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ill anymore, no matter what... ok, I'll start smart wrecking then 09:36:57 *** roadt__ has joined #openttd 09:42:24 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:44:00 *** roadt_ has quit IRC 11:17:52 *** Samu has joined #openttd 11:37:41 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 11:39:13 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 12:23:15 <TrueBrain> Lol .. arbitrary amount of days being arbitrary :D 12:23:48 *** Samu has quit IRC 12:24:06 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:01:00 <Wolf01> How is going with Open Tiles To Draw (correctly expanded acronym) deployment on linux? 13:12:48 *** Samu has joined #openttd 13:17:51 *** Wuzzy has joined #openttd 13:18:42 <TrueBrain> running every night; seems to be doing fine :) 13:19:03 <Wolf01> :) 13:19:22 <Wuzzy> Hello, I have made a PR that would make all sounds in OpenSFX libre, check it out here: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenSFX/pull/13 13:21:39 <TrueBrain> https://steamcommunity.com/app/1536610/discussions/0/3111394035971437199/ <- some questions are just plain weird 13:23:21 <Wolf01> It's like people need to ask questions only because they can 13:23:38 <TrueBrain> and not do the bare minimum to find out themselves 13:23:39 <Wolf01> No matter what if they make sense or are really interested on the reply 13:24:44 <LordAro> the mouse cursor one is interesting 13:24:49 <LordAro> i feel like that was fixed in 1.10 13:25:09 <TrueBrain> it feels like someone thinks he is not getting enough attention, honestly 13:25:12 <TrueBrain> he posted it in two places 13:25:19 <TrueBrain> in a way that I would consider ... "high demand" :P 13:26:41 <TrueBrain> LordAro: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7006 <- still an open issue at least 13:27:31 <Wolf01> I watched a streaming from Japan on youtube some days ago where people asked the guys absurd questions, totally unrelated with what they were doing, a lot of personal questions and only 1-3 asked about what they were doing or the current situation... Streamers: "we are now approaching the SkyTree in Tokyo" RandomGuy: "do you like anime?" 13:29:31 <LordAro> perhaps 13:30:55 <TrueBrain> right, replied to all except that hardware cursor thingy 13:31:03 <TrueBrain> that is just a rude post, so I don't feel like replying to it :D 13:31:28 <TrueBrain> when people start to use "obvious fix", I sign out :P 13:32:41 <TrueBrain> that said, OpenTTD's way of rendering is a bit odd and off 13:32:47 <TrueBrain> especially on Windows now :) 13:36:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish https://git.io/JtrLA 13:36:52 <TrueBrain> finally made the ticket \o/ 13:36:59 <TrueBrain> we should fix that for 1.11 honestly .. but I just don't knw how :) 13:37:09 <LordAro> closed, duplicate of #7006 :p 13:37:21 <TrueBrain> not really :) 13:37:53 <TrueBrain> it is not flickering for me, sorry :P 13:38:02 <LordAro> i've never noticed it either 13:38:11 <TrueBrain> I really wouldn't even know what they talk about, honestly 13:38:18 <TrueBrain> as the mouse is always drawn, as far as I know 13:38:19 <TrueBrain> sluggish, sure 13:38:22 <TrueBrain> but flickering? 13:38:56 <TrueBrain> anyway, I am pretty sure OpenGL will fix their issue, honestly 13:39:01 <TrueBrain> so I am not too worried about 7006 13:39:12 <TrueBrain> 8658 on the other hand, is a real issue .. Sleep(1) taking 60+ms really is an issue 13:39:20 <TrueBrain> @calc 1000 / 60 13:39:20 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 16.666666666666668 13:39:24 <TrueBrain> bit low fps :D 13:39:24 <LordAro> mm 13:39:28 <milek7> use timeBeginPeriod? 13:40:09 <LordAro> i think i might have been linked this from here, but... https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2020/10/04/windows-timer-resolution-the-great-rule-change/ 13:40:44 <TrueBrain> LordAro: have you read my ticket at all? 13:40:48 <TrueBrain> or just assumed it was about something? :P 13:40:48 <LordAro> nope 13:40:56 <TrueBrain> shame on you sir .. shame on you 13:41:01 <LordAro> milek7 was the one who said timeBeginPeriod! 