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I heard the UK and France are seeing more, and their councils are out of salt to clear the roads 10:21:39 <sam_ch> my parents just came back from finland... -18 °C 10:21:44 <Vulcan86> whaaaaaaaaaaaat 10:21:47 <Vulcan86> -18 ?! 10:22:08 <Vulcan86> I've never been anywhere that cold. 10:22:39 <sam_ch> yep for someone from spain it's not usual ! 10:23:51 <NeosaD> I'm from spain 10:24:45 *** slas has joined #openttdcoop 10:25:17 <sam_ch> time to go to work... 10:25:19 <sam_ch> cya ! 10:25:33 *** sam_ch has quit IRC 10:26:46 <Vulcan86> Ah I'm from UK originally, on holiday out here 10:26:53 <Vulcan86> Andalucia 10:29:32 <hylje> i heard british tourists are obligated to act obnoxiously there 10:34:42 <Vulcan86> we are 10:34:46 <Vulcan86> :D 10:35:03 <Vulcan86> Depends, we have a villa out here and we pay tax on it, so I doubt we're interested in doing that 10:35:15 <Vulcan86> It would be like ****ing in our backyard 10:35:17 <Paul2> I heard the british are obligated to act obnoxiously. 10:35:22 <Vulcan86> ^ also true. 10:35:25 <Ammler> hylje: just on vacations? 10:35:28 <Vulcan86> We're so good at it, you see. 10:35:53 <hylje> Ammler: on my few trips to Britain Prime the people seemed friendly and reserved 10:36:34 <Vulcan86> I think most people forget themselves when they're abroad 10:36:50 <Vulcan86> from Britain 10:43:04 <Paul2> I think British people are awesome. 10:45:11 <bartavelle> they just don't know much about food 10:45:44 <Vulcan86> we should do, lol, we're bombarded with TV Chef programmes :( 10:45:57 <Vulcan86> I guess we just shrug and order curry instead. \o/ 10:46:25 <Ammler> I like English pubs and beer 10:49:13 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop 10:57:37 <Vulcan86> !password 10:57:37 <PublicServer> Vulcan86: cranky 10:57:56 <PublicServer> *** Vulcan86 joined the game 11:00:23 *** ChoHag has joined #openttdcoop 11:06:04 <PublicServer> *** Vulcan86 has left the game (leaving) 11:19:14 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop 11:22:05 *** slas has quit IRC 11:22:20 *** slas has joined #openttdcoop 11:24:03 *** Madis has quit IRC 11:25:10 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 11:32:34 *** Vulcan86 has quit IRC 11:32:45 <V453000> !password 11:32:45 <PublicServer> V453000: paling 11:33:39 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 11:33:55 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 11:36:23 <slas> !players 11:36:25 <PublicServer> slas: Client 190 is V453000, a spectator 11:36:25 <PublicServer> slas: Client 158 is Sietse, a spectator 11:39:13 *** mixrin has quit IRC 11:39:20 *** PeterT has quit IRC 11:57:38 *** slas has quit IRC 11:59:12 *** slas has joined #openttdcoop 12:00:13 <slas> !password 12:00:14 <PublicServer> slas: toffee 12:00:35 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 12:06:17 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 12:10:45 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 12:12:27 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 12:12:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 12:13:02 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 12:17:35 <Webster> Latest update from devzone: #openttdcoop - DevZone moved <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/23> || OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.2.1 released <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/22> || OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.2.0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/21> || OpenSFX - OpenSFX 0.2.0 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/20> 12:28:58 *** sam_ch has joined #openttdcoop 12:29:31 <KenjiE20> damnit V 12:29:41 <KenjiE20> I just finished editing that 12:31:40 <PublicServer> *** persil joined the game 12:32:50 <PublicServer> *** persil has left the game (leaving) 12:35:57 <PublicServer> *** Sietse has left the game (leaving) 12:37:02 <V453000> :D 12:37:47 <V453000> feel free to reedit :) 12:38:01 <KenjiE20> already committed the diff :P 12:38:06 <V453000> :) 12:38:28 <KenjiE20> funny how we essentially summed the game up the same way 12:38:34 <V453000> yeah :D 12:38:36 <KenjiE20> just worded it ifferently 12:38:38 <KenjiE20> +d 12:38:49 <V453000> I am not sure about the days played 12:38:53 <KenjiE20> it's right 12:38:57 <V453000> okay 12:39:01 <KenjiE20> game changed on the 2nd 12:39:05 <KenjiE20> @coopstats 12:39:05 <Webster> http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/stats.html 12:39:13 <KenjiE20> ^ you can check topics there 12:39:46 <V453000> oh yeah forgot about that there are the topics as well :) thx 12:39:49 <KenjiE20> we you yy instead of yyyy though 12:39:58 <KenjiE20> s/you/use/ 12:40:12 <V453000> ? 12:40:20 <KenjiE20> as a date 12:40:26 <V453000> oh 12:40:30 <V453000> ok 12:43:08 <V453000> I just ended my "stochastic srnw idea testing" and I found out that it is more useless than I imagined :-D 12:44:31 *** sietse has quit IRC 12:50:15 *** sparrL has joined #openttdcoop 12:58:18 *** DarkED has joined #openttdcoop 13:08:33 *** sparrL has quit IRC 13:17:05 *** sparrL has joined #openttdcoop 13:20:14 *** Hyppy has joined #openttdcoop 13:21:07 <Hyppy> !players 13:21:08 <PublicServer> Hyppy: Client 194 is slas, a spectator 13:21:19 *** V453000 has quit IRC 13:23:57 <Hyppy> !dl lin 13:23:57 <PublicServer> Hyppy: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r18669/openttd-trunk-r18669-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2 13:29:24 *** siil has joined #openttdcoop 13:29:57 <siil> +i 13:30:22 <siil> is anyone here 13:30:42 *** Fuco has joined #openttdcoop 13:31:53 <Ammler> Hello siil, check the client list on the right side :-) 13:33:16 <siil> I have a question 13:33:39 <siil> can I update my existing openttd 13:35:12 <Ammler> yes, please do 13:36:55 <siil> can I update my existing openttd version without loseing my savings 13:37:31 <Ammler> yes, you can :-) 13:37:44 <siil> how 13:38:15 <Ammler> same way you installed the first time. 13:38:56 <siil> but then I have to delete existing openttd 13:39:03 <Ammler> you can 13:39:22 <Ammler> but you can also overwrite the existing one 13:42:09 <Phazorx> opentd stores data separately from application actally 13:42:29 <Phazorx> on most setups maps, savegames, custom GRF go into your documents/private area 13:42:39 <Phazorx> and game is whereever you want to have it installed 13:48:40 <Ammler> Phazorx: that he knows ;-) 13:48:47 <Ammler> it is in the README 13:49:25 *** lomba has joined #openttdcoop 13:49:33 <Ammler> Phazorx: btw., you should update your opengfx :-) 13:53:18 *** VictorOfSweden has joined #openttdcoop 13:53:43 <Phazorx> better signals in new one? 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I dont 15:18:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> srnw from one station to another? wtf 15:19:17 <PublicServer> <Mark> i dont either 15:19:22 <PublicServer> <Mark> and i doubt if anyone voting for it does 15:19:28 <PublicServer> <Mark> if he even understands it himself 15:19:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 15:19:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> my thoughts 15:20:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> havent met him to ask yet though 15:20:31 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 15:20:31 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players) 15:21:14 <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (leaving) 15:23:23 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 15:23:46 *** VictorOfSweden has quit IRC 15:26:50 *** Madis has quit IRC 15:27:25 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 15:28:14 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 15:30:15 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 15:33:16 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop 15:44:19 *** Techinica has joined #openttdcoop 15:49:04 *** jondisti has joined #openttdcoop 15:53:15 <jondisti> !password 15:53:15 <PublicServer> jondisti: hiatus 15:53:24 <PublicServer> *** jondisti joined the game 15:55:46 <De_Ghosty> madness? 15:55:49 <De_Ghosty> THIS 15:55:49 <De_Ghosty> IS 15:55:56 <De_Ghosty> OTTD COOP 15:59:12 *** Techinica has quit IRC 15:59:44 *** Techinica has joined #openttdcoop 15:59:48 *** TrapdoorOFF is now known as Trapdoor 15:59:56 *** Techinica has joined #openttdcoop 16:00:19 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 16:00:21 <Techinica> !password 16:00:21 <PublicServer> Techinica: convoy 16:00:32 <PublicServer> *** Techinica joined the game 16:02:09 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 16:04:58 <Hyppy> Looks like Mark has it in the bag 16:06:41 <sparr> !password 16:06:41 <PublicServer> sparr: convoy 16:07:14 <PublicServer> *** sparr joined the game 16:07:28 <PublicServer> <sparr> wow, i got a vote :) 16:08:56 *** lomba has joined #openttdcoop 16:10:13 <PublicServer> <sparr> Mark's plan is neat... 16:10:20 <PublicServer> <sparr> I expect it to be a relatively short game 16:11:29 <PublicServer> *** jondisti has joined spectators 16:12:27 <De_Ghosty> the internet is for orn 16:12:41 <V453000> hi techinica 16:13:07 <V453000> sparr: WTF do you expect? 16:13:35 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 16:13:36 <PublicServer> <sparr> "I expect it to be a relatively short game" <-- which part of this is unclear? 