Log for #openttdcoop on 1st September 2012:
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04:46:32  <BiG_MeEcH> woo!
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06:29:28  <Ryton> good morning Europe!
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10:41:38  <Ryton> good morning Asia!
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11:01:43  <Ryton> Anyone interested in finalizing the game?
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11:43:29  <Dvohoritch> !password
11:43:29  <PublicServer> Dvohoritch: erupts
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11:58:03  <PublicServer> <Dvohoritch> Hello?
11:58:07  <Dvohoritch> Hello.
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11:59:54  <V453000> hello.
12:10:01  <Dvohoritch> Holy carp actual people
12:10:53  <tycoondemon> !password
12:10:53  <PublicServer> tycoondemon: erupts
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12:12:29  <V453000> ¨hello tycoondemon :) havent seen you in a while
12:12:40  <PublicServer> <Dvohoritch> Hey
12:16:18  <Dvohoritch> !online
12:17:12  <V453000> !offline
12:17:16  <V453000> what does that do? :d
12:17:25  <V453000> or rather, whta do you expect it to do
12:21:19  <Dvohoritch> Give a list of people online
12:21:37  <Dvohoritch> But I forgot about the client list for half a second there
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12:23:11  <V453000> :)
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12:24:02  <Dom_> !players
12:24:05  <PublicServer> Dom_: Client 808 (Orange) is Dvohoritch, in company 1 (Gangsta Oil Inc.)
12:24:26  <Dvohoritch> Oh.
12:24:33  <Dvohoritch> OK.
12:24:39  <Dvohoritch> Derp.
12:36:25  <tycoondemon> hi V
12:36:35  <tycoondemon> havent been here in while also
12:36:50  <tycoondemon> I really should start playing some openttd again
12:36:55  <tycoondemon> but atm I play minecraft :O
12:37:06  <V453000> oh how dare you :)
12:37:12  <tycoondemon> well atvm I at work, but still :P
12:37:19  <V453000> :D
12:37:39  <tycoondemon> little time and 2 games to play
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12:53:56  <Dvohoritch> I've sort of got the same problem
12:54:57  <Dvohoritch> But with watching you guys play OpenTTD, MC, EU3, finishing that HOI3 game I've got laying around and playing LoL with some mates it's a bit more complicated to divide my time
12:55:09  <Dvohoritch> Also school after this weekend
12:55:28  <V453000> yeah games like lol are especially unfriendly with time
12:55:32  <V453000> hon player myself
12:56:22  <V453000> do you watch TI2?
12:59:59  <V453000> guess not .. :)
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13:44:24  <Dvohoritch> Anyone up for some TF2?
13:48:08  <ODM> been there, done that
13:48:10  <ODM> people are idiots
13:50:38  <V453000> :D
13:50:56  <V453000> I think that is a valid conclusion for any team game
13:51:12  <ODM> hehe
13:51:28  <V453000> if you dont play those games with friends, you have to be prepared for some seriously pointless flamewar
13:51:28  <ODM> the mvm is quite fun
13:51:51  <V453000> I honestly dont understand why do people do that but most of them does
13:52:44  <V453000> idk how in fps, but in the so called moba (dota/hon/lol) every person on the team is really important and can waste the whole game, so of course if someone does, the rest just blames him to death
13:53:43  <V453000> especially cute contrast to openttdcoop where people are always super nice :)
13:54:04  <Bassals> is that ironic?
13:55:35  <V453000> no?
13:56:04  <V453000> in those games I mentioned insulting other people is like n1 sport
13:56:15  <Bassals> ah okay :-)
13:56:32  <V453000> it is really unbelievable how disgustingly can people behave to each other there
13:57:24  <V453000> and I have to say I already got to a level of people who know the game pretty damn well, I cant even imagine the lower levels
13:57:46  <V453000> but I guess the general attitude stays
13:58:05  <ODM> tf2 isn't that bad generally really
13:58:10  <ODM> and you can take a few slackers:P
13:58:11  <Bassals> I am not really a fan of that kind of games so I do not really know...
