Log for #openttdcoop on 29th March 2012:
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04:25:15  <PublicServer> <KyleS> some crazy-long prios :o
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04:44:37  <KyleS> webcam on isn't working :c
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08:41:41  <V453000> !password
08:41:42  <PublicServer> V453000: fluked
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08:42:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> moarning
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08:59:28  <Mazur> More ning, V.
09:00:22  * Mazur needs 5 seconds.
09:00:25  <V453000> hi hi
09:00:36  <V453000> new game on sunday? :)
09:01:06  <Mazur> Sounds good, but would friday/saterday not give a better run in?
09:01:47  <Mazur> But, ilke I said, I need 5 seconds, can you come in a minute?
09:02:27  <Mazur> I want to fix my halfwit Steel PU overflow.
09:04:02  <Mazur> Or unpause me for a minute, that would work as well.
09:04:33  <Maraxus> !password
09:04:33  <PublicServer> Maraxus: bygone
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09:09:53  <V453000> Mazur: look at the date that sunday is
09:10:11  * V453000 has evil plans
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09:20:17  <Mazur> Aha.
09:20:28  <Mazur> Sure, sunday sounds fine.
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12:18:47  <mfb-> hi
12:18:52  <mfb-> there is a newGRF with black holes? :D
12:19:01  <mfb-> as a universal drop of everything?
12:20:07  <hylje> a black hole that pays you money
12:21:17  <V453000> wtf mfb :-D
12:21:30  <mfb->
12:21:31  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - rubidium (at
12:22:39  <mfb-> hylje: no, the guys who use the black hole as a power source (which is possible in theory) and need matter for that
12:24:57  <V453000> mfb-: I think that is some rather stupid newGRF on luukland servers
12:25:11  <V453000> but I think it is just 1 industry chain of pickup -> drop industries
12:28:57  <mfb-> it is
12:29:16  <mfb-> and it costs you money if the rubidium is too old
12:31:04  <V453000> but why the idea about universal drop?
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12:31:52  <mfb-> well.. black hole? :D
12:32:06  <mfb-> you can drop everything into a black hole
12:32:37  <V453000> hm I thought you had some idea which would require an all-accepting industry
12:32:43  <mfb-> no
12:32:54  <mfb-> and a lot of industries would do the same
12:33:02  <V453000> true
12:33:25  <mfb-> ok, the secret cargo grf is strange
12:34:02  <V453000> it is luukland ... that says enough imo
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12:45:36  <Hazzard> Hello
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12:47:03  <mfb-> hi
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12:47:53  <PublicServer> <Hazzard> Too much lag
12:48:44  <PublicServer> <mfb> only 1370 trains :(
12:48:50  <PublicServer> <Hazzard> Yeah
12:49:05  <PublicServer> <Hazzard> once we get over 700 I can't build anything good
12:49:11  <PublicServer> <Hazzard> Too much lag
12:50:33  <PublicServer> <Hazzard> Next game can we do a half sized map?
12:50:55  <V453000> 1400 isnt that low
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12:55:44  <Rhamphoryncus> Found a bug in the steam/smoke/spark code, causing it to redraw most of the screen.  Fixing that should help performance :)
12:56:10  <PublicServer> <Hazzard> It's my internet
12:56:42  <Rhamphoryncus> I thought it used almost nothing once connected?
12:57:08  <PublicServer> <Hazzard> When they wrote that I don't think they had openttdcoop in mind
12:57:53  <Rhamphoryncus> heh
12:58:21  <Rhamphoryncus> afaik it shouldn't: the only thing transmitted should be commands from users
12:58:38  <Rhamphoryncus> And desync detection.  Dunno how that works
12:58:59  <Hazzard> What about the locations of 1370 trains?
12:59:51  <Rhamphoryncus> The games run entirely independently
12:59:58  <V453000> all counted locally
13:00:04  <Rhamphoryncus> Literally as if you downloaded the save and ran it yourself
13:00:33  <V453000> I guess some time synchronization with server takes something
13:00:59  <Hazzard> But how does it keep in sync without sending the information of all the trains?
13:01:15  <Hazzard> The game lags extreemly as the number of vehicles increases
13:01:30  <Hazzard> Because my internet is crap
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13:01:52  <V453000> the server and your game counts them the same way
13:01:55  <V453000> if not, desync occurs
13:01:57  <V453000> I guess
13:02:15  <Hazzard> The games run fine on singleplayer
13:02:26  <Hazzard> Just no fastforwarding ;)
13:02:38  <V453000> I know that some good quality of internet connection is required but I do not know which part
13:02:42  <V453000> I think stability
13:02:51  <V453000> but definitely not something like upload/download
13:04:16  <Hazzard> What does that mean>
13:04:16  <Hazzard> ?