16:13:54 <PublicServer> *** lomba joined the game 16:14:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> the "short" 16:14:18 <PublicServer> <sparr> shorter than some of the more recent games have been 16:14:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think we cant say that 16:14:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> but lets see 16:14:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> Techinica: could you please explain me some elements of your plan? I dont get it 16:14:55 <PublicServer> <sparr> i think we can fully implement Mark's plan, to max capacity, in a day or two 16:15:29 <PublicServer> <sparr> it has zero BBHs, and all the SLHs are trivially simple 16:15:36 <PublicServer> <sparr> especially considering how flat the map is 16:15:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah 16:15:50 *** Madis has quit IRC 16:16:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> but it will need a lot of work with the srnw 16:16:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> as there are four 16:16:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> each crossover each other 16:16:34 <PublicServer> <sparr> the interaction of the SRNW with the ML is the only part I don't understand 16:16:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> exactly 16:16:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> but it is way too confusing :D 16:22:10 *** Intexon has joined #openttdcoop 16:22:40 *** sam_ch has quit IRC 16:22:54 <PublicServer> *** sparr has left the game (leaving) 16:24:51 <PublicServer> *** Hyppy has joined spectators 16:25:16 <Intexon> !password 16:25:16 <PublicServer> Intexon: abides 16:25:32 <PublicServer> *** Intexon joined the game 16:33:03 <PublicServer> *** lomba has left the game (leaving) 16:41:29 *** AdTheRat has joined #openttdcoop 16:47:07 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 16:47:07 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players) 17:00:00 *** Polygon has joined #openttdcoop 17:02:05 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 17:08:03 <PublicServer> *** Hyppy has left the game (leaving) 17:18:53 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop 17:20:11 <V453000> !password 17:20:11 <PublicServer> V453000: rhymed 17:20:22 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 17:20:25 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 17:20:25 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players) 17:28:47 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 17:31:26 <V453000> fckin wifi 17:31:28 <V453000> whatever 17:32:03 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 17:36:39 *** sparrL has quit IRC 17:37:48 *** Mks has quit IRC 17:38:04 *** Mks has joined #openttdcoop 17:42:35 *** pugi has quit IRC 17:45:18 *** sam_ch has joined #openttdcoop 17:45:55 <sam_ch> !password 17:45:55 <PublicServer> sam_ch: celery 17:46:02 <PublicServer> *** Sam joined the game 17:47:42 <PublicServer> *** Sam has left the game (connection lost) 17:50:57 <PublicServer> *** tkjacobsen joined the game 17:53:43 *** lomba has quit IRC 18:04:41 *** Polygon has quit IRC 18:13:13 *** mitooo has joined #openttdcoop 18:14:52 <Hyppy> !players 18:14:54 <PublicServer> Hyppy: Client 232 is tkjacobsen, a spectator 18:14:54 <PublicServer> Hyppy: Client 214 is jondisti, a spectator 18:14:54 <PublicServer> Hyppy: Client 216 (Orange) is Techinica, in company 1 (New Safingley Transport) 18:14:54 <PublicServer> Hyppy: Client 218 is slas, a spectator 18:14:54 <PublicServer> Hyppy: Client 226 is Intexon, a spectator 18:14:57 <mitooo> !doWnload 18:15:26 <mitooo> !download 18:15:26 <PublicServer> mitooo: !download autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x 18:15:52 <mitooo> !download lin 18:15:52 <PublicServer> mitooo: unknown option "" 18:16:02 <mitooo> !download lin 18:16:02 <PublicServer> mitooo: unknown option "" 18:16:07 <^Spike^> !dl lin 18:16:07 <PublicServer> ^Spike^: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r18669/openttd-trunk-r18669-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2 18:16:13 <^Spike^> !download lin 18:16:13 <PublicServer> ^Spike^: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r18669/openttd-trunk-r18669-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2 18:16:18 <mitooo> tank you :) 18:16:23 <mitooo> thank* 18:18:36 *** Mark has quit IRC 18:22:08 <PublicServer> *** Intexon has left the game (leaving) 18:22:40 *** sparrL has joined #openttdcoop 18:24:44 *** Intexon has quit IRC 18:29:07 *** mitooo has quit IRC 18:31:08 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop 18:31:08 *** Webster sets mode: +o Mark 18:42:33 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop 18:45:40 *** Phazorx has left #openttdcoop 18:48:32 <V453000> !password 18:48:33 <PublicServer> V453000: jokers 18:49:01 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 18:49:17 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 18:49:43 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 18:49:54 <V453000> when will we end the voting phase? 18:53:00 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 18:56:09 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 18:56:56 *** Madis has quit IRC 18:58:44 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined company #1 18:59:48 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 18:59:48 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players) 19:00:35 *** csuke has joined #openttdcoop 19:00:57 <csuke> !password 19:00:57 <PublicServer> csuke: apples 19:01:24 <PublicServer> *** csuke joined the game 19:01:49 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 19:02:03 *** V453000 has quit IRC 19:02:39 *** V453000 has joined #openttdcoop 19:06:25 <csuke> @define sml 19:06:30 <csuke> !define sml 19:17:49 *** roysvork has joined #openttdcoop 19:18:48 <roysvork> !password 19:18:48 <PublicServer> roysvork: salute 19:19:04 <PublicServer> *** Roysvork joined the game 19:19:30 *** mixrin has joined #openttdcoop 19:21:23 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> alright chaps 19:22:50 <Phazorx> htm... anyone ever tried dealing with BT devices under linux? 19:23:19 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> once a long time ago 19:23:25 <Phazorx> especially using multiprofile devices such as headset+handsfree which operate in dual mode under BT 2.0 :/ 19:23:27 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I gave up, but it's surely better now? 19:25:11 <Osai> hey Phazorx 19:25:13 <Osai> I am back 19:25:27 <Osai> I read your article, very nice :) 19:26:10 <roysvork> I find the 'heading for tight packer' quite amusing I have to say 19:26:21 <Phazorx> hya Osai... how was your training? 19:26:27 <Osai> it was exhausting 19:26:38 <Osai> I never had such an exhausting training 19:26:46 <Osai> crazy 19:27:07 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 19:27:33 <Phazorx> so i guess you skipped champaing for NYE :) 19:27:57 <Osai> nope, we celebrated until 3am 19:28:41 <roysvork> where are you guys from? 19:31:25 <planetmaker> a tiny planet in the Orion arm of the Galaxy named Milkyway, somewhere in the Virgo cluster 19:31:46 <roysvork> I see :) Did you make it yourself? 19:31:57 <Osai> and 2nd january I started training again, really crazy 19:32:17 *** bimbo has joined #openttdcoop 19:32:53 <planetmaker> what? That place description? 19:33:17 <planetmaker> oh, that planet... I forgot my nickname :-P 19:33:22 <roysvork> lol 19:33:34 <bimbo> @quickstart 19:33:36 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 19:33:52 <planetmaker> yes, I won an award for the Norwegian fjords 19:34:08 <roysvork> Ahaa 19:34:15 <roysvork> I started reading the first book again just last night 19:34:29 <roysvork> I really should try some of his other stuff though 19:35:01 *** Timmaexx has joined #openttdcoop 19:35:14 <PublicServer> *** jondisti has left the game (leaving) 19:36:30 <Osai> !password 19:36:31 <PublicServer> Osai: pledge 19:36:42 <PublicServer> *** 0sai joined the game 19:36:58 <V453000> hi Osai :) 19:37:03 <Osai> hi 19:37:14 <Phazorx> roysvork: should read some Terry Pratchett too btw ) 19:37:39 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 19:37:41 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has joined spectators 19:37:46 <Phazorx> Osai... and btw, integrated packer works quite fine it seems... so it was a very good idea of yours :) 19:38:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> :))) 19:38:26 <Osai> great 19:38:56 <Phazorx> Mark's cmpressor is fine too... they just di ompletely different things :) 19:39:01 <Phazorx> as i tried to stress in the article 19:39:07 <PublicServer> *** csuke has left the game (connection lost) 19:39:10 *** csuke has quit IRC 19:39:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah nice piece of reading 19:39:54 <Osai> I think we can still extend this stuff even further 19:39:56 <Osai> :) 19:40:01 <Osai> but it is a solid base now 19:40:59 <V453000> yes. :) 19:41:09 <roysvork> So given that these concept are kind of accidental in terms of actual game design, are there any plans for ottd development to make it easier? 19:41:17 <Phazorx> we need some PZ game with multilane SRN+ w/ full lanes over SML :) 19:41:43 <Phazorx> roysvork: i keep suggesting we do these... but it doesnt take off :) 19:42:17 <roysvork> On the downside there'd be less complex looking stuff 19:42:29 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop 19:42:48 <Osai> Phazorx: yes 19:43:16 <Osai> the question is who wants to join that stuff :D 19:43:30 <Osai> and other persons are interested too 19:44:01 <Phazorx> it's very joinable actually 19:44:13 <Phazorx> you have not seennd of PSG170 19:44:29 <Phazorx> but 03 wood net, powereed by SRN was quite nice 19:44:35 <V453000> yeah 19:44:37 <Phazorx> with 3 lanes on full trains and 2 on empty 19:44:40 <Osai> I did, I loaded the final savegame :) 19:44:43 <Phazorx> ahh nice 19:44:58 <Osai> it looked nice 19:45:09 <Phazorx> so you saw that with perfect packong - 3 decent full lanes are about as good as 2 packed one 19:45:11 <Osai> and even this switcher of mine worked fine 19:45:11 <Phazorx> ones 19:45:22 <Osai> of course 19:45:28 <Osai> I never doubt that :) 19:45:40 <Phazorx> well many did 19:45:52 <Phazorx> seeing that 3 is mroe than 2 and claimed that 2 is not eough 19:45:56 <Phazorx> enough 19:45:56 <V453000> the 2 and 3 always was little difference imo :) of course packing makes this bold and underlined 19:46:18 <Phazorx> as a result we had to redo entrance since that was not good enough and became bottleneck rather than station or exit 19:46:22 <Osai> can we integrate packing system in SML? 19:46:32 <Osai> that would be awesome 19:46:34 <Phazorx> Osai: not really 19:46:49 <Phazorx> but SRNW can use SML for returning traffic 19:47:02 <Phazorx> since there are a lot of station and hnce quite a bit of merging 19:47:13 <Phazorx> and megadrops would use compressor rather than packer 19:47:14 <planetmaker> [20:41] <roysvork> So given that these concept are kind of accidental in terms of actual game design, are there any plans for ottd development to make it easier? <-- in what way would you like to see that (not that I have any intention whatsoever. Just curious) 19:47:20 <Phazorx> to ensure bunch of room for emrging 19:48:26 <Phazorx> br 19:48:27 <Phazorx> b 19:48:32 *** Phazorx has left #openttdcoop 19:48:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> who says that the voting ends? 19:51:01 <Osai> I voted for Marks plan now 19:51:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 19:51:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> isee 19:51:08 <Osai> though I liked Techinica's too 19:51:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont get techinicas 19:51:18 <Osai> but that cluster might look funny 19:51:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> the SRNW - wtf 19:51:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> srnw from transfer to drop 19:51:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is not srnw 19:51:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> maybe I just dont get it 19:51:53 <^Spike^> could be.. 19:51:58 <PublicServer> <0sai> I think he meant the things mentioned in Marks article?! 