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10:37:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249
10:38:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249#issuecomment-1356167219
10:38:37  <petern> Um, unused string...
10:38:46  <petern> There's a marker for that right?
10:41:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249
10:42:57  <petern> Still? :/
10:43:13  <petern> Oh needs a space.
10:44:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249
10:52:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249#issuecomment-1356180508
10:54:08  <andythenorth> wonder what the longest USB-C power delivery cable I can buy is
10:54:12  <andythenorth> this one is 3m
10:54:23  <andythenorth> 4m would be better
10:55:11  <petern> I see 4.5M on the rainforest.
10:55:33  <petern> Oh, it's A to C, oops.
10:56:09  <petern> > uni USB C to USB C Cable 4.5M/15ft for Phone Laptop Switch (100W 20V/5A)
10:56:15  <andythenorth> that would do
10:56:30  <andythenorth> or I could move the power brick to the socket next to me
10:56:37  <petern> Pfff
11:00:02  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053627630064255026/image.png
11:00:02  <petern> I wonder if that is fixed in scaling.
11:03:13  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: that would be too easy
11:03:31  <andythenorth> it doesn't involve shopping, shopping is fun
11:03:38  <andythenorth> owning stuff is less fun
11:03:46  <andythenorth> we should invent inverse shopping
11:04:28  <petern> Selling?
11:04:44  <andythenorth> I've tried selling, it's fun for a bit
11:07:15  <andythenorth> eBay 2022: £1,799.55
11:07:35  <andythenorth> a high % of that goes to charity
11:07:52  <andythenorth> but it's a lot of packing and boxes and stuff
11:12:37  * petern checks
11:13:40  <petern> WELL
11:13:40  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053631061982187530/image.png
11:15:12  <petern> SA_TOP
11:15:13  <petern> lol
11:17:35  <pickpacket> I'm going to playtest a bit, but I'll probably release new version of my NewGRF after Christmas. Should I replace the one I have on bananas or just upload the new version alongside the old?
11:23:38  <petern> Is the same NewGRF isn't it? So it should replace it.
11:24:06  <petern> The content system automatically keeps old versions around in case they're needed.
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11:28:31  <pickpacket> petern: thanks :)
11:34:14  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #10250: Fix: Vertically centre chat label. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10250
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11:44:39  <petern> Timberwolf delved into Test Drive 3 and... now I want the open-source port...
11:54:07  <andythenorth> oh
11:54:15  * andythenorth found an Amiga games archive
11:54:23  <andythenorth> https://gamesnostalgia.com/game/stunt-track-racer
11:54:54  <MnHebi> I miss the Amiga..
11:57:29  <andythenorth> found Lotus Turbo Challenge...
11:57:31  <andythenorth> the music
11:57:47  <andythenorth> that game
11:57:48  <MnHebi> had the 3000T at one point just loaded chock full of games
11:57:51  <MnHebi> was fun...
11:57:53  <andythenorth> was so influential
11:58:30  <Pruple> I remember that one
11:58:40  <andythenorth> the music, the art style
11:58:50  <andythenorth> basically the Blue Monday of computer games
11:59:44  <MnHebi> I remember there was some switching yard game..
11:59:52  <MnHebi> I played that a ton..
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12:15:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #10250: Fix: Vertically centre chat prompt. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10250#pullrequestreview-1221788983
12:17:29  <pickpacket> I tried spacing trams out evenly by fiddling with time tables, but it seemed utterly impossible. If I adjust the time table so that a vehicle should stay, I dunno, ten days at a station, does that mean it can stay for ten days at most before being late or that it stays ten days before moving on?
12:17:49  <andythenorth> JGRPP -> autoseparate 😛
12:18:03  <pickpacket> is that in a NewGRF?
12:20:58  <petern> Heh
12:21:26  <pickpacket> hm?
12:22:07  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #10250: Fix: Vertically centre chat prompt. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10250
12:23:31  <andythenorth> pickpacket: no, it's in JGRPP patch pack 🙂
12:23:48  <andythenorth> I don't use it, except to see how it works
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12:23:58  <pickpacket> oh.
12:24:09  <andythenorth> but if you believe certain people, 'everybody has switched to JGRPP' 🙂
12:24:23  <petern> It's the new vanilla
12:25:24  <andythenorth> OpenTTD Variants
12:33:15  <petern> Hmm, shame webfinger can't be used for authentication.
