Log for #openttdcoop on 21st April 2009:
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00:19:48  <Ammler> !tunnels 4 20
00:19:48  <PublicServer> Ammler: You need 3 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 4 and gap 20.
00:19:56  <Ammler> @tunnels 4 20
00:19:56  <Cooper> Ammler: 4
00:20:00  <Ammler> hehe
00:20:10  <Ammler> who is right?
00:22:31  <KenjiE20> `newtunnel 4
00:22:32  <Webster> 2 tunnels for 2 - 6 spaces, 3 tunnels for 7 - 12 spaces, 4 tunnels for 13 - 18 spaces
00:22:46  <KenjiE20> lol, that one thinks 5
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00:27:44  <KenjiE20> I think 5 is right, but I don't think `newtunnel 's spaces are right
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00:39:07  <Ammler> well, 4 is right
00:39:27  <Ammler> 20/6
00:43:43  <Ammler> @tunnels 4 20
00:43:43  <Cooper> Ammler: 4
00:43:43  <Ammler> !tunnels 4 20
00:43:43  <PublicServer> Ammler: You need 3 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 4 and gap 20.
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00:47:47  <Ammler> !tunnels 4 18
00:47:47  <PublicServer> Ammler: You need 3 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 4 and gap 18.
00:48:00  <Ammler> !tunnels 4 17
00:48:00  <PublicServer> Ammler: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 4 and gap 17.
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00:58:43  <KenjiE20> actually, I'm getting away with 3 with asiastars
01:00:48  <KenjiE20> is it just me or should train speed also be a variable?
01:03:12  <Ammler> no
01:03:14  <Ammler> why?
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01:09:36  <Ammler> what about that formula: $gap / ( $train + 2 ) + 1
01:14:51  <KenjiE20> okay, yea you're right speed isn't an issue
01:15:31  <KenjiE20> but TL4 gap20 is 3 under normal running, maybe 4 with a compresser
01:15:36  <KenjiE20> maybe
01:20:51  <Ammler> spped maks the gap between trains
01:21:23  <Ammler> so if you have very high speed, you could calc with $train+3
01:21:32  <Ammler> or maybe 4
01:22:00  <KenjiE20> would accel determine the gaps?
01:23:00  <KenjiE20> i.e. how quickly a train can get up to speed in the gap allowed for entry by the prios
01:23:54  <Patrick> I've been working on a bit of this
01:24:08  <Patrick> prios that make waiting trains stop need a good bit of acceleration
01:24:11  <Patrick> or a holding loop
01:24:57  <Patrick> depends on weight etc
01:24:58  <KenjiE20> prio by their nature should take that into account in construction
01:25:11  <Patrick> a laden 4-tile maglev needs about 25 tiles
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08:06:54  <mitooo> !playercount
08:06:54  <PublicServer> mitooo: Number of players: 0
08:08:16  <mitooo> !password
08:08:16  <PublicServer> mitooo: scurry
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10:45:53  <narc> Mornin', everyone.
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10:50:06  <planetmaker> moin narc :)
10:50:17  <narc> Oi, pm :)
10:51:58  <narc> Hrm, bunch of Swedish bt trackers closing. Can't say I blame them.
10:52:37  <planetmaker> he, yeah with the recent court rulings there...
10:52:55  <narc> Yeah, that was crazy.
10:54:07  <planetmaker> indeed. But well, the last word isn't spoken. Though, I doubt it will be fundamentally different.
10:55:08  <narc> Well, there's a bunch of political activity in response now, which is going to be interesting to follow.
10:55:29  <narc> And there, of course, the appeals.
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11:00:31  <Patrick> the whole thing is ridiculous
11:00:48  <Patrick> people argue passionately on the internet, how dare they take away my right to rip off shrek 3
11:01:14  <tneo_> oh and what has that to do with OpenttdCoop?
11:01:45  <narc> I'd say nothing other than something to get some discussion going.
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11:03:32  <narc> Patrick: 'Strue, but that wasn't really the point -- TPB is just a torrent database. What its users do with it isn't what the site owners (who were on trial) intended.
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11:03:45  <Patrick> oh come on
11:03:51  <Patrick> that's complete bullshit and you know it
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11:04:03  <Patrick> there are a smattering of legal torrents there almost as an excuse
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11:04:12  <Patrick> but without even the conscious effort to attract them
11:04:29  <narc> Legal torrents are something of a rarity in general, tbh.
11:04:32  <Patrick> youtube pays lipservice to copyright infringement by honouring provable individual takedowns
11:04:54  <Patrick> and that's an infinite amount more than TPB ever did to prove disinterest
11:05:08  <SmatZ> methinks about rapidshare... earning money from people downloading illegal content :-p
11:05:17  <Patrick> rapidshare also honour takedowns
11:05:24  <Patrick> which is why you use rar, obfuscated filenames
11:05:28  <Patrick> they can't do anything about it
11:05:54  <SmatZ> they earn money from it, why should they care
11:06:01  <Patrick> TPB's intent was clearly and manifestly to enable torrent pirated content
11:06:03  <SmatZ> and it's easy to say "we can't do anything with it"
11:06:11  <Patrick> I don't think it was right to jail them, don't get me wrong
11:06:17  <Patrick> it's going to inevitably happen
11:06:19  <Patrick> but its' not right
11:06:33  <Patrick> actually, TPB's search always returned hundreds of irrelevant results, I never used them
11:06:37  <Patrick> so good riddance
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11:06:44  <narc> Meh.
11:06:56  * SmatZ has probably never used TPB
11:07:02  <Patrick> once or twice
11:07:02  <SmatZ> neither any other torrent...
11:07:06  <Patrick> when mininova was down
11:07:16  <Patrick> I watch tv episodes I can't get in the UK.
11:07:18  <narc> Their search may be useless, but isohunt results with TPB in the trackers have pretty much always had good transfer speeds for me.
11:07:27  <Patrick> I'm not paying to see them 6 months later, I'm not buying them off itunes
11:07:31  <narc> Heh.
11:07:36  <Patrick> I have a tv, the big four probably buy them later
11:07:39  <Patrick> it ain't an excuse
11:07:54  <Patrick> narc: agreed
11:08:51  <narc> There is an advantage to TPB being so high-profile -- everyone throws their trackers in the mix.
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11:09:09  <narc> Which results in more peers than you'd get otherwise.
11:09:48  <Patrick> I use torrents to get my hands on patches (if my game's not on steam), install disks etc
11:09:59  <Patrick> it's a lot less of a hassle than hauling myself through fileplanet
11:10:04  <narc> Aye.
11:10:10  <Patrick> waiting between 45 seconds and 3 minutes to click "download"
11:10:22  <Patrick> for a 4 meg fucking file that's smaller than all the html ajax wank I've streamed
11:10:36  <narc> Hah, yes. So very true.
11:10:43  <Patrick> but my main usage of torrents is to keep up with about half a dozen tv shows
11:10:48  <Patrick> and any movies my mates have and I cba borrowing
11:10:54  <narc> Likewise here.
11:11:05  <narc> With a lot less emphasis on movies.
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11:11:08  <Patrick> I've paid for music and games recently
11:11:14  <Patrick> rebuying some old stuff even
11:11:24  <Patrick> it's secondhand off amazon, I paid 3 quid, there's no money going to the artist
11:11:34  <Patrick> but tackle the ethics of reselling independantly
11:11:39  <Patrick> I just like owning disks
11:11:47  <Patrick> that don't have my handwriting on them
11:11:51  <narc> I used to torrent games, nowadays I just purchase what I can find on Steam.
11:12:19  <narc> I've bought discs, but there's almost no reason to do that nowadays.
11:12:23  <Patrick> don't like steam
11:12:26  <Patrick> well
11:12:29  <Patrick> I have like 30 games there
11:12:33  <Patrick> but I prefer boxed copies
11:12:36  <Patrick> old games, new games
11:12:39  <Patrick> indie games sure
11:12:43  <narc> My last purchase was RA3 collector's edition, and I can say that was worth it.
11:12:58  <narc> But otherwise, the boxes and the discs are just more stuff that I can lose easily.
11:13:04  <Patrick> if it's more than a few years old, the sold out disk will have all the patches on it
11:13:10  <narc> I'm not going to lose install rights on Steam, though.
11:13:17  <Patrick> yeah, I did lose my disk of appetite for destruction
11:13:20  <Patrick> but I have the rip
11:13:49  <narc> I lost the manual with the ser/no's to this big C&C pack I have.
11:13:58  <Patrick> indie games I've bought on steam: braid, gish, i-fluid, tweotw
11:14:12  <Patrick> also I have the valve catalogue
11:14:23  <Patrick> tempted to burn my cache files to disk and print box labels
11:14:27  <Patrick> I just like having a shelf of games
11:14:34  <narc> Gish was somewhat of a disappointment to me.
11:14:43  <narc> I somehow expected more.
11:14:59  <narc> Though I admit it's a decent game.
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11:16:17  <narc> I'd buy TTD from Steam just to have the peace of mind of having paid for it.
11:18:15  <narc> And that's a full circle now.
11:18:28  <Patrick> hah, I forgot this was a ttd channel for a second
11:18:32  <Patrick> narc: I actually rebought it
11:18:38  <Patrick> dropped the  on the mcmillen back collection
11:18:55  <Patrick> solely on the strength that I'd also played meatboy for free, and his trailer had an awesome song in it
11:19:04  <Patrick> and to support him
11:19:16  <narc> Heh.
11:19:23  <Patrick> oh, I bought birdge builder (what a waste of money) from chronic logic directly
11:19:34  <Patrick> and both of the penny arcade games off greenhouse
11:19:40  <narc> Huh.
11:20:00  <narc> So far, I've only directly bought TS2009 from Auran.