19:52:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> I doubt it 19:53:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> that wouldnt be any more clear, would it ? I just dont see the point in applying SRNW between two stations ... that is on pickup with overflow and drop 19:54:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> ... anyways Marks plan will be hell so I am absolutelly decided who to vote for :D 19:54:32 <Osai> !tweet Building phase at PSG 172 will start soon! 19:54:43 <PublicServer> Osai: Tweet sent: http://twitter.com/openttdcoop 19:55:11 <bimbo> !password 19:55:11 <PublicServer> bimbo: mousse 19:55:26 <PublicServer> *** bimbo joined the game 19:55:27 <V453000> what is that tweet? 19:55:29 <PublicServer> <0sai> err 19:55:36 <PublicServer> <bimbo> hello guys, i would like to spectate u :) 19:55:36 <V453000> 503 19:55:38 <PublicServer> <0sai> did I write Mark? 19:55:41 <V453000> hi bimbo 19:55:50 <PublicServer> <bimbo> ive read alot today @ ur wiki 19:55:55 <PublicServer> <Techinica> nice :P 19:55:56 <V453000> yeah you did :D that is because I laughed 19:56:01 <PublicServer> <bimbo> and im very interested how u do this :D 19:56:13 <PublicServer> <0sai> ouch - brainfsck 19:56:22 <PublicServer> <0sai> hey bimbo 19:56:25 <V453000> bimbo: unluckily we are just going to start so there is nothing yet ... see the savegames in the archives though! 19:56:33 <PublicServer> <0sai> we are currently in the planning phase 19:56:42 <PublicServer> <0sai> you see a lot of different ideas how to solve this map 19:56:44 <PublicServer> <bimbo> ic, ive read about that ;) 19:56:55 <PublicServer> <0sai> and we now vote for one 19:57:00 <PublicServer> <0sai> this process takes a little bit 19:57:05 <PublicServer> <0sai> but I think we will start soon 19:57:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think we should start today :p 19:57:23 <PublicServer> <Techinica> Mark's plan is gathering steam... 19:57:34 <roysvork> Sorry been making some food 19:57:43 <PublicServer> <Techinica> Being that I can't vote for my own, I may aswell vote for his so we can start building :P 19:57:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> hey Techinica, nice to catch you finally ... could you explain me something from your plan? 19:58:02 *** Polygon has joined #openttdcoop 19:58:03 <Techinica> sure 19:58:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> what does that SRNW mean ... is it just between the transfer and the drop? 19:58:28 <Techinica> yes. 19:58:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> but ... why 19:58:47 <roysvork> Re: developing features... I'm sure you could come up with an advanced type of signalling that encompasses some of the logic you guys use without the data tracks 19:59:02 <Techinica> last time we tried we ran into issues with the srnw sucking money... 19:59:10 <Techinica> I figured this time would be a good chance to do two things. 19:59:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> geez :D that was because the inflation went mad 19:59:25 <Techinica> 1. test better high capacity station designs 20:00:00 <Techinica> 2. test whether its good business sense to build such networks by operating small controlled high flow networks 20:00:31 <Techinica> atleast by building them at drops you're practically guaranteeing the availabilty of cargo 20:00:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah but I mean I dont get the whole purpose of SRNW there ... SRNW is being used to manage multiple industries and keep them served without checking each station but jut the overflow depot ... therefore making it a living network ... 20:00:46 <Techinica> and by making them smaller you're minimizing the amount of overflow trains needed 20:01:38 <Techinica> you'd use the SRNW concept to keep all the station platforms filled at the transfer to maximise station efficiency 20:01:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh so 20:02:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> hmmm that is not needed I think 20:02:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> you can just add and overflow 20:02:19 <jondisti> if you ask me that's not SRNW 20:02:34 <Mark> !password 20:02:34 <PublicServer> Mark: irater 20:02:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> no that is not 20:02:53 <PublicServer> *** Mark joined the game 20:02:54 <PublicServer> <Mark> evening 20:02:57 <PublicServer> *** jondisti joined the game 20:02:58 <PublicServer> <0sai> hey Mark :) 20:02:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> and you dont need any there 20:03:00 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 20:03:06 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop 20:03:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 20:03:29 <roysvork> awwww man, I'm a massive muppet 20:03:33 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 20:03:33 <V453000> hi Mark :) 20:03:40 <roysvork> I bought all the ingredients for spag bol 20:03:43 <Techinica> this wasn't meant to be the 'ultimate' srnw, more a sandbox for new station designs with a solid amount of cargo coming in. 20:03:51 <roysvork> except the damn mince 20:04:02 <Techinica> such that a blockage in the srnw network wouldn't screw the incoming freight. 20:04:04 <[com]buster> !download win32 20:04:04 <PublicServer> [com]buster: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r18669/openttd-trunk-r18669-windows-win32.zip 20:04:12 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 20:04:22 <Techinica> which would have meant less issues in attempting to make better stations. 20:04:33 <V453000> hmmm 20:04:39 *** Zarenor has joined #openttdcoop 20:04:48 <V453000> okay :) 20:04:58 <Techinica> which by the massive station re-design of the last game was seemingly the biggest issue. 20:05:03 <V453000> anyways ... seen PSG160? 20:05:15 <V453000> that wasnt the biggest issue 20:05:35 <PublicServer> *** Combuster joined the game 20:05:40 <Techinica> the station exit was killing that whole network 20:05:44 <Zarenor> !password 20:05:44 <PublicServer> Zarenor: irater 20:05:49 <V453000> at PSG 160 there is the paper pickup a station with overflow ... works fine for the same purpose 20:05:54 <V453000> yes, exit 20:05:59 <V453000> but that was the drop station 20:06:18 <PublicServer> *** ZarenorDarkstalker joined the game 20:06:19 <V453000> regular station, not different from a normal one, nor from a SRNW one 20:06:22 <PublicServer> <Combuster> No winner declared yet? 20:06:33 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 20:06:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> I think we could declare already 20:07:11 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Plan winner? 20:07:16 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I'd like to 20:07:28 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Mark is far and away in the lead 20:07:43 <PublicServer> <0sai> yea 20:07:49 <PublicServer> <Combuster> The winner is obvious indeed 20:07:59 <PublicServer> <bimbo> Guys, im wondering what TF means? Could ya explain to me? :P 20:08:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> done 20:08:05 <PublicServer> <0sai> terraform 20:08:06 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Terraform 20:08:06 <[com]buster> @tf 20:08:06 <Webster> tf: Terraform, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Terraforming 20:08:10 <PublicServer> <bimbo> ooh 20:08:11 <PublicServer> <bimbo> ic xD 20:08:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> this "AnswerStorm" will start everytime you ask as everyone answers :D :P 20:09:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> so ... shouldnt we start buildin? 20:09:11 <PublicServer> <bimbo> haha well ty for all the responses ;) 20:09:18 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> gets worse when people have different answers XD 20:09:19 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop 20:09:21 <PublicServer> <bimbo> lol 20:09:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> :DDD 20:09:25 <[com]buster> hehe 20:09:27 <[com]buster> Mark 20:09:47 <PublicServer> <Techinica> so, what's going on with the website? 20:09:47 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 20:09:49 <[com]buster> your leadership is desiredin these times of difficulty :) 20:09:59 <PublicServer> <Mark> well just go make the ML :P 20:10:07 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 20:10:08 <PublicServer> <Mark> stay 10 tiles from the edge 20:10:17 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 20:10:20 <Osai> Techinica: with the website? 20:10:22 <Combuster> @stage building 20:10:22 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #172 (r18669) | STAGE: building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart & !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder" 20:10:33 <Osai> whats wrong? 20:10:48 <Techinica> yeah, the www. prefix redirects to blog. which in-turn goes to a plesk setup page... 20:10:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> lets get some maize 20:11:10 <Osai> grrrrr 20:11:11 <Techinica> wiki. works. 20:11:11 <Osai> fuck 20:11:12 <Osai> :D 20:11:16 <Osai> its me 20:11:18 <Osai> sorry 20:11:19 <Techinica> :) 20:11:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> shall we bomb Wendtown or go around? 20:11:52 <Techinica> nah, its cool... I do enough web-related stuff myself to know how easy this sort of thing happens. 20:12:00 <PublicServer> *** Spike joined the game 20:12:52 *** Lillefix has joined #openttdcoop 20:13:09 <Osai> should work again 20:13:38 <Techinica> getting your world ;) 20:13:42 <Techinica> This is Osais Area 20:13:46 <^Spike^> Osai ..... 20:13:51 <^Spike^> Not Found 20:13:51 <^Spike^> The requested URL /2009/12/30/efficient-stations-and-tight-packed-train-streams/ was not found on this server. 20:14:00 <^Spike^> debian etch.... old.. ;) 20:14:34 <Techinica> he's playing ;) 20:14:37 <Osai> aww, give it some seconds 20:14:46 <Osai> I wanted to set up the new stuff already 20:14:48 <Osai> but it changed DNS 20:14:49 <Osai> -.- 20:14:51 <Osai> I hate it 20:15:58 <^Spike^> ;) 20:16:01 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 20:16:45 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 20:18:58 <PublicServer> <0sai> how far are SL away from ML? 20:19:14 <PublicServer> <Mark> you mean the spacing? 