueBrain> owh, english is equally bad
18:42:02  <TrueBrain> lol
18:42:37  <TrueBrain> and those are all invalid tables ... owh joy
18:43:02  <TrueBrain> in every language it is broken :P
18:59:10  <TrueBrain> LordAro: follow-up, what if the first char is a : ?
18:59:14  <TrueBrain> does that make any difference?
18:59:49  <TrueBrain> (still not going to support it, but good to know :D)
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19:18:32  <TrueBrain> I finally also render the "main page" button in the language menu :P No clue why it is there, but I render it, so that is good, right? :D
19:20:37  <TrueBrain> frosch123: <- am I a good boy? :D
19:22:36  <TrueBrain> @calc 17 / 312
19:22:36  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.0544871794872
19:22:54  <TrueBrain> so far a 95% hitrate on rendering (nearly) the same HTML
19:23:00  <TrueBrain> I think I am close to calling this :)
19:23:39  <frosch123> good boy :)
19:23:46  <TrueBrain> :D
19:24:01  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I do render: <b><i></b></i>
19:24:03  <TrueBrain> that is not good :D
19:25:16  <TrueBrain> I do have to implement TOC and gallery-tag .. meh :P
19:25:43  <TrueBrain> first linting all other pages .. as I have been testing all pages with the A very well :P
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20:38:09  <TrueBrain> @calc 19 / 410
20:38:09  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.0463414634146
20:38:17  <TrueBrain> < 5% error-rate
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20:44:56  <TrueBrain> frosch123: something for your conversion, if you can: sometimes links are "%23" instead of #, where # was really meant
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20:45:33  <TrueBrain> owh, nevermind, it is in the translation part
20:45:36  <TrueBrain> this will be fine, ignore :)
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20:46:23  <frosch123> well, on the good news: i can now migrate {{Tabs}} and other magic templates correctly :)
20:47:49  <TrueBrain> \o/
20:47:55  <TrueBrain> what are {{Tabs}}?
20:48:34  <frosch123> <- those 1..5
20:48:56  <frosch123> or more general: the script now knows which template parameters are pages or images, and can replace them
20:48:59  <TrueBrain> ah :)
20:49:06  <TrueBrain> sweet
20:50:16  <TrueBrain> it is funny to see my renderer fixes more than a few bugs :D
20:50:24  <TrueBrain> newer mediawikis do the same, I imagine
20:50:29  <TrueBrain> but it means I am on the right track ;)
20:56:02  <TrueBrain> @calc 19 / 486
20:56:02  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.0390946502058
20:56:05  <TrueBrain> <4%
20:56:21  <TrueBrain> and so far none are bugs in the parser :P
20:56:29  <TrueBrain> or render
20:57:02  <TrueBrain> I hope the wikitextparser author is not going insane because of my tickets ..... my last one of the day :)
20:57:13  <TrueBrain> I have to report it, as if he is anything like me, I would want to know
20:57:19  <TrueBrain> but .. it is getting a bit too much :P
20:58:57  <frosch123> can you add some more ' ?
20:59:33  <frosch123> i guess also add <pre> to the expected result :)
20:59:35  <LordAro> ''''''''
21:00:28  <TrueBrain> good call frosch123 , no clue why I did not :)
21:00:54  <TrueBrain> right, now lets parse all the pages, just to see how far it gets .. I ran A..C too many times now tonight :)
21:00:59  <TrueBrain> who knows what D and E hold!
21:01:00  <frosch123> i think #80 is invalid. what is it supposed to do for " ''' a '' b ''' c '' " ?
21:01:23  <TrueBrain> it opens with ''', it should close with '''
21:01:29  <TrueBrain> if an inner '' comes, it should first close ''
21:01:54  <TrueBrain> similar to the fact you expect ( ( a + b ) ) to be executed as ( a + b ) , before ( ( a + b ) )
21:01:56  <frosch123> i think <i> and <b> are not expected to nest correctly in html
21:02:03  <TrueBrain> they are not?
21:02:12  <frosch123> i think there is a reason xhtml failed :)
21:02:22  <frosch123> andythenorth may know
21:02:56  <TrueBrain> how else do you make something bold and italic? :)
21:03:48  <TrueBrain> btw, the fix is adding a space in the right place for '''''
21:03:54  <TrueBrain> which is what I did on the wiki
21:04:06  <frosch123> that's not what i mean. i claim that " <b> bold <i> both </b>  italic </i> " is valid html
21:04:09  <andythenorth> AIUI, xhtml failed because people didn't write it
21:04:18  <andythenorth> html5 was relatively empirical
21:04:23  <andythenorth> and relatively less idealised
21:04:34  <andythenorth> it surveyed somewhat what authors were actually doing
21:04:50  <TrueBrain> <- frosch123 , "Go To" there
21:04:59  <andythenorth> distorted somewhat also by the usual big tech company influence on standards :P
21:05:03  <TrueBrain> frosch123: might be valid, but not the expected outcome :)
21:06:38  <TrueBrain> weirdly, if I flip bold/italic around in #80, it does do what I would expect
21:06:41  <TrueBrain> so pretty sure it is a legit bug :)
21:08:00  <TrueBrain> I did not expect the reverse to work .. as that starts with only 2 '
21:08:11  <TrueBrain> I would have thought it would terminate on the 3 ' of the bold-start
21:08:18  <TrueBrain> so there is already some code to do this correctly, I guess
21:08:25  <TrueBrain> but possibly it prefers one of the other
21:08:42  <frosch123> TrueBrain: so what does  " ''' a '' b ''' c '' "  do?
21:09:16  <TrueBrain> [Bold("''' a '' b '''"), Italic("'' b ''' c ''")]
21:09:18  <frosch123> i claim that five ''''' are supposed to swap both italic and bold, but whether <i> or <b> is output first does not matter
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21:10:48  <TrueBrain> hmm, that would be true if the objects themself also consider that .. let me check
21:11:16  <TrueBrain> ah, that is what my real issue is
21:11:20  <TrueBrain> wtp.get_bolds_and_italics()[1].text
21:11:20  <TrueBrain> " b '''"
21:11:31  <TrueBrain> if that would not have been the case, there wouldn't be an issue
21:13:19  <TrueBrain> added that to the ticket, as you are correct; the order of the nodes really doesn't matter, it is the fact ' are still part of the text :)
21:13:45  <frosch123> [[|alt]] <- where does that link to?
21:13:50  <TrueBrain> NOTHING
21:13:58  <TrueBrain> it is valid wikitext, stupid enough
21:13:59  <frosch123> and translators write that? :p
21:14:08  <TrueBrain> it happens due to templating, what I have observed
21:14:23  <TrueBrain> [[{{url}}|alt text]]
21:14:33  <TrueBrain> the language thing in the top does that on OpenTTD's wiki
21:14:40  <TrueBrain> [[{{en}}|EN]]
21:14:40  <LordAro> TrueBrain: fwiw
21:14:58  <TrueBrain> LordAro: browsers fix EVERYTHING
21:14:58  <TrueBrain> :P
21:15:13  <TrueBrain> well, no, mediawiki does this
21:15:21  <TrueBrain> as this is how I found out :) Mediawiki does "what you expect" :)
21:15:32  <LordAro> :)
21:15:56  <LordAro> yeah, source is "fixed" too - it's not devtools normalising things (which it does do sometimes)
21:16:08  <TrueBrain> mediawiki balances all tags
21:16:13  <TrueBrain> if you don't close a table, it does it for you
21:16:17  <TrueBrain> it is pretty nice in those regards
21:17:18  <TrueBrain> @calc 120 / 1341
21:17:18  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.089485458613
21:17:29  <TrueBrain> my error-rate is going up :( Not unexpected .. given I have to fix more wiki pages :P
21:19:12  <TrueBrain> a few legit bugs .. but most seems to be trivial things now
21:19:30  <TrueBrain> I am still amazed how many shit there is on our wiki, that helps testing the render :D
21:25:13  <TrueBrain> okay, he has a lot of code for the <b> <i> stuff :)
21:27:40  <TrueBrain> okay, if I first replace the bold, then the italic, it goes fine
21:27:58  <TrueBrain> you only end up with <i>text<b>text</i></b>
21:28:02  <TrueBrain> but .. it is not like I care about that :)
21:28:21  <TrueBrain> @calc 248 / 2100
21:28:21  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.118095238095
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21:39:34  <TrueBrain> <b>Bold<i>Italic</b>Not Bold</i> becomes in browser <b>Bold<i>Italic</i></b><i>Not Bold</i> btw frosch123  :) So browsers fix it for you if you don't anyway :)
21:39:53  <TrueBrain> so my only problem was that it showed '' after one of the two (can't remember which)
21:40:17  <TrueBrain> @calc 382 / 2838
21:40:17  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.134601832276
21:40:28  <TrueBrain> 13% :o Well, a lot better than the 50% of yesterday :P
21:40:46  <LordAro> nice
21:41:15  <TrueBrain> many are broken tables
21:41:26  <TrueBrain> and there is a strong disagreement when to use th and when td :P
21:42:28  <TrueBrain> hmm, template redirects don't always go as I want it to .. owh well, not the worst problem :)
21:43:22  <TrueBrain> should "strike" become "s" or "del" .. .hmm
21:43:35  <frosch123> never heard of "del"
21:44:28  <TrueBrain>
21:44:32  <TrueBrain> Neither did I till 5 minutes ago :)
21:44:33  <TrueBrain> TIL!
21:45:30  <frosch123> i think if you use <i> instead of <emph>, you also have to use <s> instead of <del>
21:46:02  <frosch123> b/i/s vs strong/emph/del
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21:46:12  <TrueBrain> just for shit and giggles, this is what I am looking at:
21:47:56  <frosch123> well, <b><strong>aesthetics</strong</b>...
21:48:18  <TrueBrain> strong is a valid HTML5 tag
21:48:19  <michi_cc> It appears to me that MW wikitext can be defined as: Anything is valid wikitext, no exceptions :p
21:48:49  <TrueBrain> I am only going to replace the HTML4 tags that are no longer valid in HTML5 :)
21:49:07  <TrueBrain> well, maybe we can do that in the conversion .. we will see :)
21:49:19  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: it is an endless shitshow, yes :P
21:49:46  <TrueBrain> the <tt> tag is the same btw ..
21:49:53  <TrueBrain> tempted to replace it with <pre> :P
21:50:13  <TrueBrain> <code> tag is annoying .. it doesn't keep newlines
21:50:17  <frosch123> andy knew when he had to leave :)
21:50:27  <TrueBrain> guess who ever made up <code> never programmed
21:50:51  <frosch123> or they used minimized js
21:51:49  <TrueBrain> @calc 531 / 3600
21:51:49  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.1475
21:51:56  <TrueBrain> I am at the V ...
21:52:51  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure it's his fault, then :p
21:52:57  <TrueBrain> style="float:&#123;&#123;&#123;float}}}" <- mediawiki renders this .. it is so weird
21:54:22  <LordAro> what does it render as?
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21:54:41  <TrueBrain> dunno ..
21:54:51  <TrueBrain> <- so you can have bad titles :D
21:55:40  <Eddi|zuHause> how is that even a page title? someone failed at linking to actual wikipedia?
21:56:03  <TrueBrain> the page once did exist, but was trashed
21:56:47  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I have not been skipping pages that are in the Trash .. maybe I should :P
21:57:20  <TrueBrain> don't even know how you can see if a page is trashed on the web itself .. lol
21:57:45  <TrueBrain> <- this page is in the Trash
21:57:52  <TrueBrain> no clue how I can tell that from looking at that page
21:58:38  <TrueBrain> it might be frosch's magic, now I think about that :)
21:58:46  <TrueBrain> so it might be manual :P That would explain :D
22:15:30  <TrueBrain> @calc 998/5340
22:15:30  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.186891385768
22:15:34  <TrueBrain> and it is done
22:15:46  <TrueBrain> so .. that is not bad :) Now to improve!
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22:38:15  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Telling you how to checkout and commit to OTTD with it?
22:39:01  <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: i didn't actually look at the page
22:40:23  <FLHerne> Oh, agh
22:40:33  <FLHerne> That does seem broken
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22:50:55  <TrueBrain> LordAro: the #{| is not valid, but :{| is it seems .. : is not only "list", but also "indent" .. ugh :P
22:51:13  <TrueBrain> which is a bit odd, as the rules strongly suggest {| has to start on a new line ..
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22:52:40  <TrueBrain> but fuck it, I am going to implement this now .. means I should, if I would be nice, revert a few pages too
22:52:41  <TrueBrain> meh :P
22:54:21  <TrueBrain> time to find my bed; this is something for tomorrow :)
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