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It does not push it to git (or GitHub) yet. 15:09:51 <TrueBrain> but otherwise you can edit pages, create pages, etc 15:10:07 <frosch123> \o/ 15:10:16 <TrueBrain> there is also a preview 15:10:23 <TrueBrain> just not the way we want it to be in the end 15:10:26 <TrueBrain> but that is Javascript :P 15:11:11 <TrueBrain> code-wise it is a bit of a mess, but I knew that already :) 15:11:20 <TrueBrain> I have to rewrite where code lives .. deduplicate some other code .. 15:12:26 <frosch123> ah, the oauth redirect goes to localhost :) 15:12:33 <TrueBrain> oops :D 15:12:44 <TrueBrain> well, fix the URL and you will be fine :P 15:12:56 <TrueBrain> or use developer :P 15:12:57 <frosch123> yep 15:13:10 <frosch123> no idea what "developer" is, sounds like work 15:13:36 <TrueBrain> the ... other button on the Login page? :) 15:13:38 <frosch123> do you want to commit with a group account again? or query oauth for the email and commit as the user? 15:13:52 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, i saw it, did not press it :) 15:14:09 <TrueBrain> commit .. I dunno .. I am fine with both 15:14:19 <TrueBrain> if we do want to query email, we need to ask a bigger scope from oauth 15:14:30 <TrueBrain> using a group account might be easier 15:14:52 <TrueBrain> or we can do what you do for migration too: Username <username@users.openttd.org> 15:14:53 <frosch123> preview is weird. it shows === instead of h2 15:15:13 <TrueBrain> it shouldn't? 15:15:34 <TrueBrain> hmm, I see .. 15:15:40 <TrueBrain> will have to check out what is going on there :P 15:16:21 <TrueBrain> yeah, I rather not increase the scope of the OAuth honestly .. 15:17:46 <frosch123> well, unlike bananas, here we have actual history pages 15:18:00 <TrueBrain> as said, we can just do Username <username@users.openttd.org> ofc 15:18:06 <TrueBrain> which is fine for history purposes? 15:18:11 <frosch123> ah, the edit page has no commit message though 15:18:25 <TrueBrain> is that ever used? Like .. at all? 15:18:29 <TrueBrain> I never know what to write in there 15:18:33 <TrueBrain> doesn't feel very useful to me 15:18:55 <frosch123> true :) though moving to opinionatedwiki :) 15:20:06 <TrueBrain> come to think of it, maybe we should also change how BaNaNaS commits, and use the anonymous github.com email for users 15:20:32 <frosch123> i hate those :) 15:20:50 <TrueBrain> but it does link your GitHub account to the commit 15:20:55 <frosch123> then i prefer username@users.openttd.org 15:20:59 <TrueBrain> without having to deal with emails etc 15:21:18 <frosch123> yeah, but the hashes are github specific 15:21:19 <TrueBrain> so it would be TrueBrain <truebrain@users.noreply.github.com> 15:21:48 <frosch123> oh, that is a thing? i only saw frosch_1jij48zus8hjmnhsmjhasj@github.com 15:21:49 <TrueBrain> at least, I think that links the commits to my account 15:24:36 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/TrueBrain/test/commit/a30147671eb46a774a5cccc77ffd24ae0ec20892 15:24:37 <TrueBrain> that works 15:25:00 <TrueBrain> so that might be the nicest way to do this 15:26:43 <frosch123> yes, did not know it worked like that :) 15:27:03 <TrueBrain> and I think we can change BaNaNaS too, to make a commit per user like this 15:27:09 <TrueBrain> might be better than the librarian 15:27:21 <TrueBrain> (well, librarian can be the committer, we could just change the author) 15:27:37 <frosch123> originally bananas made a group commit for everything. then you split it into commit per package 15:27:43 <TrueBrain> yes 15:28:37 <TrueBrain> so far there hasn't been a change between 2 users at the same time I think :P 15:29:05 <TrueBrain> but wiki first, BaNaNaS after 15:29:24 <TrueBrain> for wiki, I was thinking: on Save page, commit, and push only after 5 minutes of no commits, or something 15:30:05 <TrueBrain> so if someone is changing multiple pages, he has some time to go from one to the other 15:30:05 <frosch123> when a user edits 5 pages in that time, are they squashed into one commit? 15:30:12 <TrueBrain> no, 5 commits 15:30:14 <TrueBrain> just 1 push 15:30:24 <frosch123> and when they edit one page 5 times? 15:30:28 <TrueBrain> 5 commits 15:30:32 <TrueBrain> just commit on "Save page" 15:30:44 <frosch123> people do not know how "preview" works :) 15:30:53 <TrueBrain> true .. but otherwise the history is a bit meh 15:31:04 <TrueBrain> we can hold off on commits, but what if 2 people edit the same page 15:31:45 <TrueBrain> so from a history perspective, commit per edit is better 15:31:50 <TrueBrain> just possibly more bloat 15:32:08 <frosch123> hacktoberfest only counts prs? :p 15:32:22 <TrueBrain> yes :D 15:32:31 <TrueBrain> well, we can always change it 15:32:38 <TrueBrain> commit per edit is the easiest to implement :P 15:33:56 <TrueBrain> I also never understood the "minor" edit checkbox on mediawiki 15:34:03 <TrueBrain> it is so much extra work they want you to do for making changes 15:34:11 <TrueBrain> like .. you figure it out if this was minor or not, don't let me figure that out 15:34:54 <frosch123> there are also reviews? 15:35:03 <TrueBrain> reviews? Sorry? 