11:20:32  <Patrick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O19OmpJRPWE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edmundm.com%2F&feature=player_embedded
11:20:38  <Patrick> go watch
11:20:39  <Patrick> love that song
11:21:50  <ODM> eyey
11:22:12  <narc> Heh, cute song, indeed.
11:22:22  <narc> Oi, ODM
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11:42:05  <Booth> !password
11:42:05  <PublicServer> Booth: plumps
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12:38:25  * Booth 's cat barks at DASPRiD
12:38:41  <DASPRiD> Booth, you've got a cat? :x
12:38:46  <Booth> no
12:38:53  <Booth> i have 3 fish
12:38:59  <Booth> and 2 tourtoises
12:39:17  <Booth> and a dog how purrs
12:42:13  <ODM> tourtoises bite:O
12:42:44  <DASPRiD> Booth, hot dog i assume?
12:43:24  <Booth> no a realy dog
12:43:35  <Booth> its a japanease spitz
12:43:40  <Booth> white fluffy thing
12:46:26  <ODM> like a poodle:O
12:46:35  <Booth> yeah kinda
12:47:04  <Booth> like a fluffy pug and not as ugly
12:47:19  <ODM> heh
12:47:47  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but he is a giant wimp
12:51:19  <Mark> hello
12:51:48  <ODM> ey mark
12:51:56  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi mark
12:58:33  <Xaroth> o/
12:59:40  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> any one want to plat
12:59:43  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> play
13:00:20  <Xaroth> aka, you need somebody to unpause the server? or actively play
13:00:33  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> no unpause
13:00:37  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> thats not coop
13:00:44  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> actively play yes
13:01:57  <Ammler> Xaroth: that is, why he asked, if someone wants to play :-)
13:02:06  <Xaroth> heh
13:02:29  <Xaroth> I'm at work, so can't play much :/
13:02:48  <Ammler> well, just 5mins ;-)
13:03:04  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> 5 mins always turns into 20
13:03:10  <Ammler> psst
13:03:14  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> then 20 can turn into an hour
13:06:29  <Xaroth> any of you lot windows users btw?
13:06:38  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i am
13:06:50  <ODM> same
13:06:53  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i use Vista and a Virutal version of XP
13:07:06  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> run through VM Ware
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13:07:45  <Booth> why do you ask?
13:10:45  <Xaroth> I'm trying to find test people for AutoTTD
13:11:06  <Xaroth> I might have access to 3 pcs, I'm also just one person, so testing an app by myself is quite, useless
13:11:46  <Booth> aaah
13:11:52  <Booth> i have access to 2 PC's
13:12:13  <Booth> all running different version of windows
13:12:13  <Booth> on one i run vista 32 bit
13:12:27  <Booth> with windows xp pro through VMware
13:12:35  <Booth> and the other i run vista 64 bit
13:12:49  <Xaroth> that'd be more than awesome :o
13:12:49  <Booth> so i can always do some testing for you
13:13:04  <Booth> i also have 64 bit XP arround
13:13:12  <Booth> which i could run in VM ware for you
13:13:29  <Xaroth> I have xp64 at home
13:13:32  <Xaroth> so i got that one covered
13:13:59  <ODM> autottd?
13:14:07  <Xaroth> yar
13:14:13  <Xaroth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43252
13:14:44  <ODM> hm
13:14:54  <Xaroth> like ottd au, only different
13:14:54  <Booth> if you email me what you want me to test
13:14:59  <Booth> and how
13:15:01  <ODM> hows that different?:D
13:15:08  <Booth> to chris_peter_booth@hotmail.co.uk
13:15:17  <Xaroth> ottd au works only on certain servers, mine should work on most
13:15:19  <Booth> then i will test it for you
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13:15:49  <Xaroth> plus i'm adding stuff for favourite servers, and 'remote' favourite lists
13:16:03  <Xaroth> so OttdC can release a favourite lists with a link to where you can get the grfs
13:16:06  <Xaroth> aka, the ottdc site
13:17:32  <Xaroth> AutoTTD also talks to servers directly, so it knows which GRFs a server is using, which GRFs the client has and which GRFs are on the content server
13:18:03  * ODM starts killing companies for their naming schemes
13:18:25  <Xaroth> killing companies for naming schemes?
13:19:02  <ODM> yeah
13:19:34  <ODM> looking at a new screen... so much choices, and all the naming that makes no sense at all
13:19:58  <Xaroth> heh
13:21:34  <ODM> "lets randomly add 4 numbers and 2 or 3 letters"
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14:01:02  <DASPRiD> narc, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMErNsEoZw
14:01:05  <DASPRiD> now thats a nice setup
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15:01:42  <mitooo> !playercount
15:01:42  <PublicServer> mitooo: Number of players: 0
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15:21:23  <ODM> !password
15:21:23  <PublicServer> ODM: deltas
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15:24:40  <ODM> can people still play?
15:25:18  <Thraxian|Work> I think I can here, but not at home - too laggy there
15:25:27  <Thraxian|Work> but I'm leaving here in about 30 minutes (or less)
15:25:57  <ODM> hmm
15:26:02  <planetmaker> hardly for me, ODM
15:26:06  <ODM> guess we cant continue this for long
15:26:14  <ODM> time to find some new scenarios
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15:28:08  <ODM> maybe 2CC set?:)
15:28:19  <Thraxian|Work> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Premade_Scenarios
15:28:53  <Thraxian|Work> perhaps we should run one of the 3 listed on that page, since that's what they're there for
15:29:20  <ODM> true
15:29:26  <ODM> although the top is just an example ai?
15:30:14  <Thraxian|Work> probably - that should be moved to another page, because it looks too much like an actual entry
15:30:32  <Thraxian|Work> maybe even using a template, with a link to the template at the top of the page would be good
15:31:01  <planetmaker> Thraxian|Work, it can be removed completely. It was meant as an example to get the page started. Or move it to the bottem.
15:31:15  <ODM> so how about the bottom scenario?
15:31:18  <ODM> as we just done apax game
15:32:03  <planetmaker> Well, I wouldn't mind to use that. It's a weired map - but heck, why not?
15:32:23  <Thraxian|Work> there are also some here: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Game_Proposals
15:32:37  <Thraxian|Work> well - one anyways
15:32:41  <Thraxian|Work> we may have already run #2
15:32:56  <ODM> isnt that game type ideas?
15:33:09  <Thraxian|Work> yes, but someone linked to a scenario for #1
15:33:14  <ODM> ahyeah:)
15:33:21  <Thraxian|Work> well - #1 is pax, so nvm
15:33:31  <ODM> ill make some new scenarios somewhere soon^^
15:33:38  <planetmaker> he... #1 is by me :)
15:33:52  <Thraxian|Work> should #1 be moved to premade?
15:33:59  <Thraxian|Work> since the map already exists
15:34:07  <planetmaker> I started it in SP - a lovely map. But needs newgrf tuning.
15:34:12  <Thraxian|Work> kk
15:34:16  <planetmaker> so... not entirely done :)
15:37:46  <ODM> so, throw a new one up tonight?
15:38:26  <ZarenorDarkstalker> Sounds fun.. I might actually be around for this one
15:39:11  <ODM> the game start isnt that exciting:p
15:39:26  <ZarenorDarkstalker> I know.. i was around for 136
15:39:39  <Combuster> http://dimensionalrift.homelinux.net/combuster/dover_prep.sav <- cargo scenario, ready since last month
15:39:44  <Combuster> and hi
15:39:49  <ZarenorDarkstalker> completely missed 137
15:39:53  <ODM> heya Combuster
15:39:58  <ZarenorDarkstalker> hey combuster
15:40:18  <ODM> how goes?
15:40:20  <Combuster> have had a lot on my mind the last weeks
15:40:32  <ODM> hmm annoying
15:40:42  <ZarenorDarkstalker> i can relate.. joined coop and got busy
15:40:49  <ODM> heh, that doesnt count:p
15:41:05  <Combuster> I missed out on three games
15:41:19  <ODM> uni stuff?
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15:41:26  <Combuster> amongst others
15:41:31  <ODM> sounds familiar
15:41:39  <Combuster> been poking a bit of other stuff as well
15:41:48  <Combuster> wrote a game from scratch
15:41:54  <Combuster> been working on a second one
15:42:13  <ODM> just testing or really fancy stuff?
15:42:15  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ooo, nice
15:42:21  <Combuster> and another project that's taken the past six years and isn't going to finish in my lifetime
15:42:29  <ODM> heh, thats optimistic
15:42:51  * Combuster pets his 1100 source files
15:43:12  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haha, 1100?
15:43:15  <ODM> youmightvve overkilled it
15:43:31  <Combuster> it still does pretty little
15:43:41  <Combuster> but then the scope of that one is rather large
15:43:56  <Combuster> (and I can use it as show-off during network classes)
15:44:17  <ODM> whats it do?
15:44:41  <Combuster> http://dimensionalrift.homelinux.net/combuster/mos3/
15:45:47  <ODM> ooh, youve been busy:P
15:46:09  <Combuster> like I said, 6 years
15:47:22  <ZarenorDarkstalker> oi, that looks like quite the piece of work.. good luck :P
15:47:29  <Combuster> hehe
15:47:42  <Combuster> Of all the projects that were lying around
15:47:49  <ODM> he'll need it^^
15:47:56  <ODM> i just passed 3d modelling, so im happy
15:48:05  <Combuster> I was still the first to get hardware accellerated graphics out of raw hardware
15:48:29  <ZarenorDarkstalker> Really?
15:48:32  <ZarenorDarkstalker> That's impressive
15:48:34  <Combuster> http://wiki.osdev.org/Projects <- compare if you like
15:50:20  <ZarenorDarkstalker> seems cool...
