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00:00:08 <PublicServer> <BenTotterdell> I figure its bedtime now 00:00:11 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> what is an S bend? 00:00:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> this 00:00:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> more descriptively 00:00:38 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> is the thing under my bridge a problem? 00:00:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> this could seem like CL3 00:00:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> but isnt because it is an Sbend 00:01:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> the thing you make is a normal CL1 00:01:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> bridges are fine 00:01:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> also gnight Ben :) 00:01:20 <PublicServer> *** BenTotterdell has left the game (leaving) 00:01:28 *** BenJTotterdell[1] has quit IRC 00:01:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh what 00:02:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> nevermind 00:02:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 00:02:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> I just fucked up 00:02:17 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> ? 00:02:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> I built secondary to the wrong station 00:07:00 <V453000> !auto 00:07:00 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode. 00:09:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> well the fruit is pretty wtf :) I gotta fix that tomorrow 00:10:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh well at least it is crates, could be worse 00:11:28 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 00:11:41 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> feel like I did this backwards 00:12:28 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> i should have split then merged 00:12:45 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 00:13:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> well the optimal case is to have an idea of both from the start ;) 00:13:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> but you can always fill it up somehow .) 00:13:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> that comes with time, just deal with the situation somehow 00:13:35 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> k 00:24:43 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 00:25:54 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 00:31:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> pretty well done 00:31:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 00:31:25 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> thanks, almost goti t 00:34:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> many industries are starting to get a monthly supply 00:34:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> skyrocketing production very soon 00:35:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> you can do this 00:35:35 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> oh 00:35:37 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> smart 00:35:47 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> ty :) 00:35:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> yw 00:36:16 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> that was genius 00:36:28 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> I don't see those things yet 00:36:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> pretty solid SLH, well done 00:36:34 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> ty 00:37:12 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> my first :) 00:37:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> exceptionally good for first SLH 00:38:29 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> I like it. 00:39:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> im mainly happy that the plan works flawless so far 00:39:23 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> I don't understand it haha 00:39:30 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> never played a refit game 00:39:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is actually pretty simple 00:39:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> trains from primaries go and deliver the raw cargo, then they pick up the supplies and return to their primary 00:40:12 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> so same train that delivers raws picks up the goods? 00:40:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> the other train on the inside (maglev) make sure that the supplies get produced from the raw cargo, and transfer them to make them ready for the raw trains 00:40:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> sort of 00:40:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> in a typical refit games it is for example oil -> goods 00:40:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> here it is a bit different 00:41:05 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> the orders are crazy 00:41:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> the point of all this is, we have a centralized production of supplies and then we redistribute them to all primaries, even those which cannot produce them in their chain 00:41:25 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> on the maglev trains 00:41:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> could be worse 00:41:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 00:41:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> this is the simpliest refit orders we have 00:42:02 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> what's all that logic for? 00:42:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is point B of plan 00:42:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> there is a wagon trick 00:42:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> 7 wagons are raw cargo, 8th is universal 00:42:35 <PublicServer> <V453000> so 8 wagons can refit to any raw cargo 00:42:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> and only 1 can refit to supplies 00:42:55 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> so it counts? 00:43:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> no no 00:43:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> the sugar/grain cannot use this trick as they are hoppers and farm supplies are hoppers too 00:43:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> so they would just refit all 8 00:43:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> and this logic makes sure only 1 wagon of supplies goes to each train 00:43:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> if you watch it carefully you can see that each train departs with 30t supplies 00:44:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> except this lost wood train :D 00:44:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> shouldnt happen again 00:44:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> anyway, this is just to make the trick affect also the grain/sugar farms :) 00:45:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> all other industries work with it as the wagon combination is available 00:45:19 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> neat 00:45:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah I really like it 00:45:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is arguably the cleanest way to do FIRS 00:45:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> and I have tried quite a few alread 00:45:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> y 00:45:53 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> FIRS? 00:45:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> the industry set 00:45:58 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> k 00:46:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> fun what can one insane train set do :> 00:46:57 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> so 00:47:15 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> this is the same thing multiple times right? 00:47:16 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> it's not just 1 thing 00:47:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> what do you mean 00:47:38 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> uh 00:47:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> the logic? 