Log for #openttdcoop on 3rd May 2011:
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11:54:08  <ppetak> !password
11:54:08  <PublicServer> ppetak: puking
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12:56:41  <JamesGo> !dl source
12:56:41  <PublicServer> JamesGo: unknown option "source"
12:56:44  <JamesGo> !dl
12:56:44  <PublicServer> JamesGo: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x
12:56:44  <PublicServer> JamesGo:
12:57:48  <V453000> hi James :)
12:57:56  <JamesGo> Hi V453000
12:59:24  <Ammler> JamesGo: you really like to have a link to source?
12:59:34  <JamesGo> Yes, I prefer to compile it
12:59:41  <Ammler> and not using vcs?
13:00:01  <Ammler> e.g. autostart uses svn
13:00:08  <JamesGo> !dl autostart
13:00:08  <PublicServer> JamesGo:
13:00:38  <Ammler> but since .ottdrev is part of the source bundle, we could add it
13:01:12  <JamesGo> I had a script to do that, and copy over all the GRFs
13:01:42  <Ammler> !dl source
13:01:42  <PublicServer> Ammler: unknown option "source"
13:02:36  <Ammler> !dl source
13:02:36  <PublicServer> Ammler:
13:02:57  <JamesGo> Cool, thanks
13:03:01  <Ammler> copy from?
13:03:28  <Ammler> autostart does also auotmatically join
13:03:36  <Ammler> fetch pw
13:05:17  <Ammler> but indeed, openttd needs a autodownload for missing newgrfs
13:05:28  <Sylf> :o. Even the PW?
13:05:35  <Ammler> yep
13:05:50  <Sylf> Now I'm jealous
13:05:56  <Ammler> gäll :-)
13:06:10  <JamesGo> This computer is dualboot right now, most of my OpenTTD stuff is on the other OS
13:06:27  <V453000> idk, the pw doesnt bother me that much :)
13:07:12  <Ammler> me neither anymore :-P
13:07:26  <V453000> :(
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13:08:02  <Ammler> the script were done as you weren't able to switch to spec for afk :-)
13:08:11  <Ammler> and also before bananas
13:08:41  <V453000> eh :)
13:09:05  <Ammler> but why nobody made a patch yet to autodownload bananas grfs is a riddle
13:09:26  <Ammler> today people aren't lazy enough anymore
13:09:57  <Sylf> Banana is convenient enough
13:10:07  <Ammler> not for me
13:10:12  <V453000> I like to download them manually so I really know what I download tbh
13:10:17  <Ammler> not if you use it with autostart
13:10:27  <V453000> even this way I still forget what I downloaded :D
13:10:42  <Ammler> V453000: so what you do, if you don't like the newgrf loaded on the ps?
13:10:46  <Ammler> not join the ps?
13:10:57  <V453000> ?
13:11:14  <V453000> ah, not that way :)
13:11:16  <Ammler> well, you said, you like to check, what newgrfs are needed to download
13:11:27  <Ammler> that does only make sense, if you would decline it
13:11:29  <V453000> not needed to download, available - when I download them on my own
13:11:33  <V453000> without joining a game
13:12:07  <Ammler> yes, it should only download the needed grfs to join a game
13:12:19  <V453000> why?
13:12:28  <Ammler> why what?
13:12:30  <V453000> someone needs to create the game so download the mfirst :)
13:12:51  <Ammler> oh, you miss the point
13:13:01  <Ammler> I speak about joining a game
13:13:22  <V453000> k, nevermind :)
13:13:23  <Ammler> then autostart breaks because I miss a newgr
13:13:46  <Ammler> so I need to download that manually, very tedious
13:13:56  <Ammler> then close openttd and start again
13:14:55  <Ammler> and of course, I don't care what it is downloading, I just hit donwload every missing...
