Log for #openttd on 7th August 2022:
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07:24:09  <Wolf01> supermop_work_: btw, the first thing you need to take care in Milan is to keep your wallet/phone/watch safe, specially in the metro, then you can think about what to wear for the restaurant ;)
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08:58:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9961: Fix 6fe445e: Removing rail station parts without ctrl pressed was also removing tracks
08:58:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9961: Fix 6fe445e: Removing rail station parts without ctrl pressed was also removing tracks
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09:44:28  <frosch123> i ordered something at 0:30, they claim they put it into the mail at 2:30. i doubt that :p
09:44:43  <TrueBrain> why do you doubt that?
09:45:21  <frosch123> only refridgerated trucks are allowed to drive at that time
09:45:39  <TrueBrain> lol, really?
09:45:53  <TrueBrain> trucks in your country do not drive during the night?
09:46:10  <frosch123> no, they do not drive on sundays
09:46:24  <TrueBrain> lol, funny :)
09:47:07  <frosch123> sunday is a legally free day. you need a special reason to make employees work on that day
09:48:05  <frosch123> who knows, maybe that changes when gas stations stop existing, and that loophole vanishes
09:48:24  <TrueBrain> so you can't even order food on a sunday?
09:48:46  <frosch123> restaurants and stuff are on the exception list
09:48:51  <TrueBrain> ah
09:49:05  <TrueBrain> when governments and believe-systems collide :)
09:50:15  <frosch123> but for transport stuff, only perishables and weird things like trade-fair-installations are excepted
09:53:12  <TrueBrain> so maybe what-ever you ordered is shipped from a country that isn't that weird about religion in laws :P
09:57:19  <frosch123> so you think some dutch guy would ship some furniture for me at 2:30 on a sunday?
09:57:26  <TrueBrain> fuck yes
09:57:58  <TrueBrain> I had weirder things delivered to me on a sunday, what I ordered the day before
09:58:00  <michi_cc> "put into the mail" is often meant just like when the delivery tracking sites says "the shipment was electronically registered", i.e. some automated computer system just reserved a shipment number for whenever they get around to actually package it.
09:58:13  <TrueBrain> more the question ... why on EARTH did you buy furniture on 0030? :P
09:58:44  <frosch123> because that's when i finished by research
09:58:50  <TrueBrain> haha
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10:00:26  <frosch123> i think i started with the research when my moo2 game crashed
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12:23:57  <TrueBrain> mooooooooo
12:24:09  <TrueBrain> sorry, nobody did that yet, and it had to be done
12:33:03  <frosch123> it may come as a surprise, but cows are my favorite animal :p
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12:52:23  <frosch123> basically, i am fine if you change your name to truecow
12:55:19  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I considered it
12:55:21  <TrueBrain> no
12:55:21  <TrueBrain> :P
12:55:35  <TrueBrain> but now to find a new piece of software to write to name it like that
12:55:37  <TrueBrain> tempting ...
12:56:03  <frosch123> "cow" is already used for copy-on-write
12:57:01  <frosch123> if you add some read/write magic to shared_ptr, you can name it cow_ptr
12:57:36  <TrueBrain> ha
13:06:33  <frosch123> maybe i should go on discord, so i can post cow picture
13:06:42  <TrueBrain> YES
13:06:43  <TrueBrain> DO IT!
13:47:49  <TrueBrain> frosch123: there are also interesting NewGRF questions there: "Are the random_bits assigned during map generation or do they ever update?"
13:49:26  <frosch123> which random_bits :)
13:49:34  <TrueBrain> exactly why you need to be on DIscord! :P
13:49:51  <frosch123> is there a nice client meanwhile which can serve both irc and discord?
13:49:55  <frosch123> is matrix cool?
13:49:59  <TrueBrain> doubtful
13:50:03  <TrueBrain> Discord is pretty closed
13:50:09  <TrueBrain> Matrix is cool, and bridges to IRC just fine
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14:04:34  <frosch123> TrueBrain: lol, the cow channel is rate limited
14:05:16  <TrueBrain> yeah, I noticed
14:05:34  <TrueBrain> I totally understand why :P
14:05:51  <frosch123> there should be exceptions for cows
14:08:51  <frosch123> wait what.. tb also uses the gh avatar on discord. i assumed that was my stupid unique idea
14:09:04  <TrueBrain> nope, sorry :P
14:09:12  <TrueBrain> I totally forgot I did that
14:10:44  <frosch123> TrueBrain: <- that's way better
14:10:56  <TrueBrain> no
14:10:57  <TrueBrain> images
14:12:10  <frosch123> anyway, yt is full of people playing music to cows, and cows looking cowly at them in return
14:12:22  <TrueBrain> to cow or not to cow, that is the question :)
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17:22:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain opened pull request #37: Change: update annotation-check to latest version and move all NodeJS to only that folder
17:23:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #37: Change: update annotation-check to latest version and move all NodeJS to only that folder
17:24:18  <TrueBrain> soon I can remove a lot of those actions I think ... but first I have to go through the motions :(
17:26:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #37: Change: update annotation-check to latest version and move all NodeJS to only that folder
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17:27:50  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #37: Change: update annotation-check to latest version
17:27:56  <TrueBrain> how many pushes does it take to get a NodeJS project working .. we will find out!