20:19:16 <PublicServer> <0sai> I guess 30 tiles as well 20:19:18 <PublicServer> <0sai> yes 20:19:23 <PublicServer> <Mark> good question 20:19:47 <PublicServer> *** Combuster has left the game (connection lost) 20:20:43 *** Combuster has quit IRC 20:20:44 *** Combuster has joined #openttdcoop 20:20:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Combuster 20:21:01 <PublicServer> *** Combuster joined the game 20:21:58 <PublicServer> <0sai> we have 20:22:10 <PublicServer> <0sai> 416 tiles between the outer ML 20:22:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> /8 ? 20:22:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> cca 50 tiles for each SL? 20:22:42 <Osai> @calc 512 - ( 2*10) - ( 2*8) - (2*30) 20:22:42 <Webster> Osai: 416 20:22:58 <PublicServer> <0sai> err 20:23:00 <PublicServer> <0sai> even less 20:23:02 <Lillefix> !help 20:23:02 <PublicServer> Lillefix: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 20:23:10 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ~42 20:23:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> thats fine 20:23:23 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> for the SL 20:23:28 <Lillefix> !revision 20:23:28 <PublicServer> Lillefix: Game version is r18669 20:23:32 <Osai> @calc 512 - ( 2*10) - ( 2*8) - (2*6) - (2*30) 20:23:32 <Webster> Osai: 404 20:23:36 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> not includint it's space 20:23:43 <PublicServer> <0sai> now we do 20:24:04 <Lillefix> !password 20:24:04 <PublicServer> Lillefix: mobbed 20:24:14 <PublicServer> *** Lillefix joined the game 20:26:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> grrr fckin plantage 20:26:43 <PublicServer> <0sai> another question 20:27:05 <PublicServer> <0sai> ML is getting small every time a SL splits as far as I understand it 20:27:16 <PublicServer> <0sai> but why are SL LL_RR 20:27:18 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> the first and 3rd times 20:27:33 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> LLLLRRRR 20:27:47 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> LLLRRR twice 20:27:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 20:27:58 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> then LLRR 20:28:07 <PublicServer> <0sai> okay, but it doesn't make too much sense to me 20:28:10 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I figured because they spanned the entire map 20:28:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> why not sense? 20:28:39 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> they each have to take 1/4 of the map's <insert cargo here> a piece 20:28:45 <PublicServer> <0sai> if we have a first LL_RR sideline 20:28:59 <PublicServer> <0sai> then max 50% of the ML traffic can go there 20:29:07 <PublicServer> <0sai> same at the second 20:29:12 <Hyppy> !password 20:29:12 <PublicServer> Hyppy: mobbed 20:29:25 <PublicServer> <0sai> what are 3rd and 4th doing then? 20:29:36 <PublicServer> *** Hyppy joined the game 20:29:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> you mean it is not enough? 20:29:57 <PublicServer> <0sai> I mean it is too much 20:29:59 <PublicServer> <0sai> :D 20:30:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> no 20:30:07 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I see what you're saying.. I guess it'll depend on the traffic at each line 20:30:15 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> too much SL, not enough ML 20:30:30 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> but that's al;ways the case 20:30:37 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> look at most other standard games 20:30:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> each ML = one drop ... the SL traffic just cummulates on ML 20:31:02 <PublicServer> <jondisti> then expand ML where it's needed 20:31:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> i think LLL RRR may even fail at the second merge 20:31:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> but lets see 20:31:20 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> there's almost always more SL tracks than there are ML... that's why we eventually overtax the ML system and start over 20:31:55 <PublicServer> <0sai> anyway, how is the spacing now 20:32:02 <PublicServer> <0sai> 400 tiles - 4 sidelines 20:32:12 <PublicServer> <0sai> 101 tiles / sideline 20:32:14 *** Timmaexx has left #openttdcoop 20:32:17 <PublicServer> <Mark> well every 50 tiles 20:32:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah there has to be the other one from the other side 20:32:32 <PublicServer> <Mark> start counting from the station outwards 20:32:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> so 50 20:32:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> 8 20:33:48 <sparrL> suggestion... use roads to lay down the grid first? 20:34:02 *** Lillefix has left #openttdcoop 20:34:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> not bad idea 20:34:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> but the signs will do imo 20:34:31 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I think signs would be fine 20:34:38 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> and the SLH's won't be complex 20:34:50 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Mark: do you have a preference on the type of switcher used? 20:34:51 <PublicServer> <0sai> V453000: I already placed some signs in your area 20:35:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> I see osai :) 20:35:01 <PublicServer> <Mark> ZarenorDarkstalker: do we have more than one? 20:35:18 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I've seen two types 20:35:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> you talking about SML? 20:35:35 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> one forces one train to be waiting to switch at all times 20:35:46 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> one only allows switching if there is space 20:35:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> that blocks, doesnt it? 20:36:27 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I prefer the former, but it means that on occasion one train will be stupidly late 20:36:29 <PublicServer> <Mark> not sure what you mean, i'll throw in a SLH somewhere 20:36:35 <PublicServer> *** bimbo has left the game (connection lost) 20:36:37 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> neither of them block if tuned correctly 20:36:52 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> alright, I'll follow that example 20:37:14 *** Madis has quit IRC 20:37:25 <PublicServer> <Mark> SLH01 is WIP 20:38:23 <PublicServer> <Combuster> fruit drop ready 20:38:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> maize too 20:39:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah just the proper SML :) 20:39:54 <Hyppy> Beautiful drop, Combuster :-) 20:39:57 <PublicServer> <0sai> yep 20:40:24 <PublicServer> <0sai> Combuster: you 'could' use PBS for the exit areas 20:40:42 <PublicServer> *** Combuster has left the game (connection lost) 20:41:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> Mark: That was fast 20:41:11 <Hyppy> Are you guys going to block off the towns this game? 20:41:16 <PublicServer> <Mark> :) 20:41:23 <PublicServer> <Mark> no, we just disable growth :) 20:41:39 *** aapie has joined #openttdcoop 20:41:46 <aapie> !password 20:41:46 <PublicServer> aapie: decked 20:41:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> Mark: so the SLH ??? for maize should be at the "50" sign? 20:41:55 <Osai> ^Spike^: the blog should be up again? 20:42:03 <PublicServer> *** bimbo joined the game 20:42:07 <PublicServer> <Mark> V453000: yes 20:42:08 <PublicServer> <Techinica> yeah, it is 20:42:12 <PublicServer> <Techinica> osai 20:42:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 20:42:12 <Osai> good 20:42:14 <PublicServer> <Mark> and then at 150, 250, 350 20:42:16 <PublicServer> <Mark> so not at 100 20:42:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 20:42:18 *** Combuster has quit IRC 20:42:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> I know that 20:42:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> but thanks :) 20:42:31 *** Combuster has joined #openttdcoop 20:42:31 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Combuster 20:43:31 <PublicServer> <Mark> i just realiseh my SLH has one input track too many 20:43:33 <PublicServer> <0sai> Mark, TL is 3? 20:43:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> 5 20:43:37 <PublicServer> <Mark> 5 20:43:38 <PublicServer> *** Combuster joined the game 20:43:48 <PublicServer> <0sai> is your SLH correct then? 20:43:55 <PublicServer> <Mark> yep 20:43:55 <PublicServer> *** Spike has joined company #1 20:44:03 *** bimbo has quit IRC 20:44:05 <PublicServer> <0sai> okay 20:44:07 <PublicServer> <0sai> yea 20:44:10 <PublicServer> <0sai> see it 20:44:14 <PublicServer> <0sai> thx 20:44:18 <PublicServer> <Mark> :) 20:45:11 <PublicServer> <0sai> Mark, do you want only one input, or two? 20:45:20 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> is rubber drop to be the same as the others? 20:45:21 <PublicServer> <Mark> for SLHs? 20:45:22 <PublicServer> <0sai> yes 20:45:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> wow so slow prio? 20:45:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> *short 20:45:34 <PublicServer> <Mark> V453000: 13 tiles 20:45:42 <PublicServer> <Mark> 7 tiles for shifting 20:45:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 20:45:47 <PublicServer> <Mark> yeah 20:45:49 <PublicServer> <Mark> TL+2 20:45:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok then 20:45:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 20:46:43 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 20:46:57 <Hyppy> TL+2 on either side of the diagonal track, that is? 20:47:05 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> track is going anticlockwise right? 20:47:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> Royswork: could you say that? :D 20:47:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> the outer CCW, the inner CW ;) 20:47:43 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I can ask as much as I like cos I'm a noob :) 20:48:31 <PublicServer> <Lillefix> Roys, me too. I find it fascinating watching these guys build :p 20:48:43 <PublicServer> <bimbo> same here xD 20:48:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> hey we are no ZOO :D 20:49:03 *** Intexon has joined #openttdcoop 20:49:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> :p 20:49:04 <PublicServer> <0sai> haha :P 20:49:05 <PublicServer> <Combuster> now, where did that (...) trainshed go 20:50:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> should I name it for example SLH M 01 as it is Maize network? 20:50:14 <PublicServer> <Mark> yeah good idea 20:50:44 <Osai> !help 20:50:44 <PublicServer> Osai: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 20:50:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> what is that? 20:50:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh the SL :D 20:50:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok :D 20:50:57 <PublicServer> <Mark> :) 20:51:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am kinda slow today I see :D 20:51:09 <Osai> @tunnels 20:51:09 <Webster> Osai: (tunnels <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo For trainlength : <[math calc (2*)-4]needs 2,[math calc (2*)-3]-[math calc (3*)-2]needs 3,[math calc (3*)-1]-[math calc (4*)]needs 4.". 20:51:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> destroy the lake I guess 20:52:02 <Osai> @tunnels 5 11 20:52:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> or at least the stuff I need to 20:52:29 <PublicServer> <0sai> grr 20:52:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> Osai: 2 should suffice, shouldnt it? 20:52:37 <PublicServer> <0sai> what are the parameters for that tunnels commd 20:52:43 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 20:53:15 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 20:53:36 <PublicServer> <0sai> nice, the @tunnels cmd fails with the same input :D 20:53:53 <jondisti> !tunnels 5 11 20:53:53 <PublicServer> jondisti: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 5 and gap 11. 20:54:00 <PublicServer> <0sai> V453000: as you see, two are enough :D 20:54:07 *** Phazorx has left #openttdcoop 20:54:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> it was obvious 20:54:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> if you know that you need 2 for max. 9 of TL 3 20:54:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> ;) 20:54:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> but 9 is crappy I think 20:54:36 <PublicServer> <0sai> if :P 20:54:45 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:54:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> whatever :D 20:54:58 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> is there a reason the fruit drop doesn't have as many platforms as the maize drop? 20:55:15 <PublicServer> <jondisti> different builder 20:55:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> maize drop has 6 for each, fruit 5 20:55:34 <PublicServer> <Techinica> because 'about' 5 is 'usually' enough 20:55:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> I doubt Combuster would make it wrong 20:56:07 <PublicServer> <Combuster> :) 20:56:17 <PublicServer> <Mark> i think we'll be able to fill 5 20:56:18 <PublicServer> <Techinica> All those platforms have extra choices aswell.. 20:56:21 <PublicServer> <Combuster> I'm still rusty though 20:56:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah 6 is kinda overkill 20:56:39 <PublicServer> <Techinica> or, nvm. 20:57:03 <PublicServer> <Mark> remember the outer line will probably have a 5 tile train every 7 tiles 20:57:09 <PublicServer> <Mark> possibly for hundreds in a row 20:57:23 <PublicServer> <Mark> inner that is 20:57:53 <PublicServer> <0sai> means, we need something like the shiftback feature :D 20:57:55 <PublicServer> <0sai> haha 20:58:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> :d 20:58:11 <PublicServer> <0sai> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2008/02/05/sml-shiftback/ 20:58:29 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 20:59:02 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 20:59:34 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 20:59:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> sould there be a 4->2 at the SLH? 21:00:04 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> is there a certain length a diagonal can be before it slows a train down and counts as a turn? 21:00:12 <Intexon> !password 21:00:12 <PublicServer> Intexon: regale 21:00:14 <PublicServer> <0sai> yes 21:00:22 <PublicServer> *** Intexon joined the game 21:00:27 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I thought so, but is it a minimum or a maximum] 21:00:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> put it like that: the train must be as long as the curve ... moreless ... 21:01:03 <PublicServer> <Combuster> in most cases, curves must be at least the train's length to not slow them down 21:01:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> or slow enough not to reach the maximum speed 21:01:07 <PublicServer> <bimbo> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:Curve_speeds1.png 21:01:10 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> ahhh gotcha 21:01:17 <PublicServer> <bimbo> ^^ 21:01:27 <PublicServer> <0sai> V453000: yes, we need a certain 4>2 21:01:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah I thought so 21:01:45 <PublicServer> <0sai> but remember we have SRNW 21:02:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> but both lines on the SL have the same cargo 21:02:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> not like in #121 21:02:32 <PublicServer> <0sai> and we also should have a 4>3 21:02:35 <PublicServer> <0sai> for the ML 21:02:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh 21:02:42 <PublicServer> <0sai> not that easy :D 21:02:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> goddamn 21:02:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> I hate merging 21:03:20 <PublicServer> <0sai> hmm 21:03:22 <PublicServer> <0sai> idea 21:03:41 <PublicServer> <0sai> why not bringing one stream from the ML completely into the SL 21:03:52 <PublicServer> <0sai> then you don't need the 4>3 21:04:06 <PublicServer> <0sai> and then merging is only 3>2 for the SL 21:04:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> we could SML it 21:04:11 <PublicServer> <0sai> instead of 4>2 21:04:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh so 21:04:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> hmmm 21:04:43 <PublicServer> <0sai> but do what you want :) 21:05:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am really bad at making merges 21:05:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> so ... 21:05:15 <PublicServer> <Mark> just use SML for the ML merges 21:05:16 <PublicServer> *** Spike has left the game (leaving) 21:05:24 <PublicServer> <Mark> threat the inner line as a SL 21:05:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> I agree :) 21:05:42 <PublicServer> <0sai> Mark, you didn't reduce to 3 lines either 21:05:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> SML is kinda magic savior for me as it is simple :D 21:06:27 <PublicServer> <Techinica> nice candy there Combuster 21:06:30 <PublicServer> <Mark> i just realised trains from SLH01 can't get to the outer lanes 21:06:33 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 21:06:42 <V453000> !password 21:06:42 <PublicServer> V453000: regale 21:06:47 <PublicServer> <Mark> unless someone adds choices to the station 21:06:55 <V453000> DAMN THAT IS TRUE 21:06:56 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 21:07:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> hell yeah 21:07:09 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> another set of shifters? 21:07:18 <PublicServer> <Mark> why? :) 21:07:29 <PublicServer> <Mark> we're not adding traffic later on anyway 21:08:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> I did it like this the 21:08:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> then 21:08:38 <Hyppy> Poor Sentbridge got obliterated! 21:09:54 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> hmmm somehow I've ended up with a strange number of lines lol 21:10:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> where? 21:10:12 <PublicServer> <Techinica> rubber drop 21:10:19 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> check out my rubber drop attempts :) 21:10:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> hmmm 21:10:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> each line has different lines 21:11:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> (different number) 21:11:15 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> 5-4-4-5 21:11:28 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> yeah 21:11:36 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> thats gonna screw things up I guess? 21:11:41 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> well.. 21:11:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> 4 could be low 21:11:53 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> it'd depend on the orientation of the station 21:12:04 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> and 5 each are probably minimum 21:12:14 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I'll add another one each side then that should sort it 21:12:19 *** Phazorx has joined #openttdcoop 21:12:25 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> unless my design is just lame : ) 21:12:58 <PublicServer> <Techinica> as I understood, your station shouldn't be any closer than 10 tiles to the edge of the map either 21:13:12 <PublicServer> <Techinica> though, that's not really noted on the plan. 21:13:13 <PublicServer> <jondisti> actually it should be where Sentbridge is now 21:13:30 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> yeah I wasn't entirely sure what to do about that 21:13:36 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> it's right in the way 21:13:40 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> which is why i started where I did 21:14:25 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> Just gonna tree&tear? 21:16:16 <PublicServer> <Combuster> well, I'm off for the night 21:16:20 <PublicServer> <0sai> nite nite 21:16:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> bye :) 21:16:26 *** sietse has joined #openttdcoop 21:16:29 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> laters man 21:16:32 <PublicServer> <Mark> cya 21:16:33 <PublicServer> <Combuster> I hope my eyecandy works as expected 21:16:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 21:16:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> its nice 21:16:59 <sietse> !password 21:17:00 <PublicServer> sietse: tenets 21:17:00 <PublicServer> *** jondisti has left the game (leaving) 21:17:06 *** jondisti has quit IRC 21:17:12 <PublicServer> *** Sietse joined the game 21:17:40 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 21:17:42 <PublicServer> <Mark> off too, g'night 21:17:47 <V453000> night 21:17:56 <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (leaving) 21:17:58 <PublicServer> *** Combuster has left the game (leaving) 21:17:59 <V453000> goddamnit my wifi is really wild today 21:18:06 <V453000> !password 21:18:06 <PublicServer> V453000: tenets 21:18:20 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 21:18:36 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> so I'm all good to just destroy sentbridge then yarr? 21:18:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 21:19:11 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> schweeet 21:21:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> call me RETARD from now on please 21:21:54 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> for what? 21:22:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> about 30 minutes ago I was talking with mark that the SLH02 for maize will be at "150" not "100" and I say of course I know that and so on ... and now BANG SLH02 at 100 21:22:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> omfg 21:23:10 <PublicServer> <0sai> ouch :D 21:24:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> goddamint 21:24:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> and now a freakin mine here 21:24:54 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> did you have to go down to three lanes at the top because of the town? 21:25:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> no 21:25:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> because 4 will no longer be needed 21:25:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is in the plan 21:25:21 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> ahhh sorry 21:25:30 <PublicServer> *** Lillefix has left the game (connection lost) 21:25:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> ;) no problem feel free to ask 21:25:38 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> so we swapped lane dfrom the plan 21:25:39 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> ? 21:25:44 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> *lanes 21:25:47 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> or SL config 21:25:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> we didnt swap anything 21:26:12 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Maise is now runnign at 50, 150, 250, yes? 21:26:16 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> it does say L_L_L30R_R_R 21:26:17 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> *Maize 21:26:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 21:26:27 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> which means fruit runs 100,200,300 21:26:34 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> plan it's the other way 21:26:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> yea 21:26:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> exactly 21:26:45 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> fruit goes farthest right 21:26:50 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> or.. south 21:27:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> ? 21:27:07 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Just checking where before I place a SLH 21:27:13 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> on the plan 21:27:28 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> fruit has the southermost SL 21:27:35 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> as built now 21:27:38 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Maize does 21:27:43 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> which is fine 21:27:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> Osai: could you please add more signs? 21:27:49 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> non-issue 21:27:55 <PublicServer> <0sai> sure 21:28:01 *** Madis has joined #openttdcoop 21:28:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> thanks 21:28:06 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Just clarifying 21:28:19 <PublicServer> <0sai> but all signs are there 21:28:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> not here 21:28:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> the other lines 21:28:41 <PublicServer> <0sai> the other ML? 21:28:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 21:28:47 <PublicServer> <0sai> k 21:28:53 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> is there a way to count sqaures, like a measuring tool or something? 21:28:59 <PeterT> yes 21:29:02 <PublicServer> <0sai> V453000: I signed yours with X 21:29:03 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> just the drag tool, then cancel 21:29:04 <PublicServer> <0sai> :D 21:29:05 <PeterT> Advanced settings 21:29:13 <PeterT> Interface, or something 21:29:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> Osai: I know which to use, but thanks :) 21:30:24 <PeterT> @coopstats 21:30:25 <Webster> http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/stats.html 21:31:56 <Hyppy> Roy, you give up on the drop? 21:32:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> seems so 21:34:31 <Hyppy> I hope he's happy. Sentbridge's 0 residents find him appalling. 21:34:40 <Phazorx> how come we at 172 already what happened to 171? 21:34:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> 171 was fast 21:34:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> RV only 21:35:19 <PublicServer> *** Intexon has left the game (connection lost) 21:36:06 *** Lillefix has joined #openttdcoop 21:36:12 <Lillefix> !password 21:36:12 <PublicServer> Lillefix: scowls 21:36:19 *** Yexo_ has joined #openttdcoop 21:36:32 <PublicServer> *** Lillefix has left the game (connection lost) 21:36:58 <PublicServer> *** Lillefix joined the game 21:36:59 *** Intexon has quit IRC 21:37:37 <PublicServer> *** Lillefix has left the game (connection lost) 21:38:01 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> thanks for signalling up my track whoever that was :) 21:38:05 <PublicServer> *** Lillefix joined the game 21:38:17 *** Yexo_ has quit IRC 21:38:22 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> sorry if I built over the SL place too 21:38:35 *** Yexo_ has joined #openttdcoop 21:38:46 *** Yexo is now known as Guest684 21:38:47 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 21:40:41 <PublicServer> *** Lillefix has left the game (connection lost) 21:41:10 *** Lillefix has left #openttdcoop 21:42:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> whoever digs near that factory: note that there will be LL_RR only 21:42:39 <PublicServer> <0sai> check my funny !sideline crossings :> 21:42:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> already did :) 21:42:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> nice 21:42:52 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> thats me... why's that? 21:43:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> DESYYYYYYNCH!!! though :p 21:43:06 <Hyppy> Love it! 21:43:26 <PublicServer> <0sai> V453000: the bigger one? 21:43:33 *** Guest684 has quit IRC 21:43:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> it desynchs, doesnt it? 21:43:43 <PublicServer> <0sai> the one with out double bridges is cool 21:43:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh 21:43:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah that is 21:44:55 <Hyppy> Yeah, the smaller one thats in-network would break the 2-signal distance spacing, wouldn't it? Is that what you guys mean by desynch? 21:45:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> no 21:45:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> desynch is the other one 21:45:18 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> that's signal gap 21:45:21 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> desynch is.. 21:45:28 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> I'll sign it 21:45:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> when the double bridges are each different lengths 21:45:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> follow ZarenorD :) 21:46:38 <PublicServer> *** tkjacobsen has left the game (leaving) 21:47:21 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (connection lost) 21:47:42 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> Hyppy: You see the signage? 21:47:54 <Phazorx> PublicServer <V453000> 171 was fast RV only 21:48:10 <Phazorx> lol, may be we should rethink our aproach 21:48:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> tes, did I say something else? 21:48:30 <Phazorx> apparently you can do same what we do with rail in 2 days with RVs 21:48:45 <Hyppy> Ahh, I see. So if the rails on one side split from LL to become L__L, it would be okay, since each section of the merging tracks would be equal in length? 21:48:47 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> it was a 256^2 21:48:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 21:48:56 <PublicServer> <ZarenorDarkstalker> right... 21:49:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> RV is not so much fun Phazorx: p 21:49:22 <Phazorx> Zarenor i know TTT games that had 500 trains on 256^2 21:49:32 <Phazorx> and i know RV games which were fun :) 21:49:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont say RV isnt fun 21:49:46 <PublicServer> *** slas joined the game 21:49:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> but trains are just better ;) 21:49:50 <PublicServer> <0sai> Hyppy: A=B 21:49:57 <PublicServer> <0sai> but C>D 21:50:02 <PublicServer> <0sai> while A=D 21:50:10 <Hyppy> Absolutely, I understand now. 21:50:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 21:50:46 <PublicServer> <0sai> I wrote an article on the blog about that 21:50:50 <PublicServer> <0sai> but blog seems to be down :( 21:51:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes its down :( 21:51:15 <PublicServer> <0sai> grrr 21:51:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> FOOOOOK 21:51:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> and now city 21:51:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> grrrrr 21:51:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> obstacles 21:51:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> obstacles 21:51:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> obstacles 21:54:06 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> You can build another part of a station within a certain number of squares without physically walking it all the way yes? 21:54:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 21:54:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> just ctrl click 21:54:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> when building the station 21:54:55 <PublicServer> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 21:55:02 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I'll give it a go 21:55:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 21:55:34 <PublicServer> *** ZarenorDarkstalker has left the game (leaving) 21:56:02 *** mib_vdrjmcwk22l2 has joined #openttdcoop 21:56:16 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> !password 21:56:17 <PublicServer> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: Please, read the rules! 21:56:39 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> !password 21:56:40 <PublicServer> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: Please, read the rules! 21:56:51 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> Ta : ) 21:56:54 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> !help 21:56:54 <PublicServer> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 21:57:25 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> !rules 21:57:26 <PublicServer> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Ruleset 21:58:27 <PublicServer> <0sai> I'll remove the old plans 21:58:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 21:58:43 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> so here's a question... how will the drop stations handling the merging of traffic from three lanes to four? 21:58:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> ? 21:59:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> drops will not merge 4 to 3 21:59:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> nor 3 tp 4 21:59:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> simply 4 to 4 21:59:18 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> how can i get the password, the site wont load and this IRC wont let me have it 21:59:22 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> currently they're built with 4 incoming tracks and the ML is 3x3? 21:59:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> after the hub it is 3 3 21:59:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> we say LLL_RRR 22:00:19 *** mib_vdrjmcwk22l2 has left #openttdcoop 22:00:40 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> ok so all the stations need to be LLLL_RRRR roro? 22:00:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 22:00:50 *** mib_vdrjmcwk22l2 has joined #openttdcoop 22:01:00 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> thanks again, I'll get there eventually : ) 22:01:12 <Hyppy> Well, guys, it has been absolutely fascinating. Hope to see some more goodness tomorrow! 22:01:19 <PublicServer> *** Hyppy has left the game (leaving) 22:01:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) bye 22:01:25 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> laters 22:01:35 *** Hyppy has quit IRC 22:02:19 *** siil has quit IRC 22:02:49 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> !password 22:02:49 <PublicServer> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: Please, read the rules! 22:03:06 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> i cant, the website is down 22:03:27 <Osai> yea 22:03:28 <PeterT> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: You realize that's a bot that you just replied to? 22:03:29 <Osai> :/ 22:03:46 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> yes i do, just hoping someone would help me out with what rules I need to read 22:03:59 <PeterT> @quickstart 22:04:08 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> with the website down? 22:04:08 <V453000> http://www.openttdcoop.ammler.ch/wiki/Main_Page does this work? 22:04:09 <Webster> timed out - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 22:04:34 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> nope, neither load anything 22:04:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> pff 22:04:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> what the hell 22:04:48 <PeterT> even webster says it's timed out 22:05:59 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> can anybody just give the password? 22:06:19 <^Spike^> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2 start with changing your nick 22:06:19 <Techinica> just use the !password command 22:06:35 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> the password command comes back telling me to read the rules 22:06:45 <PublicServer> *** bimbo has left the game (leaving) 22:06:47 <^Spike^> rule 1: Change your nick 22:06:51 <Techinica> try @quickstart :) 22:06:58 <^Spike^> Techinica same problem 22:07:00 <^Spike^> wiki down :) 22:07:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 22:07:07 <Techinica> ah 22:07:10 *** aapie has quit IRC 22:07:34 <^Spike^> but like i said.. it starts with changing your nick 22:07:48 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> right, has this worked? 22:07:49 *** pugi has quit IRC 22:07:50 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> no 22:07:51 <mib_vdrjmcwk22l2> hang on 22:08:15 <PeterT> !password 22:08:16 <PublicServer> PeterT: canoed 22:08:20 <PeterT> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: canoed 22:08:25 *** Fuco has quit IRC 22:08:33 <PeterT> !tell mib_vdrjmcwk22l2 !password 22:08:33 <PublicServer> mib_vdrjmcwk22l2: Please, read the rules! 22:08:38 <PeterT> hmm, that doesn't work 22:08:41 <PeterT> sorry bout that 22:08:46 <PublicServer> *** Player joined the game 22:08:47 <Webster> Player, please change your in game nick 22:09:16 <PublicServer> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 22:09:43 <PublicServer> *** danm joined the game 22:09:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok gentlemen, Maize ML is done 22:09:50 *** mib_vdrjmcwk22l2 has quit IRC 22:09:58 <PublicServer> <danm> thankyou whoever posted the pword 22:10:12 <PublicServer> <0sai> nice 22:10:16 <PublicServer> <0sai> now we need maize 22:10:30 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> ahhh ffs 22:10:33 <^Spike^> danm 22:10:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> I would prefer to finish the others first to be honest 22:11:06 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 22:11:06 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I must insist that I take over the crown of retard 22:11:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> NO 22:11:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> MY CROWN! 22:11:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> what went wrong buddy? 22:11:53 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I just built a whole station, and then realised I'd forgotton to join them lol 22:12:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh 22:12:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 22:12:06 *** Madis has quit IRC 22:12:06 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> and I also thought that buying up the land would need rating :) 22:13:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok it should not grow now :D 22:13:31 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> nope, bought too much I think 22:13:38 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> or do we just bribe it? 22:13:40 <PeterT> <danm> thankyou whoever posted the pword <-- That would be me 22:13:50 <PublicServer> <danm> thankyou peter 22:14:31 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> Is bribing the LA the done thing then? 22:15:10 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 22:15:11 *** Ammler has quit IRC 22:17:17 <Osai> well 22:17:20 <Osai> its time for my bed 22:17:25 <Osai> good night coopers 22:18:12 <^Spike^> cya.. server wrecker.. ;) 22:18:23 <Osai> it wasn't me this time ;) 22:18:31 <^Spike^> that's what every sysadmin says.. ;) 22:18:48 <^Spike^> i even got a shirt saying: Therapy has thaught me Nothing is my fault 22:18:49 <^Spike^> :) 22:19:07 <Osai> and you have to wear it every day? 22:19:24 <V453000> cya 22:19:28 <^Spike^> almost.. ;) 22:19:31 <Osai> :P 22:19:37 <Osai> thought so 22:20:42 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop 22:20:42 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Ammler 22:21:01 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop 22:22:30 <PublicServer> <0sai> V453000: the final stations could be Terminus 22:22:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> we need oveflow 22:23:14 <PublicServer> <0sai> full speed overflow? 22:23:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> depends 22:23:27 <PublicServer> <0sai> :D 22:23:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> probably not 22:23:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh you mean this one 22:23:44 <PublicServer> <0sai> well, at least the station could be Terminus 22:23:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> you mean this 22:24:16 <PublicServer> <0sai> yea 22:24:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> okay :) 22:24:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> that could be :) 22:25:09 <PublicServer> <0sai> but its on the wrong side now 22:25:10 <PublicServer> <0sai> :> 22:25:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> does it matter which side overflow is on? 22:25:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> the stations are going to be on both sides anywas, dont they? 22:25:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> k they dont hav to 22:26:26 <sam_ch> !password 22:26:26 <PublicServer> sam_ch: suburb 22:26:35 <PublicServer> *** Sam joined the game 22:26:46 <PublicServer> <Sam> hi ! 22:26:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi 22:26:55 <PublicServer> *** Techinica has left the game (leaving) 22:26:58 *** Techinica has quit IRC 22:27:00 <PublicServer> <Sam> oh oh lots of rails 22:27:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah 22:27:42 <PublicServer> <Sam> now i got to figure out how this works... 22:27:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> good luck with it 22:28:00 <PublicServer> <Sam> lol 22:28:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> wiki is down 22:28:23 <PublicServer> <Sam> as usual ;) 22:28:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> hey 22:31:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> Sam: I can send you PSG 121 savegame which is basically the same as this is going to be ... so you can understand how it works 22:31:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> as you will not probably download it from the wiki 22:32:10 <PublicServer> <Sam> that would be great ! 22:32:38 <V453000> I will upload it somewhere 22:33:00 <PublicServer> <Sam> thanks 22:33:07 <V453000> want anything more to the .zip? 22:33:34 <V453000> could send you my savegames ;� 22:33:52 <sam_ch> if they're worth it yeah 22:34:27 *** Hyppy has joined #openttdcoop 22:34:32 <Hyppy> !password 22:34:32 <PublicServer> Hyppy: irises 22:34:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will mainly send you also PSG 157 which is for me someting like the Ultimate Game 22:35:18 <PublicServer> <Sam> nice 22:35:32 <PublicServer> *** Hyppy joined the game 22:36:03 <PublicServer> <Sam> well i do understand the srnw concept (although don't ask me to build one) 22:36:11 <V453000> ok 22:36:13 <V453000> nice 22:36:16 <PublicServer> <Sam> but mark's plan is crazy 22:37:51 <Hyppy> I'm nowhere near as skilled as the lot of you, but is there anything minor I can help out with? 22:37:57 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> part of your station appears to be a rubber plantation V 22:38:12 <V453000> where do you want to upload it? 22:38:19 <PublicServer> <Sam> no monorail/maglev ?? 22:38:23 <V453000> Roysvork: it will be closed before we start hopefully 22:38:50 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> ahh good oh 22:39:36 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 22:39:46 <V453000> Sam: no monorail no maglev 22:40:04 <PublicServer> <Sam> reason ? 22:40:31 <V453000> trainset 22:40:37 <PublicServer> <Sam> ok 22:40:43 <V453000> Tropic Refurbishment Set has erail only 22:40:47 <V453000> 251 kmh though 22:41:18 <V453000> which was the fastest (USABLE) train for erail until TD DP+ trainset came 22:41:23 <PublicServer> *** danm has left the game (leaving) 22:41:31 <V453000> (I dont count AsiaStar as usable) 22:41:45 <Hyppy> why not? 22:42:02 <V453000> low power 22:42:12 <V453000> terrible acceleration 22:42:25 <V453000> two heads so doubling is bad 22:42:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> the design of the train is godly though 22:42:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> I love its look 22:43:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> but others are nice too :) 22:44:09 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> is the mainline in the north really going to go over that hill? 22:44:16 <V453000> Sam : the upload faild ... again on czech server ... 22:44:30 <sam_ch> i sent you my e-mail 22:44:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> Roy: why not 22:44:41 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> will it not slow it down? 22:44:55 <V453000> no 22:44:59 <PublicServer> <Sam> there is also an antenna 22:45:20 <V453000> http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/80509/Saves.ZIP_3.13MB.html 22:45:26 <Hyppy> It's the double-slope that slows down trains on hills, right? 22:45:26 <V453000> you should be easily able to download it 22:45:27 <planetmaker> roysvork: enjoy the difference between original acceleration model and 'realistic' acceleration model 22:45:33 <V453000> :D 22:45:35 <V453000> exactly pm 22:45:39 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> ahhhh 22:45:57 <V453000> btw hi pm :) didnt know you are even here 22:46:20 <planetmaker> I'm not even here. I'm switching off lights now and close the laptop ;-) 22:46:26 <planetmaker> good night in other words 22:46:28 <V453000> ok then 22:46:29 <V453000> bye 22:46:34 <sam_ch> bye 22:46:35 <V453000> I understood that :D 22:46:36 <V453000> cya 22:48:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> got it sam? 22:49:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> guys ... could you tell me why on the map are 4 stations, of which 3 are the same? :D 22:49:49 <PublicServer> *** 0sai has left the game (leaving) 22:50:37 <PublicServer> <Sam> ok V i checked PSG121 22:50:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> my favourite :) 22:50:49 <PublicServer> <Sam> you guys are crazy 22:50:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D tell that to Mark 22:51:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> his plan 22:51:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> 157 the same 22:51:11 <PublicServer> <Sam> oops plane crash 22:51:38 <Chris_Booth> !archive 22:51:38 <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive | http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/ProZone:Archive | http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/MemberZone:Archive 22:52:51 <PublicServer> <Sam> wow 157 is really nice ! 22:52:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> absolutely 22:53:33 <Hyppy> I'm a little confused on SLH C 01... Where the eastbound ML splits off, are the 4 bridge on the disappearing line necessary? 22:53:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes they are 22:53:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> the line will need to be implemented to the three 22:54:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> via SML 22:54:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will do that in a minute 22:54:45 <Hyppy> Ah gotya, so that 4th line will merge back in with the rest where it says "This line dies here". Thanks! 22:54:46 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:54:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> moreless 22:56:35 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 22:58:28 <Hyppy> Which GRF is adding the industries here? I can't seem to pick it out from the list 22:58:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> none? 22:58:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is the original 22:58:56 <Hyppy> Oh, I suppose I've just never played tropical 22:59:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> exactly 23:08:42 <Hyppy> !tunnel 5 10 23:08:42 <PublicServer> Hyppy: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 5 and gap 10. 23:09:52 <PublicServer> <Sam> no rubber station in grf ? 23:11:01 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> you still there V? 23:11:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 23:11:14 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> can you cast your eye over my signalling? 23:11:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 23:11:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> now its better 23:11:55 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> thanks :) 23:11:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> only the combo signals were wrong 23:12:04 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> Damn fiddly things 23:12:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D quite important 23:12:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> you got one CL issue there 23:12:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> let me fix 23:12:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 23:13:17 <Hyppy> CL9 is optimal for this one? 23:13:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> now you got it named and signed 23:13:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> CL 5 23:13:29 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> wooo :) 23:13:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> why 9 23:13:55 <Hyppy> Oh, I thought I read somewhere each of the "half tiles" in diagonal tracks counted 23:14:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> not really 23:14:11 *** pugi has quit IRC 23:14:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> it actually is 9 half tiles 23:14:27 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> now more pretty 23:15:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> but if you say CL 5 then you mean the number shown on the interface helper box 23:15:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> even though 9 half tiles is more accurate 23:15:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok guys 23:15:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am off 23:15:46 <Hyppy> see ya! Thanks for answering my nagging questions :-) 23:15:55 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> and mine :) 23:16:00 <PublicServer> <Sam> bye 23:16:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) very welcome, both of you 23:16:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> bye 23:16:16 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 23:18:16 <Hyppy> So, let me try and understand this... for LL__RR, it's okay to not have a space in between tracks going the same way, but once you get to LLL and more you need to have L_L_L (or more) spacing so you can more easily create tunnel splits and load balancers and the like? 23:19:12 <V453000> let me answer once more: it is ok to keep them together but when we use SML here, the spaces are needed ... so why to unspace/space it all the time when you can just make one straight line 23:19:28 <V453000> on the LL_RR there will be no SML 23:20:03 <Hyppy> Sorry if the question was asked already :-/ thanks for the help! 23:21:14 <V453000> I dont remember that question anyway ;) 23:21:18 <V453000> now really cya :) 23:21:21 <V453000> good night 23:21:28 <V453000> dont play yourselves to death! :D 23:21:31 *** V453000 has quit IRC 23:26:17 <PublicServer> *** Hyppy has left the game (leaving) 23:37:49 <PublicServer> *** slas has left the game (leaving) 23:39:34 *** Hyppy has quit IRC 23:44:17 *** Combuster has quit IRC 23:44:17 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop 23:44:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 23:44:28 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 23:45:19 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> wooo my station is done 23:45:26 <PublicServer> <Sam> where ? 23:45:40 <PublicServer> <Sam> found 23:45:41 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> right at the top... rubber drop 23:45:53 <PublicServer> <Sam> nice one :) 23:46:16 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> they're jungle gangsta rubber hoarders 23:47:01 <PublicServer> <Sam> too bad it's not on jungle 23:47:24 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> I mades my own jungle 23:47:41 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 23:47:41 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 23:47:44 <PublicServer> <Sam> ;) 23:50:04 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> you made anything? 23:50:13 <PublicServer> <Sam> yep 23:50:29 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> ahaaa 23:50:32 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> nice and neat 23:50:37 <PublicServer> <Sam> all stations are done :( 23:51:58 <PublicServer> <Sam> damn it not at the right place 23:52:08 <PublicServer> <Sam> must destroy 23:52:19 <PublicServer> <Roysvork> :'( 23:53:04 <PublicServer> <Sam> hm it's just a few tiles, maybe i'll find a solution 23:53:31 <PublicServer> <Sam> nope :( 23:53:38 <PublicServer> <Sam> bring out the bulldozer !