00:47:50 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> can multiple trains come through at once 00:47:54 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> or is all this logic for 1 train 00:47:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is one identical mechanism made 6 times 00:47:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> one for each platform 00:48:00 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> k 00:48:00 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> yeah 00:48:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> and I fucking hate those wood trains getting lost 00:48:24 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> does it fuck it up? 00:48:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> missing waypoints or what 00:48:58 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> nvm 00:49:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> should be fine now 00:50:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> the logic is rather simple 00:50:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> the small train is waiting for a big train to arrive into the waiting bay 00:50:16 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> all logic is once you understand it 00:50:20 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> I just don't understand it :) 00:50:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> once that happens, it goes to unload 00:50:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> when it is unloading, big train is released 00:50:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> and no new small train can go unload until big train is out of the platform 00:51:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> the gates are well ... gates :) 00:51:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> the triangle gates are a bit special, the circle is a NOT gate 00:51:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is a bit decribed in @ABR09 00:52:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> @@ABR09 00:52:03 <Webster> [Errno 113] No route to host - http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2011/01/21/advanced-building-revue-09-self-regulating-stations/ 00:52:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah that one 00:59:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> anyway 00:59:21 *** Jake|afk has quit IRC 00:59:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will have to go 00:59:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> im totally dead 00:59:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> cant remember when I was playing 12 hours straight last :D 00:59:44 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> haha k 00:59:46 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> good night V 00:59:52 *** Jake|afk has joined #openttdcoop 00:59:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> good times :) cya 01:00:09 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 01:00:09 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 01:17:27 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass has left the game (leaving) 02:07:36 *** Sass has quit IRC 03:07:35 *** Jake|afk has quit IRC 03:07:41 *** Jake|afk_ has joined #openttdcoop 03:07:42 *** Jake|afk_ is now known as Jake|afk 03:17:55 *** Jake|afk has quit IRC 04:07:17 *** TNepr has quit IRC 04:09:16 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 04:09:17 <PublicServer> *** Sylf joined the game 04:19:02 <PublicServer> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 05:03:59 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 05:20:12 *** Sylf has quit 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#openttdcoop 07:47:59 *** larich.oftc.net sets mode: +o Sylf 07:48:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Sylf 09:21:24 *** BenJTotterdell has joined #openttdcoop 09:21:58 *** BenJTotterdell is now known as Guest1459 09:22:07 <Guest1459> !password 09:22:07 <PublicServer> Guest1459: tanker 09:22:32 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:22:34 <PublicServer> *** BenTotterdell joined the game 09:24:22 <PublicServer> *** BenTotterdell has left the game (leaving) 09:24:22 *** Guest1459 has quit IRC 09:43:33 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 09:48:56 *** Sassafrass has joined #openttdcoop 09:49:00 <Sassafrass> !PASSWORD 09:49:03 <Sassafrass> !password 09:49:03 <PublicServer> Sassafrass: tanker 09:49:12 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:49:12 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass joined the game 10:02:05 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass has left the game (leaving) 10:33:59 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:34:01 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 10:35:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> morning bitches :) 10:45:52 <V453000> !unpause 10:45:52 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.) 10:45:54 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 10:47:27 <V453000> !auto 10:47:27 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode. 10:47:28 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 10:51:43 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:51:45 <PublicServer> *** Bassals joined the game 10:51:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> hio 10:51:53 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello 10:53:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> join company? :) 10:53:46 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has joined company #1 10:53:46 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 10:56:17 <PublicServer> <Bassals> there is actual alcohol in firs 10:56:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> used to be beer though 10:56:30 <PublicServer> <Bassals> I thought it was a joke... 10:56:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> :d 10:58:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> if you wanted to build then just pick a SLH spot :p 10:58:25 <PublicServer> <Bassals> I am still reading the plan hahhaha 10:58:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh ok :) 11:02:03 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 11:11:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> still reading? :P 11:11:43 <PublicServer> <Bassals> i finished that :-D 11:11:53 <PublicServer> <Bassals> are you building? 11:12:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> no im fixing nuts :) 11:12:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> building now, it compiles :s 11:12:44 <PublicServer> <Bassals> how big is the changelog? XD 11:12:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am probably going to add a seventh station as recyclables/fish 11:13:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> not big, 2 lines :) 11:13:10 <Dom_> !password 11:13:10 <PublicServer> Dom_: snared 11:13:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> just bugfixes/improvements, nothing new 11:13:19 <PublicServer> <Bassals> a seventh cluster? 11:13:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> speaking of something new I have a new blog "article" :p 11:13:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> not exactly cluster as it wont refit 11:13:38 <PublicServer> <Dom> hi 11:13:39 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 11:13:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> hy 11:14:01 <PublicServer> *** Dom has joined company #1 11:14:39 <PublicServer> <Bassals> but it seems that the 4th is still not done 11:15:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> fucking finally 11:15:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> funded fishing harbour 11:15:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> hard as hell 11:15:50 <PublicServer> <Bassals> did you want it in there? 