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00:12:02 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 00:36:33 *** Soni has quit IRC 01:06:16 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 01:15:26 *** Soni has joined #openttd 01:42:25 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 02:26:55 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:30:15 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:30:44 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 03:57:44 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 04:16:30 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 04:16:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 04:23:07 *** tokai has quit IRC 04:40:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #11101: Codechange: split string and integer in string parameters https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11101#pullrequestreview-1510336239 04:56:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #11101: Codechange: split string and integer in string parameters https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11101 05:20:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103 06:15:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1510445736 06:16:03 <peter1138> Oh it doesn't build 😄 06:16:34 <peter1138> Does but regression is different. 06:43:46 *** keikoz has quit IRC 06:58:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1510501430 07:09:56 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 07:24:24 <peter1138> Okay, reverting the 'it's a giant complex dropdown' look. 07:48:13 *** _zephyris has joined #openttd 07:48:13 <_zephyris> Eddi|zuHause: Worked perfectly, thank you. Two instances of too few sprires in a template, two replace_new offset typos, and one mystery... 07:49:43 <_zephyris> Does anyone know what the last two sprites in the elrail catenary replace_new set are for? 08:47:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] M3Henry commented on pull request #11102: Change: Only show platform stopping location in orders when other than default https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11102#issuecomment-1617649324 09:20:52 *** emperorjake has joined #openttd 09:20:52 <emperorjake> Semi related issue, but why can't we make [middle] the default position for orders? 09:26:55 <peter1138> You can, it's just not the default default position. 09:37:14 <emperorjake> I know, but I'm saying it should be the default 09:38:16 <emperorjake> [far end] may be how TTD did it, but it looks worse in most circumstances 09:49:51 <peter1138> Well, make a PR. 10:16:05 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 10:28:22 *** DDR has quit IRC 10:32:43 *** DDR has joined #openttd 10:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause> _zephyris: tunnel entrance? 10:55:34 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe depot entrance 11:03:46 <brickblock19280> turns out it is hard to test your code when it isn't being used 11:41:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1511015541 11:42:04 <_glx_> But my math can be wrong 11:46:20 <peter1138> Hmm, I've been asked to change some fonts (hah) to "monotype grotesque" and true to form, it looks quite grotesque :/ 12:24:43 *** Kitrana1 has quit IRC 12:34:17 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 12:35:51 <peter1138> And they want it to be a light variant. So it goes to shit with fallback fonts. 12:42:27 <_glx_> and my math was wrong after testing 12:43:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #11102: Change: Only show platform stopping location in orders when other than default https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11102#issuecomment-1618190122 12:47:33 <talltyler> Hover or clicked-on-to-highlight? 12:47:53 <peter1138> Hover, given clicked on is the action that changes the value (iirc) 12:48:29 <talltyler> You have to click twice to change - once to highlight, again to change 12:48:40 <talltyler> If you’re already highlighted one click is enough 12:48:43 <peter1138> Ah, okay, then that may work better and fit in better. 12:49:19 <talltyler> I don’t think we use hover anywhere in OpenTTD, do we? 12:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, autorail 12:49:51 <peter1138> It's a weird one. 12:50:02 <peter1138> There's an OnHover "event" but it's not actually used. 12:50:17 <Eddi|zuHause> tooltips 12:50:18 <peter1138> OnTooltip is a special case for OnHover. 12:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> we're still at the stage where "the order gui needs a complete overhaul" 12:51:03 <peter1138> I suspec whatever was in OnHover when it was added has since been moved elsewhere. 12:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i would have expected OnHover was introduced with OnTooltip, in expectance of using it at some point? 12:55:21 <peter1138> Nope, I added OnTooltip much later, and that probably removed all the users of OnHover. 12:56:41 <peter1138> Before OnTooltip, OnHover was how custom tooltips (i.e. using parameters, not static strings) were made, but it required each instance to implement the "should we display a tooltip yet" tests. 