Log for #openttd on 28th November 2020:
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10:27:57  <andythenorth> yo
10:27:59  <TrueBrain> hello
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10:28:30  <TrueBrain> I just want to sing to you ....
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10:50:34  * andythenorth now lost in portal wiki pages
10:55:43  <TrueBrain> Portal Reloaded in 2021 .. community based mod pack .. sounds really awesome :D
11:01:32  <andythenorth> oof the new Chrome icon is almost exactly like the old Photoshop icon
11:01:40  * andythenorth keeps switching to the wrong one :x
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11:20:40  * andythenorth considers 3 loading sprite states
11:20:43  <andythenorth> but grf size :(
11:24:17  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] erenes commented on issue #8330: No installation on Ubuntu 20.10 possible
11:36:50  <TrueBrain> <- I think this is all done now .. :) Took more time than I would like, but okay ... lot of odd edge-cases :P
11:36:56  <TrueBrain> logs are not live btw :P
11:37:22  <TrueBrain> people wrote invalid UTF-8 in some channels ... I mean, come on people :P
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11:46:08  <andythenorth> Tunnel not found ? o_O
11:46:14  * andythenorth wanted to send congrats but eh
11:46:21  <andythenorth> 'not live'
11:46:52  <TrueBrain> sorry, closed it :P
11:47:05  <TrueBrain> that was not really nice of me :)
11:47:36  <TrueBrain> I need to add a end-of-line-whitespace in a configuration, because ..... supybot is idiotic
11:47:40  <TrueBrain> but my editor doesn't allow me :P
11:48:36  * andythenorth lost in trains
11:48:46  <andythenorth> I seem to have made a modular cargo compositor previously
11:48:51  <andythenorth> and it seems to be extensible
11:49:10  <andythenorth> without really adding much complexity
11:49:14  <andythenorth> how odd
11:49:53  <andythenorth> hmm checking varact2 in the vehicle sprites chain, that's got no performance cost, right right right?
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11:53:09  <LordAro> TrueBrain: can't quote it?
11:53:52  <TrueBrain> LordAro: no ... it uses a REALLY stupid format :P
11:53:57  <TrueBrain> it is okay, I found a way around it :)
11:56:13  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #8330: No installation on Ubuntu 20.10 possible
11:56:22  <LordAro> TrueBrain: oh dear
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12:15:00  <andythenorth> someone should make a grf for these
12:32:35  <TrueBrain> supybot.registry.NonExistentRegistryEntry: 'set' is not a valid entry in 'supybot.plugins.BetterServices.NickServ.password'
12:32:39  <TrueBrain> this is totaly gibberish to me
12:32:42  <TrueBrain> like .. what does it even say?
12:33:45  <andythenorth> oof
12:33:52  * andythenorth is as confused as you
12:34:05  <andythenorth> meanwhile someone should make a grf for *these* also
12:39:55  <TrueBrain> there is an absolute and total lack of documentation ... ugh .....
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13:38:39  <Wolf01> andythenorth: these too
13:39:11  <andythenorth> random grf containing pacer, mining truck, and truck for transporting mining trucks
13:40:31  <frosch123> what percentage of users will leave that door to the stairs open?
13:40:59  <Wolf01> 99.999%
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13:55:56  <TrueBrain> battle of the bots :P
13:56:13  <andythenorth> had a bot once that was engineered to crash the other bot
13:56:20  <andythenorth> cyber bullying :|
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13:57:26  <TrueBrain> %op
13:57:26  *** DorpsGek_iv sets mode: +o TrueBrain
13:57:29  <TrueBrain> %deop
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13:57:36  <TrueBrain> right ... identification also works :)
13:58:12  <TrueBrain> <- with a gap in the logs of today, as I did not sync before starting .. but that works too (will leave it on this time andythenorth  :))
13:58:43  <andythenorth> I like the css :)
13:58:44  <andythenorth> it's nice
13:59:02  <TrueBrain> so the first thing someone does, it trying a month that does not exist? Really? :P
13:59:09  <TrueBrain> ah, it is listed
13:59:12  <TrueBrain> I was about to say, wtfffff :P
13:59:14  <TrueBrain> why is it listed ..
13:59:32  <TrueBrain> something created the folder .. lammmeeee
13:59:37  <andythenorth> it knows the future
13:59:44  <_dp_> yeah, I just clicked the latest :p
13:59:56  <TrueBrain> yeah, it was a bug on my side :) Fixed now :P
14:00:44  <glx> will III become a module for iv ?
14:00:53  <TrueBrain> it already is
14:02:01  <TrueBrain> %password
14:02:04  <TrueBrain> that no longer does anything :)
14:02:42  <DorpsGek> %whoami
14:02:42  <DorpsGek_iv> DorpsGek: I don't recognize you.
14:03:34  <TrueBrain> I like that I made DorpsGek_iv ghost DorpsGek , but DorpsGek was quick enough to reghost or something that it only lost his name :P
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14:04:29  <TrueBrain> it is not like you are banned from changing back for a while
14:04:39  <TrueBrain> so in theory ... I guess you can still claim a nick of someone else?
14:04:47  <TrueBrain> you just have to be quick enough to rename back :P
14:04:50  <TrueBrain> is that a bug? :D
14:05:08  <glx> you can always regain if indentified
14:05:17  <TrueBrain> that is what DorpsGek_iv did
14:05:26  <TrueBrain> but before he could rename to DorpsGek, DorpsGek reclaimed his name again
14:05:48  <TrueBrain> (that is why DorpsGek was named as Guest for a short moment
14:06:00  <glx> but they both identify as the same entity I guess
14:06:12  <TrueBrain> I guess .. not sure if it used NickServ to reclaim his nick
14:06:40  <TrueBrain> it was unexpected nevertheless :)
14:06:59  <glx> too bad I can't try an infinite say loop ;)
14:07:20  <TrueBrain> there is a reason I did not implement %say :P
14:07:39  <TrueBrain> s/implement/enable/
14:08:12  <glx> reminds me of hey google/alexa fight videos
14:08:46  <TrueBrain> I think DorpsGek_iv can now be deployed to AWS, and replace DorpsGek_III  ...
14:08:59  <TrueBrain> and even DorpsGek .. I just need to finish pushing the logs to S3
14:09:04  <TrueBrain> but that is not needed yet
14:12:04  <andythenorth> oof I thought I could optimise sprite generation
14:12:52  <andythenorth> I tried removing about 1000 instances of open-copy-crop for images
14:13:05  <andythenorth> saves 1.10s on a 20s compile, not really exciting :|
14:13:22  <FLHerne> In nml, or your templating?
14:13:33  <andythenorth> python graphics compositing
14:13:40  <andythenorth> not nml
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14:14:56  <andythenorth> I usually run it with 16 pooled threads, so the saving would be about 0.07s
14:15:44  <andythenorth> I didn't look at memory use
14:16:31  * andythenorth tests
14:16:35  <andythenorth> doesn't really signify
14:29:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain opened pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
14:29:27  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
14:29:31  <TrueBrain> the mandatory 2-push approach
14:31:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
14:41:01  <glx> %whoami
14:42:53  <frosch123> i didn't know that the was unique
14:43:05  <frosch123> i thought it is randomly assigned on join
14:44:05  <glx> would be a pain to manage ban lists
14:44:24  <TrueBrain> I keep surprising you with .users. things services offer :)
14:44:55  <TrueBrain> but I cheated; glx showed me it was stable :P
14:45:08  <TrueBrain> (as he had it as his hostmask for DorpsGek )
14:45:13  <glx> well my IP is stable too
14:45:48  <glx> just sometimes it's IPv6, sometimes it's IPv4
14:49:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] frosch123 approved pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
14:49:22  <frosch123> i like how it leaks the name of the secret channel :)
14:50:01  <TrueBrain> yeah, I did wonder if I should do anything about that ... but ... we all know how easy it is to kick people .. and one can debate if that channel still have a use at all :)
14:50:27  <frosch123> i think it was used 3 times this year :)
14:51:21  <TrueBrain> I wouldn't know; I haven't been in it for months :P
14:51:53  <frosch123> yeah, but we know you can read the logs, so we still cannot make fun of you
14:52:11  <TrueBrain> haha, that is true, I can read the logs ... didn't even realise :P
14:52:17  <TrueBrain> with the new bot that will be a lot harder
14:52:48  <TrueBrain> I am pretty sure I forgot to add users btw .. the ones I added I knew the oftc handle of
14:53:21  <glx> you can't ask DorpsGek about the list of known users ?