15:50:54  <ZarenorDarkstalker> I'd look at the code, but my dad never got around to teaching me C... and never had anything to do with the kernel side of things to my knowledge
15:51:20  <ODM> your dad teaches you stuff?
15:51:23  <Combuster> The C parts are also the most boring parts...
15:51:46  <ZarenorDarkstalker> he heas, yeah, he's an ex-software engineer, and i'm only almost 16
15:51:49  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *has
15:52:27  <ODM> thats kinda neat
15:52:30  <Combuster> ...hmm, I should rewrite the caching script to load this a bit faster...
15:52:36  <ZarenorDarkstalker> and how complex is then jump from x86 to x86-64?
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15:52:50  <Combuster> not much
15:52:56  <ZarenorDarkstalker> yeah, he made me learn a litt;le basic ands HTML, i had fun with it, but I'm too lazy to use it most of the time
15:52:59  <Combuster> other than it will break my graphics driver
15:53:03  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ahhh
15:53:18  <ZarenorDarkstalker> and the graphics driver works for all chipsets?
15:53:44  <Combuster> http://dimensionalrift.homelinux.net/combuster/mos3/?p=viewsource&file=/kernel/ia_pc/stage3.asm <- majority of kernel
15:53:45  <ZarenorDarkstalker> (excuse me if i get to question-y, just tell me to shut up :P)
15:54:13  <Combuster> I have, as of yet, (semi-)working code for 4 kinds of devices
15:54:30  <Combuster> one of them works on all common graphics hardware
15:54:36  <Combuster> (VGA and compatibles)
15:54:51  <ODM> hmm dude, youre going quite deep^^
15:54:58  <ODM> further than ive ever been
15:55:13  <Combuster> probably, yes :)
15:55:39  <Combuster> and apparently I totally killed the previous subject :D
15:55:42  <ODM> but im just a noobie^^
15:55:51  <Combuster> right
15:55:53  <ODM> thats kinda IRC
15:56:01  <Combuster> who was teaching system architecture again?
15:56:08  <Combuster> ;)
15:56:08  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haah.. yeah, i'm a total noob, but i can almost follow a bit of it
15:56:10  <ODM> piet?
15:56:16  <Combuster> not you?
15:56:25  <ODM> no?:P
15:56:29  <ODM> im not a TA
15:56:42  <Combuster> oh wait, the other guy was -_-
15:56:44  <Combuster> d'oh
15:56:46  <ODM> yeah:)
15:57:02  <ODM> do you know how far PC corrections are?
15:57:12  <Combuster> exam: no idea
15:57:12  <Xaroth> Combuster: <3 megadrive
15:57:29  <ODM> practical i meant, exam will be wishnu i guess
15:57:48  <ODM> hmm, i should check if i can revive my nes and play some mario:D
15:58:16  <ZarenorDarkstalker> lol
15:58:26  <Combuster> All the grades for the second practical have been sent ages ago
15:58:34  <Combuster> I haven't seen anything of the retake
15:58:42  <ODM> Third* practical:O
15:58:54  <Combuster> That's wishnu'
15:58:59  <ODM> okey:) ty
16:02:20  <ODM> lol: KPN forbids prepaid Surf & Mail customers to mail...
16:04:45  <Combuster> I know KPN has blocked the SMTP ports
16:05:28  <ZarenorDarkstalker> KPN?
16:05:41  <Combuster> dutch thing
16:05:46  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ahhhh
16:06:17  <ODM> its for cell phones
16:06:30  <ODM> the product i called "Surf & Mail"
16:06:52  <ODM> the irony is deadly:p
16:07:13  <ZarenorDarkstalker> taht does seem highly ironic
16:07:23  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *that
16:11:03  <ODM> almost:p
16:11:38  <ZarenorDarkstalker> lol
16:11:50  <ZarenorDarkstalker> !password
16:11:50  <PublicServer> ZarenorDarkstalker: fickle
16:12:09  <ZarenorDarkstalker> might as well havde a look before it's gone :P
16:12:28  <ODM> itll be on the archive:P
16:12:32  <ODM> if someone else does it:D
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16:12:51  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haha, yeah, but i'd rather look at it now wile i'm thinkging about it :P
16:14:15  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> wow.. thats a beast
16:14:39  <ODM> lol
16:15:32  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> lol, TL64?
16:15:43  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> wow.. that'd be a map to play, full beast trains..
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16:16:07  <ODM> we really need a long tl game sometime:P
16:16:14  <ODM> but corners and stations become a problem
16:16:28  <ZarenorDarkstalker> yeah, but it's fun that way
16:16:46  <ZarenorDarkstalker> should do
16:16:47  <ZarenorDarkstalker> hmmm
16:16:55  <ZarenorDarkstalker> flatland scenario
16:17:00  <ZarenorDarkstalker> on a large map
16:17:15  <ZarenorDarkstalker> but all plans TL7<
16:17:24  <ZarenorDarkstalker> or maybe 9<
16:17:34  <ZarenorDarkstalker> see what plans come up
16:25:29  <planetmaker> he... I wanted to propose more for the ICE. But ICE3 can only be 8 tiles long.
16:25:41  <planetmaker> We need 2cc set for longer ICE / TGV trains :)
16:25:42  <ODM> should be 16!
16:25:44  <ZarenorDarkstalker> hmmm
16:26:05  <ZarenorDarkstalker> 16?
16:26:09  <ZarenorDarkstalker> 16 would be insane
16:26:20  <ZarenorDarkstalker> sounds fun :D
16:26:43  <ZarenorDarkstalker> we'd have to be much more ccareful of the loading of stations
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16:27:32  <ZarenorDarkstalker> becaus eit seems t me that the way we build stations now, they're built so the only way you could break one thatt's done properly is having more than a hundred extra trains
16:27:49  <ZarenorDarkstalker> and sorry for the typos, my typing is fail recently
16:28:33  <ODM> nice:P
16:29:05  <ZarenorDarkstalker> but with 16TL
16:29:19  <ZarenorDarkstalker> you'd need a pre and post loadbalancer
16:30:07  <ZarenorDarkstalker> and as few tiles after the split as possible.. hmmm
16:30:44  <ZarenorDarkstalker> (anyone else hear something that sounds like gears grinding?)
16:31:28  <Razaekel> no
16:32:46  <ZarenorDarkstalker> lol, must be my head
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16:50:00  <ZarenorDarkstalker> sorry..
16:50:12  <ZarenorDarkstalker> note to self: computer as snare drum = bad
16:55:00  <ODM> lol?
16:59:30  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haha
16:59:31  <ZarenorDarkstalker> yeah
16:59:47  <ZarenorDarkstalker> it loosened my power cable enpough to blink the computer off
17:00:05  <ODM> lol
17:00:25  <KenjiE20> haha
17:02:03  <ZarenorDarkstalker> sup kenji?
17:02:07  <ZarenorDarkstalker> and gratz on member
17:02:31  <KenjiE20> sup, and ty
17:03:03  <ZarenorDarkstalker> no alot.. be less busay soon, yay for summer vacay
17:03:06  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *not
17:03:11  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *busy
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17:11:14  <Sapakara> goodevening
17:11:46  * KenjiE20 rediscovers this in youtube favorites http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4
17:11:50  <KenjiE20> guys a legend
17:13:11  <ZarenorDarkstalker> evening
17:14:13  <ODM> wow thats quite good
17:14:19  <ZarenorDarkstalker> wow
17:14:35  <KenjiE20> oh and don't forget the harpguitar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27megLOleQ
17:14:39  <KenjiE20> yes, harpguitar
17:14:55  <KenjiE20> aw, the vid's marked private
17:15:05  * KenjiE20 finds another version
17:15:29  <KenjiE20> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvar4ZsqsEo
17:15:50  <ZarenorDarkstalker> wishi was anywhere near good enpough at any instrument i prentend to know how to play to post on youtube, but this giuy is pretty great
17:16:42  <ZarenorDarkstalker> wow, that harpitar is insane
17:16:59  <KenjiE20> and he plays with such ease >_>
17:17:08  <ZarenorDarkstalker> I know...
17:19:42  <ODM> i can play guitar!
17:19:43  <ODM> hero
17:20:04  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haha, exactly
17:20:16  <ODM> nah i lief
17:20:18  <ODM> lied
17:20:18  <KenjiE20> on the other end of the scale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5V_9s0Gfw <-- win
17:20:18  <Xaroth> I have a guitar, but can't play it for shit :P
17:20:20  <ODM> i cant even do that
17:21:59  <ODM> wow
17:22:01  <ODM> epic
17:23:23  <ZarenorDarkstalker> wow!
17:25:36  <Xaroth> they did that tesla thing with a lot of game songs
17:25:38  <Xaroth> funny as hell
17:25:54  <KenjiE20> yeah, I just found -- >Tesla Coils Play Popcorn at Penguicon 2008
17:25:59  <KenjiE20> loltastic
17:26:35  <KenjiE20> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZEpP_zzaw
17:26:42  <KenjiE20> okay, 1:20 is amazing
17:27:52  <Xaroth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crfrKqFp0Zg&feature=related << he's got nice skills.. for a flute player o_O
17:28:48  <KenjiE20> lol
17:29:09  <ODM> is that from kirby or what?