13:04:20  <Maraxus> what's your cpu and netspeed?
13:05:07  <Rhamphoryncus> Oh blast, Rubidium already fixed the steam/smoke/spark bug XD
13:07:01  <Hazzard> hmm
13:07:26  <Rhamphoryncus> That's what I get for using a check that's a few days old.  (Actually, it's close to two weeks, but the fix only happened a few days ago.)
13:07:53  <V453000> no staggering speed for todays limits but 91% stability, cant complain
13:07:54  <Webster> Title: Výsledek testu připojení k internetu (at
13:08:09  <V453000> it is in czech but should be about understandable
13:08:44  <Hazzard> Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual Core Processor L310 (2 CPUs), ~1.2GHz
13:09:01  <V453000>
13:09:44  <V453000> then I guess your cpu is lacking
13:10:10  <Hazzard> :\
13:10:15  <V453000> above 1000 trains is known to start cause issues on many cpus, 1400 is a lot usually
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13:11:33  <Hazzard> It does run OK on singleplayer, I do have a tiny amount of lag
13:12:35  <Hazzard> Maraxus: What do you mean by netspeed?
13:13:02  <Maraxus> your internet connection - what speed is it?
13:13:52  <planetmaker> once connected, the connection speed basically is irrelevant
13:13:52  <V453000> Hazzard: tiny amount of lag but how fast is it running
13:13:57  <V453000> the game could slow down
13:14:09  <V453000> especially likely if you cant fast forward anymore
13:14:15  <planetmaker> ^^
13:15:25  <Hazzard> my (wonderful) internet connection in czech:
13:15:26  <Webster> Title: Výsledek testu připojení k internetu (at
13:15:49  <V453000> you didnt have to do it on that server :D I just didnt know about a good english one
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13:16:09  <V453000> hm, 27% stability is low and you have some hiiigh delay
13:16:25  <Hazzard> I am in China
13:16:51  <V453000> I guess that could fuck the stats up quite a bit as well, idk
13:17:22  <Hazzard> I don't think it would
13:20:22  <V453000> well, either way, your connection does not show great numbers and cpu neither so hard to say
13:22:22  <mfb-> Stabilita:	94.5 % :)
13:22:34  <V453000> :>
13:23:06  <V453000> well I have the cheapest TV cable internet that UPC (the best internet company in cz) provides, so I guess it could be a lot better but this is very sufficient for me :)
13:23:09  <V453000> also germans :P
13:23:25  <hylje> yea you can just pirate all the teevees
13:24:02  <Hazzard> Well, the internet in China is terrible. I doubt the highest option is as good as your lowest option.
13:24:18  <Hazzard> Not to mention the censorship
13:26:15  <Hazzard> I can't even get your Czech page to finish when I have my proxy on
13:26:41  <V453000> hm :z
13:27:02  <mfb-> :D
13:27:05  <V453000> you are Chinese or are you there just temporarily?
13:28:30  <Hazzard> I am here temporarily, I am half Chinese
13:30:03  <V453000> oh half :>
13:30:21  <V453000> we have a half Japanese here, Sylf ... but he lives in the US
13:31:32  <Hazzard> You know your internet is bad when the website to test your internet times out
13:32:55  <mfb-> lol
13:32:58  <V453000> I know that
13:33:05  <V453000> had a similarly ridiculous connection a year ago
13:33:18  <V453000> the page wouldnt even load
13:33:56  <Hazzard> It probably doesn't help that I can't read Czech though :P don't know what the different options do
13:34:52  <mfb-> I ignored them :D
13:35:12  <Hazzard> Same
13:35:28  <Hazzard> My proxy puts me in San Diego :P random fact
13:35:44  <Hazzard> What is informace nejsou vyžadovány?
13:36:14  <V453000> Information isnt required
13:36:41  <V453000> god just google some english site :D I didnt imagine usign it for me would make such confusion :D
13:36:59  <Hazzard> :p ok
13:37:11  <Hazzard> I like things to be consistant
13:39:31  <Hazzard> With proxy:
13:41:05  <mfb-> where is the coop server btw.? (physically)
13:41:45  <Hazzard> Without:
13:41:47  <V453000> various answers to that have been answered, on the Moon, in wonderland,...
13:42:03  <mfb-> moon would give bad ping :D
13:42:34  <Hazzard> My internet gets an F :(
13:42:46  <mfb-> Hazzard: the different ping is probably related to the different server
13:43:10  <mfb-> 5xxms to the US, 55ms to changchun
13:43:13  <Hazzard> Yes, the ping doesn't really make sense when using the proxy
13:43:31  <Hazzard> Because it is a proxy of course
13:44:58  <mfb-> looks like nl
13:45:10  <Hazzard> ?
