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00:34:35 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:23:23 *** Progman has quit IRC 01:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> what's "a rainy country"? guyana? brazil? india? 01:44:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] azubieta updated pull request #8329: Build AppImage https://git.io/JTZha 02:13:16 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] azubieta updated pull request #8329: Build AppImage https://git.io/JTZha 02:13:58 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:17:19 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:17:42 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] azubieta commented on pull request #8329: Build AppImage https://git.io/JT2q0 02:31:18 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 03:31:22 *** glx has quit IRC 03:48:23 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 03:50:29 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:52:20 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:53:26 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:54:12 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:54:48 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:55:25 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:56:31 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:57:22 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 04:03:08 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 04:11:33 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:28:44 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 04:36:54 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 05:05:10 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 06:04:42 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:10:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:22:42 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 06:38:35 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] marioerro opened issue #62: [es_ES] Translator access request https://git.io/JT2gd 06:59:13 *** longtomjr_ has joined #openttd 07:06:23 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:19:38 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:31:05 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:55:27 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:59:06 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 08:18:49 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 08:20:08 *** Progman has joined #openttd 08:20:16 *** supermop_Home_ has quit IRC 08:45:20 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 09:02:51 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 09:08:39 *** arikover has joined #openttd 09:10:48 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 09:12:20 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 09:14:20 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 09:14:26 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 09:15:47 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 09:15:56 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 09:18:06 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 09:40:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:47:43 <andythenorth> some TrueBrain dude has posted in the forums 09:47:48 <andythenorth> dunno who it is 09:47:56 <longtomjr_> FalseBrain? 09:48:43 <TrueBrain> IT WASNT ME! 09:48:48 <TrueBrain> well, it wasn't Hitler either 09:48:53 <LordAro> security breach! 09:48:58 <LordAro> lock everything down 09:49:09 <LordAro> /kick TrueBrain IMPOSTER 09:49:17 <TrueBrain> whoop, whoop, whoop, slow-whoop, ALARMA 09:50:02 <LordAro> TrueBrain: did you fix the wiki page? :p 09:50:37 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/Special:RecentChanges <- which ones? 09:50:50 <LordAro> the one suggested in the thread you replied to :p 09:51:13 <TrueBrain> what is there to fix? 09:51:18 <TrueBrain> owh, that 09:51:20 <TrueBrain> no 09:51:21 <TrueBrain> sorry :P 09:51:28 <LordAro> shame. 