12:33:26  <reldred> Just a vocal minority andythenorth 😛
12:39:42  <petern> Funny how fediverse uses ostatus, which references ostatus.org in the schema, but that domain is now something completely different.
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12:59:51  <petern> Ooh, Debian 11.6 released.
13:00:15  <andythenorth> meh did a plague test
13:00:19  <andythenorth> still got plague
13:01:56  <petern> Maybe I should have tested. Oh well.
13:02:19  <petern> Maybe I should test before tonight.
13:02:39  <petern> Supposed to be having an xmas curry with the cycling crew.
13:03:20  <petern> Just been tired and a bit bunged up for the past week tho
13:05:24  <petern> (Late nights not helping the tired :))
13:11:40  <petern> Test says no.
13:11:43  <petern> (So far)
13:11:54  <petern> I guess I should wait the required time heh
13:15:26  <pickpacket> petern: which part of the fediverse uses Ostatus? I thought that was completely abandoned in favour of AP
13:17:15  <petern> webfinger
13:18:50  <petern> Right at the end of https://webfinger.net/lookup/?resource=petererer%40fuzzle.me.uk
13:44:52  <pickpacket> Ah
13:49:13  <andythenorth> feels like lunch
13:49:15  <andythenorth> or even later
13:59:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #10233: Fix #10208: allow to use specific underlay for road/tram tunnels https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10233#pullrequestreview-1221798290
14:01:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler merged pull request #10233: Fix #10208: allow to use specific underlay for road/tram tunnels https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10233
14:01:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler closed issue #10208: [Bug]: NRT road tunnels lack custom overlays https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10208
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14:05:30  <FLHerne> pickpacket: for vehicles, offset is where to place the top-left corner of the sprite relative to the one corner of the bounding box that you can't see
14:05:52  <FLHerne> (there's a setting to show bounding boxes)
14:06:42  <FLHerne> so it's usually negative, and a bit less than half the sprite size
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14:14:49  <petern> If you use PR #10249 it's a lot easier to see the position 😄
14:15:40  <petern> Vehicles are a bit wonky as the bounding boxes themselves aren't 100% right in terms of where the sprite should be (sprite sorting is an awkward beast)
14:15:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249#pullrequestreview-1221799736
14:16:33  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249#issuecomment-1356276907
14:17:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] bocik1 commented on issue #358: [pl_PL] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/358
14:18:58  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249#issuecomment-1356278041
14:19:13  <petern> Yea, whoops 🙂
14:20:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nitricware opened issue #10251: [Bug]: dbg: [driver] Could not change to foreground application. Error -50 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10251
14:20:57  <petern> Blue tints eh
14:21:33  <andythenorth> river blue
14:23:08  <petern> Now I'm confused.
14:23:19  <petern> Nothing actually USES WWT_TEXTBTN_2 except the code I just wrote...
14:24:24  <petern> The landscape generator buttons use WWT_TEXTBTN with STR_JUST_STRING and a SetDParam()
14:25:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249#pullrequestreview-1221808084
14:27:36  <petern> Autoreplace wagon removal is a toggle that doesn't stay down, but has On/Off text instead.
14:29:15  <petern> Face window has multi-choice toggles instead. Hmm.
14:29:28  <petern> Apart from Simple / Advanced which doesn't stay down.
14:29:35  <petern> Who needs consistency?
14:48:33  <andythenorth> it is over-rated in UIs
14:48:40  <andythenorth> it's not a bad aim though 😛
14:50:10  <petern> I'm wondering if I should change it here now.
14:50:29  <petern> The wagon removal one is... odd.
14:50:50  <andythenorth> FWIW, I often miss the state
14:50:58  <andythenorth> leading to disappointment 😛
14:51:13  <andythenorth> my proposal to fix that button would be....throw it all out and do templates 😛
14:51:17  <andythenorth> 0->100
14:51:20  <petern> In this case it's arguable which mode should be lowered and not lowered 🙂
14:51:35  <petern> on/off is obvious enough
14:51:41  <petern> a/b less so
14:52:37  <andythenorth> petern: look at 'Show hidden' in autoreplace though
14:52:40  <andythenorth> toggles
14:52:43  <andythenorth> precedent 😛
14:53:11  <andythenorth> what does wagon removal do?