17:29:24  <KenjiE20> okay, epic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEG-1iYpgKU
17:29:40  <ODM> ahno
17:29:43  <ODM> butit sounds kirbyish
17:30:06  <Xaroth> and as old this might be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YIbEQLgHwA .. still wins
17:30:18  <KenjiE20> I've got the original popcorn track somewhere
17:30:33  <ODM> its youtube linkday?:D
17:30:48  <narc> Seems that way :)
17:30:49  * KenjiE20 np: Hot Butter - Popcorn :: 
17:30:53  <KenjiE20> ^ :P
17:32:20  <KenjiE20> I love crazy people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dcmDscwEcI
17:32:37  <Xaroth> hah
17:33:27  <ODM> omg you love yourself:O
17:33:56  <KenjiE20> probably :D
17:34:59  <ODM> thats actually quite neately done
17:37:27  <narc> Related to that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dv13HOn4xY
17:38:04  <ODM> hehe yeah
17:38:09  <ODM> and the football
17:38:11  <KenjiE20> heh already on the favourites :P
17:42:26  <narc> And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__PWe4-CGTU
17:44:17  <ODM> ah thats a good one
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17:47:04  <sbn> Hija
17:47:09  <ODM> heya
17:47:15  <narc> Hej, sbn
17:47:22  <sbn> sup
17:47:34  <KenjiE20> lol @ pause
17:47:57  <narc> Indeed :)
17:48:01  <ODM> yeah
17:48:05  <narc> We're having Youtube link-day
17:48:26  <Xaroth> yep
17:48:47  <sbn> aha
17:49:00  <sbn> let me show you something
17:49:34  <ODM> please keep your clothes on:O
17:49:38  <sbn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
17:50:01  <narc> Hah.
17:50:05  <narc> I can has that.
17:50:13  <narc> The whole album.
17:50:22  <ODM> thats...odd
17:51:17  <sbn> idd
17:51:18  <sbn> but good
17:51:34  <hylje> accidentally
17:52:28  <narc> Oh, now that's a good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-TCU-uUt64
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17:57:05  <sbn> ok
17:57:07  <sbn> next
18:00:48  <sbn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVqEwpxAYLI&feature=related
18:01:52  <KenjiE20> rofl
18:02:32  <ODM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc9bA-hvqHU
18:04:43  <planetmaker> hey guy, make an OpenTTD movie ;)
18:04:46  <planetmaker> *guys.
18:04:51  <Xaroth> movie?
18:04:51  <planetmaker> that'd be productive :P
18:05:14  <hylje> openttd the animated series
18:05:26  <planetmaker> Xaroth: why not. Using the time lapse patch, you can easily create sequences of screenshots
18:05:53  <planetmaker> hylje: you volunteer as the male main role? :D
18:06:00  <Xaroth> if only dedicated servers can make screenshots :P
18:06:21  <planetmaker> or even - like in greek theater - for the female part? ;)
18:06:35  <hylje> if someone does the animation
18:07:13  <hylje> just to make someone (you pervert) want it done i'll do it
18:07:27  <KenjiE20> <@planetmaker> that'd be productive :P <-- you're forgetting this is the internet :D
18:08:06  <KenjiE20> and it's feeding time, bbiab
18:08:18  <ODM> screw productive:D
18:11:11  <sbn> produ whut?
18:14:22  <sbn> urgh
18:14:28  <sbn> don't you guys ever do something interesting?
18:14:37  <ODM> no?
18:14:41  <sbn> great
18:14:44  <narc> Why would we?
18:14:47  <ODM> i guess irc doesnt count
18:15:01  <ODM> just watched some deadliest catch
18:15:11  <sbn> oo amazing
18:15:19  <sbn> like he catched a train
18:16:05  <ODM> no the discovery show:p
18:17:40  <sbn> ow
18:17:41  <sbn> ok
18:17:50  <sbn> seems very interesting
18:18:03  <sbn> ok time to play a game
18:18:05  <sbn> bye
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18:49:54  <Zulan> !password
18:49:54  <PublicServer> Zulan: redeem
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18:55:26  <ODM> woo
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19:29:51  <Combuster> !download win32
19:29:51  <PublicServer> Combuster: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16055/openttd-trunk-r16055-windows-win32.zip
19:31:08  <Combuster> !password
19:31:08  <PublicServer> Combuster: glibly
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19:31:58  <Seppel> !playercount
19:31:58  <PublicServer> Seppel: Number of players: 1
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19:33:15  <PublicServer> <combuster> ...? unpaused with one client
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19:33:41  <PublicServer> <Kenji> nope two :P
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19:34:07  <PublicServer> <combuster> you sure took your time to join then...
19:34:12  <PublicServer> <Kenji> yep
19:34:23  <PublicServer> <Kenji> almost didnt get in
19:35:02  <PublicServer> <combuster> I see lots of unconnected towns<
19:36:43  <Seppel> !password
19:36:44  <PublicServer> Seppel: glibly
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19:37:20  <PublicServer> <Sepp> hi
19:37:23  <PublicServer> <Kenji> o/
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19:58:58  <AbsintheChris> !password
19:58:59  <PublicServer> AbsintheChris: ridges
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19:59:56  <PublicServer> <Kenji> o/
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20:00:34  <Combuster> !password
20:00:34  <PublicServer> Combuster: ridges
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20:10:04  <PublicServer> <Kenji> who broke Sonnley North?
20:10:56  <PublicServer> <combuster> I didn't change that station...
20:11:09  <PublicServer> <Kenji> well train 1 and co have a void order
20:11:27  <PublicServer> <combuster> hmm weird
20:11:40  <PublicServer> <Kenji> I assume that was S north
20:12:34  <PublicServer> <combuster> orders fixed
20:14:12  <PublicServer> <Kenji> bah
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20:21:45  <ZarenorDarkstalker> !players
20:21:47  <PublicServer> ZarenorDarkstalker: Client 337 (Orange) is Kenji, in company 1 (OTTDC)
20:21:47  <PublicServer> ZarenorDarkstalker: Client 339 (Orange) is Sepp, in company 1 (OTTDC)
20:21:47  <PublicServer> ZarenorDarkstalker: Client 341 (Orange) is AbsintheChris, in company 1 (OTTDC)
20:21:58  <ZarenorDarkstalker> !password
20:21:58  <PublicServer> ZarenorDarkstalker: uplift
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20:23:39  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> where needs work?
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20:35:00  <KenjiE20> net death >_>
20:35:51  <ZarenorDarkstalker> net death?
20:36:06  <KenjiE20> every net app I had just hung itself
20:36:16  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haha, mass suicide
20:36:34  <KenjiE20> I blame a 2yr old XP install
20:36:38  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ahhh
20:36:45  <ZarenorDarkstalker> needs some cleaning then, mm?
20:36:54  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ohm questiohn
20:36:59  <KenjiE20> needs formatting, but it's so heavily buried with files everywhere now
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20:37:03  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *oh, question
20:37:24  <ZarenorDarkstalker> do you know of a way to make the autoupdater download the 64-bit versions?
20:37:31  <KenjiE20> gonna wait for SLK13 and W7RC1 then I might go all out and kill all three partitions
20:37:45  <ZarenorDarkstalker> SLK13?
20:37:51  <KenjiE20> Slackware 13
20:37:59  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ah
20:38:14  <ZarenorDarkstalker> and you could get a w7 buiuld pretty easily now
20:38:17  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *build
20:38:24  <KenjiE20> already have beta
20:38:47  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ahhh.. msdn subscription, or torrented it?
20:38:54  <KenjiE20> msdn
20:39:06  <KenjiE20> real key and everything
20:39:09  <ZarenorDarkstalker> nice.. we used to have one, got vista RCs legally...
20:39:44  <ZarenorDarkstalker> but my dad doesn't work there anymore, and they've changed the password, so no real w7 for us until it gets released
20:39:48  <ZarenorDarkstalker> but 64-bit vista is nice
20:40:03  <KenjiE20> w7 is much much better
20:40:19  <ZarenorDarkstalker> really? like how?
20:40:38  <KenjiE20> loads of little things mainly, there's no one big awesome thing
20:40:44  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> and are we jst connecting every city?
20:40:55  <KenjiE20> just the overall feel is much smoother
20:41:00  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ahh..
20:41:15  <KenjiE20> every city -> Sbahn -> ICE -> 4 region cities
20:41:58  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> i do remember the random crashes in vista batas and RCs.. and the early post-release
20:42:07  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> but thats cool.. any major bugs yet?
20:42:23  <KenjiE20> couple for me, but nothing that brings it grinding to a halt
20:42:52  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> and do i need to develop them at all before creating a station, or is how i route a city completrely discretionary as long as the pax end up at an ICE station?
20:43:05  <KenjiE20> one cured itself, probably from an update, the other probably will be by RC
20:43:38  <KenjiE20> pretty much discretion, so long as map/plan rules are followed
20:43:58  <KenjiE20> possibly region ones too, if they've been made
20:44:14  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> so like i said.. just however i want as long as it gets to ICE, i sign my name, and minimal TF? :P
20:44:18  <KenjiE20> yep
20:44:19  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> i haven't seen any.. jusrt te no TF in parks
20:44:30  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> sounds fun..
20:45:07  <KenjiE20> there should already be an sbahn system to hook into, it's just figuring out how
20:45:16  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> right, i see it..
20:45:31  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> the numerous SLs
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20:47:21  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> and i see they fixed the not-really-pausing issue
20:47:31  <PublicServer> <Kenji> sort of
20:47:40  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> sort of?
20:48:01  <PublicServer> <Kenji> the game unpauses and thinks you're in while your on the company screen before you even get to the password
20:48:12  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ah
20:49:01  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> so it does really pause now.. just not when it needs o be
20:49:30  <PublicServer> <Kenji> yea, but at least it's pausing during a catch up join, which helps
20:51:11  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> oi, this might be difficult with TL8... lol
20:52:36  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ah, and the sbhan is one-way?
20:52:45  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> *sbahn
20:52:56  <PublicServer> <Kenji> depens which region
20:53:01  <PublicServer> <Kenji> depends*
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20:53:10  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> but it's however it's set up?
20:53:19  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Hi. Been trying to understand the self-regulating concept, and just one thing I can't follow
20:53:28  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I'm looking at region 4, which seems to be one-way, and pretty clogged
20:53:51  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> WHy the 2-way Entry signal and 1-way Exit signal at the entrance to the stations?
20:54:44  <PublicServer> <Kenji> so while one train queue's the rest carry on past
20:55:11  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> I guessed that, but any reason for it being a two-way signal?
20:55:41  <PublicServer> <Kenji> preference when it goes green
20:57:42  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Hmm, not following that...
20:59:14  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Never mind, I'm gonna try and recreate it in a local game, get a better understanding
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21:00:43  <ZarenorDarkstalker> this sbhan desn't aooear to be self regulatiing, at least not in region 4
21:00:51  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *sbhan...
21:00:54  <ZarenorDarkstalker> *appear
21:01:26  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> i mean, it is a loop, but the trains have actual orders
21:01:33  <PublicServer> <Kenji> there's only one SRNW iirc, its the maglev
21:01:53  <PublicServer> <Kenji> and I'm still trying to find that link for signalling
21:03:19  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Well for now I'll accept its important, I'll look into the details later
21:03:47  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> So if I were to be daring and build a new station, can one of you check it out before I make it live?
21:04:05  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> this map isn't actually using SRS
21:04:24  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> so don't worry too much, just build a RoRo and connect it..
21:04:39  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> keeping in mind it's a one-way loop insetead of LR
21:04:50  <PublicServer> <Kenji> northern region does
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21:05:09  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ahh, well then avoid region one?
21:05:15  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Yeah. Was looking at Charnpool. Someones used station-walk, but I figure its a good place to try out
21:05:32  <PublicServer> <Kenji> pfft station walk
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21:05:39  <PublicServer> <Kenji> ctrl click all the way :)
21:05:53  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ctrl+click FTW
21:06:46  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Ok, may have my terminology wrong. When you drop one-tile platforms in the middle of towns?
21:07:13  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> dpeends on how he persone built it originally..
21:07:28  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> they may have done either and cleared the extraneous stations
21:08:00  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ah, i see what you mean kenji
21:08:35  <KenjiE20> try reading from http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd/2009/04/19#11:20
21:08:51  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I'm going to just avoid region 1 for now:P
21:08:57  <KenjiE20> turns out there wasn't a link, it was a convo I heard
21:09:57  <PublicServer> <Kenji> and AbsintheChris it used to be station walking but now we have distant joining
21:10:22  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Righto, still very much in the learning stage for this lingo :)
21:11:05  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I'm in the learning stage for most of it too, so don't always believe me :P
21:12:03  <KenjiE20> `jargon StationWalking "The act of creating a station in two spots by adding and removing connecting sections"
21:12:03  <Webster> KenjiE20: Error: You don't have the alias.add capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:12:08  <KenjiE20> arg
21:12:26  <KenjiE20> `jargon StationWalking "The act of creating a station in two spots by adding and removing connecting sections"
21:12:26  <Webster> KenjiE20: The operation succeeded.
21:12:46  <hylje> we can stationwalk without the two or more bits ever touching each other
21:12:52  <KenjiE20> I know
21:12:57  <KenjiE20> I'm about to add distant join
21:13:36  <KenjiE20> `jargon DistantJoin "Adding extra station tiles away from the main station by using CTRL+build"
21:13:36  <Webster> KenjiE20: The operation succeeded.
21:13:49  <Mark> evening
21:13:52  <KenjiE20> feel free to berate me for useless definitions
21:14:00  <KenjiE20> :P
21:14:04  <KenjiE20> 'lo Mark
21:14:33  <Mark> !password
21:14:33  <PublicServer> Mark: combed
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21:15:06  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> heyas mark
21:16:33  <PublicServer> <Mark> yuck, that beast is still here
21:16:36  <PublicServer> <Kenji> not sure those ICE are particularly enjoying the 4 tile's of climbing
21:17:00  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> yeah, we should again add a 2nd
21:17:11  <PublicServer> <Kenji> why hallo thar
21:17:34  <PublicServer> <Mark> we should have gone with 4 loco ICEs
21:17:45  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> you can't
21:17:59  <PublicServer> <Mark> see train 498
21:18:01  <PublicServer> <Kenji> actually with the GRF glitches in this game you sort of can
21:18:05  <PublicServer> <Mark> guess i did the impossible
21:18:29  <PublicServer> <Kenji> double tractive effort, but impossible to use clonetool on
21:18:42  <PublicServer> <Mark> hm
21:18:43  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> why no clonetool?
21:18:45  <PublicServer> <Mark> didnt check that
21:18:52  <PublicServer> <Kenji> cause you're not supposed to be able to do it
21:19:22  <PublicServer> <Mark> transrapid is much nicer anyway
21:19:32  <PublicServer> <Mark> 0-502 in 2 tiles :)
21:19:59  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> and 502-0 how fast?
21:19:59  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> well, the accelration of the ICE is part of challenge
21:20:08  <PublicServer> <Kenji> 502? oh
21:20:27  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> that is why I added the 4tile climb ;-)
21:20:28  <PublicServer> <Kenji> everything should use TrackMania style indiscriminate units
21:20:40  <PublicServer> <Kenji> 500 distance/time
21:20:44  <PublicServer> <Kenji> ^_^
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21:22:31  <PublicServer> <Mark> let's get rid of km/h and mp/h and use tiles per day
21:23:00  <PublicServer> <Mark> 28.112t/d
21:23:15  <PublicServer> <Mark> 56.224 i mean
21:23:42  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> lol, would make mre sense, but people like fake realism in their game XD
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21:24:10  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> fake realism?
21:25:07  <ZarenorDarkstalker> if the speeds were accurate busses are something like 30km long
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21:25:49  <ZarenorDarkstalker> netdeath again?
21:26:12  <KenjiE20> you know it
21:26:22  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> AWESOME!
21:26:25  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> yeah, not really...
21:26:42  <KenjiE20> i has a feeling it might be something to do with utorrent writing to UNC files
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21:27:16  <Walle> !players
21:27:18  <PublicServer> Walle: Client 345 (Orange) is ZarenorDarkstalker, in company 1 (OTTDC)
21:27:18  <PublicServer> Walle: Client 341 (Orange) is AbsintheChris, in company 1 (OTTDC)
21:27:18  <PublicServer> Walle: Client 346 (Orange) is AmmIer, in company 1 (OTTDC)
21:27:31  <Walle> !password
21:27:31  <PublicServer> Walle: rubier
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21:28:15  <PublicServer> <Walle> good evening
21:28:18  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> evening
21:28:29  <XeryusTC> w00t walle :)
21:28:39  <PublicServer> <Walle> :p
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21:28:47  <XeryusTC> still that pax game thingy?
21:28:51  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> yup
21:28:52  <PublicServer> <Walle> uhu
21:29:20  <PublicServer> <Walle> gonna finish my island :p
21:29:36  <XeryusTC> too bad
21:29:43  <XeryusTC> we need a 3tt monorail desert game again :P
21:29:46  <XeryusTC> maybe even 2tt :P
21:29:54  <Mark> that we do
21:29:56  <PublicServer> <Walle> p:
21:29:59  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> why is that?
21:30:01  <KenjiE20> heh, 131 was fun
21:30:01  <Mark> some dirty old cargo
21:30:32  <KenjiE20> holy... there's a new BF2 patch in the works
21:30:43  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> BF2?
21:30:46  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> BF2?
21:30:51  <KenjiE20> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58265
21:30:52  <PublicServer> <AmmIer> :-)
21:30:52  <PublicServer> <Walle> BF2?
21:31:01  <PublicServer> <Walle> dunno waht that is, beu BF2?
21:31:07  <Mark> even i know that one
21:31:19  <ZarenorDarkstalker> ah
21:31:21  <Ammler> hmm, I guess, it is OT
21:31:21  <XeryusTC> BF2 is le ugly DC ftw
21:32:10  <KenjiE20> bf2 has PR though, which is mind bogglingly insane
21:32:28  <Ammler> PR
21:32:35  <XeryusTC> mark: desert with monorail = massive win
21:32:40  <XeryusTC> it always reminds me of ihme :D
21:32:41  <Ammler> please stop speaking cryptic
21:32:56  <KenjiE20> Project: Reality
21:33:36  <Mark> im not a great fan of mrail
21:33:38  <Mark> slow accel
21:33:44  <Ammler> if you use shortcuts in this channel, they should be openttd releated :P
21:33:52  <XeryusTC> mark: true, but they are quite fun
21:33:54  <KenjiE20> hehe
21:33:59  <XeryusTC> maybe we should try to get the dbset in desert
21:34:04  <XeryusTC> although i guess that is impossible
21:34:08  <Mark> :)
21:34:33  <Ammler> Mark: well, I could up my logic train to bananas :P
21:34:56  <Mark> how are the specs?
21:35:04  <Ammler> specs for?
21:35:10  <Mark> logic train
21:35:12  <XeryusTC> too stupid to use in coop
21:35:14  <XeryusTC> highest accel + speed :P
21:35:18  <Ammler> max speed, max power max whatevery you want
21:35:29  <KenjiE20> poweeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
21:35:34  <Mark> 65k km/h is too fast
21:35:41  <Ammler> :-)
21:35:51  <Ammler> best engine is br182
21:36:11  <ZarenorDarkstalker> 65k km/h? really?
21:36:12  <Ammler> over all newgrfs
21:37:07  <XeryusTC> yes
21:37:17  <XeryusTC> br182 has always been awesome :)
21:37:25  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> good job
21:37:48  <PublicServer> <Walle> i hate authoritys :(
21:37:57  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> annoying, yes?
21:38:04  <PublicServer> <Walle> yup
21:38:16  <Ammler> walle, do you want to play mafia?
21:38:25  <Ammler> !rcon magic_bulldozer
21:38:25  <PublicServer> Ammler: Magic bulldozer is disabled.