13:59:03  <V453000> yeah ... this is a total extreme I think
14:00:04  <V453000> because the game is 1. really hard to learn as there is not really anyone to tell you what to do. 2. there is like 100 heroes and you need to know every of them very well (which takes shitload of time), 3. every member on  the 5man team is totally important, and 4. if you fuck up early, it will only get worse and worse later on
14:00:21  <ODM> not a big fan of the dota style tbh
14:00:24  <ODM> i prefer tower defense:D
14:00:33  <V453000> dota is amazing competitively
14:00:45  <V453000> after you get through all the shit and learn it, it is great
14:01:01  <V453000> after all I spend more time watching pro matches than actually playing
14:01:53  <V453000> the community is the problem; but that cant be fixed anyhow really
14:02:19  <V453000> only valid fix is to find reliable friends who might not play best, but at least behave like normal people
14:02:27  <V453000> and play with them
14:06:41  <Bassals> but how bad is that community?
14:06:54  <V453000> behavior wise?
14:06:58  <Bassals> i mean how likely is to end a game with insults and stuff
14:07:04  <V453000> 100%
14:07:14  <V453000> not a single game without it
14:07:18  <Bassals> ah then it's pretty bad
14:07:25  <V453000> its horrific
14:07:32  <V453000> not only by the amount but also the seriousness
14:07:43  <V453000> if you want to extend your vulgar dictionary, head there
14:07:59  <V453000> the way how mean and agressive those people can be is just incredible to me
14:08:22  <V453000> the reason is clear - they lost a game and find someone to blame for it
14:10:01  <V453000> these games are free to play so you could try it yourself :D but prepare yourself mentally
14:10:41  <V453000> generally I would say you either are willing to invest a lot of time in the game, or it isnt worth it
14:11:14  <V453000> I usually stick with a game for years, so for me it is worth it :)
14:11:59  <Bassals> I prefer openttd then
14:12:11  <V453000> openttd is the best game ever to me
14:13:07  <V453000> 1. calm and friendly, 2. with endless possibilities to make a complex network, 3. so much depth that it can make you busy for a few years :)
14:18:14  <V453000> ... not to mention when you are lucky enough to decide making a newgrf
14:18:39  <V453000> then you feel like day having only 24 hours is just broken
14:19:54  <Bassals> are you still thinking on a newgrf for industries?
14:20:05  <V453000> thinking, yes
14:20:17  <V453000> seeing possibility of having time for it anytime soon, no
14:21:02  <V453000> trains will have to be enough for now :>
14:22:48  <V453000> I would honestly love to continue doing these things, but I just do not have enough energy to start a new set right now
14:23:39  <Bassals> but do you still have to work on nuts?
14:23:52  <Bassals> i think it is great
14:24:02  <V453000> well, have to, I dont have to do anything but I want to :)
14:24:34  <V453000> I think it is a major success, but there are things that can be added
14:24:52  <V453000> like recolouring for all pax trains, improved sprites for many trains and wagons
14:25:03  <V453000> it is great and the current state is stable
14:25:07  <V453000> but can be improved
14:25:31  <V453000> and I am probably not going to abandon it for as long as I can envision those improvements
14:25:57  <V453000> or unless some extremely drastical change happens in my life of course
14:28:06  <V453000> oh and there still are some bugs in nuts btw :p
14:28:49  <V453000> today it is 5 months from the 0.0.1 actually :) exactly
14:30:53  <V453000> soooo.... beer time
14:31:01  <V453000> celebration
14:31:28  <V453000> and im apparently good at boring everybody to death, resulting in a monologue ^^
14:32:08  <Bassals> no, it is just that i was making questions
14:32:46  <V453000> :P
14:32:53  <Bassals> like a journalist you know XD
14:33:16  <V453000> lol
14:34:22  <Bassals> but I like that you want to refine nuts
14:35:16  <Bassals> I mean before actually starting to draw anothe newgrf
14:36:44  <V453000> well I would love to do both things at the same time but .. :D
14:37:06  <Bassals> you probably would not have enough time
14:37:54  <V453000> for sure not
14:38:09  <V453000> I mean, I _could_ do both very slowly
14:38:18  <V453000> but I feel like that is not the way to go
14:38:50  <Dvohoritch> I'm back
14:38:52  <V453000> when I do one thing I am focused on it and I think it brings a lot deeper involvement with that one thing, thus being in the end more productive
14:39:09  <Dvohoritch> But yeah, LoL's community is terribru.