13:45:23  <mfb-> [15:41:10] <mfb-> where is the coop server btw.? (physically)
13:48:59  <Hazzard> My internet is just fast enough to watch a youtube video in 320p with the proxy on
13:49:07  <Hazzard> :)
13:53:10  <Hazzard> I gtg now, see you guys latert
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16:45:22  <Thorinbur> !password
16:45:22  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: diners
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16:56:01  <Firestar> how are things?
16:56:15  <Firestar> !password
16:56:16  <PublicServer> Firestar: diners
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17:31:55  <Mazur>
17:31:56  <Webster> Title: Výsledek testu připojení k internetu (at
17:33:42  <V453000> :>
17:36:56  <Mazur> It's clearer when Google translate makes it English.
17:37:01  <Mazur> At least, for me.
17:37:54  <Thorinbur> finally some decent connection heh?
17:38:18  <Mazur> Oh, I have a decent connection for years, now.
17:38:40  <Thorinbur> Not you, V.
17:39:20  <Mazur> Oh, did he stop using bluetooth through a mountain?
17:40:01  <V453000> yes Thorinbur :)
17:40:29  <V453000> despite the fact that I am at a pc almost 24-7, I finally live in a place where a proper connection is available
17:41:04  <Thorinbur> he posted net test with 10Mb download
17:41:25  <Thorinbur> so i guess he did stop :)
17:42:02  <Thorinbur> Btw i have 10Mb as well but my up is 200kb lower :/
17:42:29  <V453000> I dont quite care about the speed, 99% of the time I do not use that anyway. But the stability is important
17:43:23  <V453000> or at least, I see no reason to have anything higher than what I have now, despite it is the cheapest they provide :)
17:53:03  <Mazur> mfb: A traceroute should give you a good indication of the location.
17:53:28  <mfb-> -> nl
17:53:40  <Mazur> Indeed.
17:53:47  <Mazur> Such a drag...
17:53:49  <Mazur> :-)
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17:54:05  * Mazur is a stone's throw away.
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17:54:17  <mfb-> :p
17:55:01  <Mazur> European Cybercrime Unit also setttles in my neck of the woods.
17:55:12  * Mazur just hopes he's too smallfish to bother with.
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18:27:54  <Chris_Booth[ph]> 'Leo
18:28:02  <Chris_Booth[ph]> 'lo
18:33:20  <mfb-> hi
18:33:40  <Chris_Booth[ph]> How is mfb?
18:33:58  <mfb-> mfb is like mfb
18:34:32  <Chris_Booth[ph]> Ha ha
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18:43:59  <V453000> seems very mfb-like
18:44:31  <mfb-> indeed
18:44:50  * Chris_Booth[ph] is very Booth like
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19:35:56  <mfb-> everybody scared to join? :p
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19:44:20  <XeryusTC> yes
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20:00:22  <XeryusTC> !rcon set max_trains
20:00:22  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Current value for 'max_trains' is: '1400' (min: 0, max: 5000)
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20:02:14  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi
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20:02:18  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hello
20:02:42  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
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20:26:44  <V453000> !password
20:26:44  <PublicServer> V453000: batons
20:27:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> evening
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20:27:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> omg the roller coaster is alive :-D
20:29:50  <Mazur> Oh, forgot to look at it.
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20:32:40  <PublicServer> <Mazur> It's silly.
20:32:43  <PublicServer> <Mazur> .
20:32:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I like it.
20:33:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> the last pzg one was better
20:33:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> moar tranez
20:37:10  <Mazur> MOAR TRANEZ!
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20:49:03  <Rhamphoryncus> !password
20:49:04  <PublicServer> Rhamphoryncus: teller
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21:28:44  <PublicServer> <mfb> anything left to do?
21:31:38  <Mazur> I do not know.
21:32:01  <Mazur> I have asked yesterday, but go no answer, either.
21:32:05  <Mazur> got
21:34:37  <V453000> I think there are some spots which could use some smoothening
21:34:37  <Mazur> Perhpas simply up the limit by one or two hundred and see where it starts going wrong again, if we're to stretch this to sunday.
21:34:37  <Mazur> Ah, the V spoke.
21:34:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> maybe
21:35:45  <V453000> definitely not today for me however
21:35:49  <V453000> tomorrow I will have some time
21:36:12  <V453000> on saturday I would like to have the game finished so sunday morning I could load a new one if that is ok with you
21:36:30  <V453000> on saturday evening that is of course :)
21:39:19  <Mazur> Yessss.
21:39:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
21:40:28  <Mazur> V has a game prepared, but cannot start it until sunday.
