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00:27:36 *** esselfe has joined #openttd 01:07:34 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 01:08:54 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 02:19:43 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 02:20:18 *** Wuzzy has quit IRC 02:29:43 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:52:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 03:10:47 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:14:10 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:37:16 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:06:36 *** felix has quit IRC 04:08:47 *** felix has joined #openttd 04:59:51 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 06:04:18 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:11:47 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 06:14:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] same-f commented on discussion #9687: Suggestion: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» btn https://git.io/JXig1 06:28:26 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 06:49:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rau117 commented on discussion #9687: Suggestion: Change behaviour of the «expand signal menu» btn https://git.io/JXig1 08:33:26 <LordAro> classic strawman 08:35:25 <Xaroth> Quite 10:07:20 *** felix has quit IRC 10:08:15 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 10:19:03 *** felix has joined #openttd 10:27:59 *** Smedles_ has quit IRC 10:28:12 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 11:23:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 12:23:41 *** Strom has quit IRC 12:25:21 *** Strom has joined #openttd 13:04:19 <Eddi|zuHause> are we having a "we need more settings" and "we need fewer settings" discussion again? 13:08:20 <LordAro> yes. 13:08:29 <Timberwolf> I think somewhere 2 or 3 whys down we're at the old favourite of, "people seem weirdly invested into types of signals for some reason" 13:09:04 <LordAro> s/people/the russians/ 13:20:23 <dP> that's an awkward s// :p 13:20:50 <Xaroth> I think it's mostly a thing about not understanding why the change was made 13:29:12 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 13:29:25 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 13:36:30 <dP> for what I can tell it's a wild mix of coop elitism, disagreement with the development decisions and inability to affect them and lots of misunderstanding 14:12:49 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:22:37 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 14:22:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 14:29:26 *** tokai has quit IRC 15:20:21 <TrueBrain> I joined in down voting! :D and this is why you cannot have constructive conversations on the Internet .. lol 15:21:21 <TrueBrain> "Here is a valid argument" - "no." 15:29:33 <dP> To be fair, it's very unclear how the decisions on what setting to remove and what to leave are made. 15:30:00 <dP> Like, you're bringing up that argument in a discusion of a setting that has some demand but nearly zero complexity and doesn't even have to be visible. 15:30:39 <dP> There are so many settings that could be better candidates for removal 15:39:18 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:54:24 *** esselfe has quit IRC 16:02:47 <TrueBrain> That would be a counter argument.. that is not what happened in that thread ;) 16:08:29 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:11:45 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 16:16:56 *** jottyfan has quit IRC 16:19:55 <dP> well, it takes a certain uderstanding of openttd development to not read that answer as "we want to remove all settings" 16:20:39 <dP> not that I want to defend these assholes but I can somewhat relate as I kinda felt the same when I just started patching openttd 16:20:47 <dP> and maybe even still do sometimes 16:30:19 *** jottyfan has joined #openttd 17:01:59 *** Etua has joined #openttd 17:15:40 *** urdh has quit IRC 17:25:02 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:25:05 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 17:26:29 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 17:57:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:00:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Kuhnovic updated pull request #9642: Feature: Orientation of rail, road and ship depots can be changed https://git.io/JitGY 18:03:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Kuhnovic commented on pull request #9642: Feature: Orientation of rail, road and ship depots can be changed https://git.io/JXNek 18:10:20 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:12:07 <Wolf01> andythenorth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkpZggx4yNI 18:32:23 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:46:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JXNIM 18:46:19 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:47:00 *** urdh has joined #openttd 18:53:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9642: Feature: Orientation of rail and road depots can be changed https://git.io/JXNtv 19:04:28 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 19:06:50 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 19:15:02 <TrueBrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/273533192601075712/908796944560816180/unknown.png <- how quickly people upgrade from 12.0 (red) to 12.1 (blue) 19:17:50 <dP> TrueBrain, is that server listing? 19:17:58 <dP> doesn't quite match the number of servers... 19:18:29 <TrueBrain> if only one could read headers .... :P 19:18:59 <Xaroth> it's the amount of hippos spotted by each version of OpenTTD. 19:19:37 <dP> TrueBrain, I did read the header, it still doesn't add up :p 19:20:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] MarkoTsovko opened issue #9691: [Crash]: Random crash one of four servers , 1.12+. https://git.io/JXNOB 19:21:30 <TrueBrain> well that makes for an interesting crash .. neither IPv4 nor IPv6 .. 19:22:02 <TrueBrain> sadly no crash dump .. 19:22:50 <dP> 1.12 is an interesting way to write 12.1 xD 19:25:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9691: [Crash]: Random crash one of four servers , 1.12+. https://git.io/JXNOB 19:27:08 <TrueBrain> ban-list related by the looks 19:27:53 <frosch123> heh, just wanted to write that :p 19:28:00 <TrueBrain> TOO SLOW 19:28:11 <TrueBrain> it seems that the IP given by TURN cannot be resolved 19:28:13 <TrueBrain> which is .. unexpected? 19:28:17 <TrueBrain> owh, hmm 19:28:23 <TrueBrain> IPv4 only stack, and someone connecting via IPv6? 19:28:31 <TrueBrain> I can imagine that Resolve() fails in that case 19:29:17 <TrueBrain> would explain why this hasn't been seen before, as a IPv4-only stack is .. rare 19:30:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] MarkoTsovko commented on issue #9691: [Crash]: Random crash one of four servers , 1.12+. https://git.io/JXNOB 19:32:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9691: [Crash]: Random crash one of four servers , 1.12+. https://git.io/JXNOB 19:33:03 <TrueBrain> would be highly unusual, and really hard to properly fix :P 19:33:19 <TrueBrain> we can do a poor-mans solution to detect IPv4 from IPv6, I guess :) 19:35:09 <frosch123> i don't understand this :) why does the client try to resolve an address received via turn? wouldn't successful resolve imply that turn is not needed? 19:35:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] MarkoTsovko commented on issue #9691: [Crash]: Random crash one of four servers , 1.12+. https://git.io/JXNOB 19:36:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9691: [Crash]: Random crash