Log for #openttd on 21st May 2021:
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00:26:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Milek7 commented on pull request #9017: Feature: play easier together with friends from behind home routers
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07:27:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #9285: Fixes for Haiku
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08:16:00  <peter1138> Yessir
08:16:22  <andythenorth> yo
09:20:24  <peter1138> Is it?
09:22:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LC-Zorg commented on issue #9281: Company Takeover Maths not correct.
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12:56:39  <andythenorth> is naptime?
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13:19:49  <TrueBrain> Yes
13:43:11  <peter1138> Ooops. I did actually :/
13:43:29  <andythenorth> I should
13:43:37  <andythenorth> I never do, except by accident
13:51:47  <TrueBrain> frosch123: here is a nice one .. we call vanilla "master" in BaNaNaS :) Not sure why we ended up picking that name in the end, as wasn't our idea here to allow other patchpacks etc?
13:53:50  <TrueBrain> enum is called OFFICIAL_OPENTTD :)
13:54:04  <TrueBrain> guess we should just rename it to "vanilla" :) Might make more sense :D
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13:54:23  <TrueBrain> (it is used on the compatibility part of uploads)
13:55:02  <TrueBrain> makes no sense to call it "master" (or "main" for that matter); it is a version range to start with :D Lolz .. not sure what our idea was there :P
13:56:38  <Rubidium> hmm s/master/vanilla/ instead of s/master/main/? ;)
13:56:51  <TrueBrain> no, it is a completely different context
13:56:51  <TrueBrain>
13:56:54  <TrueBrain> as example
13:57:08  <TrueBrain> it marks that the upload is compatible with "master" from version 1.6.0 and above
13:57:22  <TrueBrain> but "master" in this context is weird .. I believe our idea was to allow uploads for specific patchpacks
13:57:32  <TrueBrain> so you could say: JGRPP >= 0.40.0 too
13:58:07  <TrueBrain> (which isn't implemented btw)
13:58:53  <TrueBrain> I believe back when we were working on this we were struggling a bit how to call us vs patchpacks
13:59:22  <TrueBrain> personally I think "vanilla" is fine
14:01:38  <milek7> upstream?
14:01:41  <TrueBrain> <- funny, the lookup translated it into "Official OpenTTD"
14:02:57  <TrueBrain> no, "upstream" is a relative term. For a fork of JGRPP, JGRPP is upstream. So that will only add confusion
14:06:31  <Xaroth> vanilla works, you could also use "openttd" since you're indicating the versioning used by openttd itself
14:10:26  <TrueBrain> <- labbbeeeelllllssssss
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14:55:05  <peter1138> vanilla, official, standard, lessbuggy...
16:04:15  <supermop_Home_> hi
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16:17:16  <Artea> "so Thanks to everyone that modernize my childhood game(s)"
16:17:26  <Artea> I just said this on OpenRA discord
16:17:48  <Artea> since I was talking about C&C be apart of my childhood and how helped me with sequels of meningitis
16:17:51  <Artea> OpenTTD
16:17:54  <Artea> is no fucking exception
16:18:08  <Artea> TTD was my favorite game to pass all night awake
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16:18:32  <Artea> I used to pause TTD at midnight / 1 am just to go see Seinfeld on TV
16:18:57  <Artea> I miss OTTD
16:18:58  <Artea> :(
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16:25:36  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rel1c opened issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release
16:27:43  <LordAro> i was talking to ^ on reddit
16:28:35  <LordAro> seems like official fedora packages are debug builds?
16:34:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rel1c commented on issue #9031: Rivers going uphill are nearly impossible to distinguish from flat river
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16:40:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release
16:40:52  <glx> hehe was about to comment about it being a debug build
16:41:34  <milek7> why though debug changes hotkeys..?
16:41:43  <glx> because alt tab
16:41:45  <LordAro> hysterical rasins
16:42:00  <LordAro> alternative question - why is it hardcoded
16:47:11  <milek7> eh, why drivers are weird mix of classes and static vars
16:52:22  <Rubidium> they used to be C "classes"
17:06:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rel1c commented on issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release
17:07:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release
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17:29:32  <andythenorth> yo
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17:34:05  <peter1138> Yes
17:34:35  <peter1138> Pasta tonight.
17:34:42  <peter1138> Pasta and chunky bevels
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17:40:31  <andythenorth> pasta maybe
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17:46:14  <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, i picked the branch names in bananas: "jgrpp" and "master". but meh, "vanilla" is also fine
17:46:37  <peter1138> Hmm, music keyboard or computer keyboard.
17:46:42  <peter1138> Or, indeed, flight yoke.
17:46:59  <frosch123> i just wanted a nice slug, so i did not use "OpenTTD official" or "openttd_official" (latter is ugly :p )
17:51:08  <frosch123> hmm, i associate "vanilla" mostly with "no newgrf"
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18:57:12  <andythenorth> 'some'
18:57:16  <andythenorth> mostly strings though
18:57:29  <andythenorth> or if you get really unlucky and hit reload_newgrfs just as the file is rm-ed
19:01:07  <TrueBrain> frosch123: yeah, I agree, "vanilla" can be strange in this context. "official" ?
19:01:13  <TrueBrain> feels weird too
19:01:19  <TrueBrain> guess we are back to: there is no right word for this :D
19:02:07  <peter1138> trunk
19:02:12  <TrueBrain> owh, I like peter1138's suggestion of "standard
19:03:32  <andythenorth> default :P
19:03:44  <TrueBrain> not-jgrpp?
19:03:49  <frosch123> true ttd
19:03:51  <michi_cc> If you don't want to stop offending somebody, call it mainstream :P
19:03:52  <andythenorth> outdated
19:04:12  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: haha :D
19:05:56  <TrueBrain> well, I guess if the human readable text is "OpenTTD official", the key name could be "official" just as well
19:06:07  <TrueBrain> I like sync'd key/value pairs :)
19:06:58  <TrueBrain> takes two deployments anyway to make this change :P
19:16:27  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
19:16:28  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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20:55:22  <glx> <LordAro> alternative question - why is it hardcoded <-- it's deep inside video drivers, probably not easy to not hardcode
20:56:06  <TrueBrain> honestly, shouldn't be hard to make it configurable .. it is in a weird place now anyway :P
20:56:24  <TrueBrain> I guess a more truth answer is: because when it was written configurable keys wasn't a thing
20:56:46  <glx> it sets a variable in the driver, and this variable is used only there
20:58:10  <TrueBrain> the main issue is most likely that this is the only (?) key we have that is only doing something during key-down
20:58:13  <TrueBrain> and stops when going key-up
20:58:17  <TrueBrain> normally we react only on key-up
20:58:35  <glx> yeah it's active only when down
20:59:10  <TrueBrain> but otherwise, it is just setting a single boolean to true, so that can be done from any place :P
20:59:31  <TrueBrain> just one of those: nobody cared and so it is where it is doing what it does :D
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21:35:45  <frosch123> TrueBrain: there is also scrolling with cursor
21:35:52  <frosch123> people want to map it to wasd
21:36:13  <frosch123> but yes, we do not support remapping keys which must be held down
21:44:00  <glx> haha there's a hotkey (not set by default) for FFWD toggle
21:44:23  <glx> but it's hard to use when autosave is enabled
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23:47:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Ben79487 opened issue #9287: Autoreplace protection doesn't apply to sub-groups

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