12:58:01 <peter1138> There's other places where the word "hover" is used but they are talking about cursor position while doing drag & drop. 12:59:21 <talltyler> Yeah, I’m definitely not using hover here. The most consistent thing with the rest of the UI is another drop-down, but…ugh. We already have too many dropdowns in that window 12:59:58 <peter1138> Display it when selected 13:03:29 <talltyler> Good idea 13:07:25 <talltyler> Maybe I can fit a 5th drop-down by shortening the existing drop-down titles: “non-stop / Full load / Unload all / Refit” 13:08:28 <talltyler> Eddi: It does need an overhaul, but in lieu of any clear visions, I’m approaching it from an incremental approach 13:08:58 <talltyler> Another PR for later: make Transfer the default unloading action on that button, instead of Unload All 13:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure about that 13:11:02 <Eddi|zuHause> like, you never need transfer if you have cargodist enabled 13:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> also, transfer is probably the most confusing for new players 13:20:20 <talltyler> Unload All has an even more niche use case 13:21:11 <talltyler> And who uses CargoDist for freight? I see that question all the time from new players, often about transferring cargo from ships to trains or trains to road vehicles for final delivery 13:21:24 <peter1138> I do? 13:21:31 <talltyler> Plus that one isn’t a change geared towards new players, that’s a click I want to save myself 🙂 13:21:34 <peter1138> Without cargo dist is... meh 13:22:42 <talltyler> Fair enough, I think it mostly disrupts boost cargos in FIRS and other industry sets that need specific amounts of things 13:23:00 <talltyler> Do you use Unload All? 13:23:36 <emperorjake> Cargodist + FIRS is very inconvenient without JGRPP's equal distribution feature 13:23:48 <peter1138> I don't play FIRS, it's has way too much in it. 13:24:02 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:24:35 <emperorjake> I didn't enable cargodist for freight before that was a thing 13:24:55 <emperorjake> but now I play with it on for everything (except sometimes raw materials) 13:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a conflict with the "effect of distance on demand" which should be high for passengers but low for freight 13:35:53 <brickblock19280> that could be fixed by doing it per cargo class 13:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but that would mean more settings 13:41:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1511225947 13:41:59 <_glx_> that should explain why regression test fails for MSVC 13:58:43 <peter1138> Weird 14:03:43 <_glx_> added some screenshots 14:14:09 <alfagamma_0007> Hmm 14:14:09 <alfagamma_0007> Vanilla openttd has timetables 14:14:14 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1125429297436430387/image.png 14:14:33 <_glx_> kind of tunnel 14:16:45 <Rubidium_> _glx_: maybe because of the const std::string returned from GetEncodedText()? 14:18:13 <Rubidium_> might it work if the const is removed? 14:21:50 <_glx_> I can try 14:22:37 <Rubidium_> I got a diff 14:23:05 <Rubidium_> rbijker.net/openttd/fix-11103.diff 14:37:06 <_glx_> with the diff it seems to work fine 14:37:17 <_glx_> running ctest to be sure 14:38:50 <_glx_> and ctest passed 14:39:11 <ahyangyi> brickblock19280: We can select tunnel types now? 😮 14:39:22 <brickblock19280> not yet 14:39:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 dismissed a review for pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1510445736 14:39:35 <brickblock19280> or well you can but they are all the same 14:39:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103 14:41:39 <ahyangyi> That's the best kind of choices 14:43:00 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:05:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1511373395 15:10:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1511380561 15:25:10 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 15:46:47 <andythenorth> don't use cargodist if you actually want to distribute to more than 2 destinations 😛 15:46:54 <andythenorth> it doesn't work for freight 15:47:34 <andythenorth> it works less well than it might, for freight 15:49:29 <peter1138> I think I imagined somebody starting work on cargo dest... 15:52:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that was michicc 15:58:50 <andythenorth> we hallucinated it 15:58:53 <andythenorth> we're just LLMs 16:02:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:06:45 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103#pullrequestreview-1511473152 16:08:04 <Rubidium_> hooray 16:08:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #11103: Codechange: support string temporaries as DParam/Remove: stredup https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11103 16:11:45 <peter1138> > // Copy font name, as it needs to be valid after this scope. 16:11:50 <peter1138> Ulterior motive 😉 16:12:41 <Rubidium_> I reckoned something like that was behind it 16:12:51 <peter1138> Also it made sense :p 16:12:54 <Rubidium_> though I hope you didn't stredup anything in your patch :D 16:29:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #10733: Codechange: use standard int types https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10733 16:42:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] merni-ns opened pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104 16:44:38 <LordAro> In an attempt to diagnose my repeatedly blue-screening computer, I am currently running without a graphics driver 16:44:50 <LordAro> This means a single screen at a very stretched 1024x768 resolution 16:44:54 <LordAro> It's not fun 16:47:30 <merni> hey I just blue-screened too 16:47:41 <merni> but first time on this laptop 16:50:25 <peter1138> That sounds like a graphics driver to me. 16:50:36 <peter1138> 80x25 text mode is without a graphics driver 🙂 16:51:13 <merni> do modern monitors even use 80x25 text mode? 16:51:30 <merni> whenever I use linux in text mode it's much more than that 16:52:20 <peter1138> No, even old monitors didn't have text modes. Monitors display video signals. 