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00:33:00 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:40:33 <woobilicious> is there a guide on modding the GUI? wrangling this code is giving me a headache. 01:56:02 <_glx_> there's some doc on <https://docs.openttd.org/source/modules> 02:30:01 *** ufo-piloot has quit IRC 02:35:37 *** Smedles_ has joined #openttd 02:38:56 *** Smedles has quit IRC 03:02:38 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:06:01 *** debdog has quit IRC 04:02:50 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 05:03:25 *** ufo-piloot has joined #openttd 05:16:18 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 05:21:51 *** keikoz has quit IRC 08:29:51 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 08:57:20 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 09:20:26 *** ufo-piloot has quit IRC 09:28:54 * andythenorth playing a lot of Tropico 09:29:07 <andythenorth> Trying to zen it 09:30:35 <andythenorth> Rushing the missions incurs costs which the economy can’t sustain 09:32:03 <truebrain> lol, I am having a negative amount of online servers, accoriding to the metrics 😛 09:32:08 <truebrain> some bookkeeping is just a bit off 😄 09:33:20 <truebrain> ah, yes, I forgot some places to do proper math at .. lol 09:46:10 *** ufo-piloot has joined #openttd 09:49:04 <truebrain> fun fact: compared to BaNaNaS, multiplayer uses almost no bandwidth 😛 09:49:12 <truebrain> shocker, right? 09:58:24 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137323713516273684/image.png 09:58:24 <truebrain> on multiplayer (in constrats to the earlier BaNaNaS of a few days ago). Similar image, it shows. 09:58:51 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137323827194499162/image.png 09:58:51 <truebrain> Summary of the multiplayer stats of the last 18 hours 09:59:12 <truebrain> especially the IPv6 is a nice surprise .. 28% of the connection is IPv6 enabled 09:59:59 <truebrain> fetching the multiplayer list is ~30KiB .. which is a fraction of what the BaNaNaS listing is 10:01:56 <truebrain> the main "problem" with multiplayer, is that about 1/3rd of the connect requests are to servers that are currently not online (invalid-invite-code, from the coordinators perspective) 10:01:59 <truebrain> that is just funny 😛 10:03:49 <truebrain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137325079412363414/image.png 10:03:49 <truebrain> a picture that belongs to that remark 10:14:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain opened pull request #206: Fix: tracking of active servers was incorrect https://github.com/OpenTTD/game-coordinator/pull/206 10:16:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain merged pull request #206: Fix: tracking of active servers was incorrect https://github.com/OpenTTD/game-coordinator/pull/206 10:21:25 <truebrain> it is funny, since the migration there are no "out-of-method" errors anymore. This happens when no method was found to connect two people, which should never happen. But in the old infra, things weren't always as they should, and sometimes it did happen. But not anymore \o/ 10:28:14 <peter1138> So you fixed a bug without knowing the cause. 10:28:23 <truebrain> no, I know the cause 10:28:29 <truebrain> it was just something I couldn't fix in the old infra 🙂 10:30:05 <truebrain> the TURN service is pretty funny .. it uses ~10 KiB/s, but does ~20k packets per minute 😛 10:30:31 <truebrain> (or maybe better put, ~300 packets per second) 10:30:39 <truebrain> lot of tiny packets 😄 10:32:40 <truebrain> and after all this, still not sure why the coordinator uses ~150 MHz .. I guess the ~6 server update per second it has to process is just taking time 10:33:15 <peter1138> It'll be fine on andy's MBP. 10:33:17 <truebrain> (every server reports in every 30s with their latest information; but with 200 servers, this means 6 times per second a server reports in) 10:33:32 <truebrain> and the 150 MHz isn't an issue; it is just unexpected 10:33:35 <peter1138> Maybe 30s is too much? 10:33:54 <peter1138> "Oh no my server data is out of date, woeeeeeaaahh!" 10:34:14 <truebrain> well, even with 60s, it would be 75 MHz I guess, and that is still a lot 😛 10:34:24 <truebrain> it is just more work per update than I would expect; so I wonder if I did something silly 10:35:56 <truebrain> hmm, yeah, especially servers with NewGRF do a bit of redis talk 10:36:27 <peter1138> NewGRFs don't need to be updated every 30 seconds -- they should only change on new game. 10:36:41 <truebrain> that is very true 10:37:23 <truebrain> # This update is sent after the first, and is meant just as 10:37:23 <truebrain> # notification the NewGRFs are still in use. A server cannot change 10:37:23 <truebrain> # NewGRFs in a running game, so as long as this packet is sent, the 10:37:23 <truebrain> # server is not actually changing NewGRFs. 10:37:29 <truebrain> seems I agree'd with you when I wrote this 😛 10:38:03 <truebrain> still a bit of redis talk, to make sure the entries don't expire 10:38:17 <truebrain> (this is a way to auto-prune the list of active NewGRFs, to make sure the server-listing is as small as possible) 10:38:43 <truebrain> so this makes me wonder if I install hiredis .. where the redis protocol is implemented in C, and not in Python 10:39:28 <truebrain> I did not 10:40:54 <peter1138> 🙂 10:41:07 <peter1138> Checking on Strava to see which nutters went out in the rain this morning... 10:41:16 <truebrain> does it start with an L? 10:41:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain opened pull request #207: Fix: install hiredis to get better Redis performance https://github.com/OpenTTD/game-coordinator/pull/207 10:41:42 <peter1138> If he did it's too early for him to be back yet 🙂 10:42:14 <truebrain> owh, lunch time! 10:49:10 <LordAro> raining todat 10:49:11 <LordAro> y 10:49:16 <LordAro> out tomorrow 11:16:40 <peter1138> Correct 11:28:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/game-coordinator] TrueBrain merged pull request #207: Fix: install hiredis to get better Redis performance https://github.com/OpenTTD/game-coordinator/pull/207 11:29:04 <truebrain> let's see if that makes any difference 🙂 11:29:37 <peter1138> Are you parts-cannoning the infrastructure? 😄 11:29:46 <truebrain> am I what? 😄 11:30:12 <truebrain> I had to look that up 😛 11:30:14 <truebrain> and yes, I am 🙂 11:30:35 <truebrain> "educated guesses", is how I would word it 🙂 11:35:16 <truebrain> right, enough toying around with the coordinator for one day 🙂 11:36:37 <truebrain> seems that caused CPU to drop with ~30% 11:36:41 <truebrain> so I have that going for me 🙂 11:37:20 <peter1138> Nice 11:37:40 <truebrain> "even a broken clock is right twice a day" 😛 11:41:11 *** georgevb has joined #openttd 11:41:11 <georgevb> George-VBviaGitHub: Is it a hard to fix bug? 11:41:11 <georgevb> Should I look for workaround because it not likely to be fixed soon? 11:45:32 <peter1138> It's a "nobody has look at it yet and it was only posted 2 days ago" bug. 11:47:35 <georgevb> 🙂 11:47:35 <georgevb> Could you have a quick look? Not fix it, but just say "it seems to be easy to fix" or "not". 11:49:01 <peter1138> Sure, my PayPal address is... 11:56:18 <LordAro> that's a very hard question to answer 11:56:29 <LordAro> at all accurately, anyway 12:22:59 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 12:31:38 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 13:30:55 <andythenorth> Was there Alpine Climate? 13:31:28 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137377333209202719/IMG_6650.jpg 13:31:28 <andythenorth> Mostly swiss grfs 13:38:29 <belajalilija> andythenorth: dach set could fit too 13:39:35 <belajalilija> i think grfs from slovenia and any nation that borders switzerland would fit in an alpine vibe 13:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that almost sounds like slovenia is bordering switzerland :p 13:46:27 <belajalilija> Eddi|zuHause: i couldnt think of a better way to phrase it 13:47:49 <belajalilija> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137381445489410108/Slovenija_Rooms_Zimmer_Ana_in_Toni_Gomboc_Trlej_r.jpg 13:47:49 <belajalilija> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137381445938184254/bbl-apartment-house-1-604f668b652f9.jpg 13:47:49 <belajalilija> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137381446462480445/p1fc3f4pbodvfq6d4gf1gd35tk.jpg 13:47:49 <belajalilija> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137381446869319731/p17d0tgkgsldh1onh1a581spj1cps5_800x600.jpg 13:47:54 <belajalilija> slovenian houses to give me that alpine vibe though 13:50:14 <andythenorth> Why was Alpine Climate deprecated for general use? I forget 13:50:15 <andythenorth> Was there some licensing shenans? 13:50:15 <andythenorth> Or did it break industry grfs or something? 14:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> no such thing ever happened 14:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and yes, alpine is itself an industry set, which makes it incompatible with other industry sets 14:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the snow roofs only work with the original grf, not opengfx 14:06:01 <belajalilija> andy 14:06:12 <belajalilija> i cant remember but are you from the uk or north america? 14:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the real question is: how many people in here live more northern than andy :p 14:07:46 <belajalilija> well then i'd need to know where he lives 14:08:10 <belajalilija> if he doesnt mind my asking 14:25:12 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: Was definitely a coop era YOU MUST NOT USE mantra about it 14:25:49 <andythenorth> Possibly because the snow transition tiles might have copyright issues. 14:26:05 <andythenorth> Or maybe it’s not on bananas 14:27:49 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: Probably quite a lot, accurate latitude is not easy to understand on conventional european maps 😛 14:29:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: there are lots of reasons like this, but you're probably exaggerating... 14:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> (i mean about alpine, not about maps) 14:31:22 <andythenorth> The coop irc channel used to be very opinionated :p 14:32:11 <andythenorth> Probably only 10 regular people, so perhaps unrepresentative 😛 14:34:40 <talltyler> Alpine is green grass and snow? OpenGFX+ Landscape has that. 🙂 14:35:44 <michi_cc[d]> At least the original Alpine from mb is only compatible with the original graphics and doesn't look good at all with OpenGFX. 14:59:21 <truebrain> 15% of our servers are invite-only. I expected that number to be a lot higher, honestly 🙂 14:59:34 <truebrain> either it isn't really understood, or most people actually cares that much 😛 15:01:01 <truebrain> on the other hand, there are ~200 active servers, but there are ~500 registrations in the last 6 hours 15:01:11 <truebrain> lot of servers seems to exist for a short amount of time 😛 15:16:19 <alfagamma_0007> Makes sense 15:18:07 <peter1138> Urgh, updating some code that uses a library that changed a lot. 15:18:20 <peter1138> How do I load a .tga file for OpenGL...? 15:23:01 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137405406000451584/IMG_6675.jpg 15:23:01 <andythenorth> Did we add funiculars yet? 15:23:01 <andythenorth> Special vehicle movement needed for the passing place 15:25:13 <belajalilija> andythenorth: ive been thinking about it 15:25:32 <belajalilija> my town has one 15:25:43 <belajalilija> but special movement wouldnt be needed for mine 15:25:56 <belajalilija> it could probably be coded as a tram and timetabled 15:26:05 <belajalilija> since it is water powered, one goes up, the other goes down, etc 15:26:30 <alfagamma_0007> As a tramtype then 15:26:33 <alfagamma_0007> ? 15:26:46 <belajalilija> yeah 15:27:22 <andythenorth> It’s the first gameplay feature in ages where the answer isn’t just “GS” 😛 15:27:35 <alfagamma_0007> Uhm 15:27:39 <belajalilija> is rackrail a thing yet? 15:27:52 <alfagamma_0007> Bad idea 442: How about adding rail ferries? 15:27:53 <belajalilija> that could be a gameplay feature too 15:28:03 <belajalilija> alfagamma_0007: also something i want 15:28:10 <alfagamma_0007> Or truck ferries 15:28:12 <belajalilija> since before the bridges denmark used rail ferries 15:28:23 <alfagamma_0007> or any sort of decent actual ferries 15:31:02 <FLHerne> rail ferries would make the scale difference painfully obvious though 15:31:30 <FLHerne> even the very largest, clippiest NewGRF ships are only about 3 tiles long 15:31:48 <peter1138> Depots are only a tile long. 15:32:23 <FLHerne> yeah, so I use the overlapping-tiles-fake-depots grf 15:32:31 <FLHerne> also there's a patch for that ;-) 15:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> belajalilija: rack rails exist as grf 15:41:37 <belajalilija> Eddi|zuHause: do the functio? 15:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> if you code the vehicle set for it, yes 15:41:56 <belajalilija> in that trains gain a fuckton of traction from them? 15:41:58 <belajalilija> ohhh 15:42:10 <belajalilija> https://tenor.com/view/gta-big-smoke-oh-ohhhh-ohh-gif-23788192 15:42:33 <belajalilija> this makes me happy 15:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the thing is, it doesn't really make sense at openttd scale, because trains don't really have problems climbing slopes 15:43:06 <belajalilija> yeah but it would make sense for me 15:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and the higher TE doesn't compensate for the low speed 15:44:51 <belajalilija> i plan to do my own sbb set eventually, containing