14:53:52  <petern> That's what a I meant. Show hidden is an on/off toggle, i.e. it's obvious
14:54:38  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053686665941618748/image.png
14:54:38  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053686666289762374/image.png
14:54:51  <petern> This is lowered to show the state but lowered doesn't mean much.
14:55:50  <petern> Same on the landscape generator window tbh.
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15:29:39  <petern> Do we have any windows with buttons-as-tabs?
15:30:02  <petern> (Other than train details window)
15:31:50  <petern> Colour Scheme window.
15:32:00  <andythenorth> station list?
15:32:11  <petern> Detailed performance rating
15:32:16  <andythenorth> some of the charts
15:32:26  <petern> Those are filter buttons rather than tabs.
15:33:03  <petern> Jazz Jukebox playlist
15:33:14  <petern> Hmm, not really. Kinda but not quite/.
15:33:21  <andythenorth> not quite
15:34:42  <andythenorth> wonder where my kindle went 😛
15:34:49  * andythenorth searches
15:35:31  <petern> Can you play OpenTTD on it?
15:36:41  <petern> I suppose not if you can't find it.
15:38:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #10249: Minor sprite aligner enhancements https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10249
15:43:58  <petern> 13 gets all the features
15:44:41  <Pruple> o/
15:45:24  <andythenorth> 13: the cursed number
15:45:30  * andythenorth was born on a 13
15:45:36  <petern> Makes it easier to see the bad offset of all the default grounds sprites, eh?
15:45:55  <andythenorth> variants was merged yet? 😛
15:59:05  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #10252: Change: Use lowered not disabled widget for current tab in Train Details window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10252
15:59:24  <petern> Such whims.
16:00:18  <petern> How is it 4pm already?
16:04:00  <andythenorth> I didn't do variants yet
16:17:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on issue #10251: [Bug]: dbg: [driver] Could not change to foreground application. Error -50 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10251
16:22:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #358: [pl_PL] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/358
16:24:10  <andythenorth> FML covid coding is harder than usual
16:26:06  <petern> :/
16:28:57  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #10252: Change: Use lowered not disabled widget for current tab in Train Details window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10252#pullrequestreview-1221824974
16:32:32  <petern> ^ This one is actually TTD behaviour, maybe I was too hasty 😉
16:34:28  <kamnet> andythenorth: TBH this is one of the main reasons I play almost exclusively with JGR
16:41:26  <petern> Hmm
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16:51:59  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] newbthenewbd opened pull request #10253: Change: Set minimum macOS version to 10.13 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10253
16:57:58  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053717704768503859/image.png
16:57:58  <petern> Maybe
16:57:58  <newbthenewbd> if it gets shot down again, at least I found a quick workaround that lets me play lol; turns out that in this case it's only the separately set deployment targets that stain the binary itself for the .app
16:58:52  <newbthenewbd> makes me wonder
16:59:04  <newbthenewbd> how did the 10.12.6 folks from the crashes run it
16:59:21  <newbthenewbd> if that deployment target was supposedly already set :p
17:07:24  <glx[d]> of course cached vcpkg packages are for 10.14
17:08:03  <newbthenewbd> it probably works anyways lol
17:08:08  <newbthenewbd> like the 12.2 does
17:09:28  <glx[d]> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/actions/runs/3720931828/jobs/6310755475#step:8:877
17:10:05  <newbthenewbd> ya been closely patrolling that myself :)
17:13:32  <glx[d]> but it seems to build and run fine on the CI
17:14:11  <glx[d]> (CI is on 12.6.1)
17:14:37  <newbthenewbd> the problem mentioned in limitations would be more likely to pop up on Friday afternoon on some angry dev's computer :)(
17:15:35  <newbthenewbd> unless even Apple decided that it's artificial by now
17:17:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #10252: Change: Use lowered not disabled widget for current tab in Train Details window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10252#issuecomment-1356339284
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17:17:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nitricware commented on issue #10251: [Bug]: dbg: [driver] Could not change to foreground application. Error -50 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10251
17:21:07  <Timberwolf> petern: There's so much you could do with that game if you had a workable codebase. It's got potential.
17:21:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #10252: Change: Use lowered not disabled widget for current tab in Train Details window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10252#pullrequestreview-1221830402
17:21:46  <petern> I loved it when I was little.
17:23:13  <petern> System Shock is harsh. You die, you die.