15:36:06 <andythenorth> I love the wiki 15:36:11 <andythenorth> I have used it at least 5 times 15:36:46 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I have no idea what you meant with "there are also reviews?" :) I am missing context :( 15:38:57 <frosch123> i thought sometimed pages have "changes waiting for review" and "reviewed commits" 15:39:04 <frosch123> but i cannot find an example 15:39:10 <TrueBrain> on mediawiki? 15:39:25 <frosch123> offical wiki. i think it's some kind of page protection on edit wars 15:39:28 <TrueBrain> you can "lock" pages 15:39:36 <TrueBrain> yeah, they have something for that in place 15:39:41 <TrueBrain> do we want something like that? 15:39:49 *** rptr_ has quit IRC 15:40:14 <TrueBrain> it is not difficult: instead of pushing to master, it would push to a branch and make a PR :P 15:41:25 <frosch123> no, i doubt andy would be up for reviewing them 15:42:23 <andythenorth> I have to spend the next 2 years drawing ships 15:42:24 <andythenorth> sorry 15:42:57 <frosch123> "to get access to editing this page, please provide a unique ship sprite" 15:48:06 <andythenorth> lol 15:50:19 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Yes 15:50:26 <FLHerne> How is it implied? 15:50:51 * FLHerne isn't seeing it 15:52:45 <FLHerne> What does the `traininfo_y_offset` variable mean? 15:52:55 * FLHerne just saw it and was curious 15:53:06 <FLHerne> "Used to correctly position the depot view of trains" isn't really informative 15:53:36 <FLHerne> Oh, it's writeable 15:53:45 <FLHerne> Does that apply to all grfs, or just the current one? 15:54:27 <frosch123> FLHerne: it's crap 15:54:34 <FLHerne> ...how can `climate` change during the game? 15:54:45 <frosch123> via console 15:54:54 <frosch123> there also used to be a cheat 15:55:10 <FLHerne> frosch123: That's not really informative either :p 15:55:18 <frosch123> FLHerne: anyway, that var now applies to a single grf only, but it used to be global 15:55:38 <FLHerne> I can see how global would be a mess 15:56:02 <frosch123> well, positioning sprites in depot vs. on track is "opinionated" :) 15:56:28 <frosch123> mixing wagnos from different sets into the same consist is equally troublesome 16:03:14 <andythenorth> FLHerne I'm wrong, not implied 16:06:10 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> I have to spend the next 2 years drawing ships <- can't you just automate? 16:08:06 <frosch123> spend the next 2 years automating drawing? 16:08:24 <TrueBrain> did Wolf01 just really suggest that art can be automated? :P 16:08:34 <andythenorth> art can slightly be automated 16:08:36 <frosch123> some art can 16:08:59 <frosch123> you just can't tell people that is was automated :) 16:24:07 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Once you've drawn a few, you can start copy-pasting bits? 16:26:57 <andythenorth> FLHerne somewhat yes 16:27:10 <andythenorth> originally I planned to draw 8 hulls and use them for everything 16:27:16 <andythenorth> but that makes it all look the same 16:28:24 <FLHerne> Yeah, Squid has that problem to some extent 16:52:55 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:11:17 <andythenorth> when is 3CC? 17:12:52 <TrueBrain> When your ships are done 17:15:44 <andythenorth> I need colours for hull, funnel, and cabin 17:15:49 <andythenorth> user configurable 17:15:53 <andythenorth> not happening eh 17:19:16 <TrueBrain> Unlikely, is the right word :p 17:29:38 <longtomjr> Just make it infinite refittable liveries for every cargo andythenorth 17:30:37 <andythenorth> code generator 17:31:20 <longtomjr> it might not be the most fun user experience though, maybe just make one of the pieces configurable via refit, and the other 2 from cc 17:31:24 <frosch123> andythenorth: you can make that easily with spritestacks 17:33:37 <andythenorth> I could 17:41:17 <andythenorth> do these look identical? https://grf.farm/images/shackleton-longstone.png 17:42:31 <longtomjr> Not identical, similar though 17:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes-ish, but it would need to be seen in context (like, dozens of these moving on a map) 17:43:39 <longtomjr> Different enough I think, maybe make one with 2 chimneys? (also other angles?) 17:43:50 <longtomjr> the hull is different, I think that helps 17:45:00 <andythenorth> ships are problematic in all respects 17:45:18 <longtomjr> just make trains that swim 17:45:51 <longtomjr> What is the different roles of the 2 ships? 17:46:00 <longtomjr> or just the same, but more and faster? 17:46:07 <Eddi|zuHause> @longtomjr we did that already, it's called "wetrails" 17:46:24 <andythenorth> bigger and smaller 17:46:39 <andythenorth> ships are needed in 6 different sizes 17:46:41 <longtomjr> Yep, I know, but I am imagining a IH train just chugging through the ocean. 17:46:54 <andythenorth> the requirement for different sizes poses challenges 17:47:08 <andythenorth> IRL all ships look the same, from 400grt to 4000grt 17:47:14 <longtomjr> andythenorth, I think it is fine if they look similar for different sizes. 17:47:22 <longtomjr> more chimneys for bigger ships 17:47:29 <andythenorth> they have to look similar-ish because they are the same type 17:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> longtomjr: you could do that in TTO, halftile-water didn't crash trains, so you could send them down the slope to water level and they would go on 17:47:41 <andythenorth> there are about 15 types of ship, and 3-6 sizes of each 17:48:38 <longtomjr> What is the jump between the shackleton and longstone? 