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01:02:18  <Wuzzy> orudge: have u looked/heard at the OpenSFX thing?
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09:14:28  <Wolf01> So, after 21 days you can't be ill anymore, no matter what... ok, I'll start smart wrecking then
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12:23:15  <TrueBrain> Lol  .. arbitrary amount of days being arbitrary :D
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13:01:00  <Wolf01> How is going with Open Tiles To Draw (correctly expanded acronym) deployment on linux?
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13:18:42  <TrueBrain> running every night; seems to be doing fine :)
13:19:03  <Wolf01> :)
13:19:22  <Wuzzy> Hello, I have made a PR that would make all sounds in OpenSFX libre, check it out here:
13:21:39  <TrueBrain> <- some questions are just plain weird
13:23:21  <Wolf01> It's like people need to ask questions only because they can
13:23:38  <TrueBrain> and not do the bare minimum to find out themselves
13:23:39  <Wolf01> No matter what if they make sense or are really interested on the reply
13:24:44  <LordAro> the mouse cursor one is interesting
13:24:49  <LordAro> i feel like that was fixed in 1.10
13:25:09  <TrueBrain> it feels like someone thinks he is not getting enough attention, honestly
13:25:12  <TrueBrain> he posted it in two places
13:25:19  <TrueBrain> in a way that I would consider ... "high demand" :P
13:26:41  <TrueBrain> LordAro: <- still an open issue at least
13:27:31  <Wolf01> I watched a streaming from Japan on youtube some days ago where people asked the guys absurd questions, totally unrelated with what they were doing, a lot of personal questions and only 1-3 asked about what they were doing or the current situation... Streamers: "we are now approaching the SkyTree in Tokyo" RandomGuy: "do you like anime?"
13:29:31  <LordAro> perhaps
13:30:55  <TrueBrain> right, replied to all except that hardware cursor thingy
13:31:03  <TrueBrain> that is just a rude post, so I don't feel like replying to it :D
13:31:28  <TrueBrain> when people start to use "obvious fix", I sign out :P
13:32:41  <TrueBrain> that said, OpenTTD's way of rendering is a bit odd and off
13:32:47  <TrueBrain> especially on Windows now :)
13:36:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish
13:36:52  <TrueBrain> finally made the ticket \o/
13:36:59  <TrueBrain> we should fix that for 1.11 honestly .. but I just don't knw how :)
13:37:09  <LordAro> closed, duplicate of #7006 :p
13:37:21  <TrueBrain> not really :)
13:37:53  <TrueBrain> it is not flickering for me, sorry :P
13:38:02  <LordAro> i've never noticed it either
13:38:11  <TrueBrain> I really wouldn't even know what they talk about, honestly
13:38:18  <TrueBrain> as the mouse is always drawn, as far as I know
13:38:19  <TrueBrain> sluggish, sure
13:38:22  <TrueBrain> but flickering?
13:38:56  <TrueBrain> anyway, I am pretty sure OpenGL will fix their issue, honestly
13:39:01  <TrueBrain> so I am not too worried about 7006
13:39:12  <TrueBrain> 8658 on the other hand, is a real issue .. Sleep(1) taking 60+ms really is an issue
13:39:20  <TrueBrain> @calc 1000 / 60
13:39:20  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 16.666666666666668
13:39:24  <TrueBrain> bit low fps :D
13:39:24  <LordAro> mm
13:39:28  <milek7> use timeBeginPeriod?
13:40:09  <LordAro> i think i might have been linked this from here, but...
13:40:44  <TrueBrain> LordAro: have you read my ticket at all?
13:40:48  <TrueBrain> or just assumed it was about something? :P
13:40:48  <LordAro> nope
13:40:56  <TrueBrain> shame on you sir .. shame on you
13:41:01  <LordAro> milek7 was the one who said timeBeginPeriod!
13:54:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #8659: Change: "(Business/Chair)man" to "(Business/Chair)person"
13:54:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver.
13:54:54  <TrueBrain> LordAro: well, I would say: write it in the PR! But ... I already did that when opening it :P
13:55:07  <TrueBrain> I sometimes remember URLs people give me! :D
13:55:31  <TrueBrain> wow, nice review LordAro  :D
13:56:02  <LordAro> i should have lunch
13:56:10  <TrueBrain> this was a better use of time :D
13:56:21  <LordAro> but now i'm hungry :(
13:56:23  <supermop_Home> what's for lunch?
13:56:42  <LordAro> probably pasta
13:56:46  <LordAro> because i'm feeling lazy
13:57:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Wuzzy2 commented on pull request #8659: Change: "(Business/Chair)man" to "(Business/Chair)person"
14:00:41  <LordAro> oh no
14:00:46  <LordAro> i forgot i had a meeting at 2
14:12:36  <TrueBrain> oops ...
14:20:52  <orudge> Wuzzy: sorry, I didn't get a chance to look at it last night. I probably won't have time to look at it tonight either, but when I'm not busy with other things, I will try to have a look. Somebody else might want to look in the mean time of course anyway.
14:21:38  <Wuzzy> ok
14:21:49  <Wuzzy> plz notify me in chat when you reviewed
14:22:13  <Wuzzy> because i plan to push follow-up PR right after that
14:22:28  <LordAro> GH will email you by default
14:23:38  <Wuzzy> orudge: or should I push the README/license.txt update in the same PR?
14:23:43  <Wuzzy> to speed things up?
14:24:13  <LordAro> There's no issues with having multiple PRs at once
14:24:27  <LordAro> just put a big comment saying that "Depends on PR #xx"
14:24:30  <Wuzzy> well, they depend on each other...
14:24:44  <LordAro> we can cope, promise
14:25:08  <Wuzzy> want to look at OpenSFX#13?
14:25:14  <Wuzzy> or rather, "hear"? 😉
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14:53:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] erenes commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish
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14:56:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish
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15:33:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
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15:38:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #6: Seeking permission to re-license the sound edits by OpenTTD contributors
15:38:28  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 closed issue #6: Seeking permission to re-license the sound edits by OpenTTD contributors
15:44:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened issue #15: Release 1.0.0
15:47:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 updated pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
15:59:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker approved pull request #13: Re-edit some sounds to relicense them
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16:39:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 updated pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
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16:43:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened issue #16: Delete .devzone?
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16:44:13  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #15: Release 1.0.0
16:45:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #15: Release 1.0.0
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16:59:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] grossws commented on pull request #7851: Change: add support for next/previous railtype global hotkeys
17:04:53  <_dp_> that way of adding hotkeys really is quite gross :p
17:14:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish
17:15:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone?
17:21:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #7: Replace outdated Mercurial stuff, update README
17:22:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone?
17:23:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] LordAro approved pull request #7: Replace outdated Mercurial stuff, update README
17:24:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #17: Remove: .devzone directory
17:25:34  <TrueBrain> indeed LordAro , removing .devzone is premature; it contains lot of valuable information for who-ever ports it to GitHub Actions :)
17:25:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 commented on pull request #7: Replace outdated Mercurial stuff, update README
17:33:23  <Wuzzy> Where are the OpenGFX/OpenMSX/OpenSFX strings translated?
17:33:44  <LordAro> they're not, currently
17:33:53  <LordAro> so... the repo?
17:33:59  <Wuzzy> ok
17:37:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #52: Change: German translation
17:38:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #8: Remove: .devzone directory
17:40:01  <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: just "removing" .devzone is not a good idea as we mentioned earlier already. It should be ported to GitHub Actions
17:40:14  <TrueBrain> lot of valuable information in that folder to do just that
17:40:19  <TrueBrain> something something not reinventing wheels :D
17:40:35  <Wuzzy> hrm
17:40:36  <LordAro> i'll hbe honest, there's not *a lot* of valuable information
17:40:38  <glx> yeah first convert, then close
17:40:56  <Wuzzy> it will always be in history tho. but whatever
17:41:40  <TrueBrain> LordAro: it saves someone from figuring out all those annoying ZIP=... ZIPFLAGS=...
