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00:43:51 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 00:45:44 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 00:47:37 *** Wuzzy has quit IRC 01:13:32 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:55:02 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:11:36 *** glx has quit IRC 02:23:47 *** debdog has joined #openttd 02:27:09 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 06:12:43 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:24:47 *** EER has joined #openttd 06:30:45 *** keenriser has quit IRC 07:31:21 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 07:43:44 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:47:46 <LordAro> 09:44:59 < dpk> concept: alternative sound pack for OpenTTD where all the sound effects are replaced by someone pretending to make the noises 08:47:54 <LordAro> 09:45:25 < dpk> like the steam train noise is someone saying "chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff" and the bus noise is "brum, brum" 08:49:28 <andythenorth> nice idea 08:57:44 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 08:57:57 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 09:18:58 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 09:20:40 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 09:47:10 <orudge> Lego-movie style 09:47:12 <orudge> That's brilliant 09:52:17 *** Samu has joined #openttd 10:19:36 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 10:22:53 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 10:34:05 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 10:51:08 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 11:28:19 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 11:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> could be a nice match with toyland 12:45:40 <Samu> darn, the bresenhams line check is slow :( 13:32:08 <Samu> im running out of tricks to speed up pathfinder 13:36:10 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:59:44 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 13:59:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 14:04:13 <Samu> using valuator for the bresenham is cpu intensive, it's a bad idea 14:04:25 <Samu> i'm out of ideas 14:04:29 <Samu> the pathfinder is slow 14:06:25 *** tokai has quit IRC 14:16:44 <Samu> no idea what to do 14:17:50 <Samu> it seemed bresenham would speed up things at first sight 14:18:06 <Samu> but i was running at 250k ops very fast preset 14:18:45 <Samu> at the defaults 10k, medium, the check against the line itself slows down a lot 14:38:17 <Samu> it's funny 14:39:01 <Samu> it still quits earlier than the other method 14:39:09 *** glx has joined #openttd 14:39:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 14:39:31 <Samu> ended up being the first to build a ship, compared to the no-bresenham line limit 14:41:10 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 14:41:34 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 14:48:04 <Samu> 444 days to give up, vs 118 days to give up, bresenham's, albeit iterating slower, was faster to give up 14:48:42 <Samu> 444 days is seriously too long 14:54:13 <glx> pathfinding on water is the worst 14:54:28 <glx> too many open tiles 14:57:57 <Samu> there's then ShipAI which is extremely fast by comparison 14:58:07 <Samu> makes me sad 15:00:38 <Samu> i get sad that all i can do is mail ships, because the ship is slower, meaning the routes are shorter 15:01:03 <Samu> hovercrafts try to get routes of about 250-300 distance and it's so slow 15:01:08 <Samu> or mostly fail 15:01:15 <Samu> no path found or whatever... 15:03:00 <Samu> running the game in fast forward really gives a different perspective, like it seems everything is perfect, oh i can get 5k ships, etc.. 15:03:40 <Samu> but in reality, at normal speeds, it's a different story 15:04:53 <glx> based on filenames, I think ShipAI uses 3 different pathfinders 15:09:54 <Samu> 2nd route build for bresenhams 15:10:04 <Samu> 2-0 15:10:41 <Samu> https://i.imgur.com/13athZh.png 15:11:19 <Samu> the one on the right is bresenham's 15:11:39 <Samu> the one on the left, has no limitations, other than the number of iterations 15:12:51 <Samu> distance is actually 200 and 243, that's not even 300+ as I thought 15:13:30 <glx> I don't know if it's done, but for full water I think a possible option would be to include distance to coast in cost calculation 15:14:49 <glx> but determining distance to coast is not free 15:57:10 <Samu> 2-1 16:09:18 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:27:15 <Samu> 4-1 16:28:02 <Samu> very disappointing :( 16:28:21 <Samu> how would distance to coast help me in this case? 16:34:05 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:37:51 <peter1138> It would stop your triremes being lost at sea. 16:43:06 <LordAro> :D 16:51:06 <milek7> https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-317 16:51:14 <milek7> possibly related 16:53:33 *** tokai has joined #openttd 16:53:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 16:59:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:00:30 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 17:00:36 <_dp_> having many open tiles is good in theory since you don't even need to pathfind 17:00:45 <_dp_> pf just have to make actual use of that 17:49:27 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:50:29 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 17:50:40 *** Flygon has quit IRC 17:55:16 <Samu> https://github.com/SamuXarick/Canal-Pathfinder/blob/Graph.AyStar-6-compatible/library/Pathfinder.Canal/main.nut#L48-L58 17:55:27 <Samu> gonna try different values here, any suggestions 17:55:39 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 18:19:06 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 18:22:25 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 18:51:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/J4XdR 18:51:46 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 19:02:41 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:05:54 <TrueBrain> I totally took a joke too far 19:05:55 <TrueBrain> I really did 19:06:08 <TrueBrain> it is not even funny anymore 19:06:11 <TrueBrain> but I am laughing my ass off 19:06:34 <TrueBrain> sometimes I really have an insane idea in my head .. and to my surprise I can make it a reality 19:06:40 <TrueBrain> not sure what to think of it :P 19:07:21 <TrueBrain> I now really have to understand NewGRF specs a bit more to make it be more apparent that it really works ... 19:08:32 <TrueBrain> awh, publishing to GitHub Pages failed .. 19:08:35 <TrueBrain> boooooo 19:09:47 <TrueBrain> https://truebrain.github.io/TrueGRF/ <- in the game, click NewGRF Settings 19:09:51 <TrueBrain> while open, click the big green button 19:10:58 <TrueBrain> I blame andythenorth 19:13:27 <TrueBrain> This is Rust + WASM + React + Emscripten, all put to work in a single place :) 19:13:49 <Timberwolf> Heh. 19:14:13 <TrueBrain> is that all you have to say about it? :P 19:14:25 <andythenorth> it's the best comment :D 19:14:31 <Timberwolf> I quite like the tech stack for the web application! 19:14:51 <TrueBrain> I am really amazed it actually works :D 19:14:54 <Timberwolf> Maybe I should start writing all our front end stuff in Rust, make finding a front end dev as hard as a back end one. 19:15:13 <TrueBrain> well, the frontend is pure React (and bootstrap) 19:15:19 <TrueBrain> Rust is just converting the inputs to a valid GRF 19:15:42 <TrueBrain> (which via React is given to Emscripten to OpenTTD, to write the file and allow loading it ..) 19:17:15 <TrueBrain> I think this is about as far as I can drag insanity :P 19:17:33 <andythenorth> 'to insanity and beyond!' 19:18:02 <TrueBrain> now to extend it to be useful? :D 19:18:30 <TrueBrain> not a single clue if I am actually fixing a problem by such tool :P 19:19:29 *** gelignite has quit IRC 19:22:57 <andythenorth> yes you are! 19:23:03 <andythenorth> the problem of stopping TrueBrain getting bored :D 19:44:23 <glx> keyboard doesn't work 19:46:24 <glx> ok so disabling coal mine also removes power station 20:15:38 <TrueBrain> glx: yup 20:15:43 <TrueBrain> fun gimmick on my part :P 20:18:41 <andythenorth> does it analyse cargo chains? :P 21:16:01 *** Samu has quit IRC 21:28:46 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:31:33 <andythenorth> OH IT'S BEDTIME 21:31:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:43:47 <Timberwolf> I should play into the maglev era more often. The station design gets really interesting. 21:46:15 <FLHerne> Yeah, but the trains get really boring 21:46:38 <FLHerne> "this train has infinity speed +1, and can ignore hills just like the last one" 21:49:42 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:52:58 <Timberwolf> What I didn't appreciate is while hills become a "meh, who cares", things like failed merges and enforced slowdowns absolutely kill a maglev line, causing standing waves that it's difficult to recover from unless your design lets them propagate all the way back to a station or other train release. 21:53:17 <Timberwolf> Probably less of an issue with short train lengths. 21:54:39 <Timberwolf> With longer trains the acceleration 250mph->400mph requires a significant amount of track. 22:31:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:46:04 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:59:01 *** ChanServ changes topic to "1.11.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 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