all of the vehicles from the current set, adding some of my own, adding narrow gauge and adding running sounds and cc, because it would be also to my own scale it would very much be its own thing and not a replacement of the original thing 15:45:37 <belajalilija> i often build so that i go up at most 1 tile per 5-7 tiles, even flatter with longer trains 15:45:47 <belajalilija> so rack rail would be fun 15:46:37 <talltyler> You might not even need special tramtype rails, just use a regular tram and only build it on a slope 15:46:48 <talltyler> Pittsburgh had some curved funiculars 15:47:11 <talltyler> Including one that hauled freight, which I guess was more like a cableway 15:47:44 <belajalilija> talltyler: that'd work for me, but not sure about andy's idea 15:53:37 <andythenorth> I don’t have a specific idea 😛 15:54:04 <belajalilija> fair 15:56:18 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137413780159074425/IMG_6679.jpg 15:56:18 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1137413780519792770/IMG_6678.jpg 15:56:18 <andythenorth> Bateau swiss? 15:56:45 <belajalilija> this all is just making me wanna go there myself 16:28:18 <alfagamma_0007> Me too 16:57:15 <andythenorth> There are funiculars and metre gauge trains everywhere 16:58:09 <andythenorth> Every small town is like, “yeah of course we’ve got a funicular, don’t even mention it” 16:58:59 <andythenorth> And all the bigger places just casually have a meter gauge mini-metro and a cog train 17:16:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] swxtz opened issue #445: [pt_BR] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/445 17:35:59 <peter1138> Well, I managed to get this code to compile, but it does not display anything 😦 17:47:31 <peter1138> Maybe OpenGL just isn't working in WSL2. 17:49:17 <truebrain> depends on what parts of OpenGL, I guess 😛 17:49:42 <peter1138> Very basic. Maybe too basic, it's all immediate mode... 17:50:02 <truebrain> sometimes OpenGL in OpenTTD works via WSL2 17:50:04 <truebrain> but sometimes it doesn't 17:50:10 <truebrain> haven't checked when it does and doesn't 😄 17:51:38 <truebrain> currently, it doesn't. When I was looking into the Wayland issues, it did 17:51:50 <truebrain> but wayland is also not working 😛 17:52:56 <peter1138> The fact that glfw is actually creating a window is suggesting that it is working, but... it's black, whatever I do. 17:53:07 <truebrain> annoying 😦 17:57:57 <truebrain> I think it picks up the wrong SDL library for me, which doesn't have wayland support .. but it should .. owh well .. it is weird 😛 18:07:12 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:07:59 <peter1138> Hmm, cannot find laptop power supply to try that. Although I'm sure I used to be able to build this to run on Windows, some how. 18:13:25 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 18:35:26 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:43:13 *** Flygon has quit IRC 19:08:50 *** chris24xd has joined #openttd 19:08:50 <chris24xd> | AIRDROP CS:GO 2 BETA 19:08:50 <chris24xd> | all 19:08:50 <chris24xd> | Failed to get CS:GO 2 BETA? 19:08:50 <chris24xd> | That's okay, VALVE has started an official CS:GO 2 BETA giveaway. 19:08:50 <chris24xd> | A total of 1,000,000 copies of CS:GO 2 BETA will be given away. 19:08:52 <chris24xd> | Click the link below: 19:08:52 <chris24xd> | https://cs2sources-invites.com/access 19:23:49 <truebrain> nope, WSL is refusing to load anything but the llvmpipe .. it should load the d3d ... no clue what I do to brake it 😛 19:27:30 <peter1138> Hmm, I could re-enable dual booting on my desktop, and try with real Linux. 19:30:58 <truebrain> `libva error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/d3d12_drv_video.so init failed` 19:31:05 <truebrain> okay, at least that is finally an error I can do something with 🙂 19:40:15 <truebrain> owh, more people mention that this happened after updating WSL to a more recent version .. guess that is related 20:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> why is it that when you need a pen once every 10 years, you can't find one? 20:22:53 <debdog> because they got bored and left to the pencil planet? 20:57:36 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:21:41 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:38:49 *** virtualrandomnumber has joined #openttd 21:38:58 *** virtualrandomnumber has quit IRC 22:46:22 *** keikoz has quit IRC 22:47:55 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 22:57:49 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd