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02:04:26 *** herms has quit IRC 02:05:48 *** herms has joined #openttd 02:08:28 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:11:56 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:27:11 *** jorropo has joined #openttd 02:27:12 <jorropo> Hey this probably is an already over asked question but why would adding signals on bridges and tunnels is the borderline impossible ? 02:27:12 <jorropo> I get that the map is 2D and tunnels and bridges only really exists at the entrances, then the "physical" being of the train is removed and teleported to it's own "subspace bubble" that is the tunnel or bridge, finally teleported back at the end. 02:27:12 <jorropo> I mean, what I expect right now is that there is a signalling system that snips the tracks in blocks and a graph for path signals, wouldn't it be easy to have the subspace bubbles feed in their own graph / blocks data ? It would be tricky at the entry and exits since they could be real / subspace world, or different subspaces, but I think it should be fine using aliased pointers. 02:27:12 <jorropo> Github tells me it's 84% C++, so what I expect is that there are asbtractions everywhere except changing anything still require breaking all of them. 02:27:12 <jorropo> From a scale of 1 to 10 how much wrong am I ? 02:27:13 <jorropo> I'm really tempted by trying to send you a patch but I'm kinda scared of something like old C transitioned into C++ and the 2D map indecies are used in a hash table to compute signaling blocks time and actually there is subspace bubble, just portals on the 2D floodfill. 02:32:46 <belajalilija> Jgrpp has signals on bridges 02:32:52 <belajalilija> And in tunnels 02:33:05 <belajalilija> Not reading all that though 02:36:05 <jorropo> belajalilija: Intresting thx, so if someone were to send signals on bridges and tunnel, would the anwser be "use Jgrpp instead" ? 02:36:38 <belajalilija> jorropo: Wdym 02:37:23 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 02:38:36 <jorropo> belajalilija: Does the Openttd maintainers would look at code that do this in openttd ? 02:39:57 <jorropo> I guess it's a meta question, what is Jgrpp's relationship with openttd, I've heard the name before but never looked deeper. 02:40:13 <belajalilija> Possibly, you’d have to talk to them though, they might also mention that adding a new feature means that it is more to be maintained 03:41:47 <jorropo> belajalilija: I've tried, it has on entry / exists, it's not quite what I want, I want that if I have a 60 long tunnel I can still have my 7 signal spread 04:14:23 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 04:52:08 <shrekshellraiser> jorropo: It is a fork of openttd with more features that either nobody has tried to merge into base openttd, or don't fit in openttd 06:38:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke opened issue #11166: [Crash]: pressed 'R' after selecting railway station builder https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11166 06:45:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #11166: [Crash]: pressed 'R' after selecting railway station builder https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11166 07:27:21 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 07:43:24 *** locosage has joined #openttd 07:43:24 <locosage> jorropo: There is some graph but it's in a firm of pathfinder cache. First and foremost signals are stored on map tiles that don't allow for multiple height layers. 07:44:41 <locosage> What jgrpp has is a hack that stores bridge signals on bridge heads. It works alright in the most common case of auto-spaced signals but it doesn't to place signals on bridges freely 08:23:01 <belajalilija> locosage: Correct 09:04:46 <talltyler> And that is the hack that makes it unsuitable for vanilla, IMHO. Signals on bridge heads with virtual signals spaced along the bridge is not really user-friendly design 09:11:29 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 09:11:53 <talltyler> If the user experience could be improved I would love to see it in vanilla 09:26:13 <FLHerne> jorropo: the implementation in JGRPP is a bit of a hack, it assumes that bridges/tunnels either have no signals, or block signals spaced <n, configurable globally> tiles apart 09:26:43 <FLHerne> oh, covered already 09:27:07 <_jgr_> The spacing is per bridge/tunnel these days 09:29:58 <FLHerne> _jgr_: oh, neat 10:01:27 *** Born_Acorn has joined #openttd 10:17:01 <peter1138> jorropo: Not impossible. Main issue is that beyond the end tiles, bridges and tunnels don't exist, so the simple solution of just storing signal data on the map isn't possible. 12:02:57 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 12:03:06 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 12:05:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Bouke commented on issue #11166: [Crash]: pressed 'R' after selecting railway station builder https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11166 12:33:46 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 12:44:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #11166: [Crash]: pressed 'R' after selecting railway station builder https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11166 13:21:15 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:29:20 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 14:31:49 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 15:10:11 <jorropo> locosage: I was expecting to do the same thing but configurable per bridge, that means you could use a signal on a bridge, and a UI allows you to configure signal spread and the spread offset, it would also integrate with the CTRL + Click placing feature. 15:10:44 <jorropo> Thx peoples 15:25:37 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:40:14 <_jgr_> Where to store the signal data is not really the thing to worry about 15:41:05 <_jgr_> For the most part it doesn't matter if end tiles or somewhere off map are used 15:41:56 <_jgr_> The complexity mostly comes from train movement, and to a lesser extent from PBS interactions at the two ends 15:45:35 <truebrain> Did anyone mention newmap already? 😄 15:45:45 <truebrain> I thought, let's do an Andy 🙂 15:57:40 *** Born_Acorn has quit IRC 16:15:30 <kamnet> andy said he's waiting to install ChatGTP on his MBP to work it all out. 16:38:30 <truebrain> Yeah, he shouldn't, he is hosting openttd.org atm .. 16:38:49 <LordAro> just get ChatGPT to host the website for us 16:40:18 <FLHerne> ask it to write the game code while you're at it 17:01:22 <alfagamma_0007> FLHerne: Very funny 17:08:26 <truebrain> FLHerne: I tried. It refuses, talking some bullshit about needing to understand the code and not being uptodate and more blabla excuses .. sad. 17:12:59 <peter1138> Oh balls, I used tar to clone an lxc container... it hasn't preserved file owners properly 😦 17:14:00 <peter1138> Although that doesn't really seem to make sense with how tar works :/ 17:14:49 <peter1138> > This answer is simply incorrect. tar does record owner names. 17:14:50 <peter1138> Oh, fair. 17:16:36 <truebrain> `-a` option of tar helps for many of these things (archive) 17:55:20 <andythenorth> GPT claimes it could write GS, then hallucinated something javascript-ish that was not GS nor better 17:56:35 <andythenorth> I am really puzzled by all these “this GPT prompt makes me m per week” youtube videos. 17:56:58 <andythenorth> Might they not be 100% true? 18:08:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #11165: Fix #11164: Duplicate town names when using the many random towns function https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11165 18:08:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 closed issue #11164: [Bug]: Scenario editor: Many random towns function creates towns with duplicate names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11164 18:23:41 <truebrain> andythenorth: lies? With "make NNN per week with ZZZ" videos? Well, not really .. THEY make NNN, but they are not telling you 😛 18:29:31 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 18:29:48 <peter1138> Artificial Insemination commonly results in bullshit. 18:29:49 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 18:38:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/11ba39b4358d5ac71fe1abc3d4d26afb72d08332 18:38:30 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 18:43:55 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 18:44:45 <andythenorth> truebrain: Do you have a course I can take? 18:45:02 <truebrain> yes. For 1000 dollar, I will tell you how to make YouTube movies to tell others how to make money 18:45:11 <truebrain> damn, I sold this poorly 18:45:29 <truebrain> "Make over 1000 dollar a day by this one simple trick" course can be made available to you .. for 1000 dollar 18:46:11 <truebrain> Gauranteed success or money back! ("success" is measured by how content I am with your 1000 dollar) 18:53:53 <andythenorth> I sign up! 18:54:17 <truebrain> sorry, the class is full, you are just too late 18:54:24 <truebrain> let that be the first lesson 18:54:29 <truebrain> the bill is on its way 19:08:51 <peter1138> do do, do do, do! do do de do do de do doodly doo... 19:10:06 <peter1138> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJ92mdIH1c> 19:39:30 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:47:34 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:43:39 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:03:27 *** keikoz has quit IRC 22:45:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 23:50:50 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 23:50:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 23:57:38 *** tokai has quit IRC