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11:03:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] newbthenewbd commented on issue #10245: [Bug]: 12.2 is set to refuse to run in macOS 10.13 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10245 11:19:10 <petern> Well. 11:20:22 <Pruple> very 11:32:55 <andythenorth> variants? 11:35:08 <Pruple> veryants 11:38:23 <andythenorth> boot veryants 11:38:29 <Pruple> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053274918457987092/Quackhead_Transport_1900-06-09.png 11:38:30 <Pruple> to quote a spanish elecrical engineer, 11:38:42 <Pruple> ohle 11:39:03 <andythenorth> ohle ohle ohle ohle ohle 11:39:05 <LordAro> i guess the question is whether we could get away with lowering the macOS requirements to 10.13 11:39:10 <LordAro> it was clear that it didn't work in 10.12 11:39:31 <petern> Road variants? 11:39:36 <petern> macOS variants? 11:40:18 <Pruple> variant variants? nested buymenu? 🙂 11:40:34 *** newbthenewbd has joined #openttd 11:40:34 <newbthenewbd> ah so that answers my question whether it's visible anywhere once closed lol 11:41:23 <newbthenewbd> yeah I had just been willing to test it, but couldn't yet muster up courage to build it with some newer clang and see 11:41:26 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 11:41:34 <petern> Pruple: I mean... have you tried it? 11:41:56 <newbthenewbd> like, in older macos versions, it would just take... changing the Info.plist 11:42:14 <newbthenewbd> but nowadays, it's hardcoded into the binary somehow that "THIS IS FOR 10.14 ONWARDS", at the Obj-C level I think? 11:42:14 <Pruple> petern: busy enough with other stuff, I'm leaving variants alone for now 11:42:58 <petern> notbase variants 🙂 11:43:16 <LordAro> newbthenewbd: changing Info.plist was the only thing done in #9689 11:43:19 <LordAro> try it and see! 11:43:22 <newbthenewbd> yes but 11:43:25 <newbthenewbd> that requires a rebuild 11:43:30 <newbthenewbd> because macos toolchains read it 11:43:34 <newbthenewbd> and do their magic :) 11:43:41 <LordAro> well, yes 11:43:57 <newbthenewbd> the Steam version isn't as much signed, I think, and then the error when trying to launch the binary inside the .app itself is, let me fetch it, 11:44:13 <LordAro> steam versions are identical 11:44:18 <LordAro> it's literally the same binary 11:44:24 <newbthenewbd> > application requires at least OS X version 10.14.0 (10.14.0), but is being run on 10.13.6 ( 10.13.6/17G14042), and so is exiting.Crash encountered, generating crash log... 11:44:29 <newbthenewbd> and then it's some ObjC blabbery 11:44:57 <newbthenewbd> well idk the one from the .dmg complained about code signing here... right, maybe that's because it was after I changed the Info.plist 11:45:02 <newbthenewbd> while, didn't even bother in this case 11:45:26 <newbthenewbd> so yeah, that makes sense too, but it's a rebuild and I'm like, if someone rebuild it plox ❤️ ❤️ lol 11:45:55 <newbthenewbd> like, it's just me complaining but it affects some three years' worth of computers 11:46:17 <newbthenewbd> and we on 10.13 are actually a bit used to 10.14 only stuff working, Typora is an example 11:46:18 <petern> Yeah, the request to you is to make the change to test and ensure it works. so you will need to build it to test it. 11:46:29 <petern> We aren't going to just change it and hope. 11:46:43 <newbthenewbd> yeah I could test it but do I really have to rebuild it myself lol 11:46:47 <glx[d]> It's just Apple policy to force users to buy new devices 11:49:50 <FLHerne> Will the CI do it if you create a PR? 11:50:06 <newbthenewbd> that's an idea 11:50:35 <newbthenewbd> a very good one let's see 11:50:50 <LordAro> not one that you can access, i think? 11:50:57 <glx[d]> But CI artefacts are not accessible without modifying workflow 11:51:02 <newbthenewbd> :( 11:51:20 <newbthenewbd> or buying the pro version, is it lol 11:51:32 <FLHerne> It does build, but I can't see a ^ what glx said 13:00:58 <dP> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053295676320125008/Screenshot_from_2022-12-16_17-00-33.png 13:00:58 <dP> oops xD 13:05:49 <Pruple> you silly twisted boy you 13:15:06 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 13:16:39 <petern> Wut? 13:20:54 <petern> Whoops, I just used my CI to test compilation. 13:21:24 <LordAro> "whoops" 13:23:12 <petern> Fortunately it did. 14:05:02 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 14:05:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 14:11:52 *** tokai has quit IRC 14:21:47 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 14:26:01 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:36:06 *** nielsm has quit IRC 14:56:43 <andythenorth> I'm so frigging bored 14:56:53 <andythenorth> stuck in my loft, not allowed in the rest of the house 14:58:32 <andythenorth> I composed a short covid song 15:00:15 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 15:01:46 <LordAro> that bad, huh? 15:06:42 <Pruple> other viruses are available 15:06:57 <Pruple> been laid low for a couple of days here but apparently it's not covid... 