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21:52:30  <Thorinbur> !password
21:52:30  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: denser
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21:52:55  <Thorinbur> pasword fits the server :)
21:54:36  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> WOW at BBH 04
21:54:46  <V453000> :>
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21:56:16  <PublicServer> Tray: denser
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21:58:16  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> what is the point of those trains running there? Just to add to cvisual compexity?
21:58:28  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I mean single engines
21:58:36  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> going around crazy loop
21:59:10  <PublicServer> <mfb> you got it
21:59:17  <PublicServer> <mfb> and to add complexity to the hub
21:59:27  <V453000> just because mfb is evil and without it the hub is just too simple :D
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21:59:43  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> bleh, cheap tricks
21:59:49  <PublicServer> <mfb> in other words: because it fits in
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22:00:15  <V453000> I think mfb that there should either run a loooooot more trains, or it should be removed :z
22:00:21  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and the sign: "thats quite the priority made me think it might be some kind ofe elaborate logic going on
22:00:36  <V453000> to make it either totally obvious or not there
22:01:06  <PublicServer> <mfb> well, I didn't want to add too many trains, these are 21 already
22:01:07  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> omg how many towns were killed in building this map :)
22:01:15  <PublicServer> <mfb> would be easy to add more of course
22:01:33  <PublicServer> <mfb> just make a line with ~210 tiles and add a train every second tile
22:02:00  <PublicServer> <mfb> 14 empty towns
22:02:18  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> town eaters...
22:03:32  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I love eyecandy neat the oil platforms
22:03:55  <V453000> :P
22:04:27  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> you again... ^^
22:04:49  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> didnt even notice.
22:06:52  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> is there anywhere i can get this map as it was at the beginning?
22:07:22  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I have very boring classes I could use a challenge on :)
22:07:56  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> And also, mfb, are you building anything, or can I safely leave?
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22:13:16  <Mazur> Thorinbur, you can save it, start in multiplayer, delete company 1, reset the date, though that does not undo the TF and come or gone industries/villages.  Or ask V for the uploaded file.
22:13:41  <V453000> cmon I dont make every map
22:14:13  <Mazur> You don't?
22:14:32  <Mazur> Since when?
22:14:33  <Mazur> ;-)
22:14:58  <V453000> there are a few ways, either you can get the starting file which we could probably extract from the server somehow, or you can generate the map yourself, just write "getseed" in the game console and then you have to guess the generator values ... this map probably is smooth/hilly or mountainous, no variety distrib and some water. .. you have to test that
22:15:22  <V453000> but that doesnt keep all the settings and newgrf settings
22:17:24  <V453000> Mazur: since Mark is around
22:20:15  <V453000> he made 222, 223, 224, 225, 226 and 230
22:21:52  <Mazur> Well, you can;t be expected to do everything, I suppose.
22:22:12  <Mazur> However, you know where hte upload directory is adn you can access it.
22:22:35  <V453000> probably :>
22:24:45  <V453000> and btw this is coop, not let V do stuff
22:24:56  <V453000> which involves wiki, savegames and everything :P
22:25:00  <V453000> not just coop building
22:34:20  <Mazur> Oh, I thought we were just your eperimental rats, with you building us increasingly difficult mazes on the PS server and generally having fun at our expense.
22:34:59  <V453000> mazes xD
22:35:39  <V453000> MAZE
22:35:54  <V453000> psg175 :>
22:36:00  <V453000> good times
22:36:47  <Mazur> Yes, like that, and we function as the trains there.
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22:38:01  <V453000> trains dont vote their plans
22:39:29  <V453000> and they totally dont help building :D
22:42:30  <Mazur> It's a moot point whether I actually "help" building.
22:42:53  <V453000> either way, looking at the old savegames, I have to say that we have gotten to a different level :)
22:43:37  <Mazur> I should take a look at some old games, I presume, but that only happens if and when I can be bothered.
22:43:42  <Mazur> :-)
22:44:35  <Mazur> Right now I'm transferring recordings of my choir performances from cassettes to hard disk.
22:45:04  <Mazur> And I'm still  working on my klaverjas program.
22:45:17  <V453000> I have seen all of them and I remember those that are after ~psg120... and I remember very well all those that are after ~psg160 as that is the time when I started actively playing here
22:45:28  <V453000> the archive is great :) use it
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22:49:46  <Mazur> I know it's great, there is however a limit to time in a day, and no limit to hte thing that interest me.
22:49:53  <Mazur> things
22:55:26  <Sylf> we're thinking about next map?
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23:54:30  <V453000> Sylf: yes, dont worry :)
23:54:44  <V453000> or ... I have quite clear thought about a new map :P

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