21:38:26  <PublicServer> <Walle> why?
21:39:05  <PublicServer> <Walle> i even cant bribe an authority in ttd, i dont think so :p
21:39:13  <XeryusTC> magic bulldozer can be enabled over rcon now?
21:39:20  <Ammler> :P
21:39:24  <Mark> Ammler hacked it
21:39:30  <Ammler> no, smatz hacked it
21:39:44  <SmatZ> for Ammler :)
21:40:05  <Ammler> thank you :-)
21:40:11  <ZarenorDarkstalker> !tunnels 8 8
21:40:11  <PublicServer> ZarenorDarkstalker: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 8 and gap 8.
21:40:13  <Xaroth> har har
21:40:40  <PublicServer> <Walle> didnt know you became a pirate?
21:40:54  <KenjiE20> yarr
21:41:03  <XeryusTC> yarr ye scarvy lass
21:41:07  <Mark> heh
21:41:10  <XeryusTC> scurvy actually
21:41:11  <PublicServer> <Walle> :p
21:41:12  <Mark> was waiting for XeryusTC to respond
21:41:26  <XeryusTC> oh, you know i'm a pirate fanatic already?
21:41:40  <Mark> you're an alestorm fan aren't you?
21:41:42  <hylje> yarrrr
21:41:47  <XeryusTC> yes :P
21:41:49  <Xaroth> YARRRRRRRRRRRRRble
21:41:51  <Mark> :)
21:41:58  <Mark> alestorm is awesome
21:41:58  <XeryusTC> they must be my third favorite band :P
21:42:23  <Mark> come take a drink, and drown your sorrows
21:42:47  <XeryusTC> all of your fears will be gone till tomorrow
21:43:08  <Mark> :D
21:43:16  <XeryusTC> we both missed the first word of the sentence ;)
21:43:25  <Mark> yeah
21:43:51  <XeryusTC> too bad i couldnt see alestorm when they were in holland 2 weeks ago :o
21:43:56  <Mark> so and and don't add that much though
21:43:58  <XeryusTC> i had no place to sleep :s
21:44:15  <Mark> never knew they were in holland
21:44:18  <XeryusTC> so is a weird word to start a chorus with
21:44:32  <Mark> not that would i have gone anyway, no one to go with me
21:44:52  <XeryusTC> i would
21:45:39  <XeryusTC> oh, they're playing in weert in 2 days :P
21:45:58  <XeryusTC> with heidevolk and tyr :P
21:46:04  <Mark> heh
21:46:07  <Mark> heidevolk
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21:46:17  <XeryusTC> i still havent seen them live
21:46:28  <PublicServer> <Walle> not my kind of music :p
21:46:29  <XeryusTC> even though i planned to go to 4 gigs where they played
21:46:33  <XeryusTC> and i didnt went to all of them
21:47:02  <Mark> shame
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21:47:23  <XeryusTC> yeah
21:47:31  <XeryusTC> also shame of the poor grammar in that one :P
21:48:10  <Mark> when i was in luxembourg a year ago there was some awesome band
21:48:11  <Mark> im sure you'd love it, can't recall the name though
21:48:39  <XeryusTC> hmm
21:49:11  <Mark> arcus it was
21:49:37  <XeryusTC> hmm, doesnt sound too familiar
21:50:20  <Mark> guess they're not known at all
21:50:26  <Mark> they only perform on fairs and stuff
21:50:44  <XeryusTC> they dont even have a wikipedia page
21:51:42  <Mark> http://www.arcusmusic.cz/
21:52:37  <XeryusTC> sounds like that band called ignite but not hardcore ish :P
21:54:24  <Mark> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea4dfaaE2g0
21:54:33  <Mark> pretty poor quality
21:55:49  <Walle> sounds nice :p
21:56:31  <XeryusTC> emo :P
21:56:41  <Walle> me?
21:56:41  <XeryusTC> will listen later, watching QI
21:57:13  <XeryusTC> yes you :P
21:57:21  <Walle> rofl :p
21:57:24  <XeryusTC> or i just listened to their only balad :P
21:57:43  <Walle> this is the music i like nowadays: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S219XUm18LA
21:57:49  <Walle> thats NOT emo :p
21:58:16  <Mark> gotta love the title
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21:58:56  <Walle> oh, and this is still the soft music ;)
21:59:30  <XeryusTC> DnB?
22:00:10  <Walle> i like to call it breakcore :p
22:00:13  <Mark> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N21M0iBSrRs
22:00:17  <Mark> try ignoring the vocals
22:00:17  <Walle> but this is a soft song :p
22:02:00  <Walle> wanna go hard? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeeTqz25wKw :p
22:02:24  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Well it appears I've made my first successful SR station
22:02:45  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> Could someone just check and make sure I got it right? Charnpool
22:02:54  <PublicServer> <Walle> i'll check it
22:03:13  <PublicServer> <AbsintheChris> I know the top corner it a bit dirty but I was more focused on getting the signals / orders right
22:03:18  <PublicServer> <Walle> its nice
22:03:32  <PublicServer> <Walle> but i would give the boats the load order at carnpool ;)
22:03:32  <Mark> i hope you didn't copy anything from this game
22:04:15  <XeryusTC> Walle> wanna go hard? <- Excrementory grindfuckers?
22:04:34  <Walle> :p
22:04:41  <Walle> i just wannaa prove that i'm not an emo :p
22:04:50  <XeryusTC> pfft :P
22:05:00  <XeryusTC> i only listened to like 10s of the band you know ;)
22:05:23  <XeryusTC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drZJ_VUPmvo
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22:06:25  <XeryusTC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz2xMyZ5rP0
22:06:55  <Walle> lol
22:07:09  <PublicServer> <Mark> so you did copy from this game
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22:07:19  <PublicServer> <Mark> you don't need PF traps on roro SR
22:07:45  <AbsintheChris> Meh, got kicked but its nearly bed time anyway
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22:08:13  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> PF traps?
22:08:29  <Walle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfDN1Prpj64
22:08:30  <Mark> making the PF think there is a no-penalty route
22:08:32  <Walle> :)
22:08:35  <AbsintheChris> You mean the path-finding signals on the main line?
22:08:57  <Mark> path-finding signals?
22:09:03  <AbsintheChris> I guessed due to the length of the loop that no trains were ever turning off there
22:09:04  <Mark> you mean the pbs i assume
22:09:21  <Mark> they would with enough penalty for the main line
22:10:06  <AbsintheChris> And I spotted it at another station and remember the path finder penalized when going through them from behind
22:10:26  <AbsintheChris> I'll be honest, whilst it looks like a work of art, most of it was guess work ;)
22:10:26  <Mark> for some proper SRNW check game 121
22:10:40  <Mark> the ones in this game are full of bugs
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22:11:52  <AbsintheChris> Tried 121 but it got in a serious sulk about build / GRF differences
22:12:12  <Walle> i'm off
22:12:13  <Walle> cya
22:12:19  <AbsintheChris> I just wanted to play with it to get a better understanding of how they worked
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22:12:33  <Mark> well, these dont work at all
22:12:42  <Mark> and if they do it's by accident
22:12:54  <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> mkay, well, later then with paused game...
22:13:00  <XeryusTC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXRnkMqcMic
22:13:10  <Mark> meh pendulum
22:13:18  <XeryusTC> :P
22:13:25  <XeryusTC> i will be seeing them live
22:13:27  <XeryusTC> on sonisphere :P
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22:14:10  <Mark> if i'd go there i certainly wouldnt go for pendulum
22:14:51  <XeryusTC> i dont either :P
22:15:49  <XeryusTC> mark: maybe you should check the likes of kromlek btw :P
22:16:22  <AbsintheChris> Ahh, I see you are discussing the randomness of Pendulum
22:16:39  <XeryusTC> no
22:16:42  <XeryusTC> we were discussing music
22:16:47  <XeryusTC> pendulum just came along :P
22:16:58  <Mark> pendulum is too repitive
22:17:01  <Mark> anyone can make that
22:17:04  <AbsintheChris> Fair play
22:17:15  <Mark> well not anyone i guess
22:17:23  <AbsintheChris> True, but whilst it goes against my styleand tastes, I'm still looking forward to seeing them
22:17:55  <XeryusTC> i really wonder what they're doing in the line-up of sonisphere
22:18:15  <Mark> yeah
22:18:25  <XeryusTC> just like kamelot btw
22:18:29  <XeryusTC> but kamelot are le awesome :P
22:18:45  <Mark> my sister is probably going there
22:18:50  <Mark> mainly for metallica
22:18:50  <XeryusTC> i will have seen them on the first and last date of their current tour after sonisphere
22:18:56  <XeryusTC> mark: is she hot?
22:19:09  <Mark> how could i tell?
22:20:06  <XeryusTC> how many of your friends visit your place when you're not home?
22:20:17  <AbsintheChris> You upset me greatly with this talk of Sonisphere, cos I've just found out Skindred are playing :(
22:20:22  <Mark> heh
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22:21:52  <XeryusTC> they arent in the netherlands
22:21:58  <XeryusTC> i would've wanted to see them
22:22:12  <AbsintheChris> At, I ended up on the Uk site
22:22:18  <AbsintheChris> *ah
22:22:24  <XeryusTC> i once planned to go see Skindred and Flogging Molly live, but i found out that tickets were sold out after i promised my girlfriend i'd take her :o
22:22:38  <AbsintheChris> Oh my...
22:23:19  <XeryusTC> well, it's my ex girlfriend by now
22:25:23  <Mark> with the power of ale, he could not fail
22:25:26  <Mark> brilliant
22:25:43  <XeryusTC> HAIL! HUNTMASTER!