11:16:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> well it is a bit far but 11:16:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> could do it elsewhere I guess 11:16:31 <V453000> !rcon set found_town 11:16:31 <PublicServer> V453000: Current value for 'found_town' is: '0' (min: 0, max: 2) 11:16:33 <V453000> !rcon set found_town 2 11:17:10 <V453000> !rcon set found_town 0 11:17:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> there we go 11:19:59 <PublicServer> <Dom> afk 11:20:01 <PublicServer> *** Dom has joined spectators 11:37:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> cool nuts fixed :) 11:38:16 <bassals> cool 11:42:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> and MSH 07 is there 11:55:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> trains grouped :) 12:05:41 <PublicServer> <Bassals> is there a reason for !this? 12:05:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> doubt that 12:10:46 <Sassafrass> !password 12:10:46 <PublicServer> Sassafrass: lashed 12:10:57 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass joined the game 12:11:00 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello 12:11:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> hiy 12:11:14 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> hey 12:11:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> nuts 0.3.4 available :) 12:11:30 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass has joined spectators 12:11:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will load it 12:11:54 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 12:11:54 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 12:13:04 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has left the game (leaving) 12:13:10 <V453000> !content 12:13:10 <PublicServer> V453000: Connection established 12:13:10 <PublicServer> V453000: Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes) 12:13:10 <PublicServer> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded) 12:13:24 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass has left the game (leaving) 12:13:24 <V453000> !content 12:13:26 <PublicServer> V453000: Expect timeout triggered! 12:13:26 <PublicServer> V453000: Downloading 6 file(s) (1299094 bytes) 12:13:26 <PublicServer> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded) 12:13:33 <V453000> !getsave https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/psg245start3.sav 12:13:35 <PublicServer> V453000: OK :-) 12:13:41 <V453000> !restart 12:13:41 <PublicServer> V453000: Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute! 12:14:01 <PublicServer> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely 12:14:01 <PublicServer> Thank you for playing r24578. 12:14:06 <PublicServer> Server has exited 12:14:07 *** PublicServer has quit IRC 12:14:43 *** PublicServer has joined #openttdcoop 12:14:43 <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged 12:14:43 <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 12:14:43 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG245 (r24578) | STAGE: Insanity (Building) | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/IRC_Commands" 12:14:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer 12:15:20 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000100A7: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/000100A7.png 12:15:22 <V453000> !rcon cd 3 12:15:23 <V453000> !rcon load 2 12:15:27 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 12:15:27 <V453000> !auto 12:15:27 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode. 12:15:29 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 12:15:29 <V453000> !changepw 12:15:29 <PublicServer> V453000: Password changed to mushes 12:15:41 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 12:15:41 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 12:15:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> :> 12:15:49 <bassals> is it okay to update a newgrf mid-game? 12:15:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> if you know what you are doing 12:16:03 <bassals> doesn't openttd freak out or something? 12:16:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> I know exactly what changes in nuts so it is :) 12:16:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> I wouldnt update any other train set for example 12:16:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> or if there was a major change in nuts 12:16:50 <Sassafrass> !password 12:16:50 <PublicServer> Sassafrass: mushes 12:17:00 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 12:17:00 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass joined the game 12:17:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> nuts isnt really getting any game-breaking features as replacing/removing engines so it is pretty safe 12:17:22 <TyrHeimdal> !help 12:17:22 <PublicServer> TyrHeimdal: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 12:17:24 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 12:17:25 <PublicServer> *** Bassals joined the game 12:17:29 <bassals> yea 12:17:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> changes are either changing appearance or adjusting train stats 12:17:35 <TyrHeimdal> @quickstart 12:17:38 <Webster> [Errno 113] No route to host - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 12:17:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> train stats could make your network jam but shouldnt crash anything 12:18:01 <bassals> !quickstart 12:18:06 <V453000> KenjiE20: Webster is having some issues with links - no route to host 12:18:09 <V453000> links are fine though 12:18:42 <KenjiE20> Ammler, ^Spike^ ^ servers broke again 12:18:47 <KenjiE20> :p 12:18:50 <V453000> :D 12:18:56 <bassals> oh 12:19:02 <Dom_> !password 12:19:02 <PublicServer> Dom_: mushes 12:19:11 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 12:19:11 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 12:19:19 <PublicServer> <Dom> hello 12:19:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> hy 12:19:30 <KenjiE20> (possbily broke still, whichever) 12:19:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> join :) 12:20:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> idk why do you even join as spectators :) 12:20:09 <PublicServer> <Dom> cant maybe later sry gtgo again but 12:20:16 <PublicServer> <Bassals> I can join 12:20:22 <PublicServer> <Dom> take a look to hvammstangi arable farm 12:20:26 <PublicServer> <Dom> exis is missing 12:20:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> guess why I want you to join 12:20:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> seriously spectating is pointless 12:20:44 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has joined company #1 12:20:44 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 12:21:05 <PublicServer> <Dom> anyways gtgo again :D 12:21:36 <Sassafrass> I'm spectating 12:21:37 <Sassafrass> that's why 12:23:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> still useful to put signs of the results of your spectating etc .p 12:24:40 <PublicServer> <Bassals> what do you mean? 12:24:46 <PublicServer> <Bassals> like unfinished things? 12:24:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> like anything worth reporting :) 12:25:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> placing signs for discussion, fixing things 12:25:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> anything 12:25:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> never hurts to be in the company 12:25:44 <PublicServer> <Bassals> by the way, do you guys like PBS now 12:25:57 <PublicServer> <Bassals> I can see a lot of them and you use to hate them 12:25:59 <Sassafrass> yes 12:26:07 <Sassafrass> Oh 12:26:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> it has its uses 12:26:12 <Sassafrass> I thought you were asking about the new graphics 12:26:12 <KenjiE20> we never hated them 12:26:22 <KenjiE20> we just hated people being lazy with them 12:26:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> more like that 12:27:09 <PublicServer> <Bassals> the entrance to FISH DROP is a bit lazy 12:27:28 <PublicServer> <V453000> not exactly 12:27:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is the same as presignals technically 12:27:36 <Ammler> @quickstart 12:27:37 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 12:27:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> worse are the various X-es and stuff 12:27:49 <Ammler> fixed? 12:27:56 <V453000> seemingly :) 12:29:07 <PublicServer> <Bassals> I can see that in a few months we will be using PBS like regular signals in ML 12:29:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> ... 