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It's hypnotic 00:32:35 *** BenJTotterdell has quit IRC 00:45:00 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 00:51:58 *** [2]Mark has quit IRC 01:07:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ^Spike^ 01:07:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Sylf 01:07:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v KenjiE20 01:07:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Osai 01:22:32 *** Sturmi has quit IRC 01:45:07 *** [2]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 01:52:03 *** [1]Mark has quit IRC 01:53:12 *** Nickman87 has joined #openttdcoop 02:15:11 *** [2]Mark has quit IRC 02:40:26 <PublicServer> *** Dr-Dinosaur has left the game (leaving) 02:56:02 <PublicServer> *** Techinica has left the game (general timeout) 02:56:21 <PublicServer> *** Techinica has left the game (connection lost) 03:01:47 *** dr-dinosaur2 has quit IRC 03:01:47 *** dr-dinosaur has quit IRC 03:03:25 *** dr-dinosaur has joined #openttdcoop 04:45:43 *** dr-dinosaur has quit IRC 06:48:59 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 07:23:46 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 07:31:19 *** ba has joined #openttdcoop 07:36:50 <Okami_Xci> !password 07:36:50 <PublicServer> Okami_Xci: dunged 07:37:14 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 07:37:17 <PublicServer> *** Okami_Xci joined the game 07:43:38 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 07:44:32 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> tray gets my vote, Roundabouts ftw! 07:44:32 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> althou V's is awesome too... 07:45:19 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop 07:45:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 07:46:31 <PublicServer> *** Okami_Xci has left the game (leaving) 07:55:02 <tycoondemon> !password 07:55:02 <PublicServer> tycoondemon: dunged 07:55:17 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 07:55:20 <PublicServer> *** tycoondemon joined the game 07:58:36 <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> this plan had to be v's 08:00:54 <PublicServer> *** tycoondemon has left the game (leaving) 08:17:07 *** ba has quit IRC 08:36:48 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 08:54:36 *** dwarf has joined #openttdcoop 08:54:41 <dwarf> !password 08:54:42 <PublicServer> dwarf: dunged 08:54:52 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 08:54:55 <PublicServer> *** dwarf joined the game 08:57:42 <PublicServer> *** dwarf has left the game (leaving) 09:02:44 *** dwarf has quit IRC 09:08:41 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 09:08:53 <Dom_> !password 09:08:53 <PublicServer> Dom_: dunged 09:08:58 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:09:01 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 09:10:05 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 09:11:21 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 09:11:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 09:37:22 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop 09:38:18 *** Dom__ has joined #openttdcoop 09:44:16 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 09:44:38 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 09:44:38 *** Dom__ is now known as Dom_ 09:44:45 <Tray> !password 09:44:45 <PublicServer> Tray: dunged 09:45:05 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:45:08 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 09:47:00 *** andbo has joined #openttdcoop 09:58:48 *** andbo has quit IRC 10:13:36 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 10:22:29 *** Tray has quit IRC 10:22:29 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (connection lost) 10:34:33 *** cyph3r has joined #openttdcoop 10:58:56 *** cyph3r has quit IRC 11:09:44 <V453000> !password 11:09:44 <PublicServer> V453000: sorely 11:09:53 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:09:54 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 11:10:43 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 12:23:56 <Techinica> !password 12:23:56 <PublicServer> Techinica: sorely 12:24:05 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 12:24:07 <PublicServer> *** Techinica joined the game 12:35:39 <PublicServer> *** Techinica has joined spectators 12:49:41 *** Sturmi has joined #openttdcoop 13:02:35 <Sturmi> !playercount 13:02:35 <PublicServer> Sturmi: Number of players: 1 (1 spectators) 13:03:02 <Sturmi> !password 13:03:02 <PublicServer> Sturmi: candle 13:03:10 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:03:12 <PublicServer> *** Sturmi joined the game 13:17:41 *** pugi has quit IRC 13:53:52 *** burns has joined #openttdcoop 13:53:52 *** condac has quit IRC 14:09:48 *** andbo has joined #openttdcoop 14:10:27 *** Born_Acorn has quit IRC 14:10:31 *** Born_Acorn has joined #openttdcoop 14:20:09 *** andbo has quit IRC 14:37:18 *** Okami_Xci has quit IRC 14:53:50 *** Vinnie has joined #openttdcoop 14:53:54 <Vinnie> !password 14:53:54 <PublicServer> Vinnie: canvas 14:54:01 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:54:04 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie joined the game 14:55:27 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello 14:58:38 <V453000> lohe 14:59:04 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> tingvo is hard 15:00:19 <V453000> people dont understand my plan :D "im confused by this V" :d 15:00:38 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> your plan is actually the easiest one 15:00:53 <V453000> not really 15:00:59 <V453000> 50x50 rings are fucking small :) 15:01:09 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah and possible 8 hubs in it 15:01:23 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but we did those rings before on a bigger scale 15:01:57 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Then Maraxus his plan is basicly a boost but the network isnt made to support the single biggest drop 15:02:20 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Tray's plan is only one-way tracks 15:02:23 <V453000> well 5x5 on 4 times maller map is a lot more difference, specially if it is multipoint to multipoint 15:02:25 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so kinda easy 15:03:09 <V453000> Maraxus has a nice plan but ye a lot of traffic in the middle 15:03:40 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Dino has unbalnced plan. Food only possible on green spots of map aka North side is twice as green 15:04:06 <V453000> :d 15:04:32 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Maraxus his plan features a drop called everything else 15:04:50 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> if you good food and goods producing industries and water and diamond drops. 15:04:53 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> what is left? 15:05:21 <V453000> what I understood it was pickup on one side, drops on the other? 15:05:24 <V453000> !password 15:05:24 <PublicServer> V453000: exacts 15:05:41 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:05:41 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:05:43 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 15:05:56 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oh that makes sense 15:05:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> looks obvious to me 15:07:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> nah, rings ftw :) 15:07:22 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you need food for your plan 15:07:28 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :P 15:07:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> not really 15:08:56 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cargo style mail 15:09:00 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it is fun 15:10:58 <PublicServer> <V453000> myeah but people are afraid to experiment, and this plan would be nicer with some proper pax/mail trains anyway :P 15:11:16 <PublicServer> <V453000> I honestly hate that tray uses CL1.5 again 15:11:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> yet his plan worsk pretty much best 15:11:56 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but the middle ring is gonna have a split every 5 blocks 15:12:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> well ye 15:12:32 <PublicServer> <V453000> transfers are out of the question and dinosaurage is bad 15:12:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> looks like a clear result to me 15:13:24 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> think tay his engine is strong enough? 