13:15:03  <JamesGo> !password
13:15:03  <PublicServer> JamesGo: sperms
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13:15:32  <Ammler> !svn
13:15:32  <PublicServer> Ammler: svn update -r22375 && make && ./bin/openttd -n -p sperms
13:15:32  <PublicServer> Ammler: svn checkout -r22375 svn:// openttdcoop && cd openttdcoop && ./configure && make
13:15:44  <Ammler> JamesGo: also interesting with autojoin ^
13:15:57  <Ammler> ./bin/openttd -n -p sperms
13:19:39  <JamesGo> Looking at the autostart script, it gets the password by requesting a page with curl, the url is http://$SERVER/$PORT/$PWKEY
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13:23:42  <Ammler> JamesGo: you can request that key from us
13:24:55  <JamesGo> Oh, that's what ask.members in the script means :)
13:25:07  <V453000> :D
13:25:34  <JamesGo> Could I request it please?
13:26:01  <Ammler> !users
13:26:01  <PublicServer> Ammler:
13:26:25  <Ammler> you need to be on that list ^
13:26:43  <Ammler> (you can register yourself there)
13:27:04  <V453000> (in usual suspects ;) )
13:27:21  <Ammler> not well maintained right now, it seems
13:27:29  <V453000> which reminds me that would require a massive update
13:27:34  <JamesGo> Thanks
13:27:37  <V453000> ah, exactly :D
13:27:48  <Ammler> :-)
13:30:35  <V453000> 5 people will remain there if I count well :D
13:31:23  <JamesGo> Added myself, and tidied the columns
13:31:51  <Sylf> I wish there were more regulars
13:31:53  <V453000> I guess you need to create
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13:48:07  <Ammler> !genkey JamesGo
13:48:08  <PublicServer> Ammler: Key sent to JamesGo
13:48:35  <Ammler> yes, create a little user page, please :-)
13:49:26  <Ammler> the alphabetic order seems screwed
13:49:57  <Ammler> hmm, no just James is wrong
13:54:07  <JamesGo> I created a user page, thanks for the key
13:55:44  <Ammler> ywa
14:07:07  <JamesGo> Can I get the revision number from the website in the same way I get the password? doesn't look right
14:10:06  <Chris_Booth> Ammler with the genkey what URL do I use to fetch the password?
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14:11:00  <Ammler>
14:11:15  <JamesGo> Thanks
14:11:17  <Ammler><KEY>
14:11:32  <Chris_Booth> hhhm just need to find my key now
14:11:46  <Ammler> tell me, if you need a new one :-)
14:12:13  <Chris_Booth> that is porbably much faster Ammler if you could
14:12:15  <Chris_Booth> <3
14:12:20  <Ammler> !genkey Chris_Booth
14:12:20  <PublicServer> Ammler: Key sent to Chris_Booth
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14:13:06  <Chris_Booth> thanks Ammler that is a nice feature
14:13:17  <Chris_Booth> which I forgot about
14:13:23  <Ammler> well, you could make a patch for autodownload :-P
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14:14:00  <Chris_Booth> I use autoupdate, which allows use of it
14:14:44  <Chris_Booth> does it work in pz aswell?
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14:26:48  <PublicServer> <James> :) Thanks Ammler, BASH, curl and cut
14:28:13  <Ammler> nice, isn't :-P
14:28:33  <Ammler> well, feel free to share your script on our wiki
14:29:14  <Ammler> I don't claim my script to be the only one :-)
14:29:41  <Ammler> didn't have much bash exprience as I wrote it
14:30:49  <KenjiE20> random tweak; now gives the URL for the downloads
14:31:54  <JamesGo> Ok, I'll put the scripts on the Wiki.  They should be fairly reliable
14:32:04  <Sylf> Nice tweak
14:32:57  <KenjiE20> also should work for stable now
14:37:50  <Ammler> [16:14] <Chris_Booth> I use autoupdate, which allows use of it <-- autoupdate does download newgrfs?