16:52:47 <peter1138> Sometimes a something a bit quirky, like vector... 16:54:39 <_zephyris> Eddi|zuHause: It's weird. They look totally unused to me. The newgrf specs indicate 48 sprires for electric rail catenary: https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Replace_new_sprites 16:54:39 <_zephyris> The OpenTTD sprite table goes up to an offset of 46, which is the tunnel icon and cursor: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/af9b9327afdbd621d9467c128bdb2bce06cd2732/src/table/sprites.h#L1282 16:54:39 <_zephyris> So probably genuinely unused... TTDPatch holdover? 16:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> _zephyris: might very well be a TTDPatch thing 16:58:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] merni-ns updated pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104 17:01:13 <_glx_> _zephyris: <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/media/baseset/openttd/elrails.nfo> says 48 sprites (from <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/media/baseset/openttd/elrails.png>) 17:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> _glx_: but it doesn't say what they were meant to be 17:03:38 <_glx_> at least it shows the sprites 17:05:31 <_glx_> and SPR_ELRAIL_BASE + 44 is part of the 48 catenary sprites 17:05:53 <_zephyris> Hmm, there's a chance I'm being dumb... I'll take another look when the kids are in bed! 17:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> _glx_: but the last two sprites look blank to me 17:07:04 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1125472794679984167/image.png 17:07:04 <brickblock19280> hmm 17:07:19 <_glx_> yeah I don't know what they are used for 17:16:02 <_glx_> oh might be a TTDP memory alignment thing (0x30 is better than 0x28 I guess) 17:19:41 <_jgr_> brickblock19280: Are you trying to develop something, why do you keep posting all these broken screenshots? 17:20:12 <brickblock19280> I am trying to add custom newgrf tunnels 17:22:40 <_glx_> but tunnels are part of railtrack (and road/tram but those are more limited) 17:24:22 <brickblock19280> currently I have gotten the tunnel botton to open a copy of the build bridge widnow and build a tunnel once that has been done 17:24:55 <_glx_> usually GUI is the last thing to do 🙂 17:25:36 <brickblock19280> probably but it seemed easier to start there 17:25:56 <_glx_> GUI is the hardest part (at least for me) 17:26:09 *** gelignite has quit IRC 17:26:41 <brickblock19280> it seems hard to test the other parts wiothout it tho 17:36:22 <merni> why is the base graphics in the online preview game missing sprites? 17:37:44 <merni> hm, opengfx 0.6.0 17:37:51 <merni> can't that be updated on the server? 17:39:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] merni-ns commented on pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104#issuecomment-1618931465 17:43:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] merni-ns commented on pull request #11092: fix: Correct order of messages for admin port company msgs https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11092#issuecomment-1618935382 17:53:29 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 17:56:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] merni-ns opened pull request #11105: Doc: minor changes to documentation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11105 18:03:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104#issuecomment-1618956976 18:05:39 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11105: Doc: minor changes to documentation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11105#pullrequestreview-1511600991 18:07:53 <andythenorth> shall we extend GS today then? 18:08:59 <LordAro> merni: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/os/emscripten/pre.js#L44 18:09:02 <LordAro> i think. 18:11:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104#issuecomment-1618963984 18:13:04 <merni> LordAro: How do I test the emscripten build locally, though? 18:15:18 <LordAro> merni: there's a readme in that dir :p 18:15:25 <merni> oops 18:15:32 <LordAro> not that i have any knowledge of it myself 18:17:17 <merni> I'll take a look, thanks 18:22:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] merni-ns updated pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104 18:32:54 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:36:06 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:37:53 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104#pullrequestreview-1511632100 18:38:28 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:39:22 <brickblock19280> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1125496023305961623/image.png 18:39:22 <brickblock19280> 🎉 🥳 18:40:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/bcaa60612e6d6a398bba9db519cbd8f959301e36 18:40:42 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:41:55 <merni> LordAro: It looks like the newer versions of OpenGFX are not available in that CDN link 18:43:33 <merni> and in the normal release link https://www.openttd.org/downloads/opengfx-releases/latest it is compressed with zip 18:47:28 <truebrain> just update in-game to the latest version 18:52:34 <merni> "Could not connect to the content server..." 19:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 16*25 19:18:25 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 400 19:26:56 <andythenorth> when is GS initialised during newgame? 19:27:00 <andythenorth> after grf? 19:27:06 <_glx_> online content used to be available in previews 19:27:20 <_glx_> I think 19:28:30 <andythenorth> or to put it another way, the grf could really benefit from knowing if a specific GS is present 19:31:26 <andythenorth> alternatively we could let GS modify the grf 19:31:30 <_glx_> but as said, GS is only on the server 19:31:43 <_glx_> so grf on client will desync 19:32:28 <_glx_> and GS is started at the end of map generation 19:32:33 <andythenorth> the server can't issue commands to the clients to modify the grf? 19:32:39 <andythenorth> we could let the GS write grf in place 19:35:25 <andythenorth> literally replace sprites 😛 19:36:15 <peter1138> Have you considered descrribing what you want to achieve, other than "gs and grf talk" or "gs control grf" or "grf control gs"? 19:36:27 <peter1138> Or is that no fun? 19:38:08 <andythenorth> well 19:38:21 <andythenorth> right now I want to add electricity 19:38:25 <andythenorth> which requires power plants 19:38:34 <andythenorth> but if the GS isn't present the power plants are meaningless 19:38:42 <andythenorth> so they shouldn't be available 19:41:17 <truebrain> _glx_: it should work, yes .. but possibly something goes wrong with the websocket connection it tries to establish .. I actually didn't test that after migration, I have to admit 🙂 19:41:40 <andythenorth> unrelated to the idea above, GS needs to be able to set industry prod_level 19:42:10 <_glx_> basically you want unbuildable industries, unless built by GS 19:42:36 <peter1138> "But not just any GS" 19:43:13 <andythenorth> well I've only got 1 😛 19:43:46 <_glx_> CB28 could work 19:44:41 <_glx_> in coordination with prop17 and prop18 19:47:23 <andythenorth> currently using a side channel flag to tell the grf to increase on cb 35 19:47:36 <andythenorth> it sucks because the GS has no idea what the industry production level is currently 19:47:57 <andythenorth> and the timing isn't necessarily reliable between GS and grf 19:48:01 <_glx_> side channel is never a good idea 19:50:07 <andythenorth> well I set GSIndustry.INDCTL_NO_PRODUCTION_INCREASE to false every month 19:50:17 <andythenorth> then remove it for industries that should increase 19:50:43 <andythenorth> but that means FIRS will only now work with the GS 19:51:55 <andythenorth> industries will always increase, from game start 19:54:05 <_glx_> well the grf should still work without GS 19:54:26 <andythenorth> I could rely on combos of the other flags 19:54:34 <andythenorth> there are 3 bits, so 8 values 19:55:05 <_glx_> abusing the flags could have weird results if another GS is used 19:55:31 <_glx_> never assume your GS will be used 19:56:17 <andythenorth> waproblem for later 🙂 19:56:26 <_glx_> people already change stuff in running game while we say they shoud not 19:56:42 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 20:00:47 <andythenorth> when we get enough crashes via sentry, someone will fix GS <-> grf 20:05:37 <peter1138> No, no amount to saying "someone will fix" will actually help. 20:09:38 <talltyler> “Somebody” will fix it “someday” 20:12:10 <andythenorth> so we're not going to let GS rewrite arbitrary sprites in grf? 20:12:38 <andythenorth> I had the most horrible idea for how to do it 😛 20:13:09 <andythenorth> involving grfcodec generating 'templates' then string substituting them in python to create squirrel string templates 20:13:46 <peter1138> "Sprites" are only loaded on start up. 20:16:30 <andythenorth> another beautiful concept dies 20:30:51 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 20:36:18 <andythenorth> so this JSON messaging protocol idea 😛 20:36:32 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:36:40 <andythenorth> https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Development/Design%20Drafts/GS-NewGRF%20Communication%20via%20JSON 20:38:19 <locosage> let gs send wasm to execute xD 20:42:55 <andythenorth> most of the things I want to do could be done without GS - grf comms 20:43:01 <andythenorth> just let GS mutate more game state 20:43:07 <andythenorth> but 20:43:25 <andythenorth> I'll probably be the 3rd person to complain if GS start 'breaking' grfs 20:43:35 <andythenorth> in unintended ways 20:43:46 <andythenorth> so I guess we have to depend on explicit communication 21:15:19 *** keikoz has quit IRC 21:17:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #11105: Doc: minor changes to documentation https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11105 21:24:47 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #11104: Fix #11096: Increase priority of error and confirmation windows https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11104 21:24:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #11096: [Bug]: In the high score table pressing the window X to exit does not work https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11096 21:24:59 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:31:17 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:20:18 <peter1138> Forum-zorging 22:24:56 <locosage> I would've used plane cheat on citymania servers if there were any large airplanes 😆 22:33:47 *** Flygon has quit IRC 23:10:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC