Log for #openttdcoop on 14th April 2013:
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04:11:26  <Sylf> nobody's playing this weekend :/
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04:37:42  <Killian> !players
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08:59:08  <PublicServer> Dom_: levity
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08:59:51  <Maraxus> !password
08:59:51  <PublicServer> Maraxus: levity
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09:31:25  <V453000> !update
09:31:26  <PublicServer> V453000: Update starting...
09:34:24  <PublicServer> Update done: OpenTTD r25186 (run !install)
09:34:38  <V453000> !install
09:34:40  <V453000> !password
09:34:43  <PublicServer> V453000: install done, please run !restart
09:34:43  <PublicServer> V453000: swills
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09:38:37  <PublicServer> Thank you for playing r25178.
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09:42:15  <Maraxus> !password
09:42:15  <PublicServer> Maraxus: squids
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09:46:58  <V453000> !dl win64
09:46:59  <PublicServer> V453000:
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09:52:45  <V453000> im just browsing through Guides
09:52:52  <V453000> I cant believe how messy it is
09:53:04  <V453000> any newer players/people who remember reading through it?
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09:56:28  <Maraxus> I did read it at some point and learned something from it
09:58:03  <V453000> coming for example from here
09:58:22  <V453000> Glossary = @@slowstart basically
09:58:22  <Webster> Read everything on the wiki, and I mean everything
09:59:32  <V453000> An illustrated guide to proper building - should imo be one general page, not like 8 pages
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10:00:19  <V453000> presignal part should be moved somewhere, but not be there imo
10:00:36  <V453000> most of its part are outdated/wrong and the balancing should be elsewhere
10:00:48  <Maraxus> it would certainly be easier to find stuff - I used to use the 'Guides Overview' to find what I needed
10:01:29  <V453000> well yeah but that is when you are searching for something
10:01:38  <V453000> @quickstart
10:01:39  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
10:02:00  <V453000> :| quickstart has something but ...
10:03:08  <V453000> there is no page which quickly explains 1. how not to screw up on the server (that we build in 1 company etc)
10:03:31  <V453000> 2. how to get in game
10:04:17  <V453000> that should honestly be the quickstart, linking to rules and stuff ... game stages in quickstart are cute but that doesnt exactly explain enough I think ... and links to the other guide pages are a mess
10:05:01  <V453000> the biggest problem in my eyes is that there is everything everywhere, multiple classes of guides, and it is almost impossible to maintain that way
10:05:43  <V453000> I know there is a lot to cover but I am trying to think of a simple systematic page - one page - which would work as a hub for Everything a new player needs
10:06:05  <V453000> I guess the main page -getting started says something like that
10:07:59  <Maraxus> so you want to make something that says a bit more than that page or?
10:13:17  <V453000> maybe just sanitizing quickstart and changing a few of the links for that would help
10:13:54  <V453000> still the mess in Guides is only ignored instead of done something with ... I guess I just dont want to be removing stuff en masse, but I am not sure if there is any other sane solution
10:19:10  <Maraxus> can't think of any atm - other that rewriting a bunch of stuff into some new pages, relink it and then delete the old pages...
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11:20:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> !players
11:20:45  <PublicServer> ZxBiohazardZx: There are currently no clients connected to the server
11:20:46  <ZxBiohazardZx> !info
11:20:47  <PublicServer> ZxBiohazardZx: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Brown & Co.'  Year Founded: 2020  Money: 35490409  Loan: 0  Value: 35889868  (T:2, R:0, P:5, S:0) unprotected
11:21:25  <ZxBiohazardZx> !password
11:21:25  <PublicServer> ZxBiohazardZx: squids
11:21:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> !dl win64
11:21:43  <PublicServer> ZxBiohazardZx:
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11:24:42  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> meh still only 2 plans :()
11:29:43  <V453000> !password
11:29:44  <PublicServer> V453000: garish
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11:30:05  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> sup v :)
11:30:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> moo
11:31:24  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> beh!
11:32:03  <V453000> @stage Voting
11:32:03  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG258 (r25186) | STAGE: Voting | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | | Participate on wiki upgrades!"
11:33:09  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> so me vs sylf it is, i cant vote myself, so ill vote him :P
11:33:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol, sense
11:33:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> if you dont vote then you automatically vote for yourself
11:34:09  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ah ok
11:34:40  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> tbh i dont really care, both ideas are fine i think, he is crossing them out, im massing in 1 point, thats the only diff
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11:35:02  <Vinnie_nl> !dl osx
11:35:02  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl:
11:35:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> Sylf has endlessly better plan
11:35:15  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
11:35:29  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i dont mind building that either XD
11:35:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> your is alright
11:35:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> but his is just high standard
11:35:40  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> his plan is more fun i agree
11:35:58  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> crossing them was good idea, when i spotted it, it looked good
11:36:06  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> just TL3 and "masai" (i dont see m)
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11:36:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> crossing?
11:36:31  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> will they come available later
11:36:34  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> he EH40
11:36:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> you can check?
11:36:48  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> crossing as in bring food to other side of map, both ends, thus
11:37:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> well it is the concept from pzg17
11:37:52  <PublicServer> <V453000>
11:38:18  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> found already 250 kmph way faster then mine but thats ok
11:38:26  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> and yeah its a good concept
11:38:37  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i just went greedy-mode aka all to one
11:39:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> only goods/food are all to one if I am not mistaken
11:39:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> which isnt really that much
11:39:16  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> 2040 so next y ear the train is out
11:39:22  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah goods and food all to one
11:39:29  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i could add coal there, but nah
11:39:45  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> sylfs plan is nice, ill vote it
11:40:47  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> oh well ill be off in about half an hour so ill see who wins tonight and help building some
11:41:05  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> whats ML size for his plan?
11:41:11  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> LL RR, LLL RRR or?
11:41:17  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> it didnt mention that :p
11:41:31  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> default is like LL_RR
11:41:34  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> k
11:41:44  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway im off now, packing stuff
11:41:55  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ill be back around 19:00 GMT+1 XD
11:42:02  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hopefully so i can build some stuff
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11:43:24  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> isnt CL less then 120 kmph for erail?
11:43:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> CL2
11:43:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> 132 I think
11:43:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> not sure
11:43:48  <V453000> @clcalc rail 2
11:43:48  <Webster> V453000: A rail Curve Length of 2 (3 half tiles) gives a speed of 132km/h or 82mph
11:45:20  <V453000> !start prozone
11:46:30  <ZxBiohazardZx> ?:P
11:46:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> still here?
11:47:05  <ZxBiohazardZx> CL2 works for 120kmph erail so
11:47:18  <Vinnie_nl> i know now
11:47:31  <Vinnie_nl> i thought it was 11 kmph max
11:47:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> 112 is CL1.5
11:48:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> 134 with tilt (nuts superstrong)
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11:55:47  <V453000> im at the pz if you wanted to play
11:57:25  <Vinnie_nl> let me check that game
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15:49:03  <Maraxus> !password
15:49:03  <PublicServer> Maraxus: garter
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16:27:03  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: garter
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17:33:35  <ZxBiohazardZx> !password
17:33:36  <PublicServer> ZxBiohazardZx: garter
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17:33:48  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> heya
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17:33:57  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i think we have a clear winnar?
17:36:28  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> so game in about 30 mins?
17:38:30  <V453000> I dont think you are the one to state that nor to make statements when the game starts
17:38:46  <V453000> also, winnar is cute but with no people to build it isnt quite useful
17:39:54  <ZxBiohazardZx> true
17:40:05  <ZxBiohazardZx> but we do have a clear winner in the votings
17:40:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> and im my experience we usually move to buildstage after we have that + pplz online (and again usually ppl are online on the sunday evening for some reason)
17:42:10  <V453000> I have no words
17:43:37  <V453000> what will I say though is that you should notice there is some way how things work here and that you should (in general) follow the rules in the game, and leave decisions to the people who are meant to make them
17:44:09  <V453000> when Sylf comes and/or when people gather, a game can start
17:44:22  <V453000> not just because you come and declare that it starts in 30 minutes
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17:45:17  <ZxBiohazardZx> xd
17:45:42  <V453000> understood?
17:48:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> ofc :P
17:48:28  <ZxBiohazardZx> i never had the illusion the "30 min game" would work :P
17:49:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> but it did get you awake :) XD
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17:49:28  <ZxBiohazardZx> im gonna make some dinner, so back in about an hour :P
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17:50:07  <V453000> you oare a nice person but please be less hyperactive
17:50:12  <V453000> it isnt helping you nor us
17:52:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
17:52:06  <ZxBiohazardZx> i get that all the time :)
17:52:24  <ZxBiohazardZx> talk first, think about 5s after :)
17:53:27  <V453000> just do realize that there are rules around here and there are members / game plans to make decisions
17:53:35  <V453000> and it is all right
17:53:51  <ZxBiohazardZx> i do understand the rules
17:54:02  <V453000> I know you are just trying to help make the game more active, but you dont do it that way :P
17:54:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
17:54:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> if i wanted to get it active
17:54:18  <ZxBiohazardZx> then id get some friends to join
17:54:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> but nah
17:54:22  <ZxBiohazardZx> they suck in ottd
17:54:26  <ZxBiohazardZx> they are way better in dota :P
17:54:30  <ZxBiohazardZx> so we dota XD
17:54:53  <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway really gonna make some food :P
17:55:20  <hylje> doto
17:55:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> doto?
17:55:55  <ZxBiohazardZx> also hello :)
17:56:22  <hylje> it's how everyone refers to dota 2
17:56:37  <V453000> dota is a good game but the community manners are a tiny little bit diverse from here :P
17:56:42  <hylje> cyka
17:57:14  <V453000> and I dont mean that people there say I said good day sir
17:57:43  <hylje> you get nothing?
18:03:06  <V453000> wa
18:13:09  <Maraxus> !password
18:13:10  <PublicServer> Maraxus: unpaid
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18:15:33  <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah Dota2 is what we play
18:15:38  <ZxBiohazardZx> we hate russians with intense hate
18:15:47  <V453000> like everybody else :D
18:15:49  <ZxBiohazardZx> but we have 4-8 real life friends teaming up
18:15:56  <ZxBiohazardZx> one guy is insane godlike
18:16:07  <ZxBiohazardZx> for he quit this year on study to start a different one next year
18:16:11  <ZxBiohazardZx> so hes playing like 24/7
18:16:27  <ZxBiohazardZx> though recently we picked up a bit
18:16:38  <ZxBiohazardZx> oh well, i still like OTTD
18:16:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> its different
18:16:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> less hasty
18:16:49  <ZxBiohazardZx> less pressure
18:17:14  <Vinnie_nl> !playercount
18:17:14  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: Number of players: 1 (0 spectators)
18:17:32  <V453000> hehe :)
18:18:40  <ZxBiohazardZx> !password
18:18:41  <PublicServer> ZxBiohazardZx: unpaid
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18:19:01  <ZxBiohazardZx> i lol on the passwords sometimes
18:19:31  <hylje> unpaid is better than werkloos
18:21:56  <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
18:22:04  <ZxBiohazardZx> true werkloos, kansloos :P
18:22:35  <Vinnie_nl> your still from finland?
18:22:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> finland? me?
18:23:01  <V453000> dutch vs the world
18:23:05  <ZxBiohazardZx> im dutch :P
18:23:43  <Vinnie_nl> Me to, but hylje is living in finland according to my memory
18:23:49  <hylje> yes
18:24:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> he is in the userlist :P
18:24:46  <V453000> the floods are coming
18:24:48  <V453000> im sure
18:24:55  <ZxBiohazardZx> let it come V
18:24:57  <ZxBiohazardZx> im a civil engineer
18:24:59  <ZxBiohazardZx> and dutch
18:25:03  <ZxBiohazardZx> we love water
18:25:05  <ZxBiohazardZx> the more the better
18:25:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> as that means we can build even more awesome constructions to protect our country from stuff
18:25:24  <Vinnie_nl> i like beer more then water
18:25:26  <ZxBiohazardZx> if anything then belgium will flood
18:25:42  <V453000> Vinnie wins a point
18:26:05  <Vinnie_nl> and also i highlighted enough people :P
18:26:15  <ZxBiohazardZx> ?
18:26:24  <TWerkhoven> :p
18:26:34  <ZxBiohazardZx> haha more?
18:26:36  <Vinnie_nl> there we go, first one to come in
18:26:41  <TWerkhoven> <-- dutch too
18:26:44  <ZxBiohazardZx> more dutchies
18:26:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> lets make this dutch game
18:26:49  <TWerkhoven> xcept i dont live there anymore either
18:27:03  <ZxBiohazardZx> all vote the dutch plan and game (dutch takeover!)
18:27:16  <V453000> I feel you TWerkhoven, I wouldnt be able to stay there for long either
18:27:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
18:27:24  <TWerkhoven> hehe
18:27:25  <ZxBiohazardZx> like croatia is so good?
18:27:33  <Vinnie_nl> he doesn't live there
18:27:39  <ZxBiohazardZx> ow wait
18:27:43  <ZxBiohazardZx> no wait
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18:27:47  <ZxBiohazardZx> he is czech
18:27:48  <TWerkhoven> i live in the land of the whiskey
18:27:48  <ZxBiohazardZx> my bad
18:27:51  <ZxBiohazardZx> tjechie
18:27:56  <ZxBiohazardZx> russia?
18:27:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> ow haha
18:28:01  <Vinnie_nl> you live near Scotland?
18:28:05  <ZxBiohazardZx> gb?
18:28:06  <ZxBiohazardZx> nice
18:28:15  <hylje> dutch game means you build everything on sealevel using canal walls?
18:28:29  <Vinnie_nl> and every 50 years you flood the place
18:28:30  <TWerkhoven> in even
18:29:03  <V453000> mygod
18:29:09  <ZxBiohazardZx> hyle or just raize 1 edge around it
18:29:12  <ZxBiohazardZx> there have been maps using it
18:29:15  <TWerkhoven> theres a distillery turned into a hotel/restaurant nearby even
18:29:25  <ZxBiohazardZx> i actually acidentally flooded stuff on there, pretty good map/gameplay
18:29:33  <drdino> What's going on cfool train guys!
18:29:46  <ZxBiohazardZx> dafuq who did you tag Vinnie haha
18:29:46  <V453000> cfool? :d
18:29:51  <drdino> cool
18:29:51  <ZxBiohazardZx> cool i think
18:29:54  <ZxBiohazardZx> fool
18:29:59  <ZxBiohazardZx> you decide what you are V
18:30:03  <V453000> oooo
18:30:06  <Vinnie_nl> Bio if you say beer alot of people get highlighted
18:30:11  <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
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18:30:13  <ZxBiohazardZx> for real?
18:30:20  <V453000> yes
18:30:23  <ZxBiohazardZx> haha epic
18:30:25  <hylje> beer beer beer
18:30:40  <ZxBiohazardZx> good bot is good
18:31:10  <V453000> @beer
18:31:10  <Webster> The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems
18:31:14  <ZxBiohazardZx> one guy made everyone in the channel and in known userlist get tagged when someone in the channel said "hello" or "hi" on april fools day
18:31:16  <ZxBiohazardZx> quite annoying
18:31:55  <V453000> oh drdino is dr-dinosaur
18:31:56  <V453000> right
18:32:05  <dr-dinosaur> yeah
18:32:07  <dr-dinosaur> I like dinosaurs
18:32:17  <V453000> thats alright I like them too
18:32:25  <Vinnie_nl> rawr!!
18:32:36  <V453000> *slug*
18:32:37  <dr-dinosaur> I always get confused though
18:32:41  <dr-dinosaur> cause I like dinosaurs
18:32:48  <dr-dinosaur> but I bet some wierdos 'LIKE' dinosaurs
18:32:53  <dr-dinosaur> as in, in a special way
18:32:57  <dr-dinosaur> >.>
18:33:04  <V453000> ok :D
18:33:15  <Vinnie_nl> and you know those people?
18:33:16  <V453000> and You tell Me that I am mental
18:33:17  <V453000> right
18:33:25  <TWerkhoven> is he wrong?
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18:33:32  <dr-dinosaur> I don't, but when people like that are around, am I really a proper dinosaur fan.
18:33:43  <V453000> lol
18:33:48  <ZxBiohazardZx> how do you know they go rawr and the j-park sounds?
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18:33:59  <dr-dinosaur> Rule 32
18:34:07  <dr-dinosaur> Someone out there will have Jurassic Park porn
18:34:08  <ZxBiohazardZx> they cant even tell what color them fag things where, cgi / designer choices make you imagine it
18:34:22  <dr-dinosaur> Oh, well i suppose
18:34:28  <dr-dinosaur> they could be cow coloured
18:34:38  <ZxBiohazardZx> they cant tell skincolour, they only know bone structure and made a guess on how anatomy would have been
18:34:58  <V453000> W
18:34:59  <V453000> T
18:34:59  <V453000> F
18:35:02  <V453000> :D
18:35:02  <ZxBiohazardZx> weight/size is roughly correct though
18:35:10  <ZxBiohazardZx> rest is made up guessing
18:35:12  <ZxBiohazardZx> lol V
18:35:17  <V453000> @coopstats
18:35:18  <Webster> #openttdcoop @ OFTC stats by Webster -
18:35:22  <dr-dinosaur> They only realised they had feathers like 20 years ago
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18:36:22  <ZxBiohazardZx> im in none of the lists v so complain less
18:36:41  <ZxBiohazardZx> V453000 is a very aggressive person.
18:36:42  <ZxBiohazardZx> lolz
18:37:19  <V453000> well yeah cuz we had a slap-war with Vitus and apparently nobody uses the slap since
18:37:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> also your nick gets referenced alot
18:37:29  <ZxBiohazardZx> 1 	V453000 	16494 	PublicServer
18:37:31  <V453000> surprise
18:37:35  <ZxBiohazardZx> omg thats 16496 times you
18:37:50  <ZxBiohazardZx> adding the 2 non-counted ones i used since opening page
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18:38:10  <V453000> it updates only like 4 times per day
18:38:20  <ZxBiohazardZx> ah k
18:38:26  <V453000> it really doesnt go through all of our logs upon loading the page :)
18:38:57  <ZxBiohazardZx> fair enough
18:39:18  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ohi maraxus ingame :P
18:39:30  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
18:39:32  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> sup
18:42:30  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz shouldnt EH40 be available by now (intro date is 2040 according to what i see)
18:42:40  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> but either im blind or i just dont see the train
18:44:31  <V453000> !date
18:44:32  <PublicServer> V453000: 27 Oct 2041
18:44:34  <V453000> very unlikely
18:44:57  <V453000> date is randomized afterwards, engines come around 2 years later
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18:46:28  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ah ok
18:46:34  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> so not out yet :)
18:46:35  <tycoondemon> !password
18:46:36  <PublicServer> tycoondemon: ankled
18:46:40  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> fair enough
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18:46:48  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> heya
18:46:50  <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> he there
18:46:53  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> how you doing?
18:46:59  <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> fine
18:47:07  <PublicServer> <tycoondemon> hmmm
18:47:25  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ?
18:48:13  <PublicServer> *** tycoondemon has left the game (leaving)
18:56:23  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> there the EH's are
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19:04:38  <Vinnie_nl> @quote
19:04:57  <Vinnie_nl> @logs
19:04:58  <Webster> #openttdcoop IRC webstuff - IRC Log Viewer -
19:05:55  <V453000> bodybuilding
19:06:35  <Vinnie_nl> yeah
19:06:46  <Vinnie_nl> but the funny one is you playing with yourself
19:07:11  <Vinnie_nl> #19
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19:09:05  <V453000> duh :)
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19:20:21  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players)
19:25:22  <Vinnie_nl> the waiting
19:25:26  <Vinnie_nl> i remeber now
19:33:55  <Vinnie_nl> !password
19:33:55  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: befell
19:34:03  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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19:40:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
19:40:28  <PublicServer> <Sylf> ello
19:45:05  <V453000> hai
19:47:54  <V453000> !password
19:47:54  <PublicServer> V453000: dieing
19:48:01  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> eh
19:48:03  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ey*
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19:48:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> ...............
19:48:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> ZxBiohazardZx: do that horseshit in single player pls
19:48:39  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> thats like ssssssssss in morse
19:48:41  <PublicServer> <Sylf> zzzzzzzz
19:48:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> Sylf: build build ? :)
19:49:06  <PublicServer> <Sylf> sure, why not
19:49:13  <V453000> @stage Building
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19:49:19  <PublicServer> <Sylf> holy crap
19:49:33  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I just saw bio's newly updated plan
19:49:39  <PublicServer> <Sylf> TL12, eh
19:49:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> I wasnt talking about plan
19:49:53  <dr-dinosaur> What's going on... new pro map?
19:49:55  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I know
19:49:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> but about the boredom
19:49:58  <PublicServer> <Sylf> but
19:49:58  <dr-dinosaur> That I may be intersted in
19:50:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> dino Public server
19:50:24  <dr-dinosaur> building phase.... I wanted to put in a terible plan :)
19:50:28  <dr-dinosaur> !download win64
19:50:28  <PublicServer> dr-dinosaur:
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19:51:08  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> haha yeah gratz sylf
19:51:43  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> sooo
19:51:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> you can at least respond that you acknowledge not building wtf stuff on the map all the time
19:51:51  <Sylf> @stage Building
19:51:52  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG258 (r25186) | STAGE: Building | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | | Participate on wiki upgrades!"
19:51:53  <dr-dinosaur> !password
19:51:53  <PublicServer> dr-dinosaur: dieing
19:52:01  <V453000> did that already Sylf :p
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19:52:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> TWerkhoven: Wakup call
19:52:34  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ill remove it since we start
19:53:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> not since we start
19:53:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> you were asked not to build them again
19:53:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> this is not a pigeon farm
19:53:19  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i was asked not to terraform
19:53:53  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> We need reference trains in the middle right?
19:56:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> trainyard
19:56:19  <Jam35> !password
19:56:19  <PublicServer> Jam35: rental
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19:56:56  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> mja ik weet t vinnie, komt goed
19:57:30  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> my fault
19:57:58  <ZxBiohazardZx> ?
19:58:06  <ZxBiohazardZx> !password
19:58:06  <PublicServer> ZxBiohazardZx: rental
19:58:12  <ZxBiohazardZx> i just replied to vinnie?
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19:58:14  <V453000> the ruleset says english only
19:58:28  <dr-dinosaur> or Klingon :D
19:58:31  <ZxBiohazardZx> he talked in dutch? i replied in dutch?
19:58:32  <ZxBiohazardZx> but ok
19:58:46  <V453000> Vinnie didnt say anything in dutch?
19:58:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> private message
19:59:04  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> it was yellow and said vinnie
19:59:14  <V453000> private messages arent my problem sorry
19:59:24  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz thats just why :)
19:59:26  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> k
20:00:28  <PublicServer> <Sylf> wha?
20:00:44  <PublicServer> <Sylf> who forced what?
20:00:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> who did signs, is he done?
20:01:24  <Maraxus> !password
20:01:24  <PublicServer> Maraxus: rental
20:01:44  <PublicServer> *** Maraxus joined the game
20:01:48  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i mean purchase land tiles
20:02:10  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> basic scheme seems to be planted in tiles so think so
20:03:04  <PublicServer> <Sylf> yeah, I did the layout.  it should be done
20:03:10  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> LL RR right?
20:03:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> thank you
20:03:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> just joking Sylf
20:04:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> aka I just wanted to write the declaring sign at about the same time you wanted to :)
20:04:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> it needs to be obvious which is gold and which is food train :p
20:05:20  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I think this layout is too tight
20:05:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> is alright
20:06:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> but I prefer the normal / one
20:06:45  <PublicServer> <Sylf> yeah, me too.  I was trying something different... but let's fix
20:08:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> eyecandy train yards are great too!
20:08:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> like  a layout of a station with the trains put in it
20:08:32  <PublicServer> <Sylf> :)
20:09:32  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> You didn't wanna use NUTS? :(
20:11:30  <PublicServer> <Sylf> Don't worry, we'll have plenty of NUTS games in the future
20:11:52  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> But I like how easy the cargo is to differentiate :)
20:12:03  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> what is CL for these trains?
20:12:07  <PublicServer> <Sylf> 3
20:12:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> NUTS 0.5.0 coming tonight :P
20:12:12  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> k
20:12:19  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> what's new in .5?
20:12:21  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> turtles?
20:12:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> no
20:12:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> 1 new train though
20:12:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> + couple of small balance changes
20:13:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> also, it is nice to have some other sets than NUTS here
20:13:16  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> what set is this?
20:13:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> look? :d
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20:14:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw I joined a czech server today and what do you know, exactly the same refit I have on stable and with exactly the same trains :D
20:14:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> coincidence
20:14:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Jhonny?
20:14:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> ye
20:14:44  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> You are the pope of the openttd community?
20:14:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> well Ali built it
20:15:01  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah i saw that network
20:15:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> pope as in a rotten zombie? :P
20:15:30  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Ahhhh tracks!
20:16:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> is that an openttd prayer ?
20:16:15  <PublicServer> <Sylf> XD
20:16:27  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> the train is electric right?>
20:18:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> yz
20:18:53  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> somebodys put down normal track :)
20:19:29  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Hmmm.
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20:28:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> under 9 is 2
20:28:42  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> k thx
20:30:30  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> What determines these sign placements btw?
20:30:32  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> chaos?
20:30:36  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> inkling?
20:30:38  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> or maths?
20:30:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> the tile you put them on
20:30:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> obviously :)
20:30:45  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> :p
20:30:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> also height of the tile
20:30:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> including slopes
20:31:11  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> I'm going SE from the NE junction
20:31:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now i got that troll song in my head
20:31:25  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Ding dong the witch is dead?
20:32:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> do you want a reply dino? your not gonna like it
20:32:37  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> I don't know
20:32:41  <Vinnie_nl>
20:32:41  <Webster> Title: 10 Hour Video - Troll Song, Length: 10h 1s, Views: 410594, Likes: 2656
20:32:48  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> trorolllo?
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20:35:29  <V453000> cure
20:35:29  <Webster> Title: Blue Stahli - The Pure And The Tainted, Length: 2m 11s, Views: 584887, Likes: 5224
20:36:13  <V453000> I wonder why didnt it copy the beginning of the link
20:36:14  <V453000> meh!
20:37:13  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> quite a different song
20:37:44  <V453000> as I said, cure :P
20:38:42  <PublicServer> <Sylf> who's building the hub in CL2 in the middle?
20:38:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i think me
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20:39:12  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now it has sign
20:40:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> now it is nuked due to CL2? :D
20:40:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> k not :)
20:40:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no i was stuck
20:40:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> cure side effects
20:44:02  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> tunnels on snowline are different
20:44:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> of course
20:44:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> is that normal?
20:44:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> japanset only defines lowland tunnels
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20:58:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> the gold train in the trainyard looks like having a RV instead of the engine :D
20:58:40  <PublicServer> <Sylf> XD
20:58:54  <PublicServer> <Sylf> ooooh, the train yard is collecting oil
20:58:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> ye
20:59:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> just nuke the oil well later
20:59:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> or that
20:59:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> :>
21:03:02  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Erm
21:03:08  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> I'm working on the SE junction
21:03:14  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> coming off the ML, does it need balancing
21:03:18  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> or just going on?
21:04:45  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah we did it
21:04:47  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> yay, we won the game
21:04:58  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
21:05:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> next?
21:05:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> win
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21:05:53  <V453000> gg
21:06:08  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
21:06:42  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz i think thats bbh1 :)
21:06:45  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> anyone wanna check it?
21:07:17  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> I think v is too busy making the trainyard pretty :)
21:07:24  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> haha it looks good though
21:07:25  <V453000> it is Sylf not me
21:07:42  <V453000> I am busy drawing brutal wtf
21:07:47  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> NUTS
21:07:49  <PublicServer> <Sylf> lol
21:08:08  <V453000> asses will be ripped apart by bricks being shat
21:08:18  <V453000> 2 at a time.
21:08:19  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> :P
21:08:21  <PublicServer> <Sylf> ouch dude
21:08:28  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> im not gonna dl it, not worth it
21:08:40  <V453000> lets just say slug gets a friend
21:08:48  <V453000> or several
21:09:17  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
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21:09:44  <V453000> I see Jam35 wasnt happy bout that
21:09:48  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> whoever is in BBH1, can you tell what you do ?
21:09:50  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> so i know :P
21:10:10  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> I'm trying to get CCW to the offshoot
21:10:20  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> I'm not the best I have to admit :p
21:10:38  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ccw?
21:10:44  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> counter clockwise
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21:15:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you want feedback on BBH01?
21:15:49  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Not really >.<
21:15:52  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> it'll make me cry
21:15:55  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah
21:15:59  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i have 01 :P
21:16:09  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> signlist :p
21:16:19  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah DIno claimed it without a sign
21:16:22  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Oh. I'm 02
21:16:24  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> sorry
21:16:27  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> :P
21:16:39  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> its ok, its only a number
21:17:24  <V453000> NO.
21:17:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> actually thats all
21:17:28  <V453000> 01 is 01 :P
21:17:51  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ok Dino here is your feedback
21:18:09  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> this is a tunnel
21:18:11  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> hmmm
21:18:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> calling me a liar?
21:18:32  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> i'm saying its obtuse
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21:19:46  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> mind the CL for short ones  not sure it counts that as a s-curve....
21:20:12  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> and keep in mind that you can stretch tunnels to 6 or even 7 without penalty
21:20:27  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Only one train can occupt a tunnel though
21:20:37  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yes but see gap
21:20:52  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> you can go up to 9 lenght without flow issues afaik
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21:21:34  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> true on signalgap btw, not sure how to improve that on this join here
21:21:48  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> I'm not sure how much I can use the terraform tool though
21:22:11  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> look for terraform on the wiki
21:22:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> whatever it says on default it is
21:22:45  <V453000> dutch mode
21:22:59  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> `
21:23:01  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yes
21:23:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that is blowing up lakes
21:23:13  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> pretty much terraform is fine
21:23:23  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> as long as you dont remove whole mountains or landscape
21:23:35  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> aka its fine to landscape for tunnels/bridges, but dont raze a mountain
21:23:49  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Basically, don't enjoy terraforming
21:24:02  <V453000> LOL
21:24:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah you better not be smiling while terraforming
21:31:46  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> whoops
21:31:54  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> wutudo?
21:32:08  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> just tried to connect an entrance to an entrance
21:32:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah baby im done
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21:44:44  <V453000> BAKING :D
21:44:50  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> baking?
21:44:51  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> haha
21:45:13  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> banana's the oven?
21:45:13  <V453000> compiling
21:46:06  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> You are odd
21:46:28  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> even
21:50:30  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz hate
21:50:37  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> do 2 tunnels
21:51:07  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> :)
21:52:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> do left hand turn first
21:52:09  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i did
21:52:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> your getting stuck
21:52:15  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> one of them
21:52:18  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> nah ill be fine
21:52:24  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah i know me to left
21:52:27  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> me to left goes over this
21:57:07  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> gn
21:57:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cu
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22:13:47  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> Whew
22:13:50  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> BBH02, sorta done
22:13:58  <PublicServer> <Sylf> you want some bad news?
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22:14:24  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> ??
22:14:39  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> That's an easy fix :)
22:14:41  <V453000> !password
22:14:41  <PublicServer> V453000: nomads
22:14:53  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> who put the + stuff in BBH01?
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22:14:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> want some seriously bad news?
22:15:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> BBH03 has way too many bridges
22:15:33  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> You read my mind there :)
22:15:51  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> lol V
22:16:22  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> where?
22:17:19  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i didnt listen
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22:18:24  <PublicServer> <Dr-Dinosaur> okay let me see that one
22:18:38  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> V what bridge is "over" ?
22:18:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> over?
22:18:56  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> to many
22:19:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> every bridge
22:19:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> tunnels or death
22:19:08  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> lol
22:19:14  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> im not godlike as you are :)
22:19:14  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> sorry
22:19:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> write an article about it
22:19:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
22:19:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
22:19:31  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> forest is in the way
22:19:33  <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> why are there 2 bbh03's?
22:19:35  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> are there?
22:19:42  <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven[l]> white noise and /vinnie
22:19:54  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ah then ill go 04
22:19:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i failed with spacebars
22:20:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> who bashed Vinnie for no priorities should go read merging page
22:20:33  <V453000>
22:20:39  <V453000> when you are done, read it again :P
22:20:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> not good?
22:21:08  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> 03 dafuq bridges?
22:21:10  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> because its my text
22:21:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> olol
22:21:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> I thought someone bashed you for no prios
22:21:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i been carefull and checked it 2 times
22:21:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> well :D it is in that article if you dont know where you read it :P
22:21:52  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> should be ok until we need to expand
22:22:34  <PublicServer> <Sylf> bio, you dont have to tunnel that line at all
22:22:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> last screenshot of the article
22:22:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> ZxBiohazardZx: read what Sylf said
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22:23:16  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> sequential join?
22:23:30  <PublicServer> <Sylf> fdrom there... fix the CL I just made
22:23:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> simple as that
22:23:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> it doesnt matter which line you pick
22:23:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> all 4 are equal
22:24:22  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> swapping choices?
22:24:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> it doesnt matter if A is swapped for C
22:25:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> if A chooses from BD or C from BA
22:25:06  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah i see
22:25:12  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> inner mix
22:25:15  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> a b c d :)
22:25:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> the 2way can force a train into the prio
22:25:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> ye
22:25:35  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ah sorry
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22:25:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is important :) always build priorities so trains cant access them
22:26:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> why that
22:26:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> :d
22:26:24  <PublicServer> <Sylf> yeah, why
22:26:31  <jinks> !password
22:26:31  <PublicServer> jinks: jersey
22:26:42  <PublicServer> <Sylf> oh
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22:26:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> anyway brb
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22:31:11  <PublicServer> <Sylf> Bio, line A and B come from the same line
22:31:37  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hes at BBH 04
22:32:02  <PublicServer> <Sylf> Thats sopposed to be a balancer, right?
22:32:24  <PublicServer> <Sylf> but  with no gap and no presignals and such, it's not well balanced
22:32:43  <PublicServer> <Sylf> overall, you're splitting too soon
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22:32:58  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> its not a balancer its just tunneling the 2 lines under to the other side?
22:33:26  <PublicServer> <Sylf> that should make your life much easier
22:33:47  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah i overcomplicated it slightly
22:38:05  <PublicServer> <Sylf> htat was CL
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22:47:19  <PublicServer> <Sylf> what was wrong withit
22:47:34  <V453000> its alive :D
22:47:37  <V453000> !password
22:47:37  <PublicServer> V453000: rapist
22:47:43  <V453000> legit
22:47:45  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I suppose :d
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22:48:06  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> the A track has no choice thus needs prio?
22:48:28  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I didnt see anything wrong with ywhat you had
22:48:30  <PublicServer> <Sylf> even with prio
22:49:04  <PublicServer> <Sylf> you're making your life more difficult than it needs again?
22:49:47  <PublicServer> <Sylf> prio that short is practically not a prio
22:50:13  <PublicServer> <Sylf> also, lets do a lesson on balancing
22:50:23  <PublicServer> <Sylf> how does a balancer work, bio?
22:50:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> noo mape on stable :D
22:50:41  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> it balances the incoming traffic over available space in the main line
22:50:47  <PublicServer> <Sylf> oh my dear fcking god
22:51:21  <PublicServer> <Sylf> but how does know to send 1 train to 1 choice and the next one to the other?
22:51:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> you are crossing many lines for no reason
22:51:53  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> by using the signals :P and waiting bays
22:51:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> but its alright
22:51:57  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> if wait bay is full then move to next one
22:52:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> well without presignals they wont wait there
22:52:06  <PublicServer> <Sylf> how are waiting bays built?
22:52:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> and you dont have waiting bays there
22:52:18  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> "there"
22:52:29  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> Sylf usually 1 TL or bridge
22:52:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> and signalling?
22:52:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> presignals?
22:52:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> is this how you signal bays? :P
22:52:51  <PublicServer> <Sylf> look at !here for example
22:53:05  <PublicServer> <Sylf> lets change first to add presignals
22:53:11  <PublicServer> <Sylf> ok, done.
22:53:17  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> `
22:53:24  <PublicServer> <Sylf> but what happens to those exit signals once the trains pass them?
22:53:31  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> stop commenting juncts that are incomplete
22:53:36  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> comment BBH01, that was finished :P
22:53:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> ...
22:53:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> you placed the signals
22:53:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> it would be incomplete if they werent there
22:53:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> the placed signals were already wrong
22:54:03  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i place signals to keep track of directions
22:54:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> slash are
22:54:21  <PublicServer> <Sylf> look where I just removed the signals
22:54:27  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> when all tracks are done then i check all pre-exit etc sigs
22:54:42  <PublicServer> <Sylf> thats backwards
22:54:49  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hardly
22:55:00  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> as long as the tracklength is enough to stop a train
22:55:22  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> you just removed leftover signals from control-dragging so the bay would properly indicate if it is holding a train
22:55:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> wtf?
22:55:32  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> on the ! here sign that was
22:55:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> idk, but properly indicate in this case means that the signal you had there was breaking the waiting bay
22:55:59  <PublicServer> <Sylf> also, look at !twoway
22:56:14  <PublicServer> <Sylf> you shouldn't use two-way signals there
22:56:30  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ok wait 1 sec
22:56:33  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> let me finish it up
22:56:39  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> and clean up in my backward mode
22:56:45  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> and then lets see mistakes;)
22:59:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> and it is sleep mode for me
22:59:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> bai
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22:59:57  <PublicServer> <Sylf> cya
23:00:00  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> cya
23:02:35  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz
23:02:42  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i think this is mostly it
23:03:52  <PublicServer> <Sylf> let me show you easier way
23:04:02  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ?
23:04:09  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah but its shorter?
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23:04:31  <PublicServer> <Sylf> its now longer
23:04:41  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> k
23:04:47  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> wont that backfire?
23:04:50  <PublicServer> <Sylf> how?
23:04:57  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> combo being both pre and exit
23:05:05  <PublicServer> <Sylf> this is standard
23:05:08  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> k
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23:05:56  <jinks_> !password
23:05:56  <PublicServer> jinks_: tented
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23:06:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> welcome back
23:06:22  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> extra signal?
23:06:32  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> if i counted correct both have same penalty?
23:06:42  <PublicServer> <Sylf> on the top sign, you're making the waiting bay too short
23:06:53  <PublicServer> <Sylf> on the bottom one, you have 2 exit signals
23:07:35  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> better like so?
23:07:49  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> cl? thtas 3?
23:07:59  <PublicServer> <Sylf> that part
23:08:09  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ah good
23:10:11  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> also i asusme you commented BBH01?
23:10:17  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> why do matching letters need connect
23:10:28  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i swapped them (A-B B-A)
23:10:42  <PublicServer> <Sylf> BBH1 comment wasnt me
23:10:45  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz
23:10:51  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i dont see why the !balance is there
23:11:01  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> A -> B and B-> A is fine afaik
23:11:27  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> same for c and d
23:11:41  <PublicServer> <Sylf> actually, why do you need to cross from A-> B?
23:11:41  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i swapped them over, but nothing strange in flow
23:11:56  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> because dunno anymore
23:12:02  <PublicServer> <Sylf> no need to swap at all
23:12:04  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> cause it happened  in my mind
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23:12:18  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> A became B and B became A
23:12:24  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> doesnt really matter that much
23:12:46  <PublicServer> <Sylf> oooh
23:12:52  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I think I see what the commenter meant
23:13:16  <PublicServer> <Sylf> ... or maybe not
23:13:24  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> flow-wise it is correct
23:13:34  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> maybe  the swapover is unneeded
23:13:44  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> but it doesnt do harm in here if im not mistaken
23:13:55  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> all non-choice lanes have prio, and merge in 1 point
23:14:45  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> C-> C is not needed, thats the one where i didnt swap over
23:14:47  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> XD
23:14:58  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I think what it means is
23:15:04  <PublicServer> <Sylf> A doesnt have access to A
23:15:06  <PublicServer> <Sylf> B to B
23:15:08  <PublicServer> <Sylf> and C to C
23:15:30  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> it has: C-C D-D A-B B-A
23:15:52  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> E - A, E-B
23:15:58  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> E-D E-C
23:16:14  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> F-A , FB
23:16:16  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> all there
23:16:55  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> andE&F have choice on lanes, thus have choice/balancers
23:17:31  <PublicServer> <Sylf> going from A-B to G-H... they both have access to G&H
23:17:42  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ok for A: AC AH AG
23:17:52  <PublicServer> <Sylf> From E-F to G-H - E has access to both G&H, but F can only access G
23:17:58  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> for b: BD BH BG
23:18:01  <PublicServer> <Sylf> so G is more heavily loaded than H
23:18:07  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> is it?
23:18:09  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> why so?
23:18:15  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> A and B have choice on H and G
23:18:21  <PublicServer> <Sylf> A->G/H
23:18:23  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> E is on H, F is on G
23:18:25  <PublicServer> <Sylf> B->G/H
23:18:29  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yes
23:18:31  <PublicServer> <Sylf> E->G/H
23:18:33  <PublicServer> <Sylf> F->G
23:18:35  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> E isnt GH
23:18:37  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> E is H only
23:18:51  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ah fuck
23:18:57  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> E should have been H only
23:19:15  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> then its balanced again?
23:20:05  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I->K/L
23:20:12  <PublicServer> <Sylf> J->K/L
23:20:16  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> yes
23:20:18  <PublicServer> <Sylf> E->K/L
23:20:21  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> but then again E and F are direct?
23:20:23  <PublicServer> <Sylf> F->K
23:20:29  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> no
23:20:31  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> E is L only
23:20:37  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> where do you see E -> K?
23:20:51  <PublicServer> <Sylf> meh
23:20:54  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> :P
23:20:56  <PublicServer> <Sylf> maybe I saw wrong
23:21:02  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> i honestly thought about this :P
23:21:13  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> the mistake i admid was E-HG but the rest should be fine
23:22:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> this conversation is hard to follow
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23:23:45  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ?
23:23:51  <PublicServer> <Sylf> thats also a same thing
23:23:55  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> ah ok
23:24:33  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway i think 001 is fine
23:24:36  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> lemmy recheck 003
23:24:39  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> before i sleep
23:25:06  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> 03 still needs split on 1 side i see :P
23:25:30  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> and it has the same A-B  B-A conversion as 01 has :P
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23:26:21  <PublicServer> <Sylf> I needed to go hours ago
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23:28:15  <PublicServer> <ZxBiohazardZx> im off cya
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23:28:19  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cu
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23:28:49  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> well goodnight to the afk'ers :P
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