15:13:28 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Tray 15:13:43 <PublicServer> <V453000> idk, not supporting CL1.5 twice in a row 15:13:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> boring 15:13:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> but yes it is strong enough 15:14:21 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i agree with that, but im not voting for Maraxus either 15:14:36 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so either way, my vote will not help current voting board 15:15:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> Dom has a weird plan 15:15:13 <PublicServer> <V453000> the 2way main stations make me o_O 15:15:48 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oe side is used less 15:16:00 <PublicServer> <V453000> yes 15:16:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> id rather have a balanced network with 2 bottlenecks than a wtf weird network :) 15:18:00 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i think TL2 for boost can be counted as a 3rd bottleneck 15:19:25 <PublicServer> <V453000> small map :) also not exactly boost 15:19:56 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> lets say we serve each primary to goods and food and they produce about 1k 15:20:34 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 5 cargo types maybe 5 of each 15:20:48 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 25.000 production a month 15:21:03 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> about 400 trainloads 15:21:11 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> on the main station a month 15:21:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> im totally unsure wtf are you counting 15:21:56 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the amount of trains that enter middle drop 15:22:18 <PublicServer> <V453000> with 25000 production 15:22:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> with TL2 15:22:27 <PublicServer> <V453000> sounds massively wrong 15:22:33 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> well 5 cargo types 15:23:16 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> either way it takes about 7 days to unload and clear a track 15:23:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> doesnt matter you wont have 25k production in the center even if you combined goods+food 15:23:33 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you think thats to mutch? 15:24:02 <PublicServer> <V453000> massively, I mainly think that such calculaction is completely irrelevant 15:24:12 <PublicServer> <V453000> amount of lines represents all you need 15:24:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> not some production numbers converted to that 15:24:26 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i was goign for that 15:24:28 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :P 15:24:39 <PublicServer> <V453000> how can you go for that, starting at production ........... 15:24:54 <PublicServer> <V453000> the plan isnt saying "make 25k good /month" 15:25:01 <PublicServer> <V453000> goods 15:25:19 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i assume you will get that amount of traffic in the endgame 15:25:26 <PublicServer> <V453000> ?? 15:25:30 <PublicServer> <V453000> how do you assume that 15:25:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> you could also assume 100k 15:25:41 <PublicServer> <V453000> or a million, 15:25:55 <PublicServer> <V453000> I completely fail to see your logic 15:25:57 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no PZ13 made a limit 15:26:11 <PublicServer> <V453000> lol 15:26:19 <PublicServer> <V453000> says who 15:26:33 <PublicServer> <V453000> pzg13 can be beaten of course 15:27:20 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ofcourse it can be beaten 15:27:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> also if you noticed I wasnt talking about the exact number at all, any number of production is wrong because you start the assumption at the wrong end 15:28:08 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i started with 5 rubber 5 oil 5 fruit and 5 maize each producing 1k 15:28:18 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> and i think 5 lumber 15:28:32 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but it doesnt matter that mutch 15:29:03 <PublicServer> <V453000> just wtf 15:29:10 <PublicServer> <V453000> just wtf. 15:29:45 <PublicServer> <V453000> a simple assumption as LLLL_RRRR in the middle, how much do I need on the outside 15:29:48 <PublicServer> <V453000> is all that matters 15:30:06 <PublicServer> <V453000> some numbers ... are you really going to count that and then back into line counts? with unknown numbers? 15:30:36 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i like the hard way\ 15:31:04 <PublicServer> <V453000> because fuck sense :) 15:31:22 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> I really need a way to trigger my brain 15:31:28 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so i challange myself 15:32:22 <PublicServer> <V453000> I wont comment on that any further :) 15:33:08 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> and im an idiot 15:37:42 <PublicServer> <Techinica> hey V, with your plan would trains only go from one ring to one of their neighbouring rings? 15:37:49 <PublicServer> <Techinica> or would they go over the entire map? 15:40:19 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has joined spectators 15:40:19 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:40:23 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> bbl 15:40:57 <V453000> no everywhere of course 15:49:15 *** Jerik has joined #openttdcoop 15:57:33 <tycoondemon> do not vote for V's plan, because its the best plan... 16:00:29 <V453000> ? :D 16:00:31 *** dr-dinosaur has joined #openttdcoop 16:00:47 <dr-dinosaur> !PASSWORD 16:00:51 <dr-dinosaur> !password 16:00:51 <PublicServer> dr-dinosaur: bleeds 16:01:09 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:01:10 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:01:12 <PublicServer> *** Dr-Dinosaur joined the game 16:02:00 <PublicServer> *** Dr-Dinosaur has left the game (leaving) 16:02:00 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 16:05:24 <PublicServer> <V453000> lol nice 16:13:58 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 16:19:43 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 16:29:33 *** bassals has joined #openttdcoop 16:29:42 <bassals> hello 16:29:55 <bassals> how does the voting go? 16:54:02 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 16:58:41 *** Kalaidos has joined #openttdcoop 16:59:19 <Kalaidos> !password 16:59:19 <PublicServer> Kalaidos: satins 16:59:29 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:59:32 <PublicServer> *** Kalaidos joined the game 16:59:39 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> Hello 16:59:41 <PublicServer> *** Techinica has joined company #1 16:59:41 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:59:51 <PublicServer> <Techinica> Hey 16:59:57 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> Hi 17:00:08 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> hey 17:00:19 <bassals> hello 17:00:27 <bassals> how is te voting? 17:01:47 <PublicServer> <Techinica> 5/4/1 17:01:59 <PublicServer> <Techinica> Maraxus/Techinica/Tra 17:02:05 <PublicServer> <Techinica> /Tray* 17:02:27 <Techinica> 5/1/4 even 17:03:21 <PublicServer> <Techinica> basically looks like all the crazy plans were too crazy :) 17:04:10 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> some plans are jsut weird 17:05:10 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 17:09:31 <Techinica> 5/5 Maraxus/Tray now :) 17:10:04 <bassals> I wanted to vote for the circles... 17:10:06 <bassals> :-( 17:10:21 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> then do it 17:10:46 <bassals> I don't have openttd in here... 17:11:01 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> shall i place a vote for you? 17:11:03 <bassals> just in a few minutes... 17:11:03 <bassals> no 17:15:56 <bassals> well, perhaps not "a few" 17:20:51 <PublicServer> *** Sturmi has left the game (leaving) 17:23:35 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 17:28:15 <PublicServer> *** Kalaidos has left the game (leaving) 17:28:15 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 17:30:08 <PublicServer> *** Techinica has joined spectators 17:30:09 *** bassals has quit IRC 17:35:02 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> interesting 17:39:28 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 17:40:20 <V453000> !password 17:40:20 <PublicServer> V453000: louses 17:40:32 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 17:40:35 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 17:40:38 <PublicServer> <V453000> lol 17:40:40 <PublicServer> <V453000> ok 17:40:40 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 17:40:54 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 18:04:51 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 18:10:18 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has left the game (leaving) 18:10:59 *** Tray has joined #openttdcoop 18:13:59 <Tray> !password 18:13:59 <PublicServer> Tray: tabled 18:14:20 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 18:14:23 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 18:14:59 *** [FR]Syl59 has joined #openttdcoop 18:15:47 *** bassals has joined #openttdcoop 18:16:12 <Sturmi> !password 18:16:12 <PublicServer> Sturmi: tabled 18:16:24 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 18:16:24 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 18:16:27 <PublicServer> *** Sturmi joined the game 18:16:34 <PublicServer> <Tray> hi 18:16:37 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> plop 18:16:45 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> hey 18:17:14 <PublicServer> *** Bassals joined the game 18:17:20 <PublicServer> *** {[FR]Syl59} joined the game 18:17:21 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> hello 18:17:28 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> hai 18:17:30 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello 18:20:04 *** LoPo has joined #openttdcoop 18:20:05 *** Webster sets mode: +o LoPo 18:20:11 <LoPo> hellow 18:20:21 <PublicServer> *** {[FR]Syl59} has joined company #1 18:20:37 <LoPo> !password 18:20:37 <PublicServer> LoPo: arouse 18:20:55 *** orudge` has joined #openttdcoop 18:20:56 *** orudge` has quit IRC 18:21:03 <LoPo> !password 18:21:03 <PublicServer> LoPo: arouse 18:21:04 *** orudge has quit IRC 18:21:09 *** orudge has joined #openttdcoop 18:21:29 <PublicServer> *** LoPo joined the game 18:21:59 *** Vinnie has quit IRC 18:22:57 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> Tray leading for the first time :D 18:23:05 <PublicServer> <LoPo> :) 18:23:23 <PublicServer> <Tray> It's the first time in my whole cooping that my plan gets more than 1 vote (: 18:23:33 <PublicServer> <Tray> So I'm happy, wether we play it or not 18:23:34 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> gratz :D 18:23:39 <PublicServer> <LoPo> is srnw also allowed in your plan? 18:23:42 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> one question about your plan... 18:24:06 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> multiple drops on all the sidelines? 18:24:21 <PublicServer> <Tray> one for each sideline 18:24:31 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> You think the same thing as me LoPo :) 18:24:59 <PublicServer> <LoPo> btw tray 18:25:01 <PublicServer> <Tray> as for SRNW: I don't see it very fitting for small maps 18:25:16 <PublicServer> <LoPo> isnt it better to do one of the rings counter clock wise 18:25:54 <PublicServer> <Tray> I wanted to distribute the traffic to all parts of the network 18:26:18 <PublicServer> <LoPo> yes, but 18:26:36 <PublicServer> <LoPo> if trains have a fixed primary, then they are just longer on the ML 18:26:58 <PublicServer> <LoPo> which cases more unnessesary traffic imo 18:27:33 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> lopo, you will have that in both cases 18:27:51 <PublicServer> <LoPo> no 18:27:55 <PublicServer> <LoPo> look at !here 18:28:33 <PublicServer> <Tray> I know what you mean 18:28:47 <PublicServer> <LoPo> k 18:28:50 <PublicServer> <LoPo> just saying ;p 18:29:20 <PublicServer> <LoPo> dinner time for me 18:29:23 <PublicServer> <LoPo> afkish 18:29:53 <PublicServer> <Tray> well I agree with it 18:32:51 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> So, is MSRN autorised in your network plan tray ? 18:33:04 <Tray> if you see it fit 18:33:11 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> what is msrn? 18:33:34 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> SRNW with multiple drop station 18:33:44 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> (or pick up, depend how you build it) 18:33:45 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> ah ok 18:33:54 <PublicServer> <Bassals> why inventing a new name for that? 18:34:22 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> because confusing people with new abbreviation is fun :D 18:34:31 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Hehe not exactly 18:34:32 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 18:34:38 <Tray> cpwaif? 18:34:54 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Just beceuse to make a difference with SNRW (one drop) and MSRN (multiple) 18:35:25 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> beetween * 18:36:46 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> that means the goods trains will be srnw'ish... kinda like that plan 18:36:59 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Why not all the trains ? x) 18:37:36 <Tray> erm 18:38:01 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Would be a nice challenge :) 18:38:24 <Tray> I thought you're talking about a specific sideline, I actually don't see a good reason to put SRNW on secoandaries on this small map 18:38:54 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> right now i am thinkin about secondaries 18:39:14 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Mh ... 18:39:43 *** hbee_ is now known as hbee 18:40:24 <PublicServer> <Bassals> in Tray's plan, shouldn't both rondabouts rotate the same way? 18:40:36 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> he just changed that 18:40:56 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 18:41:02 <PublicServer> <Tray> I'm not very happy with it though, I will think about some more time 18:41:24 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> in my eyes it doesnt matter for network load 18:42:19 <[1]Mark> !password 18:42:19 <PublicServer> [1]Mark: jaunts 18:42:20 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 18:42:28 <PublicServer> <Mark> hai 18:42:28 <PublicServer> *** Mark joined the game 18:42:32 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> hey 18:42:38 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello 18:42:38 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> hi 18:43:01 <PublicServer> <Bassals> food/goods drop at diamonds? 18:43:19 <PublicServer> <Bassals> or no transporting food/goods? 18:43:21 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> on each SL 18:43:40 <PublicServer> <Bassals> ah yeah... 18:43:43 *** BenJTotterdell has joined #openttdcoop 18:43:50 <PublicServer> <Bassals> i should read before asking 18:44:17 <BenJTotterdell> !password 18:44:17 <PublicServer> BenJTotterdell: jaunts 18:44:20 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> huge drop in the m,iddle would be interesting too :D 18:44:24 <PublicServer> *** BenTotterdell joined the game 18:44:26 <PublicServer> <Bassals> not really 18:45:00 <PublicServer> *** BenTotterdell has left the game (leaving) 18:47:12 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> hmm, there is a downside of this design... 