14:38:18  <Ammler> (that is what I meant with "patch for autodownload")
14:38:32  <Ammler> basically just skip the ok buttons in the openttd gui
14:39:44  <Ammler> KenjiE20: why use
14:39:49  <Ammler> !dl
14:39:49  <PublicServer> Ammler: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
14:39:49  <PublicServer> Ammler:
14:39:54  <Ammler> and not this ^
14:40:17  * KenjiE20 shrugs
14:40:32  <Ammler> would autopreselect os
14:40:40  <KenjiE20> can change if you want
14:40:47  <Ammler> I don't care
14:40:57  <Ammler> I just asked you :-P
14:41:01  <KenjiE20> then why bring it up? :p
14:41:19  <Ammler> maybe you have a reason to use that ugly page
14:41:48  <KenjiE20> not really
14:42:54  <Ammler> if you change, use for stable
14:43:37  <KenjiE20> that works
14:43:39  <Ammler> (without "en/")
14:43:52  <KenjiE20> I was gonna add a thing to spot "RC" but that's easier
14:44:07  <Ammler> yes, it does automatically redirect to stable
14:44:21  <Ammler> and we use testing there anyway
14:44:37  <KenjiE20> I'm guessing -testing won't take an RC revision after it though?
14:45:01  <Ammler> works
14:45:13  <Sylf> Did we use beta on stable server too?
14:45:20  <KenjiE20> yeah
14:45:34  <Ammler> works too
14:45:39  <KenjiE20> yup
14:45:44  <KenjiE20> just checked
14:46:08  <Ammler> Sylf: yes, .stable is mainly to test stable :-)
14:46:41  <KenjiE20> there, purty ness
14:46:48  <Ammler> :-)
14:47:07  <KenjiE20> 'cept it don't work without the lang
14:47:10  <Ammler> oh
14:47:15  <Ammler> no trailing slash
14:47:24  <KenjiE20> ah
14:48:01  <KenjiE20> there we go
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14:54:42  <Chris_Booth> not from bananas
14:54:48  <Chris_Booth> only from the new grf pack
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15:04:10  <Ammler> Chris_Booth: so when can we expect the patch?
15:04:30  <Chris_Booth> when someone writes it
15:04:41  <Chris_Booth> or if you epexct me to write it never
15:04:45  <Ammler> !rename Chris_Booth Someone
15:05:01  <Ammler> :'-(
15:05:59  <planetmaker> <Ammler> Sylf: yes, .stable is mainly to test stable :-) <-- hehe. That at least was the birth of it, indeed :-)
15:06:03  <planetmaker> And it helped A LOT
15:08:52  <Ammler> yeah, until we made our server, nobody tested RCs of bugfix releases
15:10:00  <planetmaker> I think we found like 4(?) desyncs around that time
15:10:26  <Ammler> yeah, 1.0.0 was nice
15:12:43  <Vinnie_nl> !password
15:12:43  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: rasped
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15:13:32  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :(
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15:17:56  <JamesGo> Is it ok if I create a new Wiki page for this script?
15:18:59  <planetmaker> what script?
15:19:22  <JamesGo> A script to automatically download OpenTTD and connect to the public server
15:19:35  <planetmaker> you mean autostart?
15:19:56  <planetmaker>
15:20:02  <JamesGo> This is my own script, wrote it a while ago
15:20:04  <Ammler> JamesGo: go for it
15:20:12  <Ammler> we can always delete it again
15:20:23  <planetmaker> now, that was mean :-)
15:20:32  <planetmaker> If it's one not yet mentioned: sure
15:20:37  <Ammler> we have some experience with spam lately
15:21:08  <Ammler> planetmaker: I asked him to put it on the wiki :-P
15:21:31  <planetmaker> :-)
15:21:34  <planetmaker> good good
15:22:00  <Ammler> I like to see other solutions :-)
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15:23:51  <planetmaker> <-- any other too often used obsolete NewGRFs I should add for Bernhard's NewGRF museum?
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15:26:53  <JamesGo> Is there a method for uploading files?
15:36:45  <Ammler> JamesGo: wait
15:37:45  <Ammler> JamesGo: you should have a upload link on the left side now
15:37:51  <Ammler> hmm, I thought everyone has that
15:38:14  <Ammler>
15:41:33  <JamesGo> Ammler: Thanks
15:45:54  <JamesGo> The Wiki doesn't accept files with no extension or a .sh extension.  Giving it a .tex extension would work, but make it less readable
15:46:26  <JamesGo> Oh, it worked :)
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15:46:39  <mfb-> hi
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15:47:47  <JamesGo> Hi mfb-
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15:48:36  <Sylf> Hiya mfb
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15:54:13  <mfb-> why not a simple SLH for the northern island? bridge at biale kosakowo
15:54:20  <mfb-> at sylf's plan
15:55:38  <Sylf> Erm?  Does the plan have transfer station?
15:55:50  <JamesGo>
15:55:51  <Sylf> I removed that last night
15:56:14  <PublicServer> <mfb> "For North Island Transfer, exploit the 64-tile station spread"
15:56:21  <Sylf> But did it get reverted?
15:56:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
15:56:41  <Sylf> Ugh
15:56:51  <PublicServer> <mfb> why should we exploit anything there?
15:56:55  <Sylf> Yeah, remove that
15:57:15  <PublicServer> <mfb> fine
15:57:32  <Sylf> Also, if you see the suggestions next to the plan, put all of those in place too
15:58:00  <Sylf> Switch around placement of main stations
15:58:18  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
15:59:15  <Sylf> Hrm...
16:00:04  <Sylf> I think I'm gonna take a lunch break now, come home and fix the plan
16:00:34  <PublicServer> <mfb> 2025... so we have to waste some time :D
16:01:17  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003EEEC:
16:02:51  <Chris_Booth> Ammler: where can I get the source for autoupdate?
16:03:00  <planetmaker> ask author?
16:03:04  <planetmaker> read readme?
16:04:51  <Ammler> Chris_Booth: it's windows
16:05:13  <Ammler> usually those guys don't think that freedomish :-)
16:05:23  <Ammler> but Zuu is a nice guy, maybe you have luck
16:08:34  <Sylf> so, mfb...
16:08:55  <Sylf> The coop team would like to welcome you to the coop membership.
16:09:22  <mfb-> :)
16:09:36  <planetmaker> \o/ I heart the words 'party' and 'beer'!
16:09:52  <Sylf> Yeah! Par-tey!
16:10:10  <Sylf> @op mfb-
16:10:10  *** Webster sets mode: +o mfb-
16:10:32  <mfb-> thanks
16:10:38  <planetmaker> the question, mfb- , is: do you want to join the team?
16:11:00  <Ammler> JamesGo: for make -j: $(($(cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l)*2+1))
16:11:00  <mfb-> well, why not. it is nice here
16:11:01  <Sylf> It's not a mandate :)
16:11:35  <Ammler> oh
16:11:42  <Ammler> welcome mfb- :-)
16:11:49  <Sylf> Well then, it's official :)
16:11:49  <planetmaker> welcome then :-)
16:11:53  <Sylf> Welcome, mfb
16:12:10  <Ammler> can he vote?
16:12:23  <Ammler> he needs to be member to be against becoming a member
16:12:29  <mfb-> vote where?
16:12:32  <planetmaker> :-P
16:12:32  <Mucht> congrats mfb-
16:12:39  <Sylf> hahahaha
16:12:50  <Sylf> now that he's a member, he can veto his own membership?
16:12:55  <planetmaker> o_O awoken from looong slumber, eh? ;-)
16:13:04  <Mucht> ;)
16:13:31  <Ammler> hehe, Salü Mucht :-)
16:13:40  <Mucht> ah, Ammler, still active heh
16:13:56  <Ammler> not much playing though
16:14:03  <planetmaker> someone has to keep it running ;-)
16:14:32  <Mucht> thats true
16:14:52  <Ammler> Osai: is also quite absent
16:16:55  <Ammler> I plan to get some time with playing, when yacd is going to be MP testing
16:18:42  <planetmaker> :-) A lot of people will be looking forward to that, I guess
16:18:59  <planetmaker> Looked to me like more fun than cargodist
16:20:19  <Ammler> well, the issue we made with cargodist is that we didn't make it coop
16:21:00  <Ammler> both types are mostly for one company
16:23:22  <Chris_Booth> I have asked Zuu if i can have the sourse
16:23:27  <Chris_Booth> saource
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16:28:13  <Sylf> hmmm... can I !getkey for myself?