17:36:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #37: Change: update dependencies of annotation-check
17:37:23  <TrueBrain> anyone feels like reviewing that piece of crap? Or shall I just self-approve and go YOLO on its ass?
17:39:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain merged pull request #37: Change: update dependencies of annotation-check
17:39:53  <TrueBrain> screw it, done with NodeJS bla
18:03:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain opened pull request #38: Feature: [aws-deployment] replace three Actions for a single Reusable Workflow
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18:12:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #38: Feature: [aws-deployment] replace three Actions for a single Reusable Workflow
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18:13:20  <andythenorth_> Yo
18:13:25  <TrueBrain> hi sweetie
18:13:42  <andythenorth_> ❤️
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18:21:56  <TrueBrain> I am happy I had this moment
18:21:57  <TrueBrain> :P
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18:26:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain merged pull request #38: Feature: [aws-deployment] replace three Actions with a single Reusable Workflow
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18:43:35  <peter1138> Nice
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19:10:13  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain opened pull request #39: Feature: [publish-image] replace three Actions with a single Reusable Workflow
19:16:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Feature: [publish-image] replace three Actions with a single Reusable Workflow
19:16:53  <TrueBrain> I think glx is going to like these last two PRs ... means soon we have a single place to control all workflows of all our repos .. no more 200 commits to fix 1 bug :D
19:17:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Feature: [publish-image] replace three Actions with a single Reusable Workflow
19:17:33  <TrueBrain> I just have to figure out why it is failing ..... which sadly gives this spam
19:17:40  <TrueBrain> owh well, at least makes the channel look busy :P
19:18:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Feature: [publish-image] replace three Actions with a single Reusable Workflow
19:18:14  <TrueBrain> helps to add all the files
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19:19:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain updated pull request #39: Feature: [publish-image] replace three Actions with a single Reusable Workflow
19:19:34  <TrueBrain> there we go!
19:21:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain merged pull request #39: Feature: [publish-image] replace three Actions with a single Reusable Workflow
19:33:17  * peter1138 stalking LordAro
19:33:21  <peter1138> 170km in :D
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20:35:22  <TrueBrain> :D
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20:51:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain opened pull request #40: Fix: [publish-image] forgot to readd a statement removed for debugging
20:52:12  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain merged pull request #40: Fix: [publish-image] forgot to readd a statement removed for debugging
20:52:25  <glx> oups
20:52:52  <TrueBrain> details details
20:52:53  <TrueBrain> :P
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21:12:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain opened pull request #41: Feature: [release] automatically tag the major version on release
21:12:58  <TrueBrain> more laziness
21:14:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain merged pull request #41: Feature: [release] automatically tag the major version on release
21:15:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain created new tag: v3.0.0
21:15:19  <TrueBrain> let's see if this breaks anything .. it shouldn't :)
21:15:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] github-actions[bot] created new tag: v3
21:15:32  <TrueBrain> good bot
21:16:26  <glx> and if you release a minor update it will update the v3 tag ?
21:16:31  <TrueBrain> yes
21:16:43  <TrueBrain> so you can do @v3 everywhere
21:16:49  <glx> nice
21:16:52  <TrueBrain> yup :)
21:17:00  <TrueBrain> always did it by hand, but Xaroth pointed out that was silly
21:17:01  <TrueBrain> so no more!
21:17:21  <glx> indeed that was silly to not automate
21:17:31  <TrueBrain> and all that work in actions just so I can do
21:17:42  <TrueBrain> workflow is now a lot easier to read
21:18:08  <TrueBrain> and no more those custom actions of ours!
21:18:13  <TrueBrain> pretty happy with the result :)
21:21:13  <glx> it will hang on checks (expecting commit checker)
21:21:37  <TrueBrain> no it doesn't :P
21:22:22  <TrueBrain> now let's see if it actually builds ...
21:27:34  <TrueBrain> and yeah, commit checker for TrueWiki was a bit silly .. I normally use another commit style than OpenTTD (semantic commit messages), but also because of `black` etc, there is no chance on weird whitespaces in weird places :)
21:27:37  <TrueBrain> so was wasting CPU :P
21:27:49  <TrueBrain>
21:27:53  <TrueBrain> look at that deployment
21:27:56  <TrueBrain> even has a nice little link :)
21:28:52  <glx> nice
21:29:32  <glx> yeah with black it's useless to check the diff for whitespaces
21:32:04  <frosch123> is irc dead now? it's weird to chat with the same people in two different places
21:32:18  <TrueBrain> it is
21:32:34  <TrueBrain> but we have to be inclusive towards LordAro !