15:18:27 <petern> Urgh. 15:18:43 <petern> "Why doesn't this SQL view definition match what's on the server!?" 15:18:56 <petern> git: lol you're not at HEAD 15:19:07 <andythenorth> LordAro: just bored 15:19:21 <Pruple> grfing time 15:19:25 <Pruple> pronounced fred 15:19:29 <andythenorth> not sick enough to be really sick, not well enough to write freds 15:19:49 <andythenorth> been watching TV 😛 15:20:01 <petern> frgwen 15:20:30 <petern> stnairav frgwen 15:20:51 <andythenorth> stroganov 15:22:10 <andythenorth> ok if the icon for 'random' is dice 15:22:20 <andythenorth> what's the icon for 'magically change livery to match engine'? 15:31:53 <petern> Chain-link? 15:33:28 <newbthenewbd> re 10.13, k fine attempting to build it lol, is fredcodec of any important use? 15:33:54 <petern> No 15:41:41 *** gelignite has quit IRC 15:54:17 <dP> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053339291511705671/Screenshot_from_2022-12-16_19-53-48.png 15:54:17 <dP> finally 15:54:35 <dP> took a bit more than a few hours... 16:08:34 <petern> Very... realistic. 16:19:47 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 16:24:07 <petern> Was it lunch? Oops. 16:28:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:01:21 <andythenorth> kinda 17:11:13 *** Gwyd has joined #openttd 17:11:13 <Gwyd> andythenorth: Paint can with magic wand 17:25:27 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 17:26:21 <newbthenewbd> mk so confirmed it just runs idk lol 17:28:08 <newbthenewbd> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053362907800420382/Zrzut_ekranu_2022-12-16_o_18.25.25.png 17:28:08 <newbthenewbd> built with Clang 15 (whether hauling the whole stdc++ along, I hope not) with only the 10.14.0 changed to 10.13.0 in Info.plist.in and even ld only complaining about some text-based stub files being out of sync, that I can see 17:30:53 <newbthenewbd> > (whether hauling the whole stdc++ along, I hope not) 17:30:53 <newbthenewbd> but I mean idk, I think this is enough to still warrant a "real" test, anyways 10.13 support (or even discrete non-blocking, if it randomly breaks in the future, well, it's been written in plaintext here that 10.14...) would be very ❤️ 17:36:33 <newbthenewbd> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053365026188181574/Zrzut_ekranu_2022-12-16_o_18.36.07.png 17:39:42 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:55:43 <newbthenewbd> btw if I'm not wildly misintepreting it, on the original pull request that unfortunately introduced such a Stallman's Printer™ (it's one char in the build system, put in there with a few other chars specifically to lock me out, that's actually locking me out, I get to call it that :D)... 17:56:21 <newbthenewbd> ...this comment from nielsmh would seem very wise: "Patching the Plist during the CI build sounds a little more reasonable to me, if it's theoretically possible to still build with a toolchain that can target older macOS versions." 17:59:51 <newbthenewbd> 'cause if it were just set technically post-build, and Finder still called that incompatible but it could be worked around by tweaking that one char instead of decoding a whole proprietary architecture or just rebuilding it possibly for hours (on an even older machine..), well that saves a lot of time even for the 10.12.6 folk who know <s>LD_PRELOAD</s> DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES 18:06:28 <LordAro> feel free to construct all that into a PR if you like 18:06:42 <LordAro> with justifications that aren't just "as i said on discord" ;) 18:06:43 <newbthenewbd> inb4 `test passed, you official macos build volunteer now` 18:07:01 <LordAro> definitely a possibility :p 18:07:28 <newbthenewbd> yeah rest assured that this poor student has no time for that and very much appreciates the work being done lol 18:08:19 <LordAro> students have more time than anyone else! :p 18:08:37 <newbthenewbd> nahh 18:09:03 <newbthenewbd> two reports on machining and hopefully a repeat test, still due today and it's past 7pm 18:09:18 <newbthenewbd> so obviously my efforts redirect here lol 18:09:24 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 18:09:27 <LordAro> precisely! 18:11:08 <dP> hm, how do I disable default vehicles? action0 on their ids doesn't seem to work 18:11:16 <dP> with climate 0 18:13:43 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:28:37 <dP> oh, they're numbered starting from 116 19:01:13 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:05:27 <petern> Hmm, no beer, only whisky. 19:05:49 <petern> Do I want to be able to go outside at 8am for a bike ride tomorrow... in the snow? 19:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> dP: in nml the line is "disable_item(FEAT_TRAINS, 0, 115);" 19:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> the other vehicles respectively 19:09:06 <dP> yeah, figured it out already, ty 19:09:19 <dP> now this shit desyncs :( 19:09:36 <dP> I'm so not equipped to debug that rn... 19:11:08 <dP> is cb 36 desync-safe? 19:11:41 <JGR> That depends what you do in it 19:11:54 <dP> changing power, speed and te 19:12:11 <JGR> What variables are you looking at? 19:12:23 <dP> current_railtype 19:12:28 <dP> doing NUTS thing basically 19:12:35 <dP> NUTS doesn't seem to desync... 