14:53:37  <frosch123> you missed our lord
14:53:38  <TrueBrain> most people did not have their users.oftc thingy in there
14:53:41  <frosch123> the rest is not active anway
14:53:45  <glx> and their capabilities
14:54:12  <TrueBrain> owh, and I haven't checked yet if I missed any channel ..
14:54:19  <TrueBrain> I assume is no longer in use?
14:54:31  <frosch123> .noai neither :)
14:54:34  <TrueBrain> glx: is #opendune still used? You happen to know?
14:54:56  <glx> it's very quiet :)
14:55:07  <TrueBrain> should I still add DorpsGek there?
14:55:59  <TrueBrain> frosch123: cannot add our lord, as I don't know his oftc handle .. he currently is not identified
14:56:08  <TrueBrain> same for pm
14:56:38  <frosch123> ok, so they have to pr if they care :)
14:56:43  <TrueBrain> yup
14:56:58  <TrueBrain> glx: I will add #opendune, with you as operator :P
14:57:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
14:57:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
14:57:19  <TrueBrain> frosch123: did you like the ugly hacks I had to write around supybot? :P
14:57:37  <TrueBrain> I mostly love my AaaHideCommands plugin :)
14:57:52  <TrueBrain> (the updated PR only changes users.conf btw)
14:58:01  <frosch123> well, you already spoiled that the past days
14:58:53  <TrueBrain> and in good news, I can now deploy a staging version of this bot, so I no longer have to YOLO it so much every month :P
14:59:02  <frosch123> what does "capability admin" do?
14:59:14  <TrueBrain> it gives you the power to op it in channels via ChanServ
14:59:23  <TrueBrain> if you do "@services op", it will attempt that
14:59:32  <TrueBrain> might require a "@services identify" first
14:59:37  <frosch123> ah, that one
14:59:51  <frosch123> you always had to do that in .dev, or it stopped announcing commits
15:00:13  <TrueBrain> not sure if .dev gives DorpsGek the power to do so via ChanServ, honestly
15:00:27  <glx> I usually voiced III in .notice
15:00:40  <TrueBrain> yes, DorpsGek_III cannot become voices himself
15:00:57  <glx> well I asked DorpsGek to voice DorpsGek_III
15:00:58  <TrueBrain> but baby dorpsgek should now be able; if not, it is a misconfigured of the channel via ChanServ :)
15:01:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] frosch123 approved pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
15:04:38  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain merged pull request #39: Add: integrate Limnoria into the IRC bot, to extend its capabilities
15:04:42  <TrueBrain> cheers frosch123
15:04:49  <TrueBrain> tomorrow or so I will see about deploying this :)
15:05:51  <TrueBrain> that will be interesting, I can tell you already :P
15:06:31  <TrueBrain> and I guess now I first going to change mailservers
15:08:02  <frosch123> let's hope or*dge does not shut us down for not paying our bills
15:08:13  <glx> oh I still have them set in my different mail clients (even if they are useless since the forwarding)
15:08:24  <TrueBrain> is orudge being a slacker and not paying the bill for his own company? Tssk :P :D
15:16:01  <TrueBrain> okay, created mailboxes for fonsinchen , planetmaker and rubidium on the new server
15:16:08  <TrueBrain> guess ... I can flip the switch .. :D
15:16:23  <TrueBrain> well, maybe orudge could run imap sync first
15:16:26  <TrueBrain> might be better
15:16:37  <TrueBrain> (on info@, that is)
15:17:41  <TrueBrain> although for a while email will arrive on both boxes
15:17:46  <TrueBrain> as .. that is the nature of DNS :)
15:17:56  <TrueBrain> well, not both, either one
15:19:57  <TrueBrain> copied the missing ones manually :)
15:20:06  <TrueBrain> okay, zone changes made
15:20:24  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I did tell you that the info@ password is changed on the new server, right?
15:20:55  <frosch123> no, i just assume that when my client tells me it's wrong, i would look into 1pw
15:21:23  <frosch123> is that a safe strategy?
15:21:59  <TrueBrain> yes
15:22:03  <TrueBrain> very safe :)
15:22:56  <frosch123> when that fails, the next strategy would be trying "123" or "ilovetb"
15:23:04  <TrueBrain> :D
15:23:13  <TrueBrain> okay, mail flows correctly through the new mailserver now
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15:24:08  <TrueBrain> I will clean up the DNS records next week, when I shut down the old mail server
15:24:18  <TrueBrain> just to give the world some time to pick up on the DNS change :)
15:24:26  <TrueBrain> right ... another issue resolved! ALMOST THEREEEEE
15:24:43  <frosch123> the old server expires next friday, so nice timing :)
15:24:58  <TrueBrain> as in, in 6 days, or 13?
15:25:05  <frosch123> 6
15:25:09  <TrueBrain> hmmm
15:25:42  <TrueBrain> we will have to see if that is possible :)
15:26:01  <frosch123> not sure whether someone is used to auto-extending it :)
15:26:24  <TrueBrain> "auto"-extending is a manual action :P
15:26:35  <TrueBrain> but he knows we are nearing completiong
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16:32:34  <orudge> Yes, normally I would renew it a) for 3 months or so at a time and b) sooner, but I knew we were getting close to completing the migration
16:34:50  <orudge> I'll do a final resync of -mail in a few days
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17:52:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
17:52:01  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:57:10  <andythenorth> can have a flag to suppress nml constant optimisations? :D
19:57:25  <andythenorth> they are masking my errors :D
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20:04:47  <TrueBrain> yeah, that was the moment frosch realised he had to run :P
20:08:06  <andythenorth> frosch often leaves shortly after I ask a question
20:08:12  <TrueBrain> take the hint! :P
20:08:14  <TrueBrain> <3
20:08:26  <andythenorth> aiding my guilt nicely there TrueBrain :(
20:08:32  <TrueBrain> :D No need ;)
20:08:49  <TrueBrain> haven't gotten a single wiki complaint in the last week .. seems the latest change nudged people in enough of a direction to calm them down
20:08:54  <andythenorth> hurrah!
20:09:04  <andythenorth> do you need more 'feedback'? :D
20:09:16  <TrueBrain> if you can put it in a PR, sure :)
20:10:28  <TrueBrain> still cannot believe google hasn't updated .. bing has, duckduckgo has .. it is just google being a fucking idiot
20:10:37  <andythenorth> it's quite annoying
20:11:12  <TrueBrain> that it is for sure
20:11:21  <TrueBrain> happens if the world depends too much on a single provider
20:11:28  <TrueBrain> bad things always happen in those cases :)
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20:15:10  <TrueBrain> 90% of the 404s currently being generated (around 50 every 5 minutes) are by crawlers
20:15:41  <TrueBrain> many really like to crawl the Special pages :)
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20:36:04  <_dp_> spam servers still there :(
20:36:23  <_dp_> TrueBrain, didn't you want to filter them out in new master server?
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20:39:28  <TrueBrain> Any thought how to do it in an elegant way?
20:39:52  <TrueBrain> I believe on IP was not really an option
20:40:11  <_dp_> by substring?
20:40:30  <TrueBrain> Wouldn't they just change minor stuff and bypass it?
20:41:17  <_dp_> well, if you ban their website it should kinda defeat the purpose :p
20:41:28  <FLHerne> They haven't bothered to update server version for months, so they're pretty much buried if you're running 1.10.3
20:41:43  <FLHerne> i.e. they're pretty lazy about their spamming
20:42:27  <TrueBrain> Ghehe
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