17:48:58 <longtomjr> cargo capacity wise 17:49:49 <longtomjr> Do you have other angles we can look at as well? 17:51:28 <andythenorth> 540t 720t 17:51:45 <andythenorth> other angles aren't drawn, takes a week to draw each ship 17:51:47 <longtomjr> And the next step? 17:51:55 <andythenorth> 720 is the biggest 17:52:05 <andythenorth> the scale gets implausible after that 17:52:07 <longtomjr> Ok, before 540? 17:52:45 <longtomjr> I would remove the masts from the largest one I think. 17:55:01 <longtomjr> Is that the correct term for those pointy bits? 17:56:19 <andythenorth> yes 17:56:23 <andythenorth> they're masts and cranes 17:56:36 <andythenorth> they're needed to tie all the sizes of this type together visually 17:56:43 <andythenorth> and distinguish from other types 17:57:37 <longtomjr> Aah ok, I think having the extra one helps then, Maybe add some radio equipment at the top. (I assume that the bigger one is also more modern? 17:58:11 <longtomjr> Anyways, I am off for the evening. 17:59:02 <longtomjr> Good luck with the ships, excited for your new ship set! 18:00:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm thinking you could add some distinguishing highlights by shading the cargo holds, instead of having them a uniform colour the whole length 18:07:29 *** longtomjr has quit IRC 18:07:31 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i added a "def prepare(self):\npass" to storage/local.py 18:08:28 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause I tend to agree 18:08:35 <andythenorth> it's not so amenable to copy-paste 18:08:36 <andythenorth> but yes 18:08:41 <TrueBrain> Ah, yes, I never tested local only :D 18:12:30 <frosch123> i like how my cpu fan tells me when it's done with loading the metadata :) 18:12:51 <TrueBrain> haha, yes :) 18:13:01 <TrueBrain> owh, and editing won't work currently; I have to release a new wikitexthtml version :) 18:13:19 <frosch123> i only edit via python :p 18:13:36 <TrueBrain> more: just so you know ;) 18:16:23 <TrueBrain> and I mostly disable the metadata scan btw .. as it is just too darn slow to make development useful :P 18:16:38 <TrueBrain> in _ _ main _ _ .py, line 75; you can just disable it 18:18:11 <TrueBrain> owh, and frosch123 , if you enable "github" as storage, remember it will wipe any commit/change in "data" :P (like it does with BaNaNaS) 18:18:20 <TrueBrain> so dont use "github" storage if you are working on your migration :D 18:19:12 <frosch123> what does the metadata scan do? 18:19:18 <TrueBrain> translations and categories 18:20:03 <TrueBrain> pushed a fix for the prepare() (and bumped wikitexthtml so editing works :P) 18:20:29 <TrueBrain> so without the metadata scan, you simply don't see if a page has other translations, and no page is in any category :) 18:23:44 <andythenorth> old and new versions of this ship https://grf.farm/images/longstone-old-new.png 18:34:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 19:01:02 <frosch123> down from 28k7 to 25k6 errors. now i also can post percentages like andy :) 19:01:47 <andythenorth> :D 19:01:58 <andythenorth> always move the goalpost when you get to 90% though 19:06:42 <TrueBrain> :D 19:07:00 <TrueBrain> 10% improvement, not bad 19:09:47 <LordAro> for some reason, i have just fixed grfcodec's compilation on mingw 19:10:26 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne opened pull request #165: WIP: handle labels more readably https://git.io/JTHK1 19:10:42 <FLHerne> ^ pushed more as an RFC than anything else 19:10:51 <FLHerne> Oh, I forgot to add the updated test results 19:14:05 <LordAro> https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/pull/7 19:14:08 <FLHerne> ...and I screwed up using this `gh` CLI tool and pushed the branch to the OTTD repo and not mine, so now I can't force-push... 19:14:25 <LordAro> ha 19:14:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne commented on pull request #165: WIP: handle labels more readably https://git.io/JTHKh 19:14:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne closed pull request #165: WIP: handle labels more readably https://git.io/JTHK1 19:15:16 <LordAro> FLHerne: sure? only master should be protected 19:16:24 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne opened pull request #166: WIP: handle labels more readably https://git.io/JTH6U 19:17:09 <FLHerne> Back to just using git and the web interface, I understand that :p 19:17:13 <TrueBrain> LordAro: so who-ever made the NML one already copied the wrong one ;) 19:17:20 <FLHerne> Also, the tests might pass this time 19:17:21 <TrueBrain> I am trying to stop this tainting of the waters :P 19:20:47 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro opened pull request #167: Fix: Dorpsgek config file had OTTD-specific things in it https://git.io/JTH6l 19:20:54 <LordAro> TrueBrain: happy? :p 19:21:18 <TrueBrain> I could bitch about the commit message, I guess 19:21:40 <LordAro> oh lol 19:21:40 <TrueBrain> and about a silly newline .. what is that extra newline doing there .. do others also have that? Hmm .. 19:21:56 <LordAro> i thought i only spelled the nml branchname wrong 19:21:56 <TrueBrain> no, they do not .. so yeah, I can bitch about that :D 19:22:10 <TrueBrain> I do like dorks 19:23:51 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] TrueBrain approved pull request #167: Fix: Dorpsgek config file had OTTD-specific things in it https://git.io/JTH6a 19:24:45 <LordAro> hmm, am i supposed to have to wait for the codeql run to finish before mering? 19:24:47 <LordAro> merging* 19:24:51 <TrueBrain> haha, why? 19:24:57 <LordAro> it is so much slower than everything else :p 19:24:58 <TrueBrain> you expect it to find anything more/less? :P 19:25:08 <LordAro> no, i mean i can't merge until it's finished 19:25:11 <LordAro> it's a required stage 19:25:16 <TrueBrain> so .. disable the required part? 19:25:22 <TrueBrain> I didn't enable it on any repository :) 19:25:26 <TrueBrain> exactly for this reason 19:25:32 <TrueBrain> it is fine if you want to wait for it, it is fine if you want to skip it :D 19:25:59 <TrueBrain> it isn't required .. lol .. so why can't you merge? Odd 19:26:08 <LordAro> oh 19:26:15 <LordAro> webpage hadn't fully reloaded 19:26:18 <frosch123> FLHerne: no nml file hosted on devzone contains "GRFID" 19:26:19 <TrueBrain> :D 19:26:23 <LordAro> it was greyed out until i moused over 19:26:30 <TrueBrain> it changed here too out of nothing 19:26:34 <TrueBrain> so something must have changed :P 19:26:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro merged pull request #167: Fix: Dorpsgek config file had OTTD-specific things in it https://git.io/JTH6l 19:27:42 <FLHerne> https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/pull/8 -- why do people keep putting dates in READMEs? :p 19:28:01 <TrueBrain> FLHerne: it is a stupid idea, so why keep on doing it? :) 19:28:05 <FLHerne> frosch123: Ok, I can delete it 19:28:59 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: Well, if the release actions would do it, it wouldn't be stupid 19:29:07 <FLHerne> (but they don't yet) 19:29:16 <TrueBrain> I dislike release actions that make commits honestly 19:29:23 <TrueBrain> it makes things somewhat unpredictable 19:29:42 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I think you misunderstood me 19:29:47 <TrueBrain> adding of the / was a good idea 19:30:00 <LordAro> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:30:03 <TrueBrain> as I am pretty sure the intend is not to ignore any "objs" folder anywhre 19:30:06 <TrueBrain> but one specific one 19:30:09 <LordAro> i looked at the nml gitignore, and copied that 19:30:15 <LordAro> (no leading /) 19:30:23 <TrueBrain> again, copying from bad examples :P 19:30:26 <TrueBrain> you are doing well tonight :D 19:30:34 <TrueBrain> we changed mostly all other .gitignores to include a / 19:30:46 <TrueBrain> https://github.com/OpenTTD/bananas-api/blob/master/.gitignore as example 19:30:50 <LordAro> *fine* 19:31:02 <TrueBrain> specific before generic :D 19:33:57 <TrueBrain> lol .. reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24953821 .. somehow people really do not understand licenses, and somehow really strange things happen in those cases 19:34:31 <TrueBrain> it has to be bad for the people making that addon, for the shit they are getting .. but on the other hand, read up om licenses really helps avoiding these kind of things :) 19:34:54 <TrueBrain> it is a nice warning for all, to somewhat understand what licensing is (and isn't) :) 19:39:42 <TrueBrain> owh, and deleting messages from an issue because you disagree with it .. well, that always means the pitchforks come out .. angry people doing stupid shit, etc :P 19:39:53 <TrueBrain> well, that was a good popcorn moment 19:42:55 <LordAro> TrueBrain: what's the distinction between GPL & AGPL licences? 19:43:06 <TrueBrain> webservices, API usage 19:43:19 <TrueBrain> with AGPL, if you host the software, you also have to release modifications 19:43:21 <TrueBrain> with GPL, you do not 19:43:31 <TrueBrain> basically, it is a fuck-AWS license 19:44:03 <LordAro> so not particularly relevant to this situation? 19:44:29 <FLHerne> Is there any sense in which you can 'host' a browser extension anyway? 19:44:32 <TrueBrain> I don't know the plugin honestly :) 19:44:42 <TrueBrain> but it seems you can replace AGPL with GPL in the stories 19:44:45 <FLHerne> I suppose you could have virtual machines, but who'd use that 19:45:13 <TrueBrain> the main issue the author created: if you accepted contributions, all contributors have to agree for a license change 19:45:19 <TrueBrain> well .. you have to do your best to reach all of them 19:45:34 <TrueBrain> in the end it is okay if you can't reach them all, etc .. but it is a process of months 19:45:40 <TrueBrain> not because-I-am-mad :P 19:46:54 <TrueBrain> btw, it is a reason to relicense bananas-api to AGPL .. if someone would run a clone of bananas-api, and modified it to be more awesome, but only makes the API available .. that is fine under GPL 19:47:38 <TrueBrain> the "Application Service Provider" hole :P I like that term :D 19:49:09 <TrueBrain> a clear example of big companies not respecting the intend of a license, and only following the exact letter .. sad world ... where is the Star Trek era? Is it there yet? 19:50:43 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] LordAro merged pull request #7: Add: Dorksgek config file https://git.io/JTHKA 19:51:05 <frosch123> LordAro: to quote my company lawyer: you can use gpl stuff internally, but not as part of the product. don't even touch anything with agpl :) 19:51:20 <LordAro> haha 19:51:56 <TrueBrain> Sounds about right 19:53:37 <milek7_> hmm.. is there some way to have PR-like workflow in subversion? 19:53:54 <LordAro> we use svn branches at work quite a lot 19:54:24 <LordAro> there's not really any 'infrastructure' that enables anything like pull requests though 19:54:30 <frosch123> milek7_: phabricator 19:54:36 <LordAro> it's "run build against branch, merge if it passes" 19:54:49 <frosch123> is the only tool i heard of that handles git. but a git-svn bridge is probably beter 19:54:50 <LordAro> does phabricator support svn? 19:55:12 <LordAro> we have a reviewboard install at work, but it's basically unused 19:55:13 <frosch123> maybe they dropped it :p 19:55:24 <frosch123> but iirc that was the main feature of phabricator 19:55:33 <LordAro> and not particularly nice to work with - essentially have to add commits manually 19:56:02 <frosch123> LordAro: https://phacility.com/phabricator/ lists git, hg, svn 19:56:09 <LordAro> fair 19:56:29 <LordAro> i've only used phabricator very briefly about 7 years ago, and that was to migrate everything off it :p 19:56:57 <frosch123> https://phacility.com/phabricator/diffusion/ <- lol "very high-performance Subversion browser, a moderately high-performance Git browser and a relatively usable Mercurial browser." 19:56:59 <TrueBrain> Just stop using subversion :p 19:57:21 <milek7_> svn is fine, git sucks for large files 19:57:31 <frosch123> i should use "moderately high-performance" some time 19:58:50 <TrueBrain> Large files in general don't belong in code repositories :p 19:59:03 <LordAro> TrueBrain: it's being worked on 19:59:15 <milek7_> well, content has to be stored *somewhere* 19:59:15 <LordAro> but it requires reworking every single developement workflow 19:59:18 <LordAro> it takes time :p 19:59:26 <TrueBrain> (Says he who is pushing wiki data in GitHub, hihi) 19:59:58 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I know :) helped doing it more than once in my life :) 20:00:01 <LordAro> :) 20:00:20 <TrueBrain> Developers always enjoyed the new after a while ... never during 20:02:00 <LordAro> i have managed to convert our main monorepo to git - there's only one tool that can cope with it, and somehow requires ~250G RAM to actually convert it 20:02:12 <LordAro> the resulting .git dir is 9G 20:02:22 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 20:02:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 20:03:01 <TrueBrain> Not bad :D 20:03:38 <LordAro> given the amount of shit that's gone into that repo over the last 15 years (which itself was a CVS conversion), it's quite an impressive compression ratio 20:05:51 <TrueBrain> Well, I just archived everything before a year of the conversion .. helped a lot 20:06:09 <TrueBrain> And we accessed the archive like 3 or 4 times ... ever 20:06:19 <LordAro> it's certainly an option 20:06:20 <TrueBrain> And that was only because we were curious 20:06:46 <TrueBrain> Keeping an infinite history is a silly human emotion 20:07:04 <LordAro> but muh history 20:08:15 <TrueBrain> Exactly 20:09:18 *** tokai has quit IRC 20:10:20 <frosch123> that depends on who wrote the history :) sometimes it's very helpful to figure out what some code is supposed to do, or why it does it. but sometimes the result is just "they did not know either" 20:10:32 <LordAro> *always 20:10:41 <LordAro> or if they did, they do not know now 20:13:57 <frosch123> hmm, something about "writing a script that filters a list of errors for the unexpected errors" sounds weird 20:15:15 <TrueBrain> Hahaha 20:15:25 <TrueBrain> So you are at that point :D 20:15:45 <TrueBrain> It is why I made it valid YAML btw, hoping that would help you a bit :) 20:16:41 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 20:16:49 <frosch123> i used the api on the old wiki to get a list of pages/categories/templates/files that are missing, to filter them from the "missing on new wiki" list :) 20:17:14 <TrueBrain> Smart 20:33:02 <frosch123> do you replace " " with "_"? 20:34:23 <frosch123> many files you report as missing have "_", but the sources say " " 20:35:31 <TrueBrain> I should have removed those replacements all 20:36:38 <frosch123> "es/Manual/Base Set/Road Vehicles/Camiones de Correo" reports "File:Wizzowow_Mail_Truck.png" 20:36:46 <TrueBrain> there is 1 replacement left, that changes "_" into " " 20:37:00 <TrueBrain> owh, but that is not for the link 20:38:18 <frosch123> hmm, oh, but the en/ also went missing 20:38:25 <frosch123> something is very strange here 20:38:43 <TrueBrain> " |imagen = Wizzowow_Mail_Truck.png" 20:38:47 <TrueBrain> in my source file 20:38:53 <TrueBrain> so the error is correct 20:39:19 <TrueBrain> but my source might be outdated with your source, ofc :) 20:39:22 <frosch123> oh, so the issue is that i did not rerun the check after some fix? 20:39:53 <TrueBrain> well, the file doesn't mutate on its own, so that is a question for your bash history :) 20:39:53 <frosch123> yeah, wrong input file 20:40:16 <frosch123> down to 14k2 :) 20:40:27 <TrueBrain> pfew, happy it wasn't me :P I had so many replaces for the weirdest mediawiki shit :) 20:40:39 <TrueBrain> well, 50% in 1 day .. 20:40:44 <TrueBrain> keep that up, and you will be done ... never 20:40:45 <TrueBrain> dammit 20:40:46 <TrueBrain> euh .. :P 20:42:22 <TrueBrain> I think tomorrow I will spend some time fixing those {{SERVER}} thingies, if you haven't tackled that already 20:43:15 <TrueBrain> And check out the image errors :) 20:46:12 <frosch123> pff, the pl translator translated yet another historic page 20:47:25 <frosch123> TrueBrain: pushed an update. 20:47:30 <frosch123> i am not going to look at SERVER 20:47:42 <frosch123> but i'll look at more missing images 20:49:11 <TrueBrain> W00p 20:58:54 *** glx has joined #openttd 20:58:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 20:59:55 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] LordAro opened pull request #9: Fix various issues with MinGW build https://git.io/JTHDW 21:02:58 <TrueBrain> I see you had fun :p 21:03:34 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:03:35 <LordAro> just a little 21:03:49 *** matt21347 has joined #openttd 21:16:31 <frosch123> LordAro: does changing "strncpy(dest, src, n);" to "strncpy(dest, src, n-1);" in safestrncpy help? 21:16:44 <frosch123> (may require moving the silly n>0 check 21:17:30 <frosch123> otherwise -Wstringop-truncation seems to be about "don't use strncpy", but that is also the reason "safestrncpy" exists... 21:19:39 <LordAro> frosch123: it does for the first one, but for the second it just results in "output may be truncated copying 1 byte from a string of length 2" 21:20:53 <frosch123> but MAXDRIVE is 3... 21:22:29 <LordAro> it's difficult to tell from all the inlining - the warning is only triggered with -O2 21:22:38 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:22:42 <LordAro> could it be the `dest[n-1] = 0` causing it? 21:24:56 <LordAro> ...uninlining the function manually also makes the warning go away 21:25:49 <frosch123> maybe MAXDRIVE is defined in some header? 21:26:03 <frosch123> so it is defined as 3 or as 2 in different places? 21:26:45 <frosch123> grfcomm.cpp includes path.h with some ifdef 21:26:53 <frosch123> does that include mingw? 21:28:21 <LordAro> nope, definitely 3 - reading preprocessed source 21:28:39 <frosch123> that #if around "path.h" is bonkers 21:28:40 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 21:28:46 <frosch123> it uses MAXDRIVE and friends unconditionally 21:28:54 <frosch123> so it assumes they are defined somewhere else? 21:29:17 <LordAro> well, they're definied in path.h 21:30:29 <frosch123> did you read the preprocessor source of grfcomm.cpp? 21:30:35 <frosch123> where is MAXDRIVE defined? 21:30:45 <LordAro> it's a define 21:30:54 <LordAro> but it's definitely getting expanded to 3 21:31:02 <frosch123> but there is in an #if :p 21:31:17 <LordAro> where? 21:31:27 <frosch123> grfcomm.cpp:25 21:31:54 <LordAro> WIN32 is very definitely defined on MINGW :p 21:32:54 <frosch123> that #if is still stupid. why would it not include path.h when unconditionally using macros and functions defined there? 21:33:45 <LordAro> you're trying to rationalise decisions made for a poorly-maintained 20 year old C++ program :p 21:34:27 <frosch123> oh, this file is core grfcodec. it's C, not C++. and written by an assembler guy 21:34:40 <LordAro> or that 21:35:07 <frosch123> patchman uses a lot more spaces than dalestan :) 21:35:32 <LordAro> mm, you'd think dalestan was severely limited on disk space 21:36:30 <frosch123> you know why C uses "==" for comparison and "=" for assignment? :) 21:36:42 <TrueBrain> funny .. when editing templates which include the template itself, the aggressive caching of mediawiki causes it to not update after edit :D 21:37:09 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, that's a big annoyance. i always have to make a second change 21:37:33 <TrueBrain> well, TrueWiki doesn't have that issue :P 21:37:39 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i think it's a weird way to prevent infinite recursions 21:37:47 <TrueBrain> it does in preview btw .. which is an interesting bug on its own :) 21:37:56 <TrueBrain> I just think they forgot to invalidate their cache :P 21:41:18 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:42:33 <frosch123> pff. 1000 Talk and User pages :p 21:43:33 <frosch123> TrueBrain: btw. this was no option with gollum. but do you want .mediawiki pages for uploads? 21:43:55 <TrueBrain> is there ever anything interesting there? 21:43:57 <frosch123> or do you treat File: as pure uploaded files, without descriptions or whatever 21:44:17 <frosch123> there are translation links :p 21:44:27 <frosch123> no idea whether that counts as "interesting" 21:44:28 <TrueBrain> it sounds really useless to me, honestly 21:44:53 <TrueBrain> I mean .. do you really expect that you click an image and read something more than you did on the Page you saw the image? 21:45:25 <TrueBrain> so personally I would expect File to be pure uploads ... but I am not a wiki expert, and I might be totally wrong 21:45:32 <TrueBrain> LordAro: convince us otherwise! 21:45:50 <frosch123> TrueBrain: on wikipedia it contains the license of the image, etc 21:46:00 <frosch123> but our editors do not understand licenses 21:46:12 <TrueBrain> haha, no, that is very true :) 21:46:17 <TrueBrain> and most images are screenshots of OpenTTD 21:46:22 <TrueBrain> so that license is pretty obvious 21:46:45 <TrueBrain> unless you have an example on our current wiki that shows it is useful .. I would just not bother honestly 21:46:52 <TrueBrain> on the other hand, it is a small effort to port those over too 21:47:02 <TrueBrain> but ... opinionated wiki, remember :) 21:47:15 <frosch123> :) 21:48:29 <TrueBrain> I think I removed all fullurl/localurl/SERVER entries 21:48:35 <TrueBrain> but I would need a new export from you to confirm :) 21:48:46 <frosch123> ... somehow that ":)" just reminded me about planetmaker always using ":-)" ... and now there is this term "opinionated smiley" in my head :/ 21:48:59 <TrueBrain> hahaha :D I get what you mean :) 21:51:23 <TrueBrain> searching the wiki itself shows a few more instance of SERVER, but I think those are not exported :) 21:51:59 <TrueBrain> " Further instructions can be found in [//wiki.openttd.org/?title=Cross-compiling_for_Windows&oldid=90126 older version of this article]." <- wtf is this for bullshit? 21:52:11 <TrueBrain> who ... does that? 21:52:59 <TrueBrain> BBBYYYEEEEEEEE, I said to that part of the article 21:54:02 <TrueBrain> frosch123: would you be able to modify the "hash" part too, btw? 21:54:07 <TrueBrain> as in, #title stuff? 21:54:21 <TrueBrain> as TrueWiki simply slugifies them, where mediawiki did ... something 21:54:39 <frosch123> yes, but i would have to undo whatever mediawiki does 21:54:46 <TrueBrain> I think that is not needed 21:54:49 <TrueBrain> pip install python-slugify 21:54:52 <TrueBrain> is the lib I use 21:54:59 <TrueBrain> and I think if you just slugify what-ever is now behind the hash 21:55:02 <TrueBrain> it work for 90% of the pages 21:55:15 <TrueBrain> possibly urldecode it first 21:57:41 <frosch123> i started a new export, but i still do not plan to make it incremental :p 21:58:08 <TrueBrain> weird :P 21:59:13 <LordAro> TrueBrain: it is quite annoying when i encounter various things that assume .png (or whatever) is an image and tries to load the html page as an image 21:59:44 <TrueBrain> not follow, sorry 22:00:07 <TrueBrain> "various things" is a bit unspecific, and allows me to read your sentence in several ways :P 22:06:35 *** Westie has joined #openttd 22:08:31 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I am removing hard-links to wiki.openttd.org now .. we have many of those .. often very silly 22:09:15 <frosch123> that sounds like something the conversion could do 22:09:49 <TrueBrain> not really, as I have seen so far 22:10:19 <TrueBrain> well, you would be adding a case for each of them almost :P 22:10:29 <frosch123> ok :p 22:11:00 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Operating_system&diff=101597&oldid=94277 <- i mean cases like that 22:11:36 <TrueBrain> yeah, but those are the rare ones 22:11:43 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Budynki_siedziby_kwatery_%28nowa_grafika%29%2FPl&diff=101612&oldid=98662 22:11:46 <TrueBrain> this is more what I find :P 22:12:19 <frosch123> ah, i think those are from before the 2010 wiki update :p 22:12:40 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Linie_kolejowe%2FPl&diff=101613&oldid=99214 22:12:47 <TrueBrain> or this .. 22:14:11 <frosch123> want to add a check to truewiki? "do not link to the wiki using external links" 22:14:21 <TrueBrain> I think that would be a good feature :) 22:14:49 <frosch123> hmm, is it possible to put relative urls into external links? 22:14:56 <TrueBrain> also lots of people that did not know :File: links to the file 22:15:00 <TrueBrain> yes 22:15:04 <TrueBrain> hmm 22:15:06 <TrueBrain> no, not 22:15:12 <TrueBrain> not by their own specs, anyway 22:22:11 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 22:22:52 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 22:24:49 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:27:42 <TrueBrain> frosch123: can you sed https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/09e9fe0e4322925a46981c742805bd18 in your export? 22:28:45 <frosch123> just that one? how often does it appear? :p 22:28:52 <TrueBrain> 20+ times 22:28:54 <TrueBrain> https://wiki.openttd.org/Industrial_Buildings_(New_Graphics) as example 22:29:23 <frosch123> 37 times :) 22:30:09 <TrueBrain> didn't feel like editing that 37 times :P 22:30:38 <frosch123> added it to the list :) 22:30:48 <TrueBrain> cheers 22:31:06 <TrueBrain> right, I most likely missed a few wiki.openttd.org, but I will check that again when-ever that sed has ran :D 22:31:49 <TrueBrain> was looking at the diff, because .. I was bored I guess? 22:31:59 <TrueBrain> -|Image = Grfcrawler vehicles.png 22:31:59 <TrueBrain> -|Name1 = [[en/Community/NewGRF/2cc TrainSet|2cc - Trains of the World]] 22:32:03 <TrueBrain> +|Image =en/Grfcrawler vehicles.png|Name1 = [[en/Community/NewGRF/2cc TrainSet|2cc - Trains of the World]] 22:32:08 <TrueBrain> it is not wrong or broken, but is this intended? 22:32:41 <TrueBrain> happens a lot :) 22:32:47 <frosch123> well, wikitextparser includes the leading and trailing whitespace in the parameter 22:32:57 <frosch123> and i replace the parameter value 22:32:59 <TrueBrain> yeah ... I have a lot of strip() :D 22:33:18 <frosch123> that 7k reduction from earlier was adding a strip() :) 22:33:44 <frosch123> i did not know a page named "Grfcrawler vehicles.png\n" :p 22:33:50 <TrueBrain> :D 22:34:07 <TrueBrain> well, maybe check if there was a \n in the original, and add one with the replacement? 22:34:17 <TrueBrain> might be nice to not completely mangle the mediawiki files :D 22:35:33 <frosch123> ok, i'll try :) 22:36:23 <TrueBrain> hmm .. some other errors we currently get we can easily fix in post 22:36:35 <TrueBrain> 's/center|none/center/g' is one of those :P 22:38:37 <TrueBrain> and for good measure, 's/none|center/none/g' .. at least, I think .. 