19:14:41 <JGR> That should be OK 19:16:20 <JGR> I'd suggest setting `debuglevel desync=1` for testing anyway 19:17:55 <dP> I'll hope it's just because game didn't check the md5 for newgrf and I changed it locally 19:18:42 <JGR> If you change it locally between loading it into the server and into the client you;re not going to have a good time 19:19:23 <dP> yeah, I expected it to check md5 but looks like it only checks min_compatible_version or smth 19:19:39 <dP> as soon as I upped that it required me to download the older version 19:20:00 <JGR> MD5 checking is only done during the scan 19:20:10 <JGR> If you edit the files, you should do the scan again 19:20:35 <dP> does `reloadnewgrfs` not update it? 19:21:42 <JGR> No 19:22:38 <dP> yeah, that probably explains it then 19:22:55 <dP> I was developing it so I was reloading but not rescanning 19:23:04 <dP> so it let me on the server with newer grf 19:35:31 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened pull request #10246: Fix #10214: Various scriptable league table mnior issues https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10246 19:42:45 <petern> I dunno, these guys dump a PR on you and leave others to pick up the pieces 😉 19:43:51 <andythenorth> moar patches 19:43:56 <petern> Yes please 19:56:21 <andythenorth> less covids 20:02:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #10246: Fix #10214: Various scriptable league table minor issues https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10246#pullrequestreview-1221396950 20:07:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #10246: Fix #10214: Various scriptable league table minor issues https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10246 20:07:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc closed issue #10214: [Bug]: Scriptable league table minor issues https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10214 20:25:06 <TallTyler> Title screen competition is over, and it looks like I won. Only a few other contestants bothered to figure out the camera controls 😦 20:29:25 <andythenorth> oof 20:37:58 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #10247: Update: Title game for 13.0 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10247 20:45:22 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 20:47:27 <TrueBrain> and the winner is ME! 20:47:28 <TrueBrain> 😄 20:47:50 <TrueBrain> stolen election! 20:48:06 <TrueBrain> I must print some NFTs now to compensate .. 20:48:10 * TrueBrain goes back into his corner now 20:48:48 * andythenorth waves 20:49:10 <TrueBrain> yes, you go stay in your corner 20:49:16 <TrueBrain> stop spreading lies around you 20:49:39 <TrueBrain> wait, not lies .. VIRUS! That was it! Tomato tomato .. 20:50:14 <TrueBrain> awh, I scared him now 😦 20:51:55 <TallTyler> I have new Steam images for you sometime 🙂 20:52:03 <TallTyler> (in the PR, it's updated) 20:52:09 <TrueBrain> yeah, this weekend 20:52:10 <TrueBrain> maybe 20:52:13 <TrueBrain> if I feel like it 20:52:14 <TrueBrain> 😛 20:52:35 <TallTyler> I'm also the winner for those, unless somebody else wants to submit a competing PR 😛 20:52:59 <TrueBrain> FAKE 20:54:28 <TallTyler> I legitimately have trust issues from the last few years of living in the US 20:54:44 <TallTyler> My faith in humanity has never been lower 20:55:24 <TrueBrain> look at Europe 20:55:27 <TrueBrain> it will restore your faith 20:55:44 <TallTyler> I do, often through the lens of this Discord 20:56:14 <TallTyler> I'm in the process of getting my first formal software job, and then maybe I can work toward getting a visa to live in Europe 20:56:50 <TrueBrain> well, we do like to import good people, so you are more than welcome 😄 20:57:04 <TallTyler> 🙂 21:08:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #10247: Update: Title game for 13.0 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10247#issuecomment-1355609891 21:20:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #10247: Update: Title game for 13.0 release https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10247#issuecomment-1355624217 21:25:42 <petern> They can be retargeted. 21:26:01 <petern> Can be changed after clicking on Edit. 21:42:38 *** _aD has joined #openttd 22:20:13 *** _aD has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** wallabra has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** newbthenewbd has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** crem has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** hopingstar1806[m] has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** thomas[m]12345 has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** lezzbehonest[m] has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** josef[m] has quit IRC 22:20:13 *** nartir[m] has quit IRC 22:20:14 *** cawal[m] has quit IRC 22:20:14 *** patrick[m] has quit IRC 22:20:14 *** berndj has quit IRC 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