12:29:13 <PublicServer> <Bassals> I'm kidding XD 12:29:22 * KenjiE20 would slap bassals, but is not being violent today 12:30:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> it is just two different things which can and should be used differently. But situations where they can be exchanged (pbs for presignals and vice versa), people start comparing them 12:30:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> which is dumb as hell 12:32:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> generally, pre-signals are better for specific precise logic in total, not jsut the logic which is gates 12:32:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> PBS can be abused because it searches for the path based on the things directly in front of it 12:32:29 <KenjiE20> while PBS is good for parallel processing 12:32:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> I wouldnt even mention that 12:32:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is actually the thing which makes people go wtf 12:33:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> but the real usage is elsewhere 12:33:16 <V453000> let me show 12:33:24 <KenjiE20> mutli pathed junctions is pretty much all I use it for in my games :p 12:34:09 <PublicServer> <Bassals> when I came here pretty much the only use for PBS were as a PFP 12:34:13 <V453000> yes and that is the wrong thing 12:34:33 <V453000> I mean, it obviously works 12:34:37 <V453000> but main usage is elsewhere 12:35:32 <KenjiE20> yeah, my games aren't about throughput, I like them 'ineresting' :) 12:35:43 <KenjiE20> interesting* 12:36:17 <V453000> best shown here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/PBSstuff1.png 12:36:28 <V453000> the unique feature is that PBS can decide which of the prios is green 12:36:28 <V453000> and go there 12:36:31 <V453000> you cant do that with presignals 12:36:46 <V453000> and it works really well 12:37:25 <V453000> almost every other usage of PBS is not really important as it can be solved otherwise 12:37:26 <V453000> this cant 12:37:44 <V453000> see my point? 12:38:02 <KenjiE20> yep 12:38:25 <KenjiE20> but like I say, I play my games different :p 12:38:28 <V453000> I guess I dont have to make example of what presignals can do and PBS cant ... that is abit obvious :) 12:38:36 <V453000> meh :) 12:38:36 <KenjiE20> whoops, didn't close the bold right 12:39:18 <V453000> but of course we also use PBS in "messy" stuff 12:39:25 <V453000> often it doesnt even make problems 12:39:48 <V453000> psg219 which had 2666 trains had a lot of that 12:39:49 <V453000> and it worked flawless 12:40:39 <V453000> so by no means I am saying that the multitasking feature of PBS is bad; but it should not be taken as the primary one I think ... simply because noobs use it only that way and get stuck with it 12:41:05 <V453000> usually making people use presignals is the first key step towards the "right" building :) 12:41:05 <Webster> Latest update from dznews: DevZone Help Center - Unresolveable Issues <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/73> || OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.4.5 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/72> || DevZone Help Center - Hardware Check <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/71> || World Airliners Set - Release of Version 0.1 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/70> || GRFCodec / NFORenum - GRFCodec 6.0.1 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/69> 12:44:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> well I will have to go for local elections and some other stuff 12:44:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> communists gonna win with 40% :D our region is fucked 12:44:21 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 12:44:21 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 12:44:45 <bassals> oh really? 12:44:50 <V453000> oh fucking really :( 12:44:59 <V453000> not like we had communism for 40 years 12:46:03 <bassals> I though that most former communist countries had a small support for modern communism 12:46:38 <V453000> yes, 20-40% 12:46:40 <V453000> :d 12:46:46 <V453000> it is a bit complicated here 12:46:59 <bassals> I guess 12:47:07 <V453000> current "right wing" government is trying to uncover corruption but of course it goes also against them 12:47:21 <V453000> and all communists do is populistic crap which the people eat completely 12:47:48 <bassals> I don't really know much about Czech politics 12:47:55 <bassals> Catalan politics are exciting enough 12:47:59 <V453000> we have two communistic parties, ones call them socialists but they are probably even worse than communists 12:48:12 <V453000> in total they currently have about 40% 12:49:12 <bassals> but are they like social democratic or something more commie? 12:49:23 <V453000> officially social democratic 12:49:28 <V453000> but with same program as commies 12:50:01 <V453000> they are just hand in hand, idk why arent they as one party 12:51:01 <V453000> but well, government elections should be in about 1.5 years so I hope things are going to change a bit 12:51:05 <V453000> so far it is changing to worse 12:53:23 <PublicServer> <Sassafrass> hmm 12:54:47 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has joined spectators 13:07:39 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 13:17:08 *** cyph3r has joined #openttdcoop 13:19:52 *** Sassafrass_ has joined #openttdcoop 13:19:56 <Sassafrass_> Hey V 13:20:11 <Sassafrass_> or anyone 13:20:15 <Sassafrass_> can you tell me what's wrong here 13:20:16 <Sassafrass_> http://screencast.com/t/2Du4B3PQRYu 13:20:17 <Webster> Title: 2012-10-12_0719 - Sastoman's library (at screencast.com) 13:20:30 <Sassafrass_> the train likes to go to the red exit signal over the green combo signal 13:22:39 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 13:23:28 *** Sassafrass has quit IRC 13:23:51 *** Dom_ has left #openttdcoop 13:24:37 <Ammler> Sassafrass_: force atrain to use the green path 13:26:05 <Sassafrass_> how 13:26:09 <PublicServer> *** Sassafrass has left the game (leaving) 13:30:26 *** Sassafrass_ has quit IRC 13:42:14 *** efess has quit IRC 14:08:42 <TyrHeimdal> !help 14:08:42 <PublicServer> TyrHeimdal: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands 14:09:57 <TyrHeimdal> hmmm 14:10:08 <TyrHeimdal> how do I join the servers to watch? 14:10:21 <TyrHeimdal> well, joining the servers at all is a good start 14:12:03 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 14:13:39 <Ammler> @quickstart 14:13:40 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 14:13:46 <Ammler> TyrHeimdal: ^ 14:14:28 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 14:15:01 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop 14:15:51 <TyrHeimdal> Ah! 14:16:02 <TyrHeimdal> that didn't eork when I tried it earlier today :) 14:16:04 <TyrHeimdal> thanks :) 14:16:06 <TyrHeimdal> *work 14:23:30 <bassals> you can spectate to look what has been done but right now there's nobody playing 14:36:08 <V453000> !password 14:36:08 <PublicServer> V453000: huffed 14:36:20 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:36:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> hyyy 14:36:20 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 14:37:41 <Tray> !password 14:37:41 <PublicServer> Tray: huffed 14:38:10 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:38:10 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:38:12 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 14:38:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 14:38:28 <PublicServer> <Tray> hi 14:38:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi hi 14:51:56 *** TNepr has joined #openttdcoop 15:00:59 *** TNepr1 has joined #openttdcoop 15:08:28 *** TNepr has quit IRC 15:12:49 *** elecRules has quit IRC 15:33:35 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 15:34:33 *** cyph3r has quit IRC 15:35:36 *** efess has joined #openttdcoop 15:37:28 *** TNepr1 has quit IRC 15:38:57 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (connection lost) 15:38:57 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:38:58 *** Tray has quit IRC 15:39:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> :z 15:39:10 <V453000> !unpause 15:39:10 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.) 15:39:11 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:49:17 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 16:10:53 <TyrHeimdal> bassals: I just wanna look and see how things are buildt, and try to follow the progress and learn a bit now and then :) 16:11:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> just join :) 16:11:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> nobody will eat your head off 16:13:41 <bassals> of course 16:17:00 <bassals> also I can answer you if you have any specific question TyrHeimdal 16:17:10 <TyrHeimdal> sweet 16:17:16 <TyrHeimdal> This is why I love IRC still 16:17:23 <TyrHeimdal> people are still nice here :P 16:19:03 <V453000> not on all IRC channels :) 16:19:10 <TyrHeimdal> I know, I know 16:19:23 <TyrHeimdal> I' 16:19:37 <TyrHeimdal> I've been on IRC for about 16-17 years 16:19:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh :d 16:20:04 <TyrHeimdal> but this is a nice channel, with nice people. It's not hard to tell :) 16:20:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes :) 16:20:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> except me, I am a terrible person 16:20:37 <TyrHeimdal> right, thanks for the heads up ^^ 16:20:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> having problems with joining the server or? :) 16:21:35 <TyrHeimdal> Version mismatch 16:21:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> @@quickstart 16:21:42 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 16:21:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> it should all be covered there 16:23:03 <TyrHeimdal> !dl win64 16:23:03 <PublicServer> TyrHeimdal: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r24578/openttd-trunk-r24578-windows-win64.zip 16:24:36 <bassals> V453000: are all of the current newgrf in bananas? 