17:23:28  <petern> Load from last save is order of the day. At least there are saves.
17:25:42  <petern> (That already has a modern refresh though :))
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17:26:36  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #10253: Change: Set minimum macOS version to 10.13 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10253#pullrequestreview-1221830914
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17:35:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #10253: Change: Set minimum macOS version to 10.13 https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10253
17:39:56  <petern> I thought we didn't enable HW accel on macOS?
17:40:08  <petern> (#10251)
17:41:54  <andythenorth> we debated it a lot
17:42:24  <andythenorth> there's a ticket
17:42:32  <glx[d]> I think it's off now, but it might have been on at some point
17:43:25  <glx[d]> and it's an intel integrated
17:44:06  <glx[d]> most opengl issues we had are intel related
17:58:51  <glx[d]> newbthenewbd: you should be able to try the next nightly build
17:59:17  <glx[d]> (if it builds)
17:59:38  <newbthenewbd> :openttdlove:
18:00:18  <glx[d]> it's not the exact same workflow (nighlies also build for arm64)
18:01:06  <glx[d]> while CI only tests x86_64
18:04:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #10252: Change: Use lowered not disabled widget for current tab in Train Details window. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10252
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18:19:02  <petern> Hmm, maybe it was just the default setting.
18:19:32  <petern> vsync is hidden for macOS but hw_accel is not. I'm sure I remember a big discussion about it not being allowed...
18:21:02  <petern> Hmm, I wish I had some alcoholic beverage. Maybe I should break in to the box I got to give to my dad...
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18:30:11  <newbthenewbd> now for something funnily different, went reading the openttd news archive and noticed
18:30:19  <newbthenewbd> that https://www.gog.com/game/openttd claims it's 10.11+ lol
18:31:10  <petern> Might have been when that was first put up
18:31:26  <newbthenewbd> should've tried that version before bugging y'all they added the stub themselves for sure
18:40:32  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/888c9172e07f19d644e7c4c4e933b7756870627b
18:40:33  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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18:46:10  <petern> Did you try it?
19:15:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] Daviloper0 opened issue #362: [pt_BR] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/362
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20:41:03  <glx[d]> newbthenewbd: you can now try nightly build
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20:42:53  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #362: [pt_BR] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/362
20:49:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone commented on pull request #10144: Add: NewGRF road stops https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10144#pullrequestreview-1221891218
21:08:07  <petern> Jesus Discord, stop highlighting the stupid Gift Nitro button every time I look a way for a second.
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21:17:44  <MnHebi> GIFT NITRO
21:18:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #10144: Add: NewGRF road stops https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10144#pullrequestreview-1221899406
21:21:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #10144: Add: NewGRF road stops https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10144#pullrequestreview-1221899568
21:23:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison updated pull request #10144: Add: NewGRF road stops https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10144
21:27:41  <petern> ffs, my dogs decided to have fight over food and sliced my finger as I split them up. Dogs 😦
21:33:48  <andythenorth> oops
21:57:34  <newbthenewbd> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053793096439177387/Zrzut_ekranu_2022-12-17_o_22.56.15.png
21:57:34  <newbthenewbd> glx[d]: ain't no arm64, but works as intended here 👀
22:05:12  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053795023239516260/image.png
22:05:35  <petern> Fixing a bug that manifests with OpenGFX, and got carried away...
22:06:38  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053795382674595850/image.png
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22:23:01  <andythenorth> we have tabs in company colour UI 😛
22:23:13  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053799558171340840/group_livery_ui_example.psd
22:23:28  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053799619701772349/group_livery_ui_example.png
22:23:36  <andythenorth> feat. icons
22:24:50  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053799962649047090/game_setup_gui_2f.png
22:25:17  <andythenorth> if they're pane-switching tabs, they should connect into a single block, ideally 😛
22:25:32  <andythenorth> oh Rage Against the Machine on random play
22:25:36  <andythenorth> christmasy
22:28:26  <petern> I split them deliberately, lol
22:29:14  <petern> (To see what it's like)
22:31:51  <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053801730489450566/image.png
22:33:20  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053802104235499592/image.png
22:33:24  <andythenorth> never noticed before
22:33:38  <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1053802178789265468/image.png
22:33:54  <petern> Edge is weird?
22:34:25  <andythenorth> it's as though the window is unframed
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