18:47:31 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> if both roudabouts rotate the same way we could get problems with inertia... 18:47:49 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> making the map rotate instead of the traffic :D 18:47:55 <BenJTotterdell> HAHA 18:51:37 <Kalaidos> !password 18:51:37 <PublicServer> Kalaidos: founts 18:51:49 <PublicServer> *** Kalaidos joined the game 18:54:41 <PublicServer> <Bassals> ah 18:54:51 <PublicServer> <Bassals> Syl59 != Sylf 18:55:01 <PublicServer> <LoPo> ;p 18:55:03 <PublicServer> *** LoPo has joined spectators 18:55:07 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Who comapre me to Sylf, again ? :) 18:55:13 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> compare * 18:55:36 <PublicServer> <Bassals> why such a weird nick? 18:55:50 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> to confuse you 18:55:54 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> [FR] = French 18:56:12 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Syl is the first lettres of my name 18:56:27 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> and 59 'cause I live in the north of France 18:56:34 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has changed his/her name to {[CAT]Bassals} 18:56:36 *** Vinnie_nl has joined #openttdcoop 18:56:38 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> wtf? 18:56:51 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> department number? 18:56:52 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> CAT = Caterpillar ? x) 18:56:58 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Exact Sturmi 18:57:12 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> France is divided into 22 regions and 95 departements 18:57:12 <PublicServer> <[CAT]Bassals> CAT=Catalonia 18:57:14 <PublicServer> <[CAT]Bassals> :-p 18:57:16 <PublicServer> <Sturmi> you frenchies are weird :D 18:57:32 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> And we are bad in english ! :D 18:57:48 <PublicServer> *** Sturmi has changed his/her name to {[SAX]sturmi} 18:57:52 <V453000> LoPo: just a note, 2 not gates are usually not needed for a station :P this does ze same http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:Psg121_MarkStation.png as http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:PSG239_doubleNot_SRNW_station.png all you need is one release at one time 18:58:00 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> SAX = Saxophon ? xD 18:58:06 <PublicServer> <[SAX]sturmi> Saxonia 18:58:17 <PublicServer> <[SAX]sturmi> A State in Germany 18:58:27 <PublicServer> <[CAT]Bassals> saxony-anhalt? 18:58:34 <PublicServer> <[SAX]sturmi> nope, thats another one 18:58:57 <PublicServer> <[SAX]sturmi> saxony without anything 18:58:59 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Saxen ? 18:59:00 <bassals> Lower Saxony? 18:59:09 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> Sachsen * 18:59:09 *** andrew2 has joined #openttdcoop 18:59:12 <PublicServer> <[SAX]sturmi> yep 18:59:26 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> I know the name in german but not in english xD 18:59:54 <andrew2> hihi 19:02:20 <PublicServer> <[FR]Syl59> I go, cya all :) 19:02:22 <PublicServer> *** [FR]Syl59 has left the game (leaving) 19:02:27 *** [FR]Syl59 has quit IRC 19:02:54 <Vinnie_nl> !password 19:02:54 <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: founts 19:03:10 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie joined the game 19:03:15 <bassals> no, no 19:03:29 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> wow 19:03:30 <bassals> Vinnie_nl is bad, it needs to be [NL]Vinnie 19:03:33 <andrew2> okay, so i found my way here, how do i join the game ? I downloaded R24673 version, fired up multiplayer, 19:03:45 <andrew2> but the only server listed says version mismatch. 19:03:46 <Sturmi> @quickstart 19:03:51 <Sylf> !ip 19:03:52 <PublicServer> Sylf: ps.openttdcoop.org 19:03:53 <andrew2> thank you 19:04:08 <bassals> andrew2: you probably need the newgrf pack 19:04:09 <Webster> Read the Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart (again, try !grf) 19:04:14 <Vinnie_nl> Should be flying dutchman 19:04:26 <Sturmi> you are flyin? 19:04:30 <andrew2> okay. i read them now :D 19:04:30 <Sylf> but really, @@quickstart is the way to go 19:04:31 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 19:04:47 <Vinnie_nl> Maybe i am high does that count as flying? 19:04:59 <Sturmi> :D 19:05:04 <Sylf> slow webster is slow... 19:05:20 <Sturmi> as long as you dont fuck up the landing :p 19:05:22 <bassals> ¬¬' 19:05:50 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has joined company #1 19:06:10 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Voting madness 19:06:32 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has joined spectators 19:06:32 <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (general timeout) 19:06:32 <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (connection lost) 19:06:41 <Sturmi> hope the map is big enough for all the signs 19:07:18 <Vinnie_nl> i can shorten my name to idiot, it saves one character 19:07:38 <andrew2> !password 19:07:38 <PublicServer> andrew2: blazes 19:07:45 <bassals> but it would not be fair... 19:07:54 <PublicServer> *** andre joined the game 19:07:58 *** [2]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 19:08:21 <PublicServer> <[SAX]sturmi> welcome andre 19:08:27 <PublicServer> <andre> helo 19:08:35 <PublicServer> *** {[SAX]sturmi} has changed his/her name to sturmi 19:08:52 <PublicServer> *** {[CAT]Bassals} has changed his/her name to Bassals 19:10:14 <Sylf> how goes the voting so far? 19:10:30 <Techinica> 7-5 to Tray 19:10:42 <PublicServer> *** andre has joined company #1 19:10:45 <Techinica> few other votes around 19:10:58 <Techinica> it's between Tray and Maraxus at the moment it seems 19:12:51 <Sylf> so, we have around 15 votes total so far? 19:13:06 <PublicServer> <Bassals> 16 19:13:06 <Sylf> we should move on to building 19:13:35 <andrew2> is it a problem if i just.. you know, watch the thing only ? 19:13:38 <Sylf> any objections? 19:13:47 *** [1]Mark has quit IRC 19:13:57 <Sturmi> no to both 19:14:18 <Sylf> yes, the biggest problem-- it's not easy to keep your hands off ;) 19:15:05 <andrew2> i pretty mutch crash'n trash in everygame some probably just needs to watch for now. 19:15:32 <bassals> just do what you feel 19:15:49 <andrew2> i feal i need to learn. :) 19:16:00 <bassals> but don't be afraid to contribute, we can help you 19:16:08 <Sturmi> you learn most if you try to build 19:16:40 <Sylf> let's get started with building then. winner is Tray's CL 1.5 plan? 19:17:06 <PublicServer> *** Techinica has joined company #1 19:17:09 <andrew2> if i win the lottery next week, i will sortha "licence" ottd. And make a real life set for real life hobby train builders based on how it works in ottd. that would be cool. 19:17:33 <bassals> well suddenly i have a plan for tonight so I'm leaving in about 40 min 19:18:17 <Sylf> You just missed the american lottery... US$.5 billion 19:18:32 <andrew2> thats too mutch. i do not want that. 19:18:44 <bassals> I do want that... 19:19:01 <bassals> I guess is short billion, isn't it? 19:19:13 <Techinica> re. tray's plan... how many lines are we going to build at first? 19:19:28 <Sturmi> I suggest starting with 2 19:19:38 <Techinica> RR on the outside, LL in the middle? 19:19:40 <Sylf> LL_RR is default 19:19:58 <PublicServer> <Bassals> the rotation is the same Techinica 19:20:00 <Sylf> @stage Building 19:20:00 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG249 (r24673) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/IRC_Commands | Participate on wiki upgrades! http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/11/28/wiki-upgrades-and-list-of-things-to-be-done/" 19:20:00 <PublicServer> <sturmi> both rings go the same direction 19:20:07 <Techinica> or RR in the middle... wasn't he saying something earlier about them going in opposing directions? 