16:24:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> + pack of course 16:24:50 <bassals> or will he need the pack? 16:25:01 <bassals> ah 16:25:56 <TyrHeimdal> grf pack over twice the size of the game itself? ^^ 16:26:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> not too surprising :) 16:27:07 <TyrHeimdal> it says to unpack it into the newgrf folder 16:27:15 <TyrHeimdal> i don't have one 16:27:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> you sure? :p 16:27:23 <TyrHeimdal> just make it in the game root folder? 16:27:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> windows? 16:27:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> documents/opnttd/data is the best folder 16:27:45 <bassals> not in the same foldes ar the executable 16:27:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> you could put it to the game but if you do that then it works only for that one version 16:28:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> so if you use multiple versions, documents is better as it works for all 16:28:10 <bassals> yes that's what I mean 16:28:13 <TyrHeimdal> aaah 16:28:30 <TyrHeimdal> that could be clearer in the documentation 16:28:37 <bassals> usually the savegames and the newgrf you want to save them in the documents so that it's shared 16:28:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> tell them but dont mention my name :) 16:30:16 <TyrHeimdal> !password 16:30:16 <PublicServer> TyrHeimdal: loomed 16:30:25 <PublicServer> *** TyrHeimdal joined the game 16:30:28 <TyrHeimdal> theeeere we go 16:30:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> welcome :) 16:30:42 <TyrHeimdal> thanks :) 16:33:20 <TyrHeimdal> oh my.... 16:33:36 <TyrHeimdal> that's quite a bit more different types of goods... 16:33:50 <PublicServer> <Bassals> this game we are using FIRS 16:34:16 <PublicServer> <Bassals> that is a newgrf with many different kinds of industries 16:35:43 <PublicServer> <TyrHeimdal> This is so cool! :D 16:35:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 16:37:03 <bassals> v: did you want to test nuts with firs? 16:37:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> not exactly 16:37:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> just wanted to use it :) 16:37:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> the plan isnt possible with any other train set 16:37:43 <PublicServer> <Bassals> because of the univ wagon? 16:37:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> of course 16:38:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> also I cant say I am somehow terrible attracted by other sets anymore :) 16:39:22 <PublicServer> <Bassals> I understand, NUTS is great 16:41:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> im going to make something totally off the chain now :) 16:41:10 <PublicServer> <Bassals> ? 16:42:00 <PublicServer> <Bassals> engineering supplies is a battery? 16:42:03 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hahaha 16:42:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> hell yes 16:42:14 <TyrHeimdal> bbl, got to feed the baby, and evetually put her to bed :) 16:42:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> it powers up the industries :) 16:42:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> see you :) 16:42:51 <PublicServer> *** TyrHeimdal has left the game (leaving) 16:55:53 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 16:56:01 <Dom_> !password 16:56:01 <PublicServer> Dom_: spires 16:56:15 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 16:56:22 <PublicServer> <Dom> hello 16:56:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> h 16:56:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> y 16:56:28 <TyrHeimdal> Looking at all the railways you guys are building, I have no idea how or where to start trying to understand how it's all connected 16:56:40 <PublicServer> <Dom> wiki page :) 16:56:47 <PublicServer> <Dom> that's where i started 16:56:53 <PublicServer> <Dom> and stable server 16:57:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> stable server is useful only if you dont know absolutely anything, like not even signals 16:57:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> and you still learn here faster no matter what 16:57:23 <PublicServer> <Dom> true 16:58:10 <TyrHeimdal> I got the point with entry and exit pre-signals 16:58:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> thats good 16:58:30 <TyrHeimdal> but that's about it 16:58:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is enough :) 16:59:01 <TyrHeimdal> not the combo signals though 16:59:25 <TyrHeimdal> well, I got the point, but didn't get it to work as I wanted 16:59:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> just try to build stuff here 16:59:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> start from small stations and work from up there 16:59:49 <PublicServer> <Dom> and ABR 16:59:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> ABR is for later 16:59:59 <TyrHeimdal> abr? 17:00:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> advanced building revue, a series of articles about theory 17:00:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> the advanced is there for a reason 17:00:46 <TyrHeimdal> hehe, usually is 17:01:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> yay 17:01:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> my farm cluster is running 17:03:26 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has joined company #1 17:07:03 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (general timeout) 17:07:03 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (connection lost) 17:07:26 <Dom_> !password 17:07:26 <PublicServer> Dom_: bubbly 17:07:44 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 17:08:04 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (general timeout) 17:08:04 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (connection lost) 17:09:19 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 17:09:35 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 17:15:11 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop 17:21:24 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 17:21:24 *** Dom__ is now known as Dom_ 17:23:15 <PublicServer> <Bassals> is it OK to send trains to the brickworks? 17:23:31 <PublicServer> <Bassals> even though it is not connected yet to the central station? 17:23:41 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hmmm I guess it is... 17:24:39 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 17:24:57 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 17:29:11 *** Firestar has joined #openttdcoop 17:29:39 <Firestar> hi 17:29:49 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello 17:30:15 <Firestar> how things going? 17:30:24 <PublicServer> <Bassals> okay 17:30:36 <Firestar> lot to build in server? 17:30:52 <PublicServer> <Bassals> sort of 17:31:09 <Firestar> !password 17:31:09 <PublicServer> Firestar: rinked 17:31:55 <PublicServer> *** Firestar joined the game 17:33:47 *** Jam35 has joined #openttdcoop 17:36:14 <PublicServer> <Bassals> can we connect fishes? 17:37:02 <PublicServer> <Firestar> long time no see V453000 17:41:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> hello 17:41:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes fishes are ready ... not too complicated .p 17:42:21 <PublicServer> <Bassals> it does not say to accept fish 17:42:23 <PublicServer> <Bassals> to me 17:42:34 <PublicServer> <V453000> doesn ow 17:42:41 <PublicServer> <Firestar> bassals wanna build together a bit? i need to get into the game again xD 17:43:01 <PublicServer> <Bassals> okay 17:44:45 <PublicServer> <Firestar> just tell me where youre working 17:45:12 <PublicServer> <Bassals> well i just built sudhureyri fish to try fishes 17:45:18 <PublicServer> <Bassals> but it's finished 17:45:48 <PublicServer> <Bassals> apparently people in fishing grounds prefer to bottle fish 17:45:58 <PublicServer> <Bassals> rather that fish it 17:46:13 <PublicServer> <Firestar> lol 17:46:18 <Dom_> !password 17:46:18 <PublicServer> Dom_: tolled 17:46:28 <PublicServer> <Bassals> that sentence sounds weird in english 17:46:35 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 17:46:48 <PublicServer> <Dom> hi 17:46:54 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello 17:46:54 <PublicServer> <Firestar> hi 17:48:01 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 17:51:05 <PublicServer> <Bassals> fish trains will not need to refit 17:51:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 17:51:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> there is no reason to 17:51:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> why dont you build a new SLH :/ 17:51:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> there are four total 17:51:58 <PublicServer> <Firestar> erm V 17:52:16 <PublicServer> <Firestar> i havent played ottd for like 2-3 months xD 17:52:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> me neither? 