09:51:30 <TrueBrain> I found it an odd suggestion 09:51:33 <TrueBrain> so I just left it there 09:51:38 * andythenorth is having the day off 09:51:46 <TrueBrain> enjoy andythenorth :) 09:51:50 * LordAro is just not doing any work today 09:51:56 <TrueBrain> (as that should include no OpenTTD, no tanks, no Horse :P) 09:52:01 * longtomjr_ is fighting with terraform 09:52:07 <TrueBrain> me neither! Mostly as I don't have a job :P 09:52:58 <longtomjr_> run failed, whoop whoop 09:52:58 <TrueBrain> I did make my render twice as fast; it also fails on most pages now :P 09:53:27 <LordAro> in actuality, i'm writing emails ("we know it sucks, the lawyers made us do it this way") and preparing for a meeting 09:53:53 <LordAro> TrueBrain: replacing the code with `exit(0);` does make things faster in my experience 09:53:53 <longtomjr_> The quickest way to render is to not render - Confucius 09:54:02 <LordAro> usually 09:54:07 <TrueBrain> LordAro: well, 300 pages do work fine, so I did not do that :D 09:54:32 <TrueBrain> just 5000 more are failing :P Mostly because whole snippets are not rendered :D 09:55:36 <TrueBrain> did you know you cannot <nowiki> the <onlyinclude> tag, but you can with any other? 09:56:05 <TrueBrain> did you know only <nowiki> and <onlyinclude> work inside a <pre> tag? 09:56:16 <TrueBrain> wikitext is fun as fuck, as you can see the PHP order of execution behind it :P 09:56:51 <longtomjr_> me and your definition of fun might differ 09:57:09 <TrueBrain> well, welcome to #openttd I would say :P 09:57:14 <TrueBrain> that happens .. A LOT :P 09:59:12 * andythenorth likes trains 09:59:22 <TrueBrain> choo choo 09:59:38 <longtomjr_> well, I am fighting with k8s, terraform, prometheus and some other stuff, and secretly enjoying it, so not like I should judge 09:59:42 <LordAro> andythenorth: nono, that's dangerously close to the game 09:59:45 <LordAro> we don't talk about the game here 09:59:51 <andythenorth> did I just lose? 09:59:53 <longtomjr_> just regex 09:59:56 <LordAro> andythenorth: oh no 10:00:21 <LordAro> longtomjr_: nice. 10:01:01 <LordAro> i get to deal with ansible, home-grown-CI-server-written-in-python-and-php and dev stuff in basically every language you can think of 10:01:04 <LordAro> primarily Ada 10:01:15 <longtomjr_> do you enjoy it though? 10:01:30 <LordAro> sure :p 10:01:32 <longtomjr_> or has arson become an option? 10:02:02 <longtomjr_> Also, sounds really interesting 10:02:27 <LordAro> oh, several of these bits are getting deleted with extreme prejudice at some future point 10:02:30 <LordAro> it is! 10:03:02 <longtomjr_> Aerospace? 10:03:10 <LordAro> C/C++/Ada/Java/Python/Perl/Bash/Make/several-in-house-languages makes for a fun combination 10:03:26 <LordAro> aerospace-adjacent 10:03:56 <TrueBrain> Perl ... brrrrrr 10:03:58 <longtomjr_> Ah, that sounds like fun mix. 10:04:19 <TrueBrain> I had a colleague that could write Perl faster than most of us could any other language .. it was scary .. 10:04:35 <TrueBrain> also difficult to convert his PoC to real code :P 10:06:59 <TrueBrain> ah, found the bug ... I forgot to check if a tag existed before regexing it 10:07:05 <TrueBrain> turns out that left an empty body instead :D 10:10:18 <TrueBrain> we have 1 (!) page that uses "templatedata" .. mostly as that extension is not enabled, I guess :P 10:10:50 <LordAro> it's a very helpful plugin if you have visualeditor :p 10:11:21 <TrueBrain> it sounds nice indeed; it does how-ever require all templates to use it 10:11:22 <TrueBrain> not 1 :P 10:12:09 <LordAro> doesn't need *all* 10:12:20 <TrueBrain> more than 1? :) 10:12:24 <LordAro> just the ones that people actually use :p 10:12:35 <TrueBrain> in general that is a bit my issue with the current state of our wiki .. it is a random mess of random people having the best intentions .. 10:12:50 <TrueBrain> so many things are partial, or just not there 10:13:10 <TrueBrain> well, if we get this into GitHub, we can at least "sed" a lot of problems away 10:13:23 <TrueBrain> and adding templatedata sounds like a solid idea tbh 10:18:19 <TrueBrain> I want Python 3.9 "match" operator .. 10:18:22 <TrueBrain> maybe I should just install 3.9 10:21:12 <andythenorth> I need to draw this https://www.alamy.com/wintershall-potash-plant-with-salt-mountain-monte-kali-k-s-kali-gmbh-werra-valley-aerial-view-herring-werra-hessen-image281869897.html 10:21:19 <andythenorth> but not the salt mountain 10:21:39 <TrueBrain> get cracking! 