17:41:41  <TrueBrain> shit
17:41:54  <TrueBrain> hmm, weird newline :D
17:42:12  <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: basically, just removing it is the easy way out :) Doing it proper always takes a bit more time, but gives a much better result :)
17:42:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #9: Change: German translation
17:42:31  <TrueBrain> LordAro: "make bundle_zip bundle_src ZIP="7za a" ZIP_FLAGS="-tzip -mx9"" <- I mean, would you have guessed that? :D
17:42:53  <Wuzzy> Do you have a checklist of what that GitHub actions needs to do?
17:42:58  <LordAro> probably not immediately
17:44:08  <Wuzzy> also, isn't it a bit problematic that you'll want to make the release workflow (partially) dependant on a proprietary SaaS essentially? 🙁
17:44:12  <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: <- this is what I did for OpenGFX :)
17:44:52  <TrueBrain> and how do you consider that a problem? Next step is: should you depend on Open Source someone else maintains? And before you know it, you are all doing it yourself :)
17:45:02  <TrueBrain> especially in Open Source, you have to spend your time wisely
17:45:10  <TrueBrain> it is the one commodity we have, and it is always in short supply
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17:45:28  <Wuzzy> what does that have to do with anything? *confused face*
17:45:55  <Wuzzy> i'm not sure if i understand the usecase of GitHub actions WRT OpenGFX/SFX/MSX
17:46:20  <LordAro> a) checking that they actually build b) generating (release) bundles automatically
17:46:21  <TrueBrain> a human typing in the right commands to make a release, uploading it to the right place, etc etc == baaaadddddddddddd
17:47:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish
17:47:16  <glx> if someone with at least 2004 wants to test :)
17:47:24  <TrueBrain> wow, glx is quick
17:47:26  <TrueBrain> sure
17:47:39  <glx> basically same as SDL
17:47:41  <TrueBrain> I will add TIC/TOCs to proof it even :)
17:47:44  <TrueBrain> SDL does this for you already
17:47:47  <TrueBrain> nothing to do with SDL :)
17:47:57  <glx> yeah I check SDL source :)
17:47:57  <Wuzzy> what will you do it MS will shutdown GitHub Actions?
17:48:19  <TrueBrain> what-if, what-if .. you can write books full of what-ifs
17:48:30  <LordAro> Wuzzy: the same thing we're doing now when devzone got "shutdown"
17:48:47  <Wuzzy> i dont know the history of devzone tho
17:48:48  <LordAro> the fact that the backend is proprietary is irrelevant
17:48:54  <LordAro> it's just a platform
17:48:59  <TrueBrain> or any of the other CFs we had? :P
17:49:03  <TrueBrain> I lost count :D
17:49:11  <LordAro> just a platform that we run a series of commands on
17:49:15  <glx> we used azure before GHA
17:49:20  <Wuzzy> i see
17:49:27  <glx> and custom CF before that
17:49:43  <Wuzzy> so if all else fails, releases *could* still be done manually if really needed?
17:49:46  <LordAro> if the program itself actually depends on GH Actions/AWS/whatever i can understand
17:49:50  <LordAro> exactly
17:49:59  <LordAro> we're just using their computers
17:50:08  <Wuzzy> ok so OpenX does not *really* depend then...
17:50:16  <LordAro> bingo :)
17:50:18  <glx> it's just a tool
17:50:29  <glx> a nice tool
17:50:34  <LordAro> the website and assorted other web infrastructure on the other hand...
17:50:36  <LordAro> but that's necessary
17:51:04  <TrueBrain> "depend" is even a strong word there LordAro  :)
17:51:11  <LordAro> true :)
17:51:14  <TrueBrain> it all runs on OCI containers
17:51:34  <glx> btw it's way easier to write stuff for GHA than AsurePipelines (at least all the trial and error phase)
17:51:40  <TrueBrain> "automate and abstract your work till you no longer have a job" .. they way everyone should approach IT :)
17:52:38  <Wuzzy> I feel like we (as in, "we the FOSS community") need our own GitHub eventually. Like GitHub, but owned by The People(TM) instead of corporations, and fully FOSS-ed, of course. how awesome would that be if we had something like that?
17:53:05  <Wuzzy> i mean, i get why GitHub exploded. the Network Effect is strong in that one, sadly 🙁
17:53:14  <TrueBrain> Wuzzy: I do not see how it is more or less awesome than GitHub?
17:53:21  <TrueBrain> just for the fact of having?
17:53:26  <Wuzzy> although i really really hate the bugtracking on GitHub
17:53:29  <glx> there's also GitLab I think
17:53:39  <TrueBrain> I for one am really happy a big corp is taking on this job ... pretty sure it would burn up in flames if it was truly run by "The People" :P
17:53:53  <glx> haha you never touched other bug tracker then
17:53:54  <LordAro> GitLab is marginally more open
17:54:18  <Wuzzy> what is the worst bugtracker?
17:54:26  <Wuzzy> I LOVE Bugzilla btw
17:54:42  <LordAro> Bugzilla is decidedly showing its age
17:54:46  <LordAro> and also it's a dead project
17:54:55  <Wuzzy> idc. it works and has everything i need
17:55:09  <LordAro> well good for you
17:55:11  <Wuzzy> what does "showing its age" even mean?
17:55:14  <Wuzzy> thats so vague
17:55:38  <glx> interface design mainly
17:56:17  <LordAro> it's a large blob of perl which last had a release (even bugfix) nearly 3 years ago
17:56:25  <Wuzzy> GitHub bugtracker sucks because you only have labels and thats it. no proper categories, no priorities, no severity, awful search, tiny amount of issues per-page
17:57:12  <LordAro> agree, agree, agree, search has been very good in my experience, i've never had an issue though mostly agree it could be customisable
17:57:13  <Wuzzy> there are only two states. open and closed. very cheap
17:57:32  <Wuzzy> you can't really "save" your search, right?
17:57:33  <glx> we used to have categories, user never choose the right one
17:57:49  <TrueBrain> all those fields we had for bugs ... most either not used or wrongly used :D
17:57:52  <TrueBrain> that were fun times ...
17:58:03  <TrueBrain> when importing to GitHub that was especially interesting :)
17:58:46  <Xaroth> People only have one choice for github issues and they still use it wrongly, I mean... would you really want to have categories?
17:58:47  <Wuzzy> well thats why you abstract this stuff away from the reporter as good as you can
17:59:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish
18:00:12  <Wuzzy> I feel like this argument about "old" interfaces is a very subject one. I never take arguments of this kind serious.
18:01:18  <Wuzzy> if you had a choice, which bugtracker would u use for OpenTTD now?
18:01:23  <Xaroth> Github
18:01:25  <TrueBrain> why am I just waiting for this to end up in an "emacs is awesome" debate? :D
18:01:55  <Wuzzy> what is so great about GitHub bugtracking?
18:02:12  <Wuzzy> (compared to others)
18:02:20  <LordAro> it's integrated into GitHub
18:02:24  <Xaroth> ^
18:02:32  <LordAro> as long as it's vaguely functional, i don't really care otherwise
18:02:38  <Xaroth> It's part of the development flow, and it's not a complete PITA for users to use
18:02:38  <LordAro> as long as it's not Jirea
18:02:42  <LordAro> -e
18:02:49  <Wuzzy> LOL
18:03:24  <TrueBrain> LordAro: well, good news, you will see a lot less Jira in corp-setups soon enough :)
18:03:39  <Wuzzy> in my experience, GitHub-style bugtracking becomes really painful if you have like >900 issues. really hard to keep an good overview 🙁
18:03:56  <Wuzzy> since OpenTTD has "only" 100, perhaps not a big deal so far 🙂
18:04:32  <Xaroth> It's all a matter of how you manage it
18:04:51  <Xaroth> the last Ansible sprint there were >2k issues and it was not a problem to go through them
18:05:53  <Wuzzy> how?
18:06:33  <Xaroth> a usable development flow and some collaboration?
18:07:16  <Wuzzy> but 20+ pages of issues lol. i dont understand how you can deal with that. i really dont understand
18:07:34  <LordAro> ansible use a *lot* of labels
18:07:41  <Xaroth> yep
18:07:45  <Xaroth> makes it easy to filter
18:07:47  <TrueBrain> you can sort and filter on labels .. so you have unlimited "fields"
18:07:53  <Wuzzy> my biggest issue is that there is no button for "sort bugs by priority/severity/importance"
18:07:58  <TrueBrain> you can have severity, priority, and all that crap, with labels
18:08:00  <Wuzzy> important bugs just dont rise to the top.
18:08:02  <Xaroth> make labels for priority/severity/importance
18:08:10  <Xaroth> and presto, you can filter on them :D
18:08:10  <Wuzzy> but you can't sort by that, cant ya?
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18:08:24  <Xaroth> Do you have to?
18:08:29  <Wuzzy> of course!
18:08:36  <Xaroth> if you want to know the most severe issues, you surely only want to see the most severe issues?
18:08:38  <Wuzzy> important issues should rise to the top
18:08:42  <Xaroth> who gives two hoots about the less severe ones
18:09:20  <Wuzzy> lets say u have 5 importance levels. so you need 5 labels. meaning you have to do 5 independent searches
18:09:42  <Wuzzy> you can't request something like "give me ALL issues, sorted by importance". it doesnt work
18:09:42  <Xaroth> As opposed to doing a sort and then scrolling through 50 pages? :P
18:10:06  <Wuzzy> well, the fact that GitHub only shows like 20 issues and that is hardcoded is another obvious UX fail
18:10:38  <LordAro> bugzilla doesn't have any pagination
18:10:52  <Wuzzy> ????
18:11:22  <LordAro> i'm pointing out to Xaroth why "scrolling through 50 pages" might not be a consideration for you
18:12:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #8660: Fix: [Win32] Set minimum resolution for timers to 1ms.
18:12:48  <Wuzzy> oh right. i never noticed the lack of pagniation in bugzilla. guess i never missed such a feature
18:12:56  <FLHerne> Yeah, bugzilla bug lists are one line of text
18:13:05  <Wuzzy> i like to have all issues on one view, rather than spread out on 1000s of pages
18:13:17  <FLHerne> I can scroll through hundreds of them
18:13:30  <FLHerne> OTOH, bugzilla's UX for submitters totally sucks
18:13:50  <FLHerne> Particularly if someone's overused the projects/categories lists
18:13:53  <Wuzzy> well that one is true
18:15:08  <Wuzzy> but in my experience, my bug reporters never had that big of a problem with bugzilla so far...
18:15:35  <Wuzzy> but usually they get severity wrong, but i dont blame them. i just re-assign the severity myself. easy.
18:15:40  <Wuzzy> (i dont have many bug reports lol)
18:15:48  <Xaroth> Were those technical reporters or regular joe/jane reporters?
18:17:16  <Wuzzy> both
18:17:21  <Wuzzy> but mostly the latter
18:17:45  <Wuzzy> i still think there is too much information they have to select
18:17:55  <Wuzzy> info they dont neccessarily even have
18:18:09  <Wuzzy> like "component"
18:19:00  <Wuzzy> I agree, from the reporter view, the interface must be dumbed down as much as reasonably possible.
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18:25:35  <Wuzzy> If the OpenSFX thing is finished, will there be a big announcement on the front page?
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18:28:19  <andythenorth> FML
18:28:49  <TrueBrain> what happened andythenorth ? :(
18:29:24  <andythenorth> I am hungry
18:29:28  <andythenorth> and nobody is making me food
18:29:37  <glx> haha OpenMSX Makefile is basically a copy paste of generic grf Makefile
18:29:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] frosch123 opened pull request #79: Change: migrate OpenTTD user Hyronymus to GitHub user JOtto-NL
18:30:47  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone?
18:31:39  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] fmodesto opened issue #8661: Orders not showing correctly in the UI
18:31:59  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] TrueBrain approved pull request #79: Change: migrate OpenTTD user Hyronymus to GitHub user JOtto-NL
18:32:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] TrueBrain merged pull request #79: Change: migrate OpenTTD user Hyronymus to GitHub user JOtto-NL
18:32:10  <TrueBrain> frosch123: they keep on coming :D
18:32:22  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you can pay people to make you dinner, you know that right? :D
18:34:02  <andythenorth> I had forgotten!
18:34:06  <andythenorth> I press a button and food arrives
18:34:11  <andythenorth> on a scooter
18:35:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge approved pull request #8660: Fix: [Win32] Set minimum resolution for timers to 1ms.
18:37:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge commented on issue #16: Delete .devzone?
18:42:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
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19:56:30  * andythenorth made own food
20:00:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver.
20:01:12  <supermop_Home> trying to work on portfolio and digging for files across a pile of various external hdds and thumb drives
20:01:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver.
20:02:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver.
20:02:23  <andythenorth> michi_cc I don't have time to test any further (very much much work)
20:02:25  <andythenorth> but
20:02:30  <andythenorth> I am hoping to not work next week
20:02:41  <andythenorth> or we could release a binary for other mac users maybe?
20:03:17  <glx> I think a build of the PR is doable
20:03:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver.
20:03:36  <glx> release framework is ready for it
20:05:59  <andythenorth> it would be useful I think
20:06:32  <orudge> I will give it a test when I get a chance (tomorrow I hope)
20:06:36  <andythenorth> I have pretty much the highest spec mac laptop, which has weird performance bottlenecks, other people may have very different experiences
20:14:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
20:22:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #8658: With win32 video driver, mouse movement is very sluggish
20:22:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #8660: Fix: [Win32] Set minimum resolution for timers to 1ms.
20:23:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened issue #18: Make sounds for "unused" empty sounds?
20:31:35  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] frosch123 commented on issue #18: Make sounds for "unused" empty sounds?
20:37:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #18: Make sounds for "unused" empty sounds?
20:40:41  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #8619: Unused sounds
20:46:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 updated pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
21:01:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 commented on issue #4: Clarifying legal status of rubidium42's sounds
21:01:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 closed issue #4: Clarifying legal status of rubidium42's sounds
21:05:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] Wuzzy2 opened pull request #19: Replace Mercurial code with Git code
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21:56:17  <andythenorth> bed!
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22:13:59  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened issue #8662: Company HQ cannot be bulldozed
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22:27:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on issue #8662: Company HQ cannot be bulldozed
22:28:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #8662: Company HQ cannot be bulldozed
22:29:05  <_dp_> you can flood it though
22:29:12  <TrueBrain> you evil bastard!
22:29:35  * _dp_ wonders how many citybuilder scripts crash with that 
22:30:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] planetmaker commented on pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
22:37:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #8661: Orders not showing correctly in the UI
22:40:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge approved pull request #13: Re-edit some sounds to relicense them
22:40:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge merged pull request #13: Re-edit some sounds to relicense them
22:40:41  <_dp_> hm... "refit" button is centered in orders, all others aren't :p
22:41:04  <_dp_> totally unreladed I guess
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22:41:36  <_dp_> ah, no, skip and delete are also centered xD
22:43:03  <_dp_> simple buttons are centered but dropdowns are not
22:43:33  <_dp_> and it gets even weirder when one change to the other
22:45:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] LordAro requested changes for pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
22:46:05  <orudge> LordAro: It is "macOS" these days
22:46:20  <LordAro> thought it might be, but couldn't be bothered to check :p
22:47:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge requested changes for pull request #14: Change readme, license, descriptions
22:49:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge approved pull request #17: Remove: .devzone directory
22:50:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenSFX] orudge merged pull request #17: Remove: .devzone directory
22:50:34  <LordAro> oh no
22:50:44  <LordAro> we weren't going to do that until the actions were done
22:51:03  <LordAro> ah well
22:51:36  <orudge> Ah, I missed that, sorry
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23:04:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] psh opened issue #8663: Publish a docker image
23:05:42  <orudge> Docker image, FlatPak, Snap, how many other versions of effectively the same thing can there possibly be :D
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23:24:30  <LordAro> urgh, docker images
23:24:50  <LordAro> how hard is "install dependencies, install openttd, install graphics pack"
23:25:05  <LordAro> pretty sure that is written down somewhere..
23:27:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #8663: Publish a docker image
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