Log for #openttdcoop on 24th November 2014:
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13:02:56  <micky> hi
13:07:44  <V453000> hi
13:09:05  <micky> so i am new here...
13:10:18  <micky> is this right place to find people to play together or whatever
13:10:52  <planetmaker> it's the right place if you want to play cooperatively (on our servers)
13:12:08  <planetmaker> but you could just grab openttd 1.4.4 and join our welcome server, "#openttdcoop welcome server" in the server list as shown ingame
13:12:33  <micky> ok
13:12:53  <micky> i just started playing it couple days ago
13:13:16  <micky> ill check it out
13:16:17  <micky> my in game server list is empty
13:26:01  <planetmaker> search for servers
13:28:00  <micky> ddint work but adding the server manually did thx
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15:12:04  <Sylf> !password
15:12:04  <coopserver> Sylf: larger
15:12:37  <V453000> BIGGER
15:12:40  <V453000> hi Sylf :)
15:12:44  <Sylf> lo
15:13:13  <Sylf> oh hey, I fixed that one yeti issue with funding industries
15:13:26  <Sylf> let's make 0.1.1
15:13:30  <V453000> I saw in teh devzone :)
15:13:32  <V453000> already?
15:13:40  <V453000> was it just the clay pit or something else too?
15:13:47  <Sylf> just the clay pit
15:13:57  <Sylf> well, either way
15:14:16  <V453000> do you want to try making something like the 5X into a dock?
15:14:53  <Sylf> like FIRS fishing industry?
15:15:20  <V453000> exactly
15:16:56  <Sylf> we can do it
15:17:06  <Sylf> I like it in the middle of the ocean
15:17:32  <V453000> yeah
15:18:12  <Sylf> I can make it optional too
15:18:27  <V453000> nah I think it should have a dock station always
15:19:40  <V453000> ._. rendering chameleon hopper
15:19:44  <V453000> 5 minutes per frame
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15:19:52  <V453000> (one frame is one rotation)
15:19:54  <V453000> so times 8
15:20:14  <V453000> fuckload of displacement due to lots of cargo visible
15:20:57  <Sylf> I'm testing the speed of new nml version
15:21:01  <V453000> :)
15:21:22  <Sylf> looks like the latest version is amazingly fast
15:21:32  <V453000> btw it would be super cute if 5X was prospect only and the probability would somehow favor to have it built in the middle of a lake
15:21:34  <V453000> :0
15:21:37  <V453000> frosch did work :)
15:21:37  <Sylf> about 3 times fast processing the images
15:22:43  <Sylf> I was going the other direction
15:22:56  <Sylf> trying to find a way to fund any industries no matter the game setting
15:23:29  <V453000> meh
15:23:36  <V453000> is that necessary?
15:23:53  <V453000> secondaries are fundable always arent they?
15:23:57  <V453000> or
15:24:00  <Sylf> I want my farmz where I specify :)
15:24:13  <V453000> hm
15:24:32  <V453000> I kind of like that you have to adapt more to the map at least with primaries
15:24:40  <V453000> and then you can always specify that in the settings
15:24:44  <V453000> just change server settings imo
15:24:53  <Sylf> yeah
15:25:18  <Sylf> or, alternatively, make prospecting and funding cost similar
15:25:45  <Sylf> but these are less important stuff
15:25:52  <V453000> nah I would keep them high, specifying the location is kind of a hax and should be costly at least so you cant do it right away :P
15:26:10  <V453000> do you think we are able to make 5X more likely to be prospected in the middle of a sea rather than near a shore?
15:26:26  <V453000> I think it would make sense to make it harder by forcing it to be in the distance
15:26:56  <Sylf> 5X is a processing industry, so it can't be prospected the way it's set up now
15:26:59  <V453000> obvious alternative is to specify a min distance from shore but such hard limit sounds problematic with smaller maps / smaller lakes
15:27:04  <V453000> well yeah now :)
15:27:23  <V453000> am suggesting to make it prospected in the same sentence, fundable when primaries are fundable as well?