13:54:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #8659: Change: "(Business/Chair)man" to "(Business/Chair)person" https://git.io/Jtrqd 13:54:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/JtrqF 13:54:54 <TrueBrain> LordAro: well, I would say: write it in the PR! But ... I already did that when opening it :P 13:55:07 <TrueBrain> I sometimes remember URLs people give me! :D 13:55:31 <TrueBrain> wow, nice review LordAro :D 13:56:02 <LordAro> i should have lunch 13:56:10 <TrueBrain> this was a better use of time :D 13:56:21 <LordAro> but now i'm hungry :( 13:56:23 <supermop_Home> what's for lunch? 13:56:42 <LordAro> probably pasta 13:56:46 <LordAro> because i'm feeling lazy 13:57:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Wuzzy2 commented on pull request #8659: Change: "(Business/Chair)man" to "(Business/Chair)person" https://git.io/Jtrmk 14:00:41 <LordAro> oh no 14:00:46 <LordAro> i forgot i had a meeting at 2 14:12:36 <TrueBrain> oops ... 14:20:52 <orudge> Wuzzy: sorry, I didn't get a chance to look at it last night. I probably won't have time to look at it tonight either, but when I'm not busy with other things, I will try to have a look. Somebody else might want to look in the mean time of course anyway. 14:21:38 <Wuzzy> ok 14:21:49 <Wuzzy> plz notify me in chat when you reviewed 14:22:13 <Wuzzy> because i plan to push follow-up PR right after that 14:22:28 <LordAro> GH will email you by default 14:23:38 <Wuzzy> orudge: or should I push the README/license.txt update in the same PR? 14:23:43 <Wuzzy> to speed things up? 14:24:13 <LordAro> There's no issues with having multiple PRs at once 14:24:27 <LordAro> just put a big comment saying that "Depends on PR #xx" 14:24:30 <Wuzzy> well, they depend on each other... 14:24:44 <LordAro> we can cope, promise 14:25:08 <Wuzzy> want to look at OpenSFX#13? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenSFX/pull/13 14:25:14 <Wuzzy> or rather, "hear"? 😉 14:34:27 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:36:32 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 14:40:11 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 14:40:24 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 14:45:10 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 14:45:24 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 14:53:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] erenes commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish https://git.io/JtrLA 14:55:07 *** viper1829 has joined #openttd 14:56:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish https://git.io/JtrLA 15:00:10 *** viper1829 has quit IRC 15:00:35 *** viper1829 has joined #openttd 15:08:40 *** viper1829 has quit IRC 15:27:54 *** Flygon_ has quit IRC 15:33:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/JtrZp 15:34:07 *** viper1829 has joined #openttd 15:34:39 *** Progman has joined #openttd 15:38:25 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #6: Seeking permission to re-license the sound edits by OpenTTD contributors https://git.io/Jtn8G 15:38:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 closed issue #6: Seeking permission to re-license the sound edits by OpenTTD contributors https://git.io/Jtn8G 15:44:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened issue #15: Release 1.0.0 https://git.io/JtrnF 15:47:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 updated pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/JtrZp 15:59:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker approved pull request #13: Re-edit some sounds to relicense them https://git.io/JtrCk 16:03:36 *** viper1829 has quit IRC 16:34:38 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 16:35:50 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 16:35:57 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:36:16 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 16:36:34 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 16:39:40 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 updated pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/JtrZp 16:40:27 *** glx has joined #openttd 16:40:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 16:43:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened issue #16: Delete .devzone? https://git.io/Jtrlx 16:44:04 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 16:44:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #15: Release 1.0.0 https://git.io/JtrnF 16:45:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #15: Release 1.0.0 https://git.io/JtrnF 16:55:27 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 16:59:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] grossws commented on pull request #7851: Change: add support for next/previous railtype global hotkeys https://git.io/Jtr8Q 17:04:53 <_dp_> that way of adding hotkeys really is quite gross :p 17:14:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish https://git.io/JtrLA 17:15:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone? https://git.io/Jtrlx 17:21:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #7: Replace outdated Mercurial stuff, update README https://git.io/JtrBG 17:22:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone? https://git.io/Jtrlx 17:23:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] LordAro approved pull request #7: Replace outdated Mercurial stuff, update README https://git.io/JtrB0 17:24:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #17: Remove: .devzone directory https://git.io/JtrB2 17:25:34 <TrueBrain> indeed LordAro , removing .devzone is premature; it contains lot of valuable information for who-ever ports it to GitHub Actions :) 17:25:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 commented on pull request #7: Replace outdated Mercurial stuff, update README https://git.io/JtrBo 17:33:23 <Wuzzy> Where are the OpenGFX/OpenMSX/OpenSFX strings translated? 17:33:44 <LordAro> they're not, currently 17:33:53 <LordAro> so... the repo? 17:33:59 <Wuzzy> ok 17:37:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #52: Change: German translation https://git.io/JtrRl 17:38:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #8: Remove: .devzone directory https://git.io/JtrR2 17:40:01 <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: just "removing" .devzone is not a good idea as we mentioned earlier already. It should be ported to GitHub Actions 17:40:14 <TrueBrain> lot of valuable information in that folder to do just that 17:40:19 <TrueBrain> something something not reinventing wheels :D 17:40:35 <Wuzzy> hrm 17:40:36 <LordAro> i'll hbe honest, there's not *a lot* of valuable information 17:40:38 <glx> yeah first convert, then close 17:40:56 <Wuzzy> it will always be in history tho. but whatever 17:41:40 <TrueBrain> LordAro: it saves someone from figuring out all those annoying ZIP=... ZIPFLAGS=... 17:41:41 <TrueBrain> shit 17:41:54 <TrueBrain> hmm, weird newline :D 17:42:12 <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: basically, just removing it is the easy way out :) Doing it proper always takes a bit more time, but gives a much better result :) 17:42:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #9: Change: German translation https://git.io/JtrRd 17:42:31 <TrueBrain> LordAro: "make bundle_zip bundle_src ZIP="7za a" ZIP_FLAGS="-tzip -mx9"" <- I mean, would you have guessed that? :D 17:42:53 <Wuzzy> Do you have a checklist of what that GitHub actions needs to do? 17:42:58 <LordAro> probably not immediately 17:44:08 <Wuzzy> also, isn't it a bit problematic that you'll want to make the release workflow (partially) dependant on a proprietary SaaS essentially? 🙁 17:44:12 <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX/commits/master/.github/workflows <- this is what I did for OpenGFX :) 17:44:52 <TrueBrain> and how do you consider that a problem? Next step is: should you depend on Open Source someone else maintains? And before you know it, you are all doing it yourself :) 17:45:02 <TrueBrain> especially in Open Source, you have to spend your time wisely 17:45:10 <TrueBrain> it is the one commodity we have, and it is always in short supply 17:45:24 *** arikover has joined #openttd 17:45:28 <Wuzzy> what does that have to do with anything? *confused face* 17:45:55 <Wuzzy> i'm not sure if i understand the usecase of GitHub actions WRT OpenGFX/SFX/MSX 17:46:20 <LordAro> a) checking that they actually build b) generating (release) bundles automatically 17:46:21 <TrueBrain> a human typing in the right commands to make a release, uploading it to the right place, etc etc == baaaadddddddddddd 17:47:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish https://git.io/JtrLA 17:47:16 <glx> if someone with at least 2004 wants to test :) 17:47:24 <TrueBrain> wow, glx is quick 17:47:26 <TrueBrain> sure 17:47:39 <glx> basically same as SDL 17:47:41 <TrueBrain> I will add TIC/TOCs to proof it even :) 17:47:44 <TrueBrain> SDL does this for you already 17:47:47 <TrueBrain> nothing to do with SDL :) 17:47:57 <glx> yeah I check SDL source :) 17:47:57 <Wuzzy> what will you do it MS will shutdown GitHub Actions? 