22:26:41  * XeryusTC puts on Wenches and Mead
22:26:51  <Mark> heh
22:26:52  <XeryusTC> erm, Captain Morgan's Revenge I mean
22:26:53  <Mark> nice one too
22:27:29  <XeryusTC> quite odd to see, most of my alestorm songs have around 15 plays, Wenches and Mead has 30, Weiber und Wein (the german version) has 1, which was played in the middle of the night when i was asleep :P
22:28:20  <Mark> guess i played nancy the tavern wench the most
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22:29:06  <XeryusTC> heh, quite an awesome live song that is
22:29:18  <XeryusTC> also, i need a sub woofer
22:29:21  <XeryusTC> and better speakers :o
22:29:34  <Booth> you dont need a sub
22:29:40  <Booth> just a good set of speakers
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22:30:06  <Booth> music is never recorded in 5.1 sound
22:30:10  <Mark> i got 2*300 watts and pretty happy with it
22:30:21  <Booth> just stereo
22:30:22  <XeryusTC> i do need a sub, or more like a 50-250Hz device :P
22:30:32  <XeryusTC> booth: ever heard of processors?
22:30:39  <Booth> yes
22:31:01  <Booth> but why process the music when you can have a nice set of floor standing speakers?
22:31:06  <XeryusTC> they tend to split a full range signal into multiple different signals so you can use different amps for different ranges of your frquency
22:31:08  <Booth> !password
22:31:08  <PublicServer> Booth: depict
22:31:30  <XeryusTC> although i doubt i will put a system that should go through as a PA in my room :P
22:31:44  <Xaroth> Booth: didn't mail you as I'm first trying to add some more stuff to the app to finish it a bit more.
22:31:57  <XeryusTC> having even 2kW of amps in your room is a bit too much
22:32:01  <Booth> ok mail me if you want em to test
22:32:13  <Booth> lol
22:32:15  <XeryusTC> booth: those floor standing speakers also have filters build into them
22:32:35  <Booth> in my car i have 4 300 watt alpine v power amps
22:32:45  <Booth> with 3 graded out puts on each
22:32:50  <Booth> and a dedicated sub amp
22:33:15  <Booth> 2 12 inch alpine type x subs
22:33:27  <XeryusTC> so you have 1 amp for your sub and 3 amps for the rest of your system?
22:33:38  <Booth> and 4 sets of 13 17 and 1 cm coned speakers
22:33:44  <Booth> yeah
22:34:09  <Booth> each door has a 17.5 cm a 13.5 cm and a 1 cm cone speaker in them
22:34:28  <Booth> each amp and 3 speakers and half a sub
22:34:33  <XeryusTC> pfft, we dont use cm for measuring speakers :P
22:34:42  <Booth> what do you use?
22:34:44  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haha
22:34:45  <ZarenorDarkstalker> in
22:34:58  <XeryusTC> at home i currently use a system i'm ashamed off
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22:35:06  <XeryusTC> at school we have a 4 way active set
22:35:17  <ZarenorDarkstalker> a friend of mine has, i believe a 12in subwoofer
22:35:24  <XeryusTC> of which the 2x18" subs have a peak volume of 137dB :P
22:35:29  <Booth> i have 2 of them
22:35:33  <Booth> sunk into my boot
22:35:34  <ZarenorDarkstalker> haah, kill your ears with that
22:35:36  <ZarenorDarkstalker> sounds awesome
22:35:46  <Booth> 2 12s is enough for me
22:35:48  <XeryusTC> and the tops (doing low to high) are capable of 145dB peak
22:35:56  <XeryusTC> but that is a PA and doesnt count
22:35:59  <ZarenorDarkstalker> yeah, that's where i'm going to have to fit the subs in my car..
22:36:01  <Booth> i have 1200 watts RMS
22:36:05  <ZarenorDarkstalker> nice
22:36:07  <Booth> something like 5000 watt peak
22:36:08  <XeryusTC> as it has some 4kW of amps in front of it :P
22:36:15  <ZarenorDarkstalker> .. well nayway, would love to stick around, but i gotta go.. dinner
22:36:16  <ZarenorDarkstalker> bbl
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22:36:23  <XeryusTC> booth: what are those speakers rated anyway?
22:36:34  <XeryusTC> dB/1W/1m?
22:36:49  <Booth> i dont know it the apline type x conponant sets
22:36:58  <XeryusTC> hmm
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22:37:13  <XeryusTC> it is very bad to know just the power of your amps but not the rating of your speakers
22:37:14  <Booth> not type x
22:37:16  <Booth> the type r
22:37:18  <Booth> sorry
22:37:35  <Booth> well the amps provide the power
22:37:54  <Booth> the speakers have a much higher peek than the amps
22:38:04  <XeryusTC> as 50dB/1W/1m speakers (which don't exist I hope) still need over 10kW of amps to produce the same amount of sound as a 95dB/1W/1m speakers on 1W amps :P
22:38:15  <Booth> the subs are 1500 watts at 2 ohms
22:38:18  <Booth> i know that much
22:39:04  <Booth> Sensitivity: 87dB / W(1m)
22:39:05  <XeryusTC> hmm, that's quite alot :P
22:39:19  <Booth> thats the rating on my large 17.5 speakers
22:39:35  <XeryusTC> 7" :P
22:39:36  <Booth> Sensitivity: 86dB /W(1m)
22:39:39  <Booth> yeah
22:39:47  <Booth> and thats the smaller 13.5 cm cones
22:39:56  <XeryusTC> most people liek to use inches for them :P
22:40:06  <XeryusTC> like*
22:40:08  <Booth> i use inches for subs
22:40:18  <Booth> but standard speakers i use cm
22:40:20  <Booth> not sure why
22:40:44  <Booth> but its prity loud
22:40:57  <Booth> probably the loudest sound system in a car i have ever herd
22:40:58  <XeryusTC> heh, speakers arent necessarily subs or "normal" speakers
22:41:12  <XeryusTC> subs are just more effecient at low sounds than horn drivers and vice versa
22:41:23  <Booth> well they are subs if you run them off 1 4 way split amp
22:41:54  <Booth> the amps have 4 sperate channel
22:42:00  <Booth> not sure what the difference is
22:42:08  <Booth> but it tell you what size to put where
22:42:16  <Booth> has 1 tweeter port
22:42:20  <Booth> 1 sub port
22:42:26  <Booth> and 2 speaker ports
22:42:44  <XeryusTC> booth: that's because of the build in processor, it splits the input signal into 4 parts for the different speakers
22:42:48  <Booth> so off 4 you can run 2 subs and 8 speakers and 4 tweeters
22:43:00  <XeryusTC> so you can have 4 different amps, 1 for every output
22:43:01  <Booth> but it sounds nice
22:43:30  <Booth> and with my ipod and some DnB on you can have a good time
22:43:44  <XeryusTC> although for a car amp it is more likely they have 1 amp and 4 passive filters after that
22:43:46  <Booth> if you turn the head unit over 10 you dont want to be in the car
22:43:50  <XeryusTC> which is a huge waste of energy mind you :P
22:44:25  <Booth> i think it has 2 cross overs built into the amp
22:44:42  <Booth> if you know what i mean by cross overs
22:44:49  <XeryusTC> ah, then it is actively split and has 4 amps sides
22:44:57  <XeryusTC> -s
22:45:11  <Booth> is that better?
22:45:23  <XeryusTC> imo it is
22:45:31  <XeryusTC> it kind of depends on what you personally prefer
22:45:45  <Booth> i dont know
22:45:50  <XeryusTC> but usually having an active cross over is better than have passive filters
22:45:51  <Booth> but it cost me alot the kit
22:46:01  <XeryusTC> as you split the signal into different ranges before the amp and not after
22:46:08  <Booth> £3k on all the kit
22:46:13  <Booth> aah i see
22:46:15  <XeryusTC> which means you dont waste alot of energy of the amp
22:46:28  <XeryusTC> but the downside is that you need more amps then you would need with a passive system
22:46:51  <Booth> but amps on a 1 cm tweeter is a tiny amp
22:47:06  <XeryusTC> the benefit of a processer is also that you can EQ the signal so it better fits to your system
22:47:07  <Booth> otherwise you would just blow kit
22:47:10  <Booth> *it
22:47:24  <Xaroth> har har, soon favourites lists done
22:47:35  <XeryusTC> yes, tweeters dont need alot of power
22:47:36  <Booth> you can eq with the head unit
22:47:59  <Booth> the only down side of having 4 amps is having space to put them
22:48:09  <Booth> 2 in the boot and 2 under the seats
22:48:14  <Booth> and all the bloddy wires
22:48:20  <XeryusTC> the downside of 4 amps is the massive weight
22:48:34  <Booth> they dont wieght that much
22:48:39  <Booth> the speakers weigh more
22:48:41  <XeryusTC> all the bloody wires he says, i usually have 16+ wires just to mic a band :P
22:49:06  <XeryusTC> i'm so glad they invented multi-core cables and spinners
22:49:20  <Booth> each amp has pos neg start and 4 speaker wires
22:49:23  <XeryusTC> it is _so_ much better if  you can send 40 signals through a single cable instead of laying down 40 cables
22:49:35  <Booth> yeah
22:49:38  <XeryusTC> saves alot of effort when you need to run a cable of 50 meters :P
22:49:42  <Booth> ohh and aux / phono inputs
22:49:55  <Booth> so each amp ahs 7 cables
22:50:18  <Booth> some of these can be joined at common location like the remot power and ground wires
22:50:28  <Booth> but the aux and speaker cables cant
22:51:02  <Booth> you would love my car i have trouble getting the carpet back down
22:51:07  <Booth> and the seat back in
22:51:37  <XeryusTC> hmm, i am currently trying to find your set on alpine's website :P
22:52:01  <Booth> they are the type r
22:52:07  <Booth> speaker
22:52:18  <Booth> as far as i know the amps arent made any more
22:52:27  <Booth> i dont think they make the v power amps any more
22:52:36  <Booth> at least not the that spec
22:52:50  <XeryusTC> well, they still make v-power amps
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22:53:21  <Booth> i know last time i looked they only had 2 v power amps in range
22:53:31  <Booth> and a new amp range had come out
22:55:05  <XeryusTC> hmm, lol, those amps are so basic hifi things :P
22:55:15  <XeryusTC> makes me laugh as an audio technician at times :P
22:55:23  <XeryusTC> not your fault, you wouldn't need any more
22:55:46  <Booth> i also would pay someone to fit my car audio eqipment
22:56:09  <XeryusTC> hehe, i'm not the one for that, i'm into live audio :P
22:56:23  <XeryusTC> http://www.martin-audio.com/products/H3T+.asp
22:56:29  <XeryusTC> my school has a set of those
22:56:41  <XeryusTC> with the S218+ that are linked to from that page :P
22:56:53  <XeryusTC> they're professional audio thingies though :P
22:56:54  <Booth> how much are they a set?
22:57:13  <XeryusTC> uhm, like a few ten thousand euros :P
22:57:21  <XeryusTC> including amps and stuff :P
22:58:13  <Booth> http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/floorstanding_speaker/
22:58:20  <Booth> and i thought that made a good sound
22:58:28  <Booth> my dad has 4 of those in the front room
22:59:30  <XeryusTC> hmm, 44Hz-20kHz is quite a high range for a hifi set
22:59:53  <XeryusTC> even most pro audio sets go from 50Hz-18kHz :o
23:00:16  <Booth> they are only £300 a set
23:00:25  <Booth> plus you need a good amp to power them
23:01:11  <XeryusTC> hmm, the specs seem quite decent
23:01:12  <Booth> so in todays money like € 300 for 2 speakers
23:01:21  <XeryusTC> but i'm not that well with hifi stuff actually :P
23:01:54  <Booth> JBL make some good live audio equipment
23:02:11  <XeryusTC> yeah
23:02:25  <XeryusTC> the company i'm currently in traineeship in have loads of their stuff
23:02:57  <XeryusTC> they have like 18" subs that weigh no more than 25 kilos
23:03:19  <Booth> isnt wieght everything?
23:03:31  <Booth> the more it wieghs generaly the bigger the magnet
23:03:42  <Booth> so the more power you can supply to the core
23:05:23  <XeryusTC> well not really, light weight is actually prefered because you dont need 20 people to tip one single sub woofer :P
23:06:15  <XeryusTC> but most audio technicians care more about the actual specs of the device than the weight
23:06:25  <Booth> aaah
23:06:28  <XeryusTC> as the weight of the magnet doesnt matter that much for its display characteristics
23:07:02  <Booth> all i know is it took 2 of us to get my subs into the holes i cut in my boot
23:07:12  <Booth> they weidhed that much
23:08:30  <XeryusTC> heh, i can imagine that
23:08:45  <XeryusTC> those subs we have at school weigh about 80 kilos each
23:08:59  <XeryusTC> they don't even come in a flight case, they have wheels screwed to their backs
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23:18:40  <Booth> does any one mind if i re write the stationary menu?
23:18:45  <Booth> to make it more useable
23:19:10  <XeryusTC> i guess some people would
23:19:12  <XeryusTC> like KenjiE20 :P
23:19:25  <XeryusTC> who is currently reworking the wiki alot :P
23:19:36  <KenjiE20> lol do it's not even in use tbh
23:19:41  <KenjiE20> -do
23:19:56  <Booth> well if it was write better
23:20:00  <Booth> then it would be used
23:20:05  <Booth> and if it was complete
23:20:08  <KenjiE20> it's redundant
23:20:14  <Booth> how it is?
23:20:21  <KenjiE20> everything is in Junctionary
23:20:33  <Booth> it shouldnt be
23:20:41  <Booth> only junstions should be in junctionary
23:20:45  <Booth> not stations
23:20:48  <KenjiE20> afaict it's just there for 'historical reasons'
23:21:17  <XeryusTC> i agree with KenjiE20 on that actually :P
23:21:28  <XeryusTC> especailly because everything can be found in one place
23:21:35  <KenjiE20> personally I think it's better to collate all the merge/joins/LBs/stations in one place
23:21:41  <KenjiE20> lol damnit
23:21:47  <KenjiE20> why does everyone beat me to it
23:22:10  <XeryusTC> sentence length
23:22:10  <Booth> i think we should have one place to find building guides yes
23:22:22  <Booth> in the guide different sections
23:22:28  <Booth> such as the junctionary
23:22:32  <Booth> and the stationary
23:23:24  <Booth> mabye collating the junctionary and stationary
23:23:31  <Booth> looking at what is good inbot
23:23:34  <Booth> both
23:23:51  <Booth> like the juctionary have a vary poor arcitcle on terminuses
23:23:54  <XeryusTC> wasnt the junctionary meant as a place to collect milestones, not default techniques?
23:24:07  <Booth> it was indeed
23:24:20  <XeryusTC> the wiki needs cleaning up
23:24:30  <XeryusTC> back in the old days we had a very simple concept for new players
23:24:30  <Booth> it was ment to be there to collect notable junction from one game
23:24:36  <XeryusTC> nowadays the wiki has grown very big :o
23:24:56  <Booth> i think we could create a famous hubs and stations section
23:25:12  <XeryusTC> that was the junctionary
23:25:22  <XeryusTC> for basic techniques we have the guides section
23:25:22  <Booth> neither the junctionary or stationary show how to build self regualtion stations
23:25:25  <Razaekel> junctionary was hubs only
23:25:28  <XeryusTC> and a bit less the R&D section
23:25:33  <Razaekel> there isnt a page for stations
23:25:45  <Booth> there is its the stationary
23:26:07  <XeryusTC> booth: SR is an R&D thingy i guess :P
23:26:13  <Booth> maybe we should compile a todo list for the wiki
23:26:34  <Booth> so we can work out what need to be where
23:26:35  <KenjiE20> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Template:WikiMetaTemplates <-- tag 'em
23:26:43  <Booth> what need to be re written
23:26:52  <Booth> then say when they are complete
23:26:54  <KenjiE20> I suggest {{update}} or {{cleanup}}
23:27:16  <XeryusTC> imo we need to move some stuff out of the wiki
23:27:18  <XeryusTC> like the archives and such :P
23:27:42  <KenjiE20> that would probably be better suited to have it's own WP category
23:27:58  <KenjiE20> then we could leave comments too
23:28:09  <XeryusTC> maybe i could write an archive page that is dedicated only to that :P
23:28:16  <Booth> archives should be bloged i think
23:28:17  <XeryusTC> but i should finish the ladder too
23:28:21  <XeryusTC> but i have a free day tomorrow :o
23:28:52  <Booth> if archives where in a blog format you could comment on the games
23:29:04  <KenjiE20> read up :P
23:29:12  <Booth> and still have a wiki style section
23:29:48  <KenjiE20> then again we always have Talk:*
23:30:03  <XeryusTC> i'd rather have a more tightly regulated archive page then we have now :P
23:30:38  <KenjiE20> it's easy enough to make a non-front page displaying WP category
23:30:41  <Booth> the issue with that is that then only chosen people could write
23:30:54  <Booth> and i would assue that would end up being members only
23:30:58  <KenjiE20> well you need a member to start a new game anyway
23:31:10  <XeryusTC> well, more member moderated
23:31:10  <Booth> which in the case of archiving is unfair
23:31:21  <XeryusTC> where everyone can upload a save etc, but a member has to approve it to be displayed
23:31:29  <Booth> as members dont always have the game play time some non members do
23:31:31  <XeryusTC> or rather, disaprove it
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23:32:14  <KenjiE20> that's basically what WP would so
23:32:16  <XeryusTC> although maybe, we could make a seperate ladder in my WIP ladder system for it :P
23:32:19  <KenjiE20> anyway afk for 10
23:32:26  <XeryusTC> what's WP?
23:32:39  <Booth> web page
23:32:48  <XeryusTC> oh :P
23:33:48  <Booth> see i think junctionary should contain more actual coop game imagary
23:33:56  <Booth> rather than user submited images
23:34:17  <XeryusTC> well it would need more landmarks :P
23:35:04  <Booth> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/8/84/Pile_Transport%2C_17._Dez_2090.png
23:35:15  <Booth> this is so old you cant build diagonals under bridges
23:35:27  <XeryusTC> indeed :P
23:35:49  <Ammler> well, old pictures are fine
23:35:53  <Ammler> just mark them as old.
23:36:03  <Booth> but they are not alway relavant
23:36:14  <Booth> as we can use space more efficiently
23:39:09  <Booth> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Image:Roroentrance_1.PNG
23:39:24  <Booth> this screen shot engourages bad building
23:39:36  <Booth> with what could become slow corners
23:39:42  <Booth> if the TL is more the 3
23:39:54  <Booth> and the speed is greater the 201lph
23:40:00  <Booth> *201kph
23:42:16  <XeryusTC> well, i guess you'd need to adapt it then :P
23:45:05  <KenjiE20> WP = wordpress
23:45:10  <KenjiE20> oh and back
23:46:40  <Booth> also if you want to put it all in the junctionary i think it would be more useful in this sort of style (http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Stationary_-_Station_Exits_RoRo)
23:46:53  <Booth> and maybe import that to the junctionary
23:47:19  <Booth> with an explanation of where to build when to build
23:47:25  <Booth> then some nice examples
23:47:53  <Booth> rather than just (this is a 4 way bbh used in psg #118 by pm)
23:48:13  <Booth> and this one is missing ne / en connectiong