15:27:34  <V453000> meh probably not the brightest idea
15:28:00  <Sylf> and especially in multiplayer, I don't like the idea of having to prospect a bunch of 5X until I get something close to where I want one
15:28:30  <V453000> chance =D
15:28:49  <V453000> but yeah that is a matter of taste, I like that you have to adapt to situation at least a bit more
15:28:51  <Sylf> if you have a billion dollars, you just need to spam the entire map
15:28:56  <V453000> sure =D
15:29:52  <planetmaker> V453000, Sylf: probability of an industry near the shore could be achieved by using different tile layouts: 4 layouts which check for clear water somwhat around the industry; and one layout which doesn't check
15:30:02  <planetmaker> it could even look totally the same
15:30:36  <planetmaker> this clear water check is a special tile type as used also by the default oil rigs...
15:30:53  <Sylf> 5X needs to be built in the ocean, so you still need to be somewhat creative
15:31:12  <Sylf> also, I'll code it so it can't be built on canals
15:32:25  <Sylf> i haven't decided on rivers
15:32:56  <planetmaker> I think it means to use tile type 0xFF in the layout
15:33:19  <planetmaker> (wrt what I said earlier)
15:33:50  <Sylf> hm, okay
15:33:56  <planetmaker> checking for water or canals imho is annoying. It disallows it to be built on large water masses at not sealevel
15:34:25  <planetmaker> usually lakes and canals are not big anyway to allow an industry being placed
15:34:59  <V453000> pm clearly hasnt played on openttdcoop since wetrails exist XD
15:35:01  <V453000> canal galore
15:35:04  <V453000> :P
15:35:06  <planetmaker> and I can imagine scenarios where that would be nice to have otoh
15:35:14  <planetmaker> not true, V453000 :)
15:35:17  <V453000> yeah I think building it on canals isnt a big deal
15:35:19  <V453000> I know pm
15:35:26  <planetmaker> but nearly true
15:35:29  <planetmaker> :(
15:36:33  <Sylf> so, if I disable 5X on canals but not on rivers, then scenario makers can place it on lakes
15:36:52  <V453000> XD yay
15:36:57  <V453000> !password
15:36:58  <coopserver> V453000: edited
15:37:02  <Sylf> but players can't make a fake late (canals) and build it on the hill
15:37:06  <planetmaker> Sylf, yes. Think of lake constance
15:37:09  <Sylf> fake lake
15:37:14  <planetmaker> or lake victoria. lake earie. etc
15:37:33  <V453000> omfg pm the real world refference
15:37:36  <V453000> I almost died
15:37:39  <planetmaker> :)
15:38:04  <planetmaker> I'm just thinking of making scenarios :)
15:38:13  <V453000> XD
15:38:32  <planetmaker> not using RL. But using it as hint to *not* limit something always works. The reverse just doesn't hold :P
15:39:10  <Sylf> is it possible to make a processing industry prospect only?
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15:44:57  <planetmaker> Sylf, I don't think so. Prospecting is iirc tied to being a primary industry (organic / extractive) type
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15:58:45  <Vinnie_nl> !dl osx
15:58:45  <coopserver> Vinnie_nl:
16:01:20  <Vinnie_nl> !password
16:01:20  <coopserver> Vinnie_nl: styled
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17:27:10  <Maraxus> !password
17:27:11  <coopserver> Maraxus: decode
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17:29:12  <Vinnie_nl> oc11 voted twice :(
17:29:26  <britboy3456> Sylf said you could
17:29:41  <coopserver> <Maraxus> you can't
17:29:47  <britboy3456> He said it didn't matter as long as we found a favourite
17:30:40  <Vinnie_nl> i think we already did
17:31:32  <britboy3456> exactly
17:31:54  <britboy3456> cya guys bbl
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17:33:21  <Vinnie_nl> !password
17:33:22  <coopserver> Vinnie_nl: action
17:33:53  <Vinnie_nl> !ip
17:33:53  <coopserver> Vinnie_nl:
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18:25:43  <engineerwolf> !help
18:25:43  <coopserver> engineerwolf:
18:25:48  <Vinnie_nl> where are me coop friends?
18:26:46  <engineerwolf> hello! a newbie here. I was trying to load public server save games.
18:26:55  <engineerwolf> I downloaded the grf pack
18:27:25  <britboy3456> Vinnie: What?
18:27:39  <Vinnie_nl> oke, do you get an error message loading a save?
18:29:00  <Jam35> @quickstart
18:29:01  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
18:29:30  <Jam35> Hi friend :P
18:29:41  <Vinnie_nl> my best quess is that you are trying to load our public savegames with OPENTTD 1.4.4, you need a nightly build
18:29:50  <Vinnie_nl> easiest way is to foloow this link
18:29:52  <Vinnie_nl> !dl
18:29:52  <coopserver> Vinnie_nl: !download lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
18:29:53  <coopserver> Vinnie_nl:
18:30:01  <britboy3456> Can i do that?
18:30:02  <britboy3456> !dl
18:30:03  <coopserver> britboy3456: !download lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
18:30:04  <coopserver> britboy3456:
18:30:11  <britboy3456> ooh didn't know that :)
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18:31:29  <Jam35> so engineerwolf just missed all of that?
18:31:37  <Vinnie_nl> no he is in channel twice
18:31:53  <engineerwolf_> ya. connection problem
18:32:11  <Jam35> yeh sometimes one goes awol
18:32:18  <engineerwolf_> so recap 0_info.grf fails md5
18:32:30  <engineerwolf_> german town name 1.1 is there but md5 fail
18:32:48  <engineerwolf_> and stolen trees apparantly are missing
18:32:57  <engineerwolf_> because they are stolen duh!
18:33:51  <engineerwolf_> in landscape\stolentrees there is only testw.grf
18:34:00  <engineerwolf_> did I download wrong pack?
18:34:02  <Jam35> that is it
18:34:17  <Jam35> that is the grf id or something :)
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18:35:53  <engineerwolf_> did I disconnect agian?
18:36:22  <Jam35> yeah
18:36:50  <engineerwolf_> I need stolentreesW_168_108.grf
18:36:51  <Webster> Read the Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - (again, try !grf)
18:36:54  <Jam35> just to be sure, you have unzipped this into grf folder?
18:37:19  <engineerwolf_> obviously
18:37:44  <Jam35> and now you are trying a save game that requires that particular grf?
18:38:01  <Jam35> it may not be in the pack
18:38:23  <engineerwolf_> I am trying to open a save game
18:38:23  <Vinnie_nl> jam35 i think that file is in the old pack to make it difficult
18:38:30  <engineerwolf_> public server 121
18:38:40  <Jam35> sec
18:42:18  <Vinnie_nl> !grf
18:42:18  <coopserver> Vinnie_nl:
18:44:02  <Vinnie_nl> stolentrees file is in version 8
18:44:06  <Jam35>
18:44:19  <Jam35> compatible file
18:44:22  <Jam35> apparently
18:44:24  <Jam35> :)
18:45:35  <Vinnie_nl> 121 is a nice game
18:45:51  <Vinnie_nl> first SRNW
18:45:56  <Jam35> it looks jammed solid
18:46:03  <Jam35> maybe something got broken :)
18:46:29  <Vinnie_nl> could be that it doesnt work anymore with new versions of ttd
18:50:46  <engineerwolf_> ya. some thing wrong with ottd version. none of the public server games are loading. I tried one prozone 2013 final
18:50:55  <engineerwolf_> which loaded
18:51:15  <engineerwolf_> I was really looking forward to see how SRNW works
18:51:21  <engineerwolf_> :(
18:51:44  <Vinnie_nl> we can show you
18:51:48  <engineerwolf_> anyways its after midnight here. good night. thanks for the help
18:51:54  <Vinnie_nl> ke
18:52:04  <Vinnie_nl> ask again if you are interested
18:52:10  <Vinnie_nl> we can help alot more
18:52:40  <engineerwolf_> I will try with different version of ottd tomarrow.
18:52:56  <engineerwolf_> may be using same rc they used
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19:04:03  <britboy3456> Vinnie, are you aroung to explain your plan to me?
19:04:18  <Vinnie_nl> i can
19:04:45  <coopserver> <Vinnie> where do you get lost?
19:05:21  <coopserver> <britboy3456> I didn't even know flip flops were a thing in openttd
19:06:11  <coopserver> <Vinnie> its a logic gate that splits traffic equally among its choices
19:06:44  <coopserver> <britboy3456> how would you do that?
19:07:35  <coopserver> <Vinnie>
19:07:42  <coopserver> <Vinnie> this is one way to build it
19:09:12  <coopserver> <britboy3456> I see
19:09:21  <coopserver> <britboy3456> that sounds quite fun
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19:09:45  <coopserver> <Vinnie> to be fair
19:09:52  <coopserver> <Vinnie> sylfs plan is a bit better
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19:12:47  <V453000> id say it is about equal
19:13:22  <V453000> just a matter of taste between logic for (almost) no gain, and very on-the-fly manual adaptation, with LR start to fit the theme
19:14:24  <Vinnie_nl> jam gonna be tiebreaker
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19:15:38  <V453000> !password
19:15:38  <coopserver> V453000: actual
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19:16:13  <coopserver> <V453000> btw Vinnie are you aware that getting precise 1:1:1 between the 3 chains doesnt really have any benefit
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19:16:26  <Vinnie_nl> yeah
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19:16:32  <coopserver> <V453000> k
19:16:46  <Vinnie_nl> as long as just 1 of each is delivered
19:16:53  <coopserver> <V453000> why the flops then XD
19:17:20  <coopserver> <V453000> well I guess it makes pickups easier
19:17:34  <coopserver> <V453000> could theoretically even use 3-cargo trains XD
19:17:48  <Vinnie_nl> well wanna reduce the amount of main drops
19:17:57  <coopserver> <V453000> what
19:17:59  <Vinnie_nl> but then make each cargo atleast
19:18:06  <Vinnie_nl> might as well balance it then
19:18:21  <coopserver> <V453000> how do main drops differ if you have different ratio between stone/clay/wood?
19:18:21  <Vinnie_nl> if you make each type of cargo in a seperate drop
19:18:44  <Vinnie_nl> im probably explaining it wrong
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19:18:54  <Vinnie_nl> i mean
19:18:56  <damalix> !password
19:18:56  <coopserver> damalix: actual
19:18:58  <damalix> hello
19:19:02  <Vinnie_nl> hey
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19:19:14  <coopserver> <V453000> hi
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19:19:18  <coopserver> <V453000> yeah probably
19:19:40  <Vinnie_nl> lets say balance was behind the plan
19:20:00  <coopserver> <V453000> that is clear but as I said the balance isnt very helpful :P but sure, it fits the theme
19:20:08  <coopserver> <V453000> it isnt useless either
19:20:43  <coopserver> <V453000> and as I said, 3-cargo trains could be at least fun ... without functional benefits :)
19:21:14  <coopserver> <Vinnie> well we go sylf anyway
19:21:15  <coopserver> <V453000> it would make even more sure that you always deliver ALL of the cargoes
19:21:18  <coopserver> <V453000> which is cute
19:21:37  <coopserver> <Vinnie> fruit for a next plan
19:21:43  <coopserver> <V453000> yes
19:22:05  <coopserver> <V453000> I think it would make a lot more sense for like even longer but slower trains
19:22:08  <coopserver> <V453000> like superstrong
19:22:20  <coopserver> <V453000> OR smaller games
19:22:38  <coopserver> <V453000> where you get a lot less cargo, so deliveries are slower and you cant be sure that you get all cargoes all the time
19:22:41  <coopserver> <V453000> this would make sure of that
19:22:58  <coopserver> <Vinnie> thats a nice concept
19:25:00  <coopserver> <Vinnie> an industry produces/accepts 1024 per tile right?
19:26:10  <coopserver> <V453000> you mean maximum?
19:26:12  <coopserver> <V453000> 2295 per tile
19:26:23  <Vinnie_nl> oh wow thats alot
19:31:24  <coopserver> <Vinnie> oh that means max production is pretty easy
19:31:29  <coopserver> <Vinnie> in Coop
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21:01:27  <o11c> !password
21:01:27  <coopserver> o11c: newest
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21:30:28  <Jam35> !password
21:30:28  <coopserver> Jam35: refuse
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21:33:42  <Jam35> I vote for anarchy
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