17:48:19 <TrueBrain> what-if, what-if .. you can write books full of what-ifs 17:48:30 <LordAro> Wuzzy: the same thing we're doing now when devzone got "shutdown" 17:48:47 <Wuzzy> i dont know the history of devzone tho 17:48:48 <LordAro> the fact that the backend is proprietary is irrelevant 17:48:54 <LordAro> it's just a platform 17:48:59 <TrueBrain> or any of the other CFs we had? :P 17:49:03 <TrueBrain> I lost count :D 17:49:11 <LordAro> just a platform that we run a series of commands on 17:49:15 <glx> we used azure before GHA 17:49:20 <Wuzzy> i see 17:49:27 <glx> and custom CF before that 17:49:43 <Wuzzy> so if all else fails, releases *could* still be done manually if really needed? 17:49:46 <LordAro> if the program itself actually depends on GH Actions/AWS/whatever i can understand 17:49:50 <LordAro> exactly 17:49:59 <LordAro> we're just using their computers 17:50:08 <Wuzzy> ok so OpenX does not *really* depend then... 17:50:16 <LordAro> bingo :) 17:50:18 <glx> it's just a tool 17:50:29 <glx> a nice tool 17:50:34 <LordAro> the website and assorted other web infrastructure on the other hand... 17:50:36 <LordAro> but that's necessary 17:51:04 <TrueBrain> "depend" is even a strong word there LordAro :) 17:51:11 <LordAro> true :) 17:51:14 <TrueBrain> it all runs on OCI containers 17:51:34 <glx> btw it's way easier to write stuff for GHA than AsurePipelines (at least all the trial and error phase) 17:51:40 <TrueBrain> "automate and abstract your work till you no longer have a job" .. they way everyone should approach IT :) 17:52:38 <Wuzzy> I feel like we (as in, "we the FOSS community") need our own GitHub eventually. Like GitHub, but owned by The People(TM) instead of corporations, and fully FOSS-ed, of course. how awesome would that be if we had something like that? 17:53:05 <Wuzzy> i mean, i get why GitHub exploded. the Network Effect is strong in that one, sadly 🙁 17:53:14 <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: I do not see how it is more or less awesome than GitHub? 17:53:21 <TrueBrain> just for the fact of having? 17:53:26 <Wuzzy> although i really really hate the bugtracking on GitHub 17:53:29 <glx> there's also GitLab I think 17:53:39 <TrueBrain> I for one am really happy a big corp is taking on this job ... pretty sure it would burn up in flames if it was truly run by "The People" :P 17:53:53 <glx> haha you never touched other bug tracker then 17:53:54 <LordAro> GitLab is marginally more open 17:54:18 <Wuzzy> what is the worst bugtracker? 17:54:26 <Wuzzy> I LOVE Bugzilla btw 17:54:42 <LordAro> Bugzilla is decidedly showing its age 17:54:46 <LordAro> and also it's a dead project 17:54:55 <Wuzzy> idc. it works and has everything i need 17:55:09 <LordAro> well good for you 17:55:11 <Wuzzy> what does "showing its age" even mean? 17:55:14 <Wuzzy> thats so vague 17:55:38 <glx> interface design mainly 17:56:17 <LordAro> it's a large blob of perl which last had a release (even bugfix) nearly 3 years ago 17:56:25 <Wuzzy> GitHub bugtracker sucks because you only have labels and thats it. no proper categories, no priorities, no severity, awful search, tiny amount of issues per-page 17:57:12 <LordAro> agree, agree, agree, search has been very good in my experience, i've never had an issue though mostly agree it could be customisable 17:57:13 <Wuzzy> there are only two states. open and closed. very cheap 17:57:32 <Wuzzy> you can't really "save" your search, right? 17:57:33 <glx> we used to have categories, user never choose the right one 17:57:49 <TrueBrain> all those fields we had for bugs ... most either not used or wrongly used :D 17:57:52 <TrueBrain> that were fun times ... 17:58:03 <TrueBrain> when importing to GitHub that was especially interesting :) 17:58:46 <Xaroth> People only have one choice for github issues and they still use it wrongly, I mean... would you really want to have categories? 17:58:47 <Wuzzy> well thats why you abstract this stuff away from the reporter as good as you can 17:59:15 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish https://git.io/JtrLA 18:00:12 <Wuzzy> I feel like this argument about "old" interfaces is a very subject one. I never take arguments of this kind serious. 18:01:18 <Wuzzy> if you had a choice, which bugtracker would u use for OpenTTD now? 18:01:23 <Xaroth> Github 18:01:25 <TrueBrain> why am I just waiting for this to end up in an "emacs is awesome" debate? :D 18:01:55 <Wuzzy> what is so great about GitHub bugtracking? 18:02:12 <Wuzzy> (compared to others) 18:02:20 <LordAro> it's integrated into GitHub 18:02:24 <Xaroth> ^ 18:02:32 <LordAro> as long as it's vaguely functional, i don't really care otherwise 18:02:38 <Xaroth> It's part of the development flow, and it's not a complete PITA for users to use 18:02:38 <LordAro> as long as it's not Jirea 18:02:42 <LordAro> -e 18:02:49 <Wuzzy> LOL 18:03:24 <TrueBrain> LordAro: well, good news, you will see a lot less Jira in corp-setups soon enough :) 18:03:39 <Wuzzy> in my experience, GitHub-style bugtracking becomes really painful if you have like >900 issues. really hard to keep an good overview 🙁 18:03:56 <Wuzzy> since OpenTTD has "only" 100, perhaps not a big deal so far 🙂 18:04:32 <Xaroth> It's all a matter of how you manage it 18:04:51 <Xaroth> the last Ansible sprint there were >2k issues and it was not a problem to go through them 18:05:53 <Wuzzy> how? 18:06:33 <Xaroth> a usable development flow and some collaboration? 18:07:16 <Wuzzy> but 20+ pages of issues lol. i dont understand how you can deal with that. i really dont understand 18:07:34 <LordAro> ansible use a *lot* of labels 18:07:41 <Xaroth> yep 18:07:45 <Xaroth> makes it easy to filter 18:07:47 <TrueBrain> you can sort and filter on labels .. so you have unlimited "fields" 18:07:53 <Wuzzy> my biggest issue is that there is no button for "sort bugs by priority/severity/importance" 18:07:58 <TrueBrain> you can have severity, priority, and all that crap, with labels 18:08:00 <Wuzzy> important bugs just dont rise to the top. 18:08:02 <Xaroth> make labels for priority/severity/importance 18:08:10 <Xaroth> and presto, you can filter on them :D 18:08:10 <Wuzzy> but you can't sort by that, cant ya? 18:08:14 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:08:24 <Xaroth> Do you have to? 18:08:29 <Wuzzy> of course! 18:08:36 <Xaroth> if you want to know the most severe issues, you surely only want to see the most severe issues? 18:08:38 <Wuzzy> important issues should rise to the top 18:08:42 <Xaroth> who gives two hoots about the less severe ones 18:09:20 <Wuzzy> lets say u have 5 importance levels. so you need 5 labels. meaning you have to do 5 independent searches 18:09:42 <Wuzzy> you can't request something like "give me ALL issues, sorted by importance". it doesnt work 18:09:42 <Xaroth> As opposed to doing a sort and then scrolling through 50 pages? :P 18:10:06 <Wuzzy> well, the fact that GitHub only shows like 20 issues and that is hardcoded is another obvious UX fail 18:10:38 <LordAro> bugzilla doesn't have any pagination 18:10:52 <Wuzzy> ???? 18:11:22 <LordAro> i'm pointing out to Xaroth why "scrolling through 50 pages" might not be a consideration for you 18:12:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #8660: Fix: [Win32] Set minimum resolution for timers to 1ms. https://git.io/Jtrui 18:12:48 <Wuzzy> oh right. i never noticed the lack of pagniation in bugzilla. guess i never missed such a feature 18:12:56 <FLHerne> Yeah, bugzilla bug lists are one line of text 18:13:05 <Wuzzy> i like to have all issues on one view, rather than spread out on 1000s of pages 18:13:17 <FLHerne> I can scroll through hundreds of them 18:13:30 <FLHerne> OTOH, bugzilla's UX for submitters totally sucks 18:13:50 <FLHerne> Particularly if someone's overused the projects/categories lists 18:13:53 <Wuzzy> well that one is true 18:15:08 <Wuzzy> but in my experience, my bug reporters never had that big of a problem with bugzilla so far... 18:15:35 <Wuzzy> but usually they get severity wrong, but i dont blame them. i just re-assign the severity myself. easy. 18:15:40 <Wuzzy> (i dont have many bug reports lol) 18:15:48 <Xaroth> Were those technical reporters or regular joe/jane reporters? 18:17:16 <Wuzzy> both 18:17:21 <Wuzzy> but mostly the latter 18:17:45 <Wuzzy> i still think there is too much information they have to select 18:17:55 <Wuzzy> info they dont neccessarily even have 18:18:09 <Wuzzy> like "component" 18:19:00 <Wuzzy> I agree, from the reporter view, the interface must be dumbed down as much as reasonably possible. 18:22:55 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:25:35 <Wuzzy> If the OpenSFX thing is finished, will there be a big announcement on the front page? 18:28:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:28:19 <andythenorth> FML 18:28:49 <TrueBrain> what happened andythenorth ? :( 18:29:24 <andythenorth> I am hungry 18:29:28 <andythenorth> and nobody is making me food 18:29:37 <glx> haha OpenMSX Makefile is basically a copy paste of generic grf Makefile 18:29:58 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] frosch123 opened pull request #79: Change: migrate OpenTTD user Hyronymus to GitHub user JOtto-NL https://git.io/Jtrzp 18:30:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone? https://git.io/Jtrlx 18:31:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] fmodesto opened issue #8661: Orders not showing correctly in the UI https://git.io/JtrgT 18:31:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] TrueBrain approved pull request #79: Change: migrate OpenTTD user Hyronymus to GitHub user JOtto-NL https://git.io/JtrgI 18:32:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] TrueBrain merged pull request #79: Change: migrate OpenTTD user Hyronymus to GitHub user JOtto-NL https://git.io/Jtrzp 18:32:10 <TrueBrain> frosch123: they keep on coming :D 18:32:22 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you can pay people to make you dinner, you know that right? :D 18:34:02 <andythenorth> I had forgotten! 18:34:06 <andythenorth> I press a button and food arrives 18:34:11 <andythenorth> on a scooter 18:35:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge approved pull request #8660: Fix: [Win32] Set minimum resolution for timers to 1ms. https://git.io/Jtrgg 18:37:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone? https://git.io/Jtrlx 18:42:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/Jtr2k 18:57:19 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 19:56:30 * andythenorth made own food 20:00:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/JtroT 20:01:12 <supermop_Home> trying to work on portfolio and digging for files across a pile of various external hdds and thumb drives 20:01:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/Jtrom 20:02:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/JtroG 20:02:23 <andythenorth> michi_cc I don't have time to test any further (very much much work) 20:02:25 <andythenorth> but 20:02:30 <andythenorth> I am hoping to not work next week 20:02:41 <andythenorth> or we could release a binary for other mac users maybe? 20:03:17 <glx> I think a build of the PR is doable 20:03:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/Jtro8 20:03:36 <glx> release framework is ready for it 20:05:59 <andythenorth> it would be useful I think 20:06:32 <orudge> I will give it a test when I get a chance (tomorrow I hope) 20:06:36 <andythenorth> I have pretty much the highest spec mac laptop, which has weird performance bottlenecks, other people may have very different experiences 20:14:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/Jtro5 20:22:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish https://git.io/JtrLA 20:22:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #8660: Fix: [Win32] Set minimum resolution for timers to 1ms. https://git.io/Jtrui 20:23:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened issue #18: Make sounds for "unused" empty sounds? https://git.io/JtrK4 20:31:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] frosch123 commented on issue #18: Make sounds for "unused" empty