Log for #openttd on 5th November 2021:
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00:07:17  <dP> does steam have any stats for game crashes?
00:45:27  <milek7> no
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10:31:19  <LordAro> TrueBrain: hmm
10:32:53  <TrueBrain> Yup. You are late to the party :p
10:33:10  <TrueBrain> Useful for local development :)
10:33:27  <LordAro> :p
10:33:35  <LordAro> is it codespaces but without the github bit?
10:33:41  <LordAro> or have i misunderstood what codespaces are?
10:42:42  <TrueBrain> Codespaces are a VM in the cloud linked to devcontainers
10:42:58  <TrueBrain> Where devcontainers is a predefined docker you work in
10:43:15  <TrueBrain> So no need to setup anything, if done correctly
10:43:29  <TrueBrain> It is all an extension on each other basically
10:45:49  <TrueBrain> I really should work on my explanation :p
10:46:03  <LordAro> good enough :)
10:46:21  <TrueBrain> The website PR for example needs 0 setup to build the website. I should make a movie out of it, as words fail to describe it :p
11:37:07  <peter1138> When all yours are really just a webpage, running it in a browser isn't so much effort...
11:37:11  <peter1138> ..
11:37:17  <peter1138> When all your apps are...
11:40:01  <LordAro> "You are using pip version 7.1.0, however version 21.3.1 is available."
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12:05:24  <peter1138> Hmm, I ought to go out on the bike this weekend.
12:05:43  <peter1138> (I was ill for a couple of weekends last month, and then the weather was terrible...)
12:06:32  <LordAro> yes, you should
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12:15:35  <peter1138> Last time I was out I was in bib-shorts in short sleeve jersey. I guess I'll need more now.
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12:33:30  <andythenorth> lol I've broken Clang
12:33:31  <andythenorth> GG
12:33:44  <andythenorth>   The C compiler
12:33:45  <andythenorth>     "/Applications/"
12:33:45  <andythenorth>   is not able to compile a simple test program.
12:33:50  <andythenorth> WP me
12:37:55  <LordAro> well done
12:39:04  <peter1138> More like Apple have broken it, am I right?
12:39:13  <andythenorth> well
12:39:29  <andythenorth> I copied everything over from an intel mac, and that worked
12:39:42  <andythenorth> 'worked' until some libs started complaining about wrong arch
12:40:01  <andythenorth> so I am now reinstalling a new version of the ports tree which supports the arm arch
12:40:04  <andythenorth> but clang broke :)
12:40:09  <andythenorth> yeah, I blame Apple
12:40:25  <peter1138> There's your problem, you can't expect a Mac to be compatible with a Mac...
12:41:38  <andythenorth> is problem
12:42:10  <andythenorth> see also: switching arch before the libs are ready
12:44:21  <peter1138> New arch for andythenorth
12:44:30  <andythenorth> nice arch
12:44:37  <andythenorth> lacks a deck
12:44:55  <peter1138> What do you expect if you only replace the arch?
12:45:04  <andythenorth> visual metaphors
12:45:43  <andythenorth> the internet suggests that there are some pray-and-spray environment vars that can be set
12:45:55  <andythenorth> "this definitely won't go wrong in a few years time"
12:46:10  <peter1138> That's also what happens after a curry.
12:46:28  <andythenorth> mmm
12:46:35  <andythenorth> curry for tea maybe
12:46:39  <peter1138> LordAro, it's winter-bike time now?
12:46:44  * andythenorth wonders about lunch
12:46:51  * peter1138 wonders about second lunch
12:47:35  <peter1138> Hmm, maybe I should get a drybag for my new phone, or just not take it with me.
12:48:37  <andythenorth> orudge you have openttd compiling on m1? :)
12:48:51  <peter1138> Should probably just have a cheap phone with PAYG SIM for taking on rides...
12:49:14  <LordAro> peter1138: i fitted proper mudguards on my old bike last weekend
12:49:36  <peter1138> I've still got flappy guards on the road bike, and of course proper on the touring bike.
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13:59:35  <orudge> andythenorth: I think I was one of the first people to have OpenTTD compiling on M1 :)
14:00:14  <orudge> andythenorth[m]: personally I prefer to use vcpkg for OpenTTD's dependencies
14:00:29  <orudge> but MacPorts should work too (at least if you want an arm64-only binary)
14:02:29  <glx> I think the main issue is "<andythenorth>    I copied everything over from an intel mac, and that worked"
14:02:48  <glx> never a good idea to copy over stuff
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16:00:14  * andythenorth does certain evil things
16:00:23  <andythenorth> two copies of the ports tree is probably fine?