16:28:21  <Sylf> gen*
16:28:28  <Sylf> !genkey Sylf
16:28:28  <PublicServer> Sylf: Key sent to Sylf
16:29:35  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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16:29:52  <PublicServer> <Sylf> Ah ha, it works :)
16:37:28  <yorick> !password
16:37:28  <PublicServer> yorick: errand
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16:40:01  <PublicServer> <yorick> so everyone can vote? :)
16:40:05  <PublicServer> *** yorick has joined company #1
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16:41:30  <Taede> they let me vote, so i guess so
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16:42:28  <Sylf> yup, anyone
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16:46:18  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000068E9:
16:47:17  <planetmaker> smatzy-patchy! :-)
16:48:52  <Ammler> SmatZ: might need to enable autojoin in his bnc panel?
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16:56:10  <PublicServer> <0DM> when is sylf's loc available anyway?
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16:57:58  <V453000> !password
16:57:58  <PublicServer> V453000: warier
16:58:17  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
16:58:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> elo
16:58:26  <TWerkhoven> ~2025, close enough
16:58:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
16:58:59  <PublicServer> <James> Hello
16:59:05  <yorick> btw, what's the patch you use for the server-side screenshots
16:59:39  <PublicServer> <0DM> couple more years of voting then:P
16:59:44  <SmatZ> yorick: you just need to keep the blitter for dedicated
17:00:00  <yorick> SmatZ: that's evil
17:00:08  <SmatZ> yet simple :)
17:00:18  <yorick> that takes cpu when it's not used
17:00:54  * SmatZ takes CPU from yorick
17:01:17  <yorick> hey...gimme back mah cpu!
17:01:18  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001AFBA:
17:01:21  <TWerkhoven> what hardware does the ps run on anyway?
17:01:21  <planetmaker> yorick, the server is powerful enough
17:01:23  <KenjiE20> nomnom
17:01:25  <SmatZ> no :P
17:01:37  <planetmaker> but we keep the extra CPU
17:01:45  * planetmaker agrees with SmatZ - good catch ;-)
17:01:46  <KenjiE20> TWerkhoven: a dead badger
17:01:48  <yorick> I need that
17:01:57  <SmatZ> :)
17:01:58  <TWerkhoven> ooooh, organic computers
17:02:00  <KenjiE20> I think we added a toaster too for an upgrade
17:02:15  <PublicServer> <0DM> did someone say toast?
17:02:17  <TWerkhoven> doesn't it get smelly though?
17:02:18  <KenjiE20> no
17:02:25  <yorick> TWerkhoven: the toaster?
17:02:29  <KenjiE20> WE don't have to smell it so...
17:02:29  <TWerkhoven> the badger
17:04:15  <Ammler> yorick: there is a ticket about in the autopilot devzone
17:04:17  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
17:05:01  <yorick> ew...tcl
17:06:06  <Ammler>
17:06:28  <Ammler> a very complicated patch :-P
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17:07:37  <yorick> Ammler: would you be ok with a macro-like patch being used on your servers? (I'm thinking of an alternative to copy-paste)
17:07:55  <Ammler> he?
17:08:09  <yorick> copy-paste patch is evil, right?
17:08:19  <yorick> people stealing the work of other people and such
17:08:35  <Ammler> we don't need it here, we have dumb players
17:08:45  <Ammler> they copy without patch
17:08:59  <yorick> when there was a patch you kicked people for it :)
17:09:07  <Ammler> yes
17:09:10  <Ammler> might be
17:09:32  <yorick> but the copy-paste patch was nice for automizing repetitive work, at least for me
17:09:43  <Ammler> yep, fine for you on your sp
17:09:58  <Ammler> but I wouldn't like you use it here or on a competive server
17:10:07  <yorick> so my idea was to have a macro-like patch
17:10:12  <Ammler> it is obviously cheating
17:10:30  <yorick> (you press record, build something, press stop, and press play on some other location)
17:10:53  <Ammler> if it does repeat as slow
17:11:04  <Ammler> it might be okish
17:11:18  <Ammler> no, it isn't
17:11:28  <Ammler> but I guess, you can't stop someone using it
17:11:47  <yorick> so you want to change signal direction on a big station. you do the first five platforms, and then press play on the other 20
17:12:21  <Ammler> we don't need that on coop server, that is the whole point of coop :-)
17:12:23  <PublicServer> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving)
17:12:43  <Ammler> you have multiple people so the booring stuff is splitted
17:12:44  <Webster> Latest update from blog: New Member: mfb <>
17:13:12  <yorick> but is it cheating?
17:13:15  <Ammler> but I see a lot usage for such a patch in sp
17:13:28  <Ammler> yorick: not here, but on a competive server, of course
17:13:49  <yorick> of course, it wouldn't be client-only
17:13:52  <JamesGo> You can change signal direction along a track, but not across parallel tracks yet
17:14:00  <Ammler> yorick: how can you control that?
17:14:12  <mfb-> allow it for all, maybe
17:14:27  <yorick> Ammler: sending the commands to the server first, which then controls the pasting?
17:14:37  <yorick> replaying*
17:14:56  <yorick> JamesGo: I think there have been patches for that
17:15:13  <mfb-> sylf: :)
17:15:33  <V453000> :)
17:15:39  <Ammler> mfb-: the only fair solution would be to make such a nice patch that is will go to trunk, indeed :-)
17:15:49  <V453000> btw I wouldnt mention the notgate much since that was quite a fail ;ú
17:15:49  <V453000> ;)
17:16:00  <mfb-> it works with the right train
17:16:09  <V453000> yes but it makes no sense
17:16:15  <V453000> or, it is logically wrong :)
17:16:18  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00020C80:
17:16:29  <mfb-> it works. only thing I care about at gates
17:17:14  <mfb-> and it works with a precision better than 99,99% without nearly no delay
17:17:34  <mfb-> lower limit, did not see any glitch yet
17:17:59  <yorick> mfb-: double negation? :P
17:18:01  <mfb-> eh... with(!) nearly no delay
17:19:48  <yorick> unfortunately, I'm a bit low on time for the implementation of such a macro system
17:31:19  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001AFBA:
17:34:42  <planetmaker> yorick, this server is no patch test server ;-)
17:34:59  <planetmaker> especially not for player-cheating patches :-P
17:36:27  <planetmaker> one only learns to build, if you don't just c&p the (good) junction of another person
17:36:38  <planetmaker> and there's not much work which needs c&p here anyway
17:36:45  <planetmaker> or what would need c&p?
17:36:51  <planetmaker> on a rough landscape?
17:36:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> mass logic maybe
17:37:27  <planetmaker> but then one doesn't learn it - same argument again ;-)
17:37:40  <planetmaker> I'd then simply copy an existing logic, that is
17:37:57  <mfb-> you do not learn anything by building the 123. NOT gate or SML-shift
17:38:01  <planetmaker> and not try to understand it.
17:38:12  <planetmaker> mfb-, you and me, maybe.
17:38:36  <mfb-> the important point is "mass" logic
17:38:39  <planetmaker> But... but copying it won't teach either nor really help. A SML is as quick to build as copy
17:38:51  <yorick> planetmaker: I know that, I was just askign ammler about his/her/its ethical opinion
17:39:36  <planetmaker> well... I'll oppose unnecessary patches. You can ask Ammler, he can sing a song of me bitching about too many patches ;-)
17:40:26  <planetmaker> anyway... sports. Catch you laters
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17:42:21  <Ammler> yorick: well, planetmaker gave you answer too :-)
17:42:29  <Ammler> I was aware of that
17:42:52  <yorick> Ammler: pm seems to be a bit less positive :/
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17:43:46  <Ammler> well, he didn't gave you a answer about the patch, just generic answer about patching
17:43:58  <Ammler> ah
17:44:00  <Ammler> no
17:44:05  <Ammler> confused me
17:44:52  <Ammler> the best feature about such a patch is, when it goes to trunk and let server admins disable it
17:45:12  <Ammler> the patch from frostregen had such a feature
17:45:29  <yorick> the frostregen version was easy to circumvent
17:45:35  <Ammler> yep
17:45:37  <yorick> it needs to be a fundamental dependency
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17:47:31  <Ammler> I mean, think simple, the best patch in that direction is one, which you can disable, then everyone will like it
17:48:23  <Ammler> but it might be hard to implement that
17:49:26  <Ammler> also a record and play might be a nice feature for tutorial game
17:52:01  <yorick> Ammler: please explain about the tutorial part
17:53:23  <Ammler> well, "might"
17:53:57  <Ammler> I didn't think about, if it needs explaination, it might be a bad idea :-P
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18:11:29  <ppetak> !password
18:11:29  <PublicServer> ppetak: misers
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18:21:29  <V453000> !password
18:21:29  <PublicServer> V453000: pillar
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18:28:52  <Chris_Booth> hi all
18:31:59  <Vinnie_nl> !password
18:31:59  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: skated
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18:32:21  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
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18:36:42  <Chris_Booth> how can there be a winner already?
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18:38:01  <Chris_Booth> not sure if that counts as a winner
18:38:13  <Chris_Booth> but I did like Sylf's plan as much as my own
18:38:55  <Sylf> !screen
18:38:55  <PublicServer> *** Sylf liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (
18:39:15  <Sylf> Hmm
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18:44:55  <Vinnie_nl> Sylf 5 CB 2 and Vinnie 6 votes from his imaginairy friends
19:25:41  <Tray> !password
19:25:41  <PublicServer> Tray: tanner
19:25:59  <Tray> !dl win32
19:25:59  <PublicServer> Tray:
19:28:28  <Tray> !password
19:28:28  <PublicServer> Tray: tanner
19:32:00  <Tray> !password
19:32:00  <PublicServer> Tray: vermin
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20:10:32  <Intexon> !password
20:10:32  <PublicServer> Intexon: revels
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20:10:49  <PublicServer> <1ntexon> hi
20:11:03  <PublicServer> <T. Werkhoven> ello
20:11:15  <Chris_Booth> vote for me
20:11:20  <V453000> lol
20:11:37  <Chris_Booth> I will give you IRC cookies if you vote for me
20:11:45  <PublicServer> <1ntexon> I will not vote at all I think :)
20:11:56  <PublicServer> <1ntexon> I probably won't find time to play anyway
20:12:11  <Chris_Booth> vote for me or sylf
20:12:17  <Chris_Booth> I like sylfs plan aswell
20:12:20  <PublicServer> <T. Werkhoven> please no more campaign promises
20:12:30  <PublicServer> <T. Werkhoven> i delivered enough of those the past few weeks
20:13:18  <Chris_Booth> !dl
20:13:18  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
20:13:18  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth:
20:13:29  <Chris_Booth> !dl autostart
20:13:29  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth:
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20:16:03  <Chris_Booth> !dl autottd
20:16:03  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth:
20:16:16  <Chris_Booth> !dl autottd
20:16:16  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth:
20:16:22  <Chris_Booth> !dl ottdau
20:16:22  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth:
20:16:55  <Chris_Booth> sorry for spam
20:19:06  <mfb-> /msg PublicServer text?
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20:20:26  <Chris_Booth> could have
20:20:38  <Chris_Booth> or pm PublicServer
20:26:21  <mfb-> same thing
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20:43:22  <mfb-> 31 years to go :p
20:44:35  <TWerkhoven> shame we can't use the ff button in mp
20:49:26  <Sylf> We can build already if building stage starts
20:50:03  <Sylf> I'm sure we will need more than 31 years to build the original network :)
20:50:03  <mfb-> the network, but no primaries
20:50:08  <mfb-> hmm
20:51:11  <Sylf> 5 bbh, 4 msh, bunch of slh, if my plan actually stands....
20:53:23  <TWerkhoven> true
20:53:28  <Sylf> Go ahead, prove me wrong!
20:53:28  <Sylf> Mad fast building!
20:53:51  <TWerkhoven> lol
20:54:06  <TWerkhoven> how many ppl are actually here?
20:55:01  <Sylf> I won't be home for another 4-5 hours
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21:19:26  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Sylf is the winner
21:19:50  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> if you want to start building when he get back
21:19:52  <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving)
21:20:53  <Sylf> It'll never start if you wait for me.
21:22:57  <V453000> I guess sylf is right
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21:24:03  <V453000> @stage Building
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21:24:25  <mfb-> hmm.. but not today
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21:24:45  <V453000> im leaving in 5 minutes too, but others can :)
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21:29:47  <Chris_Booth> <3 it
21:29:51  <Chris_Booth> building starts
21:29:53  <Chris_Booth> everyone leaves
21:30:27  <Twerkhoven[L]> !password
21:30:27  <PublicServer> Twerkhoven[L]: parish
21:30:48  <Twerkhoven[L]> I was just switching pc's, but i seem to have started that yes
21:30:52  <Twerkhoven[L]> :/
21:31:24  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003CEDE:
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21:38:02  <PublicServer> <twerkhoven> ello
21:38:12  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi
21:38:18  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> just laying out plan
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21:50:56  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ok that is the rough plan
21:50:59  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> as I see it
21:52:21  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I am off now
21:52:28  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> if you want to start build feel free
21:52:42  <PublicServer> <twerkhoven> I may just do that
21:53:05  * Twerkhoven[L] hands chris a vodka
21:53:16  <JamesGo> I might try building a small hub this time
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21:54:11  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yucky
21:54:17  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> what is this vodka?
21:54:20  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and where is my tea?
21:54:31  <Twerkhoven[L]> no tea
21:54:41  <Twerkhoven[L]> can give you scotch instead though, or ale
21:55:02  <Chris_Booth> scotch
21:55:04  <Twerkhoven[L]> tea won't be made for another 45mins
21:55:07  <Chris_Booth> only if its oaky
21:55:14  * Twerkhoven[L] poors chris a scotch
21:55:20  <Chris_Booth> no ice please
21:55:46  <Twerkhoven[L]> fair enough
21:55:55  * Twerkhoven[L] adds another measure
21:56:04  <Twerkhoven[L]> you want some james?#
21:56:34  <JamesGo> I'll have the tea please
21:56:34  * Chris_Booth nod head very fast
21:56:42  <Chris_Booth> james wants lots
21:56:47  <Twerkhoven[L]> lol
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21:57:21  <Chris_Booth> I love it when I go drinking and someone say I will have a single
21:57:33  <Chris_Booth> and I am like you sure you don't want a double
21:57:37  <Chris_Booth> and they say no
21:57:44  <Chris_Booth> but i get them a double anyway
21:58:32  <Twerkhoven[L]> hehe
21:58:38  <Yexo> how do you call your building style with junctions every 6 tiles or so and all trains synchronized entering those junctions?
21:58:47  <Yexo> there was an island in PSG200 with that style
21:59:08  <Chris_Booth> Yexo: SRNW?
21:59:10  <Chris_Booth> with SML
21:59:25  <Yexo> no, not that
21:59:41  <Chris_Booth> or timmed tight packing?
21:59:47  <Yexo> area in bottom right
21:59:55  <Vinnie_nl> Yexo that was Logic Island
22:00:27  <Yexo> are there any screenshots of that style on the wiki (or somewhere else)? or do I have to make one myself?
22:00:37  <Chris_Booth>
22:00:40  <Chris_Booth> Yexo: like that?
22:00:41  <Vinnie_nl> its a unique idea
22:00:59  <Twerkhoven[L]> yexo, you can always download the savegame and load it up
22:01:00  <Vinnie_nl> @PS200
22:01:04  <Twerkhoven[L]> then you can see it in action
22:01:07  <Yexo> Chris_Booth: no
22:01:16  <Chris_Booth> will have to check PSG 200
22:01:18  <Chris_Booth> I missed it
22:01:19  <Yexo> Twerkhoven[L]: I've build part of that game :)
22:01:25  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001B848:
22:01:28  <Yexo> I just wanted to link to a screenshot of it in a forum post
22:01:29  <Twerkhoven[L]> ah lol
22:01:37  <Twerkhoven[L]> too much vodka
22:01:42  <Vinnie_nl> then load the game
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22:01:54  <Yexo> I'll do that
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22:01:58  <Yexo> thanks for the help
22:02:04  <Vinnie_nl> np
22:02:43  <Chris_Booth> which island Yexo?
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22:05:20  <Yexo> Chris_Booth:
22:05:22  <md_> !password
22:05:22  <PublicServer> md_: gusher
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