19:20:28 <Techinica> *shrugs* plan has them both the same way 19:20:32 <PublicServer> <sturmi> he reverted that 19:20:35 <Techinica> okay 19:20:51 <PublicServer> <sturmi> so is this LL or RR? 19:21:18 <PublicServer> <sturmi> i am always confused about those two :D 19:21:33 <Sylf> pick one, and add that to the plan using signals 19:21:49 *** BenJTotterdell has quit IRC 19:24:06 <andrew2> like.. outer ring goes left, and inner lane goes right ? 19:24:25 <Sturmi> both rings go left 19:24:27 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 19:24:49 <andrew2> ah> 19:25:25 <PublicServer> <sturmi> sidelines go in>out, Main statios Outer>inner 19:26:00 <PublicServer> <Bassals> what happened to Techinica's plan? 19:26:15 <PublicServer> <sturmi> its decaying 19:26:37 <PublicServer> <Bassals> that's not very nice.. 19:26:44 <PublicServer> <Bassals> but i guess the map is small 19:28:07 <Techinica> I deleted it :) 19:28:22 <andrew2> i wish.. if programmable signals where not just a fantasy, but allready in the nightly.. 19:29:34 <PublicServer> <sturmi> i dont care about programmable signals... restrictive signals would be nice 19:30:11 <andrew2> gotta google on that ->i'm not english, i do not get what is restrictive singals <- 19:30:26 <PublicServer> <sturmi> neither am I :D 19:30:52 <bassals> andrew does sound english 19:31:55 <PublicServer> <sturmi> they are sort of programmable too but work with the properties of the train 19:32:25 <PublicServer> <sturmi> for example when you split a line into two, you can say slow trains right, fast left 19:32:43 <PublicServer> <Tray> back again 19:33:03 <PublicServer> <Tray> rings in the same direction (whatever RR means) 19:33:11 <PublicServer> <Bassals> your plan has won 19:33:13 <PublicServer> <sturmi> quite handy for big mixed networks with pax and cargo on the same lines 19:33:24 <andrew2> i see now. 19:33:45 <PublicServer> <sturmi> but that patch died years ago 19:34:03 <PublicServer> <Bassals> who is doing the marking? 19:34:22 <andrew2> not me for sure. 19:34:46 <PublicServer> <sturmi> inner ring that small :o 19:35:10 <PublicServer> <Bassals> dinosaur plan is in the way 19:35:13 <PublicServer> <Bassals> :-S 19:36:07 <PublicServer> <sturmi> i guess its minimum TF as usual? 19:36:21 <PublicServer> <Tray> terrain should be pretty easy 19:37:47 <PublicServer> <Tray> like so I guess 19:39:19 <PublicServer> <Bassals> will we have consistent numbering for BBHs this time? 19:39:30 <PublicServer> <Bassals> or animals names again? 19:39:40 <PublicServer> <Tray> well 19:40:14 <PublicServer> <Tray> maybe call them merge/split related to the station 19:40:24 <PublicServer> <Tray> as they're not really hubs 19:42:25 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop 19:45:23 *** andbo has joined #openttdcoop 19:46:03 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> btw does anyone know how to kill half the sound, the monkey and elephants are annoying 19:46:42 <PublicServer> <Tray> the third symbol from the right offers music/sounds 19:47:20 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes but it also kills the sound trains make 19:47:42 <PublicServer> <sturmi> they are annoying too :p 19:47:49 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> kick him 19:47:51 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has joined company #1 19:49:49 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i should play requim for a dream while playing this game 19:49:55 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the soundtrack 19:52:22 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> now that there are actually tracks, the map seems even smaller : x 19:53:16 <PublicServer> <Bassals> prinnington is not suitable 19:53:26 <PublicServer> <Bassals> because it's on the grass 19:54:00 <PublicServer> <Bassals> or is it possible to finance a water tower anyways? 19:54:12 <PublicServer> <Tray> seems not 19:54:30 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Lanfield 50 vlocks away 19:54:40 <PublicServer> <Tray> that's enough 19:55:10 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> mainline done in 20 min? 19:55:12 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hey we can fund a new town too 19:58:55 <PublicServer> <Bassals> i have got to go 19:58:58 <PublicServer> <Bassals> goodbye 19:59:01 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> bye 19:59:04 <PublicServer> <sturmi> bb 19:59:18 <PublicServer> *** Bassals has left the game (leaving) 19:59:19 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 19:59:27 <andrew2> waaadafak, you peeps are fast as hell, i just took my gf to work. 19:59:29 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cu 19:59:31 <andrew2> like 15 minutes. 20:00:42 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 20:00:46 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> lies anyway the secondary pickup could become a pain 20:01:01 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you are a pain 20:01:25 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> thats like saying water is blue 20:01:39 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> or the sky is purple 20:01:45 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no that isnt true 20:01:55 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> are you sure? 20:02:09 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> are you? 20:02:19 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> erm not 20:02:45 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but it could be 20:02:55 <andrew2> hmm, i read that sharp turn following eatch other are not realy on the guest list. how come then that both loops got some of it ? 20:03:14 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> atleast 3 tiles apart 20:03:17 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so its good 20:03:45 <PublicServer> <Tray> Trains will be really slow this results in a very low minimum curve length 20:03:45 *** hbee has quit IRC 20:03:49 *** bassals has quit IRC 20:03:51 <Dom_> !password 20:03:51 <PublicServer> <Tray> checkout the CL sign at the plan 20:03:51 <PublicServer> Dom_: piking 20:04:02 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 20:04:05 *** hbee has joined #openttdcoop 20:04:06 <PublicServer> <Dom> hello 20:04:08 <PublicServer> <Tray> trains will be able to take that curve at full speed (110) 20:04:18 <PublicServer> <Tray> hi dom 20:04:18 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Hey 20:04:19 <andrew2> hmm. 20:04:53 <andrew2> i made a sign. andrew2 --> is this okay too ? 20:05:20 <PublicServer> <Tray> please prefix it with an ! 20:05:22 <andrew2> sry for being picky, just have an apetite to know some stuff. 20:05:36 <PublicServer> <Tray> but yes it is 20:06:02 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i build that :D 20:06:04 <PublicServer> <Dom> factorys with pick? 20:06:10 <PublicServer> <Tray> you could use the ingame chat by the way, it's mirrored into IRC 20:06:12 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so proud of my 20 tiles of mainline 20:06:30 <PublicServer> <Dom> are we doing goods? 20:07:00 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> plan says yes 20:07:02 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 20:07:11 <Dom_> ok :) i'll be back later 20:07:14 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 20:08:38 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> b-b-b-b-b-bbbbb-bonfire 20:10:28 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the bitchtows 20:10:31 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> towns 20:10:48 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop 20:12:09 <Maraxus> !password 20:12:09 <PublicServer> Maraxus: piking 20:12:10 *** sla_ro|vista has joined #openttdcoop 20:12:24 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus joined the game 20:12:27 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi 20:12:30 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> Hi 20:12:32 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi 20:12:35 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello 20:15:46 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:16:49 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hhhm my station might be a bit big 20:17:12 <PublicServer> <sturmi> FFP? 20:17:22 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yes 20:17:44 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> so...which trains actually receive priority? The ones in the center ring or the ones joining? 20:18:00 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> \ 20:18:02 <PublicServer> <sturmi> the ones who have no choice 20:18:20 <PublicServer> <sturmi> in your case from ring 20:18:20 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> assuming its roundabout and to prevent a deadlock, the ones inside the loop 20:18:29 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> ok, thanks 20:18:45 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:20:39 <PublicServer> <sturmi> you can prio the bridges too 20:21:38 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> been a while since I played Ottd, so I'm kinda figuring it all out again, but yeah 20:21:47 <PublicServer> <sturmi> want a hint? 20:22:09 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> I'll take the wiki for the first hint I guess : D 20:23:21 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> I see, thanks 20:24:07 <PublicServer> <Tray> oh sorry kalaidos 20:24:08 <andrew2> how will.. trains get back to outer loop from inner loop ? i might be missing something but it seems all connection between them points to inward from outward. 20:24:10 <andrew2> or what. 20:24:18 <PublicServer> <Tray> I don't wanted to interrupt your signalling 20:24:24 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> nah, it's fine 20:24:26 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> go ahead 20:24:37 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> andre: Sidelines 20:24:44 <PublicServer> <Tray> andrew: via the sidelines through the primarystations 20:24:47 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> I didn't even place a signal yet anyway 20:24:57 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> so you probably interrupted someone else : D 20:25:07 <PublicServer> <sturmi> so it was tray and me :D 20:25:09 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> woo it fitted 20:25:19 <PublicServer> <sturmi> nice 20:25:51 <Vinnie_nl> !password 20:25:51 <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: legged 20:29:25 <PublicServer> <sturmi> oh didnt see its CL1 20:29:59 <PublicServer> <Tray> sturmi the signalling at you split is wrong 20:30:09 <PublicServer> <sturmi> where? 20:30:19 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> outer 2 20:30:35 <PublicServer> <sturmi> why 20:31:05 <PublicServer> <Tray> trains will be splitted be orders not by signalling at that point 20:31:12 <PublicServer> <sturmi> oh, ture 20:31:14 <PublicServer> <Tray> so you don't need presignals 20:31:16 <PublicServer> <sturmi> true 20:33:34 <PublicServer> <sturmi> can we reroute food drop to my desk? 20:35:36 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> who started factory? 20:35:42 *** Kalaidos has quit IRC 20:35:48 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you? 20:36:02 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> kinda retarded to ask if i was so myself 20:36:17 *** andrew2 has quit IRC 20:36:17 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> we don't know how short your memory is 20:36:48 *** hbee has quit IRC 20:36:59 *** hbee has joined #openttdcoop 20:37:16 *** [2]Mark has quit IRC 20:37:27 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Tray: don't connet the SLHs 20:37:45 <PublicServer> <Tray> good point 20:37:56 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> otherwise is it a route for the ML 20:37:57 *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 20:38:02 *** ODM has quit IRC 20:39:04 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 20:39:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 20:39:10 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 20:40:11 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now there also connected btw 20:40:33 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but because its a one way network CB his previous statement is not true 20:40:51 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> trains need to do two loops if they take another sideline 20:41:49 <PublicServer> <Tray> can't build and think at the same time. ): 20:43:00 *** andrew2 has joined #openttdcoop 20:43:17 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has joined spectators 20:43:19 <andrew2> you people are swif builders. 20:43:24 <andrew2> swift. 20:47:09 *** dr-dinosaur has quit IRC 20:47:18 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hmm wait they might take a shortcut if the drop is 3/4th on the way 20:47:25 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 20:47:45 *** dr-dinosaur has joined #openttdcoop 20:48:40 <PublicServer> <Tray> We'll see 20:48:46 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has joined spectators 20:48:55 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> simple reversers :D 20:54:26 *** Vinnie_nl has quit IRC 21:00:02 *** Vinnie_nl has joined #openttdcoop 21:03:30 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 21:03:59 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop 21:04:21 <PublicServer> <sturmi> oh factory is completely removed :D 21:04:27 <PublicServer> <Techinica> yeah :) 21:04:29 <PublicServer> <Techinica> having second thoughs 21:04:31 <PublicServer> <Techinica> thoughts* 21:05:01 <PublicServer> <Techinica> I'll fix the trains 21:05:11 <PublicServer> <sturmi> ok then i can stop giving my trains orders :D 21:06:22 <PublicServer> <Tray> I think there should be two sidelines at each corner 21:13:46 <V453000> !password 21:13:46 <PublicServer> V453000: numbed 21:13:58 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 21:14:08 <PublicServer> <V453000> elo 21:14:11 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> Hi 21:14:21 <andrew2> hello 21:14:44 <PublicServer> <sturmi> hi 21:17:12 <andrew2> are trains allowed to go with full speed? 21:17:17 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 21:17:33 <PublicServer> <sturmi> no 21:17:49 <andrew2> then train 22 is set up wrong. it goes with 120 km/hr 21:18:15 <PublicServer> <sturmi> oh thx 21:18:21 <PublicServer> <Tray> thank you very much 21:18:23 <PublicServer> <sturmi> i forgot to set it 21:18:49 *** andbo has quit IRC 21:18:49 <andrew2> well, at least i do something usefull. othe than staring at the things. 21:18:57 <PublicServer> <sturmi> (: 21:20:55 <PublicServer> <Maraxus> gn 21:21:01 <andrew2> ? 21:21:08 <PublicServer> <sturmi> gn 21:21:10 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> gn 21:21:14 <andrew2> ah, good night. 21:21:16 <PublicServer> *** Maraxus has left the game (leaving) 21:21:19 <andrew2> i was thinking good news. 21:21:26 <PublicServer> <sturmi> hehe 21:21:39 <andrew2> like.. farming simulator 2013 is out. 21:21:40 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 21:22:14 <PublicServer> <sturmi> boring :D 21:22:41 <andrew2> I'm a lumberjack. i love tractors. 21:22:57 <PublicServer> <sturmi> I am an engineer, i love big engines too 21:23:07 *** Okami_Xci has joined #openttdcoop 21:23:13 <PublicServer> <sturmi> but in Farming sim i usually fall asleep 21:24:09 <andrew2> i got an intresting russian engine in one of my tractors. it was made in 2002. 3 cylinder, 3 valve / cylinder, turbo charged, 3 liter disp., and air cooled. 21:24:19 <andrew2> unusual to see 3 valves / cyl. 21:24:31 <PublicServer> <sturmi> not really 21:24:41 <andrew2> most tractor engines i seen only have 2. 21:25:19 <PublicServer> <sturmi> Mercedes benz biult 3valve engines for a long time 21:25:40 <andrew2> i dun get why 3 valves are good for an engine revving to no more than 1800. 21:26:29 <PublicServer> <sturmi> you can optimize the airflow with different timing for each valve 21:26:47 <PublicServer> <sturmi> can have nice benefits in diesel engines 21:27:20 <andrew2> sure, the bugger is 95 hp. not bad :) idles at 400 rpm. 21:27:43 <PublicServer> <sturmi> really not bad for a 3litre 21:27:57 <andrew2> its turbo charged. 21:28:03 <PublicServer> <sturmi> oh ok 21:28:06 <andrew2> and sounds awefull. 21:28:44 <PublicServer> <sturmi> our trusty old belarus sonds awful too :D 21:29:28 *** Okami_Xci has quit IRC 21:29:28 <andrew2> i ahve a belarus too. it is awefull as it is. bad gear ratios, bad weigth distribution, and an engine that should have decyd like a decade ago. 21:29:40 <andrew2> iefficient and useless if you ask me. 21:30:16 <PublicServer> <sturmi> and needs lot of maintenance 21:30:29 *** Okami_Xci has joined #openttdcoop 21:31:35 <andrew2> i broke it in half several times. i prefer VTZ now. looks more fragile, but.. itain't. can't kill the darn thing. neato feature is the steup down gearing after the differentails. rock solid. 21:32:49 <andrew2> i seems to get the point of the Drahill diamond Mine station now. 21:32:55 <PublicServer> <sturmi> akf, need some fud 21:33:01 <PublicServer> <sturmi> *afk 21:33:11 <andrew2> trains can wait in the depot till the station is free. 21:33:22 <PublicServer> <sturmi> yep 21:33:56 <PublicServer> <sturmi> they can only exit the depot when station AND entry line is free 21:34:25 <andrew2> i try to build a space saving variant in a nother game now. 21:34:41 <andrew2> actualy i don't like playing ottd, but like to thinker with "stuf". 21:34:49 <PublicServer> <sturmi> hehe 21:35:03 <PublicServer> <sturmi> so now i am really afk... before i starve 21:35:09 <PublicServer> *** sturmi has joined spectators 21:35:24 <andrew2> good apetite. 21:45:20 *** Kalaidos has joined #openttdcoop 21:51:03 <PublicServer> *** sturmi has joined company #1 21:52:45 <PublicServer> <sturmi> factory done? 21:53:11 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 21:53:11 <PublicServer> <Techinica> not quite, but enough to start throwing trains at it 21:53:20 <andrew2> i dun get it. at the diamond mine, no presignals are used. how come trains take the empty platform OR the overflow ? 21:53:48 <PublicServer> <sturmi> double signal 21:54:12 <PublicServer> <sturmi> with our settings this counts as end of the line 21:54:27 <PublicServer> <sturmi> a train will do anything before stopping there 21:55:07 <andrew2> i see. you have different penality setting then ? 21:55:50 <PublicServer> <sturmi> dont know the exact penalty settings of the server 21:56:08 <PublicServer> <sturmi> but we aleays have 2way_eol set to 1 22:00:15 <Sylf> coop abuses 2way_eol 22:00:26 <PublicServer> <sturmi> :) 22:00:53 <PublicServer> <sturmi> same with presignals 22:01:53 <Techinica> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Penalties 22:01:54 <PublicServer> <sturmi> epic 22:02:06 <PublicServer> <sturmi> oilwells being built at oil drop 22:07:01 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 22:09:01 <Dom_> !password 22:09:01 <PublicServer> Dom_: chunky 22:09:20 <PublicServer> *** Dom joined the game 22:09:21 <andrew2> has to be something, as i can't replicate this behaviour. 22:09:23 <PublicServer> <Dom> hello 22:10:44 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:10:50 <Sturmi> hey 22:12:04 <andrew2> do i assume correctly that on the public server waypoints are not realy preferd ? 22:12:16 <PublicServer> <sturmi> depends on the game 22:12:29 <andrew2> for example, this particular game ? 22:13:10 <PublicServer> <sturmi> as long as we dont really need them, we wont use waypoints 22:13:22 <Sylf> you cant replicate twoway signal behavior? 22:13:36 <andrew2> correct. 22:13:45 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has left the game (leaving) 22:13:56 <PublicServer> <sturmi> did you set twoway_eol to on? 22:14:17 <andrew2> i edited the cfg file, and restarted the game. no luck afterwards. 22:14:24 <Sylf> open the console with tilde key 22:14:29 <Sylf> and type 22:15:10 <Sylf> set yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol=1 22:15:10 <Sturmi> set yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol = true 22:15:22 <Vinnie_nl> no = sign 22:15:44 <PublicServer> <sturmi> yea its console *facepalms* 22:16:50 <PublicServer> *** sturmi has joined spectators 22:16:55 <andrew2> okay, a moment. 22:18:27 *** [2]Mark has joined #openttdcoop 22:21:33 <andrew2> intresting, did not do the trick. oh well. 22:21:44 <andrew2> i do not realy need this feature. 22:21:46 <andrew2> :D 22:22:14 <andrew2> afterall, if all you got is a hammer, you just have t narrow things down till every problem looks like a nail. 22:24:01 *** [1]Mark has quit IRC 22:28:41 <PublicServer> *** Kalaidos has left the game (leaving) 22:28:49 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (leaving) 22:29:03 *** Kalaidos has quit IRC 22:33:02 *** mfb- has joined #openttdcoop 22:33:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mfb- 22:37:42 *** bassals has joined #openttdcoop 22:38:31 <PublicServer> *** Dom has left the game (leaving) 22:38:39 <PublicServer> *** Bassals joined the game 22:38:51 <dr-dinosaur> !password 22:38:52 <PublicServer> dr-dinosaur: dirges 22:39:23 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> o/ 22:39:24 <PublicServer> *** Okami_Xci joined the game 22:39:26 <dr-dinosaur> wow :p 22:39:31 <dr-dinosaur> Useful password LD 22:40:04 <dr-dinosaur> it's down right? 22:40:05 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> jeez... so far already =/ and i just casted my vote this morning. 22:40:40 *** Tray has quit IRC 22:40:45 <Sturmi> building took us about an hour :D 22:41:08 *** Vinnie_nl has quit IRC 22:41:14 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> running feeders or.... 22:41:28 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> tie everything to the main nw? 22:42:06 <PublicServer> <sturmi> tray said nothing about feeders in his plan so i guess, no feeders 22:42:18 <Sylf> stay away from feeders with such short trains 22:42:40 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> ok, so just basically pick up wherever, and dump it on the main nw. 22:42:45 <Sylf> yiu CAN use feeders, but it's just not good idea 22:45:43 <dr-dinosaur> !playersonline 22:51:55 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 22:58:13 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop 23:01:54 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 23:05:05 *** sla_ro|vista has quit IRC 23:08:15 <andrew2> You must know some magic. Netbridge Rubber plantation. 23:08:21 <andrew2> the overflow does not work. 23:08:33 <PublicServer> <Bassals> yes 23:08:40 <PublicServer> <Bassals> and the industry has despawned 23:08:42 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> the plantation isnt even there anymore 23:08:48 <PublicServer> <sturmi> pff i am stupid 23:09:02 <PublicServer> *** sturmi has joined company #1 23:09:13 <andrew2> i do not see why does the overflow not work. 23:09:46 <PublicServer> <sturmi> now it does, i plced a wrong signal 23:10:22 <PublicServer> <sturmi> cant found a plantation :( 23:10:31 <andrew2> :( sad.. 23:10:55 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 23:10:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 23:11:02 <PublicServer> <Bassals> hello 23:12:32 <mfb-> where do you need a plantation? 23:12:52 <PublicServer> <Bassals> now it's already destroyed i think 23:12:55 <PublicServer> <sturmi> nvm, i nuked the station 23:13:01 <PublicServer> <mfb> ok 23:13:20 <PublicServer> <mfb> refinery needs a refinery? 23:13:35 <PublicServer> <sturmi> refinery haz oil :D 23:13:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> :p 23:13:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> was thinking about connecting this to a SL 23:14:06 <PublicServer> <mfb> for the most stupid detour :D 23:14:12 <PublicServer> <mfb> but then I noticed the missing ref 23:14:34 <PublicServer> <mfb> there we go 23:15:05 <PublicServer> <sturmi> its the most stupid place to spawn a oilwell 23:15:19 <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm 23:15:27 <PublicServer> <mfb> that "inner SLH" is strange? 23:15:41 <PublicServer> <sturmi> inner2? 23:15:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> baninghead forest 23:17:05 <PublicServer> <mfb> signal gaps everywhere :( 23:17:07 <PublicServer> <sturmi> someone didnt read the plan :D 23:17:53 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> hrm? 23:18:07 <PublicServer> <sturmi> sidelines go from inner ring to outer ring 23:18:23 <PublicServer> <sturmi> yours is from inside to inside 23:18:48 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> true... still looking at where to efficiently connect to outer 23:18:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> near refinery? 23:19:00 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> but didnt want the industry to despawn 23:19:02 <PublicServer> <mfb> or even near SLH03 in 23:19:16 <PublicServer> <sturmi> turn it all around 23:19:26 <PublicServer> <sturmi> split at the current merge 23:19:44 <PublicServer> <sturmi> and go via mfb's oil wells 23:20:02 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> wait... empty trains are on inner no? 23:20:05 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> and full on outer? 23:20:07 <PublicServer> <mfb> right 23:20:09 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> or the other way round 23:20:15 <PublicServer> <Bassals> primary trains 23:20:25 <PublicServer> <mfb> empty primary trains, indeed 23:20:39 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> then my exit connection should be on slh-3 23:20:40 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> no? 23:20:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> that would be possible 23:20:53 <PublicServer> <sturmi> could be 23:21:01 <PublicServer> <mfb> like a longer SLH 23:21:11 <PublicServer> <sturmi> but as i said, you can just keep your rails as they are 23:21:17 <PublicServer> <sturmi> just swap directions 23:21:47 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> ah yea 23:21:53 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> lucky me :p 23:21:55 <PublicServer> <Bassals> mmm 23:22:07 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> would still be inner on inner tho 23:22:14 <PublicServer> <Bassals> is the factory still being built? 23:22:16 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> so ill just connect it to slh03 23:22:23 <PublicServer> <mfb> connect it to one of the other SLs 23:22:33 <PublicServer> <mfb> which factory? 23:22:39 <PublicServer> <Bassals> FACTorY 23:22:47 <PublicServer> <mfb> that is there 23:22:49 <PublicServer> <sturmi> we only have one :D 23:22:55 <PublicServer> <Bassals> everything is wrong 23:23:05 <PublicServer> <mfb> its overflow is broken 23:23:11 <PublicServer> <mfb> signals are weird 23:23:18 <PublicServer> <Bassals> the entrances to plattforms are broken! 23:23:20 <PublicServer> <mfb> well that is an easy fix 23:23:40 <PublicServer> <Bassals> last one is not long enough 23:23:54 <PublicServer> <mfb> fixed 23:24:29 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> tom tomtom, there my fault has been fixed, full trains go via outer 23:24:35 <PublicServer> <sturmi> ah new rubber for my SL 23:24:40 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 23:32:55 <PublicServer> <mfb> how do drahill water supply trains reach the outer ML? 23:33:01 <PublicServer> <mfb> or: how are they supposed to do that? 23:33:09 <PublicServer> <mfb> via goods drop? :D 23:33:33 <PublicServer> <sturmi> i nuked a little too much :D 23:33:33 <PublicServer> <mfb> ok 23:33:59 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> but thats the best fun of it all, make things go boom 23:35:03 <PublicServer> <Bassals> every time a SL is built i guess we need to change orders of secondary trains 23:35:06 <PublicServer> <Bassals> is it? 23:35:20 <PublicServer> <mfb> as soon as that has a working drop 23:35:38 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> i keep forgetting whats primary and secondary,... lol 23:36:28 <andrew2> i think i made a station that can use depot overflow hidden from pathfinder and release trains properly. 23:36:37 <andrew2> i might even build it. 23:37:39 <mfb-> andrew2: and what is new? 23:37:41 <PublicServer> <Bassals> SLH01 goods drop? 23:37:51 <PublicServer> <Bassals> is sardworth? 23:37:59 <andrew2> does not requires firstred eol abuse. 23:38:03 *** Kalaidos has joined #openttdcoop 23:38:12 <Kalaidos> !password 23:38:12 <PublicServer> Kalaidos: fluked 23:38:19 <andrew2> pretty useless here. 23:38:19 <PublicServer> <mfb> we don't consider it as abuse 23:38:20 <PublicServer> *** Kalaidos joined the game 23:38:27 <PublicServer> <mfb> but how would you do it? 23:38:40 <andrew2> with 2 dummy waypoints. 23:38:59 <PublicServer> <mfb> feel free to build it somewhere 23:39:12 <andrew2> mm okay, i try to look for something. 23:41:19 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> lol, best of it all is that the trains make a loss and not profit 23:41:49 <PublicServer> <mfb> :D 23:42:25 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> think ilt change when industry produces that much that a train just roro's.... unlike now.. waiting for goods 23:42:40 <PublicServer> <mfb> trains are slow 23:42:58 <PublicServer> <mfb> and we need more secondary trains 23:43:08 <PublicServer> <mfb> unlike factory with... 1 :D 23:43:50 <PublicServer> <Bassals> i had just created that train... 23:44:09 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> one of "my" water stations can have trains that make profit, if they dont have to wait too long... then again, that station servers 2 water industry 23:45:16 <PublicServer> <sturmi> omg i am stupid 23:45:22 <PublicServer> <Bassals> we don't have hq... does it accept passengers or goods? 23:45:32 <PublicServer> <sturmi> tropical farms dont make cows 23:45:35 <PublicServer> <mfb> passengers 23:45:37 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> ./confirmed 23:45:43 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> they make camels! 23:45:51 <PublicServer> <Okami_Xci> o no wait, lol 23:45:57 <PublicServer> <mfb> +mail but that does not help 23:49:09 <andrew2> man, i have enough problems with local authority in rl, and guess what happens ? 23:49:20 <PublicServer> <mfb> :D 23:49:21 <andrew2> right :D could not build station atm. 23:49:22 <PublicServer> <Kalaidos> : D 23:49:33 <andrew2> bloody treehuggers. 23:49:35 <PublicServer> <mfb> trees 23:50:53 <PublicServer> <Bassals> mfb: why that PBS? 23:50:55 <PublicServer> <Bassals> :-D 23:51:05 <PublicServer> <mfb> which one? 23:51:15 <PublicServer> <mfb> water? 23:51:17 <PublicServer> <Bassals> yes 23:51:23 <PublicServer> <mfb> too lazy to add tiles behind the station 23:51:43 <PublicServer> <mfb> you know that SL 01 goods drop could break, for example? 23:52:21 <PublicServer> <sturmi> whats the use of these rails? 23:52:35 <PublicServer> <mfb> avoid that lost trains try to go to that platform 23:52:37 <PublicServer> <mfb> even if it is full 23:52:41 <PublicServer> <mfb> => block 23:53:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> that works, too 23:55:49 <PublicServer> <Techinica> you going to replace the fail station Sturmi? 23:55:59 <PublicServer> <mfb> ok that overflow could work 23:55:59 <PublicServer> <Bassals> oooh 23:56:01 <PublicServer> <Techinica> or just leave it as a monument to fail ;) 23:56:04 <PublicServer> <mfb> but why do you connect it? 23:56:07 <PublicServer> <sturmi> i leave it for now :D 23:56:38 <PublicServer> <mfb> signals are wrong, however 23:57:52 <andrew2> darn, funken water pump gone bye bye while i was building. 23:58:02 <andrew2> now ain't that a pitty.. 23:58:04 <andrew2> :D 23:58:08 <PublicServer> *** Okami_Xci has left the game (leaving) 23:58:08 <PublicServer> <Bassals> oh... 23:58:09 <PublicServer> <Bassals> bad luck 23:58:13 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop 23:59:21 <PublicServer> <Techinica> hmmm... looks like we need infinite station penalty too :) 23:59:43 <PublicServer> <Bassals> ?