22:38:42 <TrueBrain> hard to know what mediawiki does in the end :P 22:39:34 <TrueBrain> yeah, I have that right 22:39:40 <TrueBrain> frosch123: can you already integrate those 2 seds in your export? 22:40:35 <frosch123> hmm, do you mean \| ? 22:40:40 <TrueBrain> also the variation with "center" -> "right" 22:40:42 <TrueBrain> no, I mean | 22:40:48 <TrueBrain> [[Image:Helicopter.png|right|none|frame|]] 22:41:09 <TrueBrain> that "none" doesn't do anything, basically 22:41:10 <frosch123> well, i can never remember what chars need escaping and which need unescaping :p 22:41:20 <TrueBrain> owh, sorry, I did not try the sed 22:41:25 <TrueBrain> possibly you need to escape shit, yes :D 22:41:26 <TrueBrain> haha 22:41:27 <TrueBrain> oops :) 22:42:26 <TrueBrain> no, do not escape it! DO NOT ESCAPE IT :P 22:42:27 <TrueBrain> haha 22:42:28 <frosch123> basic regex and extended regex are difficult :) 22:42:30 <TrueBrain> that went .. horribly wrong :P 22:42:37 <frosch123> add/remove \ until it works 22:42:39 <TrueBrain> sed -i 's/center|none/center/g' Page/ //*.mediawiki 22:42:42 <TrueBrain> that does what I expect :) 22:42:50 <TrueBrain> you can also fix it via wikitextparser btw 22:42:56 <TrueBrain> check if they are both in there, and remove the last one 22:43:01 <TrueBrain> but that "last one" might be tricky 22:43:02 <frosch123> well, i do it in python anyway, no sed 22:43:21 <TrueBrain> you use "re" or "regex" library? 22:43:25 <frosch123> re 22:43:36 <frosch123> but also wikitextparser 22:43:43 <andythenorth> is bedtime? 22:43:43 <frosch123> only re where wtp fails 22:43:46 <andythenorth> is bedtime 22:43:49 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:44:02 <frosch123> of re inside wtp 22:44:05 <frosch123> *or 22:44:09 <TrueBrain> well, if you could look to implement this in your export, would be nice; otherwise we can do it post 22:44:12 <TrueBrain> it is not the worst problem 22:44:19 <TrueBrain> just an easy way to fix N of these errors :P 22:45:07 <frosch123> my original plan was to apply the conversions on the full history, so images/links also work on older revisions. but for some changes that is weird :) 22:45:24 <TrueBrain> like? 22:45:39 <TrueBrain> owh, like this change .. 22:45:49 <TrueBrain> yeah, some changes just need to be a commit on top of the export tbh 22:45:53 <TrueBrain> "Fixing broken shit" :P 22:45:55 <frosch123> well, also the "remove edit link" 22:46:05 <TrueBrain> yeah, those are all post-fixes 22:46:20 <frosch123> well, i guess my script needs to learn post-fixes then :) 22:46:23 <TrueBrain> either click 37 times in the mediawiki interface, or a separate commit :P 22:46:32 <TrueBrain> your script will be huge :P 22:46:52 <TrueBrain> okay, I think I fixed most of the things I can fix 22:47:22 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 22:47:34 <frosch123> the scripts are smaller than their parameter files :) 22:47:42 <TrueBrain> :D 22:49:28 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I do assume you don't plan to export the whole of the history; just of those files you marked as interesting? :D 22:50:04 <TrueBrain> as in, you move the files to their new location from commit 1, right? 22:50:10 <TrueBrain> (and trash those we don't care about) 22:51:04 <frosch123> yes, deleted files do not exist in the history 22:51:09 <TrueBrain> cool 22:52:28 <TrueBrain> hmm .. making a "top 10" list of wiki pages accessed is tricky, because of the many ways you can access a single page :P 22:52:31 <frosch123> i also retroactively remove all redirects :) 22:52:48 <TrueBrain> yeah, so the history is already not really what the page was 22:52:54 <TrueBrain> it is already modified to work with TrueWiki :) 22:53:12 <frosch123> exactly, but the changes are only syntax, not content 22:53:25 <TrueBrain> yeah, content we can do in post, each their own commit or what-ever 22:53:26 <TrueBrain> sounds good 22:54:22 <TrueBrain> oef, scanning 90 days for wiki access turns out to be a lot of data to process :D 22:55:41 <frosch123> is the wiki used? or is everything from us and the pl translators? 22:56:07 <TrueBrain> it is used a lot :) 22:56:08 <frosch123> i guess api.php is pretty high on the list :p 22:56:31 <TrueBrain> hmm .. api.php is not in the list of today 22:56:35 <TrueBrain> which is a bit odd :P 22:57:20 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 22:57:40 <TrueBrain> ah, they are unique 22:57:45 <TrueBrain> so they don't show up in any top NN 22:58:38 <frosch123> yeah, i do get's with urlparam 22:58:47 <frosch123> -' 23:03:11 <frosch123> ninght 23:03:13 <frosch123> night 23:03:15 <TrueBrain> night 23:03:19 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 23:04:48 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:06:42 <TrueBrain> and for frosch123 when he gets back online: https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/230bd9c3f15af359779a495204140539 23:10:35 <TrueBrain> given how those URLs look, I guess I will configure something on AWS to redirect them as good as we can for a while .. on the other hand .. fuck that, search-engines will update fast enough anyway :P 23:18:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:39:55 *** matt21347 has quit IRC