sounds? https://git.io/JtrK4 20:37:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #18: Make sounds for "unused" empty sounds? https://git.io/JtrK4 20:40:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #8619: Unused sounds https://git.io/Jt4Mc 20:46:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 updated pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/JtrZp 21:01:53 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #4: Clarifying legal status of rubidium42's sounds https://git.io/JtnqQ 21:01:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 closed issue #4: Clarifying legal status of rubidium42's sounds https://git.io/JtnqQ 21:05:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #19: Replace Mercurial code with Git code https://git.io/JtrPG 21:54:27 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:56:17 <andythenorth> bed! 21:56:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:02:25 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:13:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened issue #8662: Company HQ cannot be bulldozed https://git.io/JtrMF 22:26:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:27:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on issue #8662: Company HQ cannot be bulldozed https://git.io/JtrMF 22:28:15 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #8662: Company HQ cannot be bulldozed https://git.io/JtrMF 22:29:05 <_dp_> you can flood it though 22:29:12 <TrueBrain> you evil bastard! 22:29:35 * _dp_ wonders how many citybuilder scripts crash with that 22:30:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/JtrDM 22:37:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #8661: Orders not showing correctly in the UI https://git.io/JtrgT 22:40:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge approved pull request #13: Re-edit some sounds to relicense them https://git.io/Jtry3 22:40:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge merged pull request #13: Re-edit some sounds to relicense them https://git.io/JtzX8 22:40:41 <_dp_> hm... "refit" button is centered in orders, all others aren't :p 22:41:04 <_dp_> totally unreladed I guess 22:41:25 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:41:36 <_dp_> ah, no, skip and delete are also centered xD 22:43:03 <_dp_> simple buttons are centered but dropdowns are not 22:43:33 <_dp_> and it gets even weirder when one change to the other 22:45:25 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro requested changes for pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/JtryP 22:46:05 <orudge> LordAro: It is "macOS" these days 22:46:20 <LordAro> thought it might be, but couldn't be bothered to check :p 22:47:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge requested changes for pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions https://git.io/JtryQ 22:49:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge approved pull request #17: Remove: .devzone directory https://git.io/JtryA 22:50:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge merged pull request #17: Remove: .devzone directory https://git.io/JtrB2 22:50:34 <LordAro> oh no 22:50:44 <LordAro> we weren't going to do that until the actions were done 22:51:03 <LordAro> ah well 22:51:36 <orudge> Ah, I missed that, sorry 22:56:02 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:56:38 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 23:03:50 *** gelignite has quit IRC 23:04:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] psh opened issue #8663: Publish a docker image https://git.io/JtrSX 23:05:42 <orudge> Docker image, FlatPak, Snap, how many other versions of effectively the same thing can there possibly be :D 23:10:41 *** nielsm has quit IRC 23:12:58 *** arikover has quit IRC 23:13:11 *** arikover has joined #openttd 23:18:59 *** arikover` has joined #openttd 23:24:20 *** arikover has quit IRC 23:24:30 <LordAro> urgh, docker images 23:24:50 <LordAro> how hard is "install dependencies, install openttd, install graphics pack" 23:25:05 <LordAro> pretty sure that is written down somewhere.. 23:27:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #8663: Publish a docker image https://git.io/JtrSX 23:59:11 *** glx has quit IRC