14:39:19  <Dvohoritch> That's why I only do 5 man premades
14:39:25  <V453000> ye
14:39:46  <V453000> I dont like LoL tbh :) sucks competitively
14:39:59  <Dvohoritch> Meh
14:40:08  <Dvohoritch> For me they're all the same
14:40:12  <Dvohoritch> relatively
14:40:38  <V453000> hon and dota are really similar as they really are a competitive game, lol is a lot different I think
14:40:55  <Dvohoritch> LoL can also be competitive
14:40:58  <V453000> true that as time passes by hon gets farther and farther from dota as well, but the principle is the same
14:41:06  <Dvohoritch> But it's a lot easier to grasp AFAIK
14:41:21  <V453000> no, LoL is pretending to be competitive just because the developer pumps money in the tournaments
14:41:33  <V453000> but as a game it is just based on having fun randomly
14:41:46  <Dvohoritch> And it does a decent job at that
14:41:55  <V453000> I wont argue about that, I havent played it myself
14:42:20  <Dvohoritch> Except 99% of the games means you need to play with premades or complete retards/egotrippers/both
14:42:33  <Dvohoritch> Which is why I don't play it a lot
14:42:40  <V453000> yeah
14:42:49  <Dvohoritch> But the new TF2 update is really fun
14:43:02  <Dvohoritch> Although TF2 now has become too much stupidity
14:43:04  <Dvohoritch> and hats
14:43:37  <V453000> :D
14:43:52  <V453000> well dota2/hon also has a lot of visual crap you can buy
14:43:55  <V453000> makes it quite nice :)
14:43:56  <Dvohoritch> *Uhuh
14:44:04  <V453000> however the costs you can spend for it are just ridiculous
14:44:11  <Dvohoritch> But I liked it more when it was simpler
14:44:20  <Dvohoritch> Probably just me though
14:44:28  <Dvohoritch> But MvM is brilliant IMO
14:44:29  <V453000> idk, here these things are just visual, dont influence the game
14:44:44  <V453000> makes it refreshing but doesnt break anything
14:44:49  <Dvohoritch> Uhuh
14:44:57  <Dvohoritch> And that's the only thing that you should sel
14:44:59  <Dvohoritch> l
14:45:25  <V453000> in order to have the game validly competitive: yes :)
14:45:28  <Dvohoritch> If you sell anything thet upsets long-term balance, especially endgame, you've ruined your game
14:45:47  <Dvohoritch> Thet's why I have no problems with tank sales in WoT
14:46:02  <Dvohoritch> They're mostly sidegrades and/or not competitively viable
14:46:49  <V453000> I just find it silly to purchase a tank in a game for real money
14:48:30  <Dvohoritch> Well
14:48:45  <Dvohoritch> You can get premium gold with clans too
14:48:55  <Dvohoritch> And that's where I got my prem tanks from
14:49:05  <Dvohoritch> But they can be trolly
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18:47:37  <Tray> !password
18:47:37  <PublicServer> Tray: cutest
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19:41:16  <V453000> @logs
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19:52:00  <Maraxus> !password
19:52:01  <PublicServer> Maraxus: cutest
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19:59:43  <PublicServer> zubatej: cutest
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21:55:30  <V453000> pro zone game 20 done :P
22:24:16  <Dom_> savegame?
22:24:49  <mfb-> in the archive
22:25:19  <Dom_> found thx
22:25:33  <Dom_> btw its listed as game 19
22:25:49  <mfb-> ??
22:26:29  <mfb-> ah
22:27:12  <Dom_> damn cool graphics :D
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