17:52:29 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 17:52:35 <TyrHeimdal> Aaaaaah, now this should be a nice evening. Kid is in bed, GF is at a concert with her mom, nachos with cheese in the oven, Babylon 5 playing on the HTPC and now to fire up openttd again 17:52:47 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello again 17:52:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 17:53:03 <PublicServer> <Firestar> maybe i forgot how to make SLHs? 17:53:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> you cant do that 17:53:15 <TyrHeimdal> !password 17:53:15 <PublicServer> TyrHeimdal: tolled 17:53:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> at least I cant imagine how 17:53:24 <PublicServer> *** TyrHeimdal joined the game 17:54:00 <PublicServer> <Firestar> can you imagine me forgetting some things when i play GTA for 2-3 months and no ottd? 17:54:10 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hahahaha 17:54:13 <PublicServer> <Dom> V 17:54:20 <PublicServer> <Dom> you forgott a line in msh 07 17:54:26 <TyrHeimdal> but they are almost the same game!? 17:54:27 <TyrHeimdal> :P 17:54:43 <PublicServer> <Firestar> not on multiplayer 17:54:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> I can imagine that GTA generates esrious mindfuck, but still, openttd is logical game, everything in it makes sense, I dont understand how do you forget something 17:55:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh yeah thanks :) 17:55:09 <PublicServer> <Dom> :) 17:55:15 <PublicServer> <Dom> np 17:55:19 <PublicServer> <Firestar> school stuff etc 17:56:33 <PublicServer> *** Firestar has left the game (leaving) 17:56:48 *** Firestar has quit IRC 17:57:30 <TyrHeimdal> Just beneth the sign saying MSH01/V453000 there are 2-3 rectangels with light on them 17:57:44 <TyrHeimdal> what do they do? 17:57:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> @@priority 17:57:55 <V453000> @prio 17:57:55 <Webster> prio: Priority, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Priorities 17:58:23 <TyrHeimdal> kk, reading :) 17:59:37 <PublicServer> <Dom> gtgo 17:59:39 <PublicServer> <Dom> bb 17:59:42 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 17:59:43 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 18:03:16 <TyrHeimdal> ok, I think i understand how they work 18:03:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> the purpose is rather simple 18:03:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> they give way 18:03:49 <TyrHeimdal> yeah, that part I understood 18:03:59 <PublicServer> <V453000> the usage is a bit different, they are used to make trains choose the right track where is not high traffic 18:04:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> and stuff around that 18:04:12 <TyrHeimdal> aha 18:04:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> for example 18:04:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> if you merge one line which does not have any choices 18:04:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> and a line which chooses from 3 other lines 18:04:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> the one which has no choice must get priority because it must not jam 18:05:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> you will get that when you build mergers, that is later on 18:06:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> first off you should try to either build small stations on a sideline 18:06:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> or even try a sideline hub 18:07:15 <TyrHeimdal> ...and those insane speed trains running in circles? 18:08:09 <bassals> buff that is logic stuff 18:08:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is logic gates, ignoere that for the moment 18:08:25 <TyrHeimdal> roger 18:08:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> simply said it is trains which react on presignals and do something with the 18:08:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> like inverting green to red signal typically 18:11:10 <TyrHeimdal> should I watch for a while? or should I join and try to build something under strict supervision? 18:11:27 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 18:11:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> as you want really 18:11:44 <PublicServer> <V453000> building is obviously the best way to learn 18:11:52 <[1]Mark> yo 18:11:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> investigating stuff is good too of course 18:11:55 <[1]Mark> wtf 18:11:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi noob 18:12:01 <V453000> [1] 18:12:08 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello mark 18:13:00 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 18:14:20 <Mark> !password 18:14:20 <PublicServer> Mark: victor 18:14:28 <PublicServer> *** Mark joined the game 18:14:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> hyyyy 18:14:36 <PublicServer> <Mark> noob 18:14:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> ^^ 18:15:03 <PublicServer> <Mark> :P 18:15:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 18:15:08 <PublicServer> <Bassals> are you in Europe? 18:15:10 <PublicServer> <Mark> i am 18:15:16 <PublicServer> <Mark> dunno why 18:15:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> he is so dumb he doesnt even know where he is 18:15:25 <TyrHeimdal> I had no idea there where "addons" making the game this complex 18:15:35 <PublicServer> <Mark> i dont even know who i am most of the time 18:15:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> :DDD 18:15:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah, newGRFs can do basically anything :) 18:17:00 <bassals> that is a bit of an overstatement.... 18:17:15 <PublicServer> *** TyrHeimdal has left the game (leaving) 18:17:25 <TyrHeimdal> !password 18:17:25 <PublicServer> TyrHeimdal: rascal 18:17:34 <V453000> well they obviously wont turn the game into a RPG FPS shooter 18:17:34 <PublicServer> *** TyrHeimdal joined the game 18:17:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> but you can change pretty much anything in the game 18:19:28 *** tneo- is now known as tneo 18:22:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> anyone discovered my triple refit cheat yet? :) 18:27:57 <PublicServer> <Bassals> wow why did you make such a complex in the FS pickup? 18:28:11 <PublicServer> <Bassals> is it so that FS don't decay, perhaps? 18:28:34 <PublicServer> <Mark> that is cheating :P 18:29:16 <PublicServer> <Bassals> cheating? ¬¬' 18:29:30 <Jam35> you mean refitting to 3 cargoes simultaneously? 18:29:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> its not cheating 18:29:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> Jam35 pretty much 18:29:38 <Jam35> why cheating? 18:29:57 <PublicServer> <V453000> the FS pickup just allows for the 30t of cargo per train pickup 18:30:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> otherwise trains would take everything they can 18:30:13 <PublicServer> <Bassals> ah yeah 18:30:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> because cargoes which are in hopper and FS in hopper cannot do the trick 18:30:29 <PublicServer> <Bassals> for hopper cargos 18:30:43 <PublicServer> <Mark> makes no sense 18:30:46 <PublicServer> <V453000> how come 18:30:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> this way sugar and grain trains get their supplies 18:31:06 <PublicServer> <Mark> jk :P 18:31:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> :DDD 18:31:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> nub 18:31:25 <TyrHeimdal> you rang? :P 18:31:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> and while at it, the triple refit is to allow 1->6 split and not make trains load there 18:31:47 <PublicServer> <Mark> where is that triple refit? 18:31:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> if it was just livestock/milk/FS train, they would load LV/milk 18:32:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> bottom corner of the map, cant miss it 18:32:35 <PublicServer> <Mark> right 18:33:25 <PublicServer> <Mark> thats stupid 18:33:28 <PublicServer> <Mark> pretty clever 18:33:31 <PublicServer> <V453000> :D 18:33:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 18:33:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> :( 18:33:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 18:35:48 <Mark> wtf you drunk? :P 18:36:06 <V453000> nah just couldnt decide what to make of your retarded answer 18:36:11 <V453000> <3 18:36:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 18:41:45 <bassals> !ping 18:41:45 <PublicServer> bassals: pong 18:44:49 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has left the game (general timeout) 18:44:49 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has left the game (connection lost) 18:46:43 <TyrHeimdal> This...is overwhelming 18:46:45 <TyrHeimdal> so! 18:46:50 <TyrHeimdal> where do you want me to start? 18:46:58 <TyrHeimdal> I'm a total n00b here 18:47:12 <PublicServer> *** Jam35 joined the game 18:47:20 <PublicServer> <Jam35> hi 18:47:26 <TyrHeimdal> hi 18:48:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> idk, sideline stations require refit and SLH is under traffic and with LLL_RRR 18:48:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> pick :) 18:48:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> for either, definitely get a partner 18:50:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> I have to go so I wont be particularly useful 18:50:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will be around but having guests 18:50:32 <TyrHeimdal> np 18:50:45 <TyrHeimdal> I'll try to watch some more first me thinks 18:52:20 *** cyph3r has joined #openttdcoop 18:52:35 <PublicServer> *** TyrHeimdal has left the game (leaving) 18:57:15 <PublicServer> *** Jam35 has left the game (leaving) 18:57:38 <bassals> i'm back 18:58:15 <PublicServer> *** Bassals joined the game 18:58:38 <PublicServer> <Bassals> ah but he's gone 18:58:53 <TyrHeimdal> ppl left 19:09:55 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has joined spectators 19:13:39 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has left the game (general timeout) 19:13:39 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has left the game (connection lost) 19:15:08 *** Mark has quit IRC 19:15:13 <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (leaving) 19:18:07 *** bassals has quit IRC 19:34:36 *** mfb- has joined #openttdcoop 19:34:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mfb- 19:34:44 <mfb-> hi 19:35:43 <mfb-> !password 19:35:43 <PublicServer> mfb-: arouse 19:35:55 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 19:36:00 *** bassals has joined #openttdcoop 19:39:47 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 19:39:59 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh, progress 19:43:29 <PublicServer> <mfb> I think CD entrance needs trains (?) 19:44:21 <PublicServer> <mfb> ah... 19:44:22 *** cyph3r has quit IRC 19:44:27 <PublicServer> <mfb> I see 19:47:33 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop 19:47:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o SmatZ 19:48:00 *** Tray has quit IRC 19:58:24 *** TNepr has joined #openttdcoop 20:07:00 *** bassals has quit IRC 20:09:09 <PublicServer> <mfb> FrozenFish Coal Mine, great 20:09:41 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 20:11:15 <Maraxus> !password 20:11:15 <PublicServer> Maraxus: legals 20:11:31 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus joined the game 20:11:33 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi 20:26:56 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has joined spectators 20:41:54 <PublicServer> <mfb> first brickworks-ES :) 21:20:34 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 21:20:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 21:41:56 *** elecRules has joined #openttdcoop 21:42:17 *** elecRules is now known as Guest1523 21:46:42 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has joined company #1 22:06:59 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:23:54 <PublicServer> <mfb> my quarry is cheating 22:24:00 <PublicServer> <mfb> had 1000 production before 22:24:16 <PublicServer> <mfb> but now it reads "maximum production reached" with just 896 tons 22:24:34 <PublicServer> <mfb> there, 1008 again 22:24:52 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> something to do with delivered supplies? 22:25:10 <PublicServer> <mfb> which I cannot see, as max production is reached :D 22:25:18 <PublicServer> <mfb> reykholt quarry 22:28:48 <PublicServer> <mfb> stable at 1008 now 22:28:52 <PublicServer> <mfb> strange 22:29:23 <PublicServer> <mfb> and that dredging site refuses to increase its production. 252 tons each 22:29:51 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> not at max? 22:29:57 <PublicServer> <mfb> far away from max 22:30:35 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh, 261. first change this year :D 22:36:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> hi :) 22:36:44 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 22:36:46 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi 22:37:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> oh building materials :) 22:37:36 <PublicServer> <mfb> was missing somehow 22:38:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> somehow :) 22:38:28 <PublicServer> <mfb> do we use scrap metals from recycling stuff? 22:38:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> we could send it to alu plant 22:38:54 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:39:01 <PublicServer> <mfb> that was my point 22:39:01 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 22:39:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 22:39:20 <PublicServer> <V453000> what else eh :) 22:39:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> just do it :) 22:39:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> nike 22:39:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> :p 22:39:59 <PublicServer> <mfb> busy with bauxite :p 22:40:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 22:40:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> have you seen my triple refit at the farm cluster yet? .) 22:40:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> SLH 04 22:40:45 <PublicServer> <mfb> triple refit? I saw the system 22:40:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh 22:40:53 <PublicServer> <mfb> why that? 22:41:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> the Cephalic Detonator? 22:41:23 <PublicServer> <mfb> why triple refit? 22:41:47 <PublicServer> <V453000> because if the supply trains had lv/milk available to pickup, they would 22:42:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> so if you do BM/alcohol trains can only uload FS at the farms 22:42:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> cant load anything 22:42:25 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh they do that all in 1 depot 22:42:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah that is the mgic 22:42:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> magic :) 22:42:44 <PublicServer> <mfb> nice 22:42:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> you can even observe that if you look at the depot interface 22:43:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> it happens in stages 22:43:13 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 22:43:14 <PublicServer> <mfb> yeah 22:44:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> h 22:44:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> m 22:44:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> petrol & chemicals at center look jamming :D 22:44:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> fuck. :) 22:44:52 <PublicServer> <mfb> :D 22:44:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> refinery drop, too 22:45:05 <PublicServer> <mfb> bad balancing 22:45:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> amazing 22:45:09 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah 22:45:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> rather none than bad :) 22:46:53 <PublicServer> <V453000> well it is to be expected that refinery is the biggest, followed by metal 22:47:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> biggest production of supplies 22:47:17 <PublicServer> <mfb> SLH01 had some jam issues before 22:47:29 <PublicServer> <mfb> so I doubled the number of lines there :D 22:48:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> idk why but people seem to be extremely lazy to build just a fucking SLH 22:48:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> 4 sideline hubs in 2 days? wtf 22:49:28 <PublicServer> <mfb> takes some time 22:49:42 <PublicServer> <V453000> admittedly this game is not exacly beginner friendly, BBH is always hard, SLH is LLL_RRR and primary stations require refit 22:49:57 <PublicServer> <mfb> well, you can copy primary orders 22:50:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> but still, 4 is just ridiculous nuber, provided that you built one, I built 2 and Sassafrass built 1 22:50:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah but still :) 22:50:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> scares people 22:52:16 <PublicServer> <mfb> do you know why a quarry can have a variable production at "maximum production reached"? 22:52:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> what? it differs? 22:52:34 <PublicServer> <mfb> reykholt quarry 22:52:37 <PublicServer> <V453000> that I totally was not aware of 22:52:39 <PublicServer> <mfb> was 1008 before, 896 now 22:53:05 <PublicServer> <mfb> that was the second industry to get ES I think 22:53:15 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is pretty wtf 22:53:35 <PublicServer> <mfb> forests have the same feature 22:53:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> the order in which they get ES doesnt matter that much; I think industries can not only just die, but they cant even reduce production I think 22:54:08 <PublicServer> <mfb> well, it just means that the industry had enough time to reach max production 22:54:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> reaching max production and changing tat is weird though 22:54:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah 22:54:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will consult that with andy 22:54:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> (author of firs) 22:56:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> hm shitload of oil at SLH 02 :D 22:56:43 <PublicServer> <mfb> it is oil, what do you expect :p 22:56:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> the maximum production is relatively easy to reach 22:56:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> after you get 1 train of supplies / month 22:58:43 *** TNepr1 has joined #openttdcoop 22:59:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> we could just add 1 more set of 4platforms for petrol/chemicals at center 22:59:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> IF THAT FUCKING BRICKWORKS WASNT IN THE WAY 22:59:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 23:00:02 <PublicServer> <mfb> other side 23:00:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> I will remove it by dozer eventually tomorrow 23:00:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> or yeah other side :) 23:00:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> true 23:00:37 <PublicServer> <mfb> move animals 4 tiles and the connection is fine 23:00:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> ye 23:01:50 <PublicServer> <V453000> fuck you authority 23:02:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> stations .) 23:02:54 <PublicServer> <mfb> both industries @ metal station get both cargo types now :) 23:03:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> thats good 23:03:10 <PublicServer> <mfb> so we get endless metal 23:03:12 <PublicServer> <mfb> +ES 23:03:14 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is how it is intended how it should work after all 23:03:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah 23:03:20 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 23:03:59 <PublicServer> <mfb> do we use MS anywhere? 23:04:05 <PublicServer> <V453000> not yat 23:04:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> yet 23:04:11 *** TNepr has quit IRC 23:04:17 <PublicServer> <V453000> I am waiting for the chain which needs to accept more FS 23:04:23 <PublicServer> <V453000> so we would send the MS there 23:04:37 <Dom_> !password 23:04:37 <PublicServer> Dom_: rodent 23:04:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> so there would be more (food/stuff) trains there -> more supplies 23:04:53 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 23:04:55 <PublicServer> <Dom> hiii 23:04:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 23:05:00 *** TNepr has joined #openttdcoop 23:05:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> hiy 23:05:06 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi 23:05:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> :) 23:05:39 <PublicServer> <Dom> if i bould something plese check it twice :) 23:05:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> hm 23:05:52 <PublicServer> <V453000> the question is if we want to actually improve the throughput for petrol/chemicals 23:05:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> :p 23:06:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> 7.5k FS and 500 ES is kinda enough :D 23:06:11 <PublicServer> <mfb> just drop it, without picking more FS? 23:06:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> also an option but would make a mess 23:06:27 <PublicServer> <mfb> 500 ES is not much 23:06:29 <PublicServer> <V453000> if we have enough FS in general then just lets pick it 23:06:32 <PublicServer> <mfb> metal+brickworks have ~1k 23:06:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah that isnt 23:06:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> FS is in large amounts everywher 23:06:56 <PublicServer> <V453000> so fuck that 23:07:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> ES is t he question 23:07:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> we could make a few chemical trains to deliver ES 23:07:36 <PublicServer> <V453000> but I guess there isnt as much ES in general 23:07:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> so... not much to do about that , boost cargoes which produce ES :) 23:08:07 <PublicServer> <V453000> metal/refineries :) 23:10:58 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 23:11:15 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 23:12:07 *** TNepr1 has quit IRC 23:18:19 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (general timeout) 23:18:19 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (connection lost) 23:18:34 <Dom_> !password 23:18:34 <PublicServer> Dom_: starry 23:18:44 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 23:21:29 <PublicServer> <Dom> V 23:21:37 <PublicServer> <Dom> Beer factory line missing 23:21:51 <PublicServer> <Dom> at the exit point sign !here 23:22:34 <PublicServer> <mfb> done 23:22:44 <PublicServer> <Dom> ok 23:23:55 <PublicServer> <mfb> better 23:24:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> before I managed to react :p thanks 23:25:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> do we have insufficient amount of supplies anywhere? 23:25:47 <PublicServer> <mfb> I don't see anything 23:25:49 <PublicServer> <V453000> looks like enough everywher to me 23:25:51 <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah 23:26:18 <PublicServer> <mfb> oh 23:26:24 <PublicServer> <mfb> ES @ refinery 23:28:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> not much :) 23:28:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> that is to be expected I think 23:28:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> farms have lower productions than oil wells in general 23:29:43 <PublicServer> <mfb> good night 23:29:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> gn 23:29:57 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> gn 23:30:04 <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (leaving) 23:30:07 *** mfb- has quit IRC 23:30:20 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has left the game (leaving) 23:30:24 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 23:30:24 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (general timeout) 23:30:24 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (connection lost) 23:30:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> k :D 23:30:50 <V453000> !auto 23:30:50 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode. 23:30:51 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 23:30:51 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 23:31:13 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 23:37:07 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 23:47:26 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:48:33 <Dom_> n8 23:48:41 <V453000> gn