16:00:29  <andythenorth> one for x86, one for arm
16:00:48  <glx> easier to manage multi arch with vcpkg
16:01:24  <andythenorth> seems I can install that from brew
16:02:06  <andythenorth> hmm
16:02:49  * andythenorth now trying to compile grfcodec
16:02:53  <andythenorth> "'boost/bimap.hpp' file not found"
16:03:08  <andythenorth> this is like playing whackamole with deps
16:03:13  <glx> you need boost yes
16:03:41  <glx> you can check the workflow for the package list
16:03:49  <glx> (though it's done with vcpkg)
16:06:30  <andythenorth> I thought we had mac binaries for grfcodec, seems not :)
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16:08:44  * andythenorth might just intel grfcodec from a backup :P
16:09:02  <andythenorth> I deleted it earlier in the attempt to build an arm native version
16:11:03  <glx> well if you follow workflow steps it should build (look at openttd release workflow for arm details)
16:11:15  <andythenorth> I will try that later :)
16:13:41  <glx> of course workflow assumes libpng is already installed (because it's in the image)
16:14:06  <glx> but for windows it's also done via vcpkg
16:16:13  <glx> ok stupid vcpkg, I wanted to do an upgrade, it removed everything then failed to build new versions because too old vcpkg exe
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16:18:24  * andythenorth timing intel vs. arm again
16:18:56  <andythenorth> intel Horse compile is slower than I remember
16:19:52  <andythenorth> graphics generation takes half the time on arm
16:19:56  <andythenorth> 5s vs 10s
16:22:04  <andythenorth> x86 grfcodec is faster on arm (emulated) than windows
16:22:10  <andythenorth> windows / intel :P
16:22:11  <andythenorth> lol
16:22:59  <andythenorth> nmlc timings (with verbose printing) are almost identical arm <-> x86
16:23:11  <andythenorth> python 3.10 on arm vs. pypy3 on intel
16:23:45  <andythenorth> hmm no pypy3 on both, but pypy3 is x86 emulated on arm
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16:36:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] sanotti opened issue #263: [th_TH] Translator access request
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17:00:19  <andythenorth> so full Horse compile is < 30s
17:00:31  <andythenorth> this means I can think about including more complete rosters
17:00:47  * andythenorth has been worried about compile times of 2 or 3 minutes
17:08:43  <andythenorth> hmm ok so switching to intel cmake doesn't fix clang :D
17:08:44  <andythenorth> lol
17:08:47  <andythenorth> why would it? :)
17:09:05  <andythenorth> this will be Apple moving headers around or something
17:12:04  * LordAro looks at his build times of upwards of an hour
17:14:05  * andythenorth crosses fingers for a build of openttd working
17:14:26  <andythenorth> I tried the crude solution of rm-ing the build dir
17:14:35  <andythenorth> "now clang isn't broken"
17:14:36  <andythenorth> :P
17:16:00  <andythenorth> 50 seconds
17:16:14  <andythenorth> that's 35 seconds faster than previously on arm
17:16:26  <andythenorth> I replaced the x86 ports tree with arm
17:16:47  <andythenorth>  compile with intel libs on arm was 1m 25s
17:16:55  <andythenorth> compile on intel was about 2m 30s or something
17:17:20  <andythenorth> that's less disappointing :)
17:17:32  * andythenorth BIAB
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19:57:30  * andythenorth needs a vcpkg primer :P
19:57:34  <andythenorth> I guess google has one
20:00:51  <andythenorth> oh
20:00:59  <andythenorth> fresh clone of grfcodec just builds for me
20:01:13  <andythenorth> I was trying to build the legacy mercurial checkout, waste of time :)
20:03:33  <glx> lol
20:03:33  <andythenorth> cmake .
20:03:33  <andythenorth> make
20:03:33  <andythenorth> done
20:03:33  <glx> I made it full cmake yes
20:03:33  <andythenorth> thanks
20:03:33  <andythenorth> oh that's interesting, the version I've built is insanely slow :)
20:03:33  <glx> well peter started the move to cmake
20:03:33  <glx> debug build probably
20:03:33  <glx> you know the trick
20:04:10  <andythenorth> I do? :O
20:04:16  <glx> same as openttd
20:04:58  <andythenorth> DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
20:04:59  <andythenorth> ?
20:05:11  <glx> yup
20:06:23  <andythenorth> yeah that's fixed
20:06:31  <glx> it's the same for any cmake project
20:06:35  * andythenorth tries switching the arch to arm
20:08:53  <glx> <-- something like that I guess
20:09:29  <andythenorth> o_O
20:09:32  <glx> ignore toolchain and vcpkg stuff
20:09:33  <andythenorth> :)
20:10:40  <glx> but I would hope it defaults to arm on M1 machine
20:11:07  <andythenorth> `ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture arm64`
20:11:24  <andythenorth> might be libpng problems
20:11:38  <frosch123> does grfcodec work on arm?
20:11:51  <frosch123> or do you run it in the emulator?
20:11:56  <andythenorth> I can't tell
20:12:00  <andythenorth> but it runs
20:12:11  <andythenorth> I _think_ the build I have is x86
20:12:15  <frosch123> grfcodec is filled with so much assembly-undefined-behavior, that i would not be surprised if it fails on non-intel machines
20:12:15  <andythenorth> the arm build seems to fail
20:12:32  <andythenorth> it appears to be trying to link to my x86 libpng
20:12:49  <glx> that's why it's easier to use vcpkg
20:12:59  <glx> the triplets handle all that stuff
20:13:39  <andythenorth> hmm
20:13:56  <andythenorth> -DVCPKG_TARGET_TRIPLET=arm64-osx
20:14:02  <andythenorth> CMake Warning:
20:14:02  <andythenorth>   Manually-specified variables were not used by the project:
20:14:02  <andythenorth>     VCPKG_TARGET_TRIPLET
20:14:17  <glx> needs the toolset too
20:17:03  <andythenorth> hmm
20:17:07  * andythenorth out of depth :)
20:17:22  <andythenorth> frosch123 slightly related, openttd compile on m1 is 50s now
20:17:33  <glx>
20:17:37  <andythenorth> using arm deps, not x86, saves 35s :P
20:18:01  <Rubidium> frosch123: grfcodec builds for Debian on their esoteric platforms, so I guess compiling for Apple's arm platform should work
20:19:18  <frosch123> ok, i misworded. i did not doubt it would "compile", i was wondering whether it would generate valid grfs
20:19:19  <Rubidium> and similarly openttd's build on Debian uses grfcodec for the extra GRF, so it at least does not horribly crash with it
20:20:00  <frosch123> i only ran a dedicated server in arm
20:22:08  <Rubidium> too bad the grf is in openttd-data, so the final validity of it can't be checked ;(
20:27:13  <andythenorth> grfcodec builds in place?  no dedicated build dir?
20:27:30  * andythenorth trying to adapt to context `cmake -B [build directory] -S . -DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE=[path to vcpkg]/scripts/buildsystems/vcpkg.cmake`
20:27:43  <andythenorth> and `cmake --build [build directory]`
20:27:45  <glx> it's the same as any cmake project
20:28:01  <glx> mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..
20:28:07  <LordAro> more that it doesn't stop you from building inplace, unlike OTTD
20:28:26  <andythenorth> yeah that tripped me up :)
20:28:49  * LordAro prefers cmake -B build to mkdir,cd...
20:29:28  <glx> and when trying multiple arch it's nice to used different build dirs
20:29:36  <LordAro> or release/debug
20:35:16  <andythenorth> ok I'm doing wrong things now :P
20:36:09  <michi_cc> Nobody in here would've ever expected that :P
20:37:32  <andythenorth> too many shells open titled 'build'
20:39:33  <andythenorth> `cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ..` is valid?
20:39:44  <andythenorth> it's putting the build files in ..
20:40:28  <glx> it should put them in build
20:40:54  <glx> oh but it detects the files you created in .. on first try
20:41:09  <andythenorth> ok I rm those
20:42:47  <andythenorth> worked
20:47:46  <andythenorth> can't tell if grfcodec is now running in x86
20:47:51  <andythenorth> or arm
20:47:59  <andythenorth> but it's 3.3s to compile horse, not 4.5s
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23:27:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #9673: Fix #9579: Object and HQ construction is Construction cost, not Property Ma…
23:31:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #9673: Fix #9579: Object and HQ construction is Construction cost, not Property Ma…
23:35:59  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #263: [th_TH] Translator access request
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23:40:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9673: Fix #9579: Object and HQ construction is Construction cost, not Property Ma…
23:48:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #9673: Fix #9579: Object and HQ construction is Construction cost, not Property Ma…
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