21:33:06  <frosch123> @seen lordaro
21:33:06  <DorpsGek> frosch123: lordaro was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 2 hours, 28 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <LordAro> peter1138: AG22, just in case you're interested
21:33:14  <frosch123> ah, biking
21:33:54  <frosch123> i thought i had not read him in a long time, but i mentally filtered the bike chat
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21:37:05  <nielsm>  intense magic happening here
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21:39:55  <TrueBrain> those last 2 paragraphs
21:40:49  <frosch123> how can we abuse #embed </dev/urandom> ?
21:40:56  <frosch123> #embed </etc/passwd> ?
21:41:19  <frosch123> #embed <.git/config> ?
21:41:38  <frosch123> why is there no #shell ?
21:43:04  <nielsm> it might be simpler to just put those shell commands you want to execute on the unsuspecting user's computer into the makefile than trick the compiler into executing them
21:44:05  <nielsm> the set of users who read the complete source code to an application before building it is probably approximately equal to the set of users who read the complete build system before typing make
21:44:56  <frosch123> i am just surprised they accepted /dev/random, because it is platform-specific
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21:49:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain opened pull request #42: Fix: [aws-deployment] URL of environment was always staging
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21:52:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain merged pull request #42: Fix: [aws-deployment] URL of environment was always staging
21:54:02  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/actions] TrueBrain created new tag: v3.0.1
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22:17:52  <TrueBrain> looking at installing .. I wonder if OFTC implements webirc .. and if we could use it :P
22:18:58  <TrueBrain> I also worry about the "connection per Discord client" .. that sounds a bit weird .. should be avoidable, I am sure :)
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22:19:33  <glx> webchat uses qwerbic
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22:20:00  <TrueBrain> what is qwerbic?
22:20:13  <glx>
22:20:23  <glx> misstyped
22:20:24  <nielsm> usually irc servers restrict webirc features to pre-approved IP addresses
22:20:33  <nielsm> also this: "Reacting to a Discord message will send a CTCP ACTION (/me) on IRC."
22:20:47  <nielsm> with how I've seen reaction spam on discord that seems like a Bad Idea
22:20:57  <TrueBrain> glx: it is shocking how little it says what it actuall yis :D
22:21:21  <TrueBrain> nielsm: it is open source .. anything annoying can be removed :)
22:21:30  <nielsm> qwebirc is a hosted IRC client generally configured for a single irc server/network
22:22:09  <TrueBrain> ah, a web IRC client?
22:22:18  <TrueBrain> sorry, that webpage is really really really bad in telling what it actually is
22:22:27  <TrueBrain> the About page doesn't say anything it is about
22:22:59  <glx> features page seem to be informative
22:23:00  <TrueBrain> "qwebirc is an AJAX IRC client.", as first "feature"
22:23:18  <TrueBrain> so based on the AJAX I deduce they mean web
22:23:19  <TrueBrain> lol
22:23:30  <TrueBrain> how bad can you profile your software :D
22:23:36  <nielsm> the "webirc" feature mentioned is a thing that allows a host address to impersonate a different host address for a client
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22:23:58  <nielsm> that's generally a restricted feature that has to be enabled for the client in the irc server config
22:24:02  <TrueBrain> exactly why I was wondering if OFTC supports webirc ;)
22:24:17  <TrueBrain> (and if we could use it)
22:24:25  <TrueBrain> like that is why this conversation started ;)
22:24:58  <glx> "Passes user hostnames through directly to the IRC server via the WEBIRC/CGIIRC commands."
22:25:02  <TrueBrain> but a quick google gives me the impression OFTC is of the opinion webirc should die
22:25:24  <TrueBrain> gives me that impression
22:25:30  <nielsm> another thing that's technically distinct from the WEBIRC feature is the ability to have a large number of clients appearing from a single physical source address
22:26:18  <nielsm> I don't think the irc server admins will appreciate having a potentially very large number of "fake" users joining
22:26:24  <TrueBrain> although the suggested "solution" would be terrible for a DIscord bridge :D
22:26:34  <nielsm> since that's TCP connection load on their server
22:26:44  <TrueBrain> nielsm: let me introduce you to Matrix .. IRC is full of those :P
22:26:52  <TrueBrain> they lost that battle a few months ago already :)
22:27:13  <TrueBrain> (each Matrix user uses another IPv6 address to join IRC)
22:27:32  <TrueBrain> which is rather smart of Matrix, honestly
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22:30:36  <TrueBrain> but with all those bridges these days, between any network imaginable, I am surprised I don't find more information about how OFTC's stance is here
22:30:46  <TrueBrain> guess I should ask in staff channel
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22:32:35  <TrueBrain> just no clue how to join other channels via the Matrix bridge I am on :D :D
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22:36:17  <TrueBrain> without it, you get these annoying IRC messages like: "<username>: hi", which for most clients mean: "<DorpsGek> <username>: hi" ..
22:36:42  <TrueBrain> but you also don't want this IRC channel to get 1400+ users all of a sudden :D There has to be a balance here ..
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