Log for #openttd on 14th February 2022:
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02:22:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #9545: [Bug]: CTD when all cargos are disabled by NewGRF, and cargo payment graph opened
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04:07:42  <twb> OK so I give OpenTTD to prison inmates.  They were on 1.6 and now they're getting 1.10.
04:08:47  <twb> Because bananas ( is blocked, I just downloaded a bunch of extra content in advance, and put that in their OS image.
04:09:06  <twb> And today, I'm updating that to work with 1.10 instead of 1.6.  Yay.
04:16:06  <twb> Here's the actual code I'm starting from:
04:16:27  <twb> It's pretty much just "wget -i urls" and some tar/chmod/chown
04:19:38  <twb> Oh jeez, looks like has become
04:20:35  <twb> So I'll have to either do C-level magic to get the bananas protocol working in a stand-alone downloader, or I'll have to hard-code a hash and a ctime
04:21:31  <twb> There's no "Content-Type: ...; filename=Doom_I_Soundtrack-1.2.tar.gz" header, either, so I'll have to roll that magic as well :-(
04:23:13  <twb> Let me just tcpdump first and see if openttd is still using an ad-hoc protocol instead of standard HTTPS
04:31:55  <twb> Looks like it's moved to :3978 instead of :3980, but yeah it's still using the multiplayer netcode for listing and downloading content
04:39:02  <twb> Hrm, SOME of it is http.  curl --request POST --data-binary $'10884238\n'
04:42:07  <twb> Maybe I should just package for Debian
04:52:55  <twb> OK, I'm pretty sure I vanished down this rabbit hole last time I looked at this, and ended up throwing it all away and using wget
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05:27:00  <FLHerne> twb: TrueBrain redid all this BaNaNaS stuff fairly recently, but it'll be 5am or so for him just now
05:27:13  <twb> No worries
05:27:31  <twb> I'll be here for a week unless my IPv6 wigs out
05:43:21  <FLHerne> I thought there was some tool that would give the OTTD-calculated md5sum, but if there is I can't remember how
05:44:32  <twb> There's a couple of python libraries but they look pretty annoying for my minimal use case
05:44:49  <twb> Like, I don't really want to set up a VM that is contained enough it can be trusted to run random docker crap
05:45:16  <twb> And e.g.  has exact requirements instead of ranges
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06:48:25  <FLHerne> You shouldn't need a docker image, just a virtualenv
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06:49:42  *** andythenor2022-02-14T11:01:34  <peter1138> No, it's the awful 32bpp extra-zoom baseset.
11:02:59  <LordAro> there have been a couple of 3d OTTD attempts over the years
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12:40:44  <peter1138> Okay, I was hungry and had salad for lunch already.
12:41:01  <peter1138> But should I finish it off with a bit of cake?
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13:51:09  <Eddi|zuHause> @LordAro those people should just play transport fever...
13:51:25  <LordAro> hehe
14:07:01  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #9545: [Bug]: CTD when all cargos are disabled by NewGRF, and cargo payment graph opened
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18:49:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on issue #9545: [Bug]: CTD when all cargos are disabled by NewGRF, and cargo payment graph opened
18:56:53  <frosch123> it should display a message "you transport everything there is, consider yourself to have won"
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19:21:23  <nielsm> uh... struct ShipTickPlan : public VehicleTickPlan { /* stuff */ }; and then later static_cast<ShipTickPlan *>(vehtickplanptr)
19:21:39  <nielsm> shouldn't that be fine as an upcast of a pointer type to a base class?
19:21:54  <nielsm> the compiler says they are unrelated
19:22:14  <nielsm> ah, right
19:22:26  <nielsm> the type is only forward declared at that point
19:23:41  <nielsm> yeah, works if I change the order of declarations
19:29:04  <nielsm> well, it compiles and runs now, just ships don't really do anything
19:34:00  <nielsm> pushed to my branch if anyone wants to look
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20:00:13  <supermop_work> yo
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20:39:32  <nielsm>
20:39:38  <nielsm> it moves... kinda
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21:39:45  <LordAro> close enough
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22:26:57  <andythenorth> lol
22:26:59  <andythenorth> data processing
22:27:07  <andythenorth> top down vs bottom up
22:27:48  * andythenorth flashbacks to the only comp sci course I did, taught to civil engineers 
22:27:59  <andythenorth> I skipped the lecture on bottom up vs top down
22:28:15  <andythenorth> turned out the lecturer was quite an evangelist for one of them being The Only Way
22:28:19  <andythenorth> can't remember which
22:29:00  <andythenorth> but I have just done one approach to wrangle some spreadsheet data in python, and now I have learnt why I should use the other approach
22:29:21  <andythenorth> but if I had done the other approach, I would just now be learning why I should have used this approach
22:29:38  <andythenorth> because top down vs. bottom it's false way to design anything
22:29:43  * andythenorth back to json and ARR
22:30:00  <andythenorth> vs. bottom up *
22:31:20  <andythenorth> "It is inherent that no coding can begin until a sufficient level of detail has been reached in the design of at least some part of the system"
22:31:29  <andythenorth> how the fuck do you design anything at all without writing code
22:31:31  <andythenorth> so silly
22:34:02  <andythenorth> also bedtime :D
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22:50:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 55TeMeR55 commented on issue #9742: [Bug]: "Your PC is too slow to keep up with this server"
22:52:52  <_dp_> andythenorth[m], "Categorically don't be interested in formulation of the problem until obtaining an object module of the program. Remember that programming is an art - so any extra knowledge only restricts your imagination."

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