10:21:49 <andythenorth> yes 10:39:41 <arikover> "but not the salt mountain": I seem to recall seeing this from the ICE... Is it possible that Berlin-Frankfurt trains go there? Or did I imagine that? 10:41:44 *** tokai has joined #openttd 10:41:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 10:42:03 <arikover> andythenorth: After playing train whack, I discovered the Iron Horse alternative liveries (finally!). Nice! Do they work with a var43 (Player Info) call? 10:48:28 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 11:41:12 <andythenorth> err 11:41:15 * andythenorth can't remember 11:41:54 <andythenorth> arikover yes var 43 11:43:13 *** arikover has quit IRC 11:44:16 *** arikover has joined #openttd 11:48:54 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: Which thing? PEP-622/634 (the overengineered pattern-matching statement) isn't in 3.9 11:49:31 <TrueBrain> it isn't? 11:49:32 <TrueBrain> 3.10? 11:49:34 <TrueBrain> awh :( 11:49:56 <TrueBrain> I have too many "if / elif / elif" statements atm :P 11:50:02 <TrueBrain> which means I will dictify it 11:50:06 <TrueBrain> but that is not adding to readability :) 11:50:20 <FLHerne> I don't think it's been accepted for 3.10 yet 11:50:32 <TrueBrain> ... they should hurry 11:50:34 <FLHerne> Seems likely to be though 11:50:38 <TrueBrain> one of the more lovely things about Rust 11:50:47 <TrueBrain> takes a bit getting used to 11:50:52 <TrueBrain> but boy, it makes things so much smaller and neater 11:53:38 * andythenorth reads 12:00:33 <FLHerne> When I read the original draft, I thought "ugh this is horribly overcomplicated" 12:00:55 <FLHerne> It seems to have lost some fluff in the revisions 12:01:19 <TrueBrain> which is pretty common 12:01:21 <TrueBrain> shoot for the starts :) 12:01:23 <TrueBrain> stars 12:01:26 <TrueBrain> typing harddddd 12:03:50 *** arikover has quit IRC 12:04:20 *** arikover has joined #openttd 12:10:58 *** Speeder has quit IRC 12:10:59 <TrueBrain> 10% of the rendering time is only to add <pre>s at the right place ... lol? :) 12:11:00 *** Speeder has joined #openttd 12:14:21 <longtomjr_> Are you rendering every page on visit? 12:14:43 <TrueBrain> I am currently only rendering; the word "visit" has no meaning in this context :) 12:14:52 *** glx has joined #openttd 12:14:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 12:15:55 <longtomjr_> Ah, is the render time a concern? 12:16:26 <TrueBrain> it is more about the absurdity 12:17:08 <longtomjr_> Ah yep. How does mediawiki do it? 12:17:20 <longtomjr_> or do we not want to know 12:17:24 <TrueBrain> not sure .. the place <pre> is done in their pipeline appears weird 12:17:30 <TrueBrain> but I tried reading that code .. 12:17:34 <TrueBrain> it is over 10k LoC 12:17:39 <TrueBrain> so .. yeah, I didn't read it :P 12:17:56 <longtomjr_> goodness, that seems like a lot for just rendering pre 12:18:08 <TrueBrain> no, their renderer is 10k LoC :) 12:18:12 <TrueBrain> pre is somewhere in there 12:18:13 <longtomjr_> Ahhh 12:24:32 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/tree/master/includes/parser <- in case you are curious :) 12:39:23 *** arikover has quit IRC 12:42:34 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 12:45:38 <TrueBrain> people ... have been translating the "sandbox" page .. which is just a dump of people trying out stuff .. lol? 12:47:38 <LordAro> delete! 12:47:50 <TrueBrain> pretty sure frosch has that in his trashcan already :) 12:49:58 *** rptr_ has joined #openttd 13:04:51 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 13:06:59 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 13:12:52 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 13:13:04 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 13:13:30 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:29:52 <TrueBrain> funny, I now do not do <pre> stuff for any templates you include, and nothing changed :) 13:29:55 <TrueBrain> that is a huge speed boost :P 13:30:55 <LordAro> very good 13:31:13 <LordAro> will that break some obscure template though? :p 13:32:56 <TrueBrain> in 5000+ pages, nothing 13:33:05 <TrueBrain> it also doesn't make sense tbh 13:33:11 <TrueBrain> the whole <pre> stuff doesn't make sense :D 13:33:35 <TrueBrain> very tempted to, once this hits GitHub, to just replace them all with proper <pre> blocks and make that the rule :) 13:35:47 <TrueBrain> the only diff I now have, is that links are no longer clickable in pre-blocks 13:35:54 <TrueBrain> in generated-pre-block, I have to say 13:57:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 14:34:08 <andythenorth> ok let's stop reading the comments 14:34:13 * andythenorth mumbles to self 14:45:13 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 14:50:18 <longtomjr_> comments? 14:56:11 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 15:06:17 *** nielsm is now known as Guest4132 15:12:13 *** Guest4132 has quit IRC 15:28:55 *** snail_UES_ is now known as Guest4135 15:28:57 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 15:31:07 <andythenorth> youtube 15:36:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:38:56 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:43:57 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:45:16 *** Speeder_ has joined #openttd 15:49:52 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:51:19 *** Speeder has quit IRC 16:23:43 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:33:42 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:49:37 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:10:05 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:39:04 *** rptr_ has joined #openttd 17:42:30 <rptr_> how do i get an openttd wiki account? 17:43:28 <LordAro> you don't 17:43:30 <LordAro> not at the moment 17:44:11 <rptr_> ok. 17:44:53 <LordAro> (it's being reorganised and rewritten) 17:45:06 <rptr_> ah 17:54:53 <rptr_> good! 18:16:26 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 18:40:59 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 18:47:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #62: [es_ES] Translator access request https://git.io/JT2gd 18:52:26 <andythenorth> is it beer time? 18:54:22 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8329: Build AppImage https://git.io/JTaP5 19:00:57 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 19:09:54 *** longtomjr_ has quit IRC 19:28:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] azubieta commented on pull request #8329: Build AppImage https://git.io/JTaME 19:46:04 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 19:52:01 <TrueBrain> frosch123: did we ever add anything to BaNaNaS so you can hide stuff from the webpage? For the in-game client you can set an unrealistic max version of course .. but did we do anything for the site? Can't remember :D 19:52:44 <frosch123> yes, we added 3 options for that 19:52:53 <frosch123> but none is available via gui, only via PR 19:53:22 <frosch123> there is "archived" which hides it, and there is "replaced-by" which hides it and links to the replacement 19:53:39 <TrueBrain> ah, not via the GUI, that confused me :D 19:53:54 <TrueBrain> I like how you say 3, and then give 2 :P 19:54:12 <frosch123> well, you already gave one 19:54:23 <TrueBrain> :D 19:55:36 <frosch123> ah, the third one is setting availability to savegames-only for all versions 19:57:48 <TrueBrain> ah, ofc :) 19:57:53 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 20:10:45 *** rptr_ has joined #openttd 20:18:38 <andythenorth> is it naptime? 20:19:24 <Wolf01> Always 20:24:12 <andythenorth> hmm 20:24:32 <andythenorth> is there a very fast way to get a count of adjacent sea tiles? 20:24:45 <andythenorth> without pathfinding, but rather walking the map array somehow? 20:25:23 * andythenorth wants to stop sea industries building in small lakes, but doesn't need a water route to map edge 20:29:11 <andythenorth> hmm wouldn't work, might be just a small amount of open sea along one edge, industries wouldn't build in that case 20:37:15 <rptr_> andythenorth, how do you code firs anyway? is it a game script? 20:38:31 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:44:19 <andythenorth> newgrf 20:45:33 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:52:31 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 21:06:20 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8329: Build AppImage https://git.io/JTaQr 21:10:34 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:25:31 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:51:29 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:53:49 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:54:04 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:09:18 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:42:22 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd