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11:24:25  <happpy> !players
11:24:25  <coopserver> happpy: The server is empty, noone is connected. Feel free to remedy this situation
12:16:51  <sbn> Hi
12:31:05  <happpy> hi
12:31:08  <happpy> how things
12:41:17  <sbn> things good
12:41:19  <sbn> how things you?
12:42:00  <happpy> good
13:14:20  <sbn> what u upto
13:18:12  <happpy> whoching  the   golf  on tv
13:18:21  <happpy> what u upto
13:18:28  <sbn> just openend openttd
13:18:55  <happpy> nice
13:19:40  <sbn> playing my single player game
13:20:11  <happpy> nice
13:27:14  <sbn> happpy do you have a screen shot of a good ro-ro station with proper signals?
13:27:37  <happpy> nop  soory
13:33:42  <sbn> fuck I forgot to upgrade to electrified railways
13:33:53  <sbn> I was just going to do that
13:34:05  <sbn> and then I get the first monorail vehicle popup window
13:34:16  <sbn> so should I just upgrade to monorail straight away?
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14:24:26  <sbn> back
14:24:48  <sbn> so how do you guys handle upgrading from diesel/electric to mono or maglev?
14:28:00  <Mothership_Q> using PURR ;)
14:31:48  <V453000> yeah :) universal tracks ;)
14:42:13  <sbn> so we have an intermediate solution to the problem
14:48:25  <Mothership_Q> aside from sending all trains to the depot and selling them, no.
14:49:40  <sbn> coop uses the nuts set right?
14:51:26  <Mothership_Q> generally, yes.
14:52:31  <sbn> One of my problems is, deciding which trains I would like to use
14:53:30  <sbn> Well to be honest all my problems boil down to being indecisive
14:53:36  <Mothership_Q> V put together a neat wiki page that describes the different vehicle classes in NUTS
14:53:39  <Mothership_Q>
14:54:18  <Mothership_Q> should give you a good idea of what is suited for different networks
14:54:26  <happpy> yep
14:54:32  <happpy> true
15:00:41  <sbn> Mothership_Q is there a page like this for the standard train set
15:00:46  <sbn> or should I just switch to NUTS
15:02:45  <happpy>  switch to NUTS
15:07:25  <Mothership_Q> NUTS is much more descriptive
15:07:52  <Mothership_Q> but you can pretty much get all the information you need about the vanilla trains from the ingame stats cards
15:08:00  <Mothership_Q> speed, tractive effort, and power
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15:29:40  <sbn> so much info
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15:31:23  <lol> hi
15:31:29  <sbn> hi
15:32:20  <lol> can trainlimit be removed at the public server?
15:32:29  <lol> i think network can handle it
15:54:10  <sbn> V453000 or phatmatt or ^Spike^ can you help this guy?
15:54:13  <sbn> planetmaker
15:56:27  <V453000> !rcon set max_trains
15:56:28  <coopserver> Current value for 'max_trains' is: '1002' (min: 0, max: 5000)
15:56:33  <V453000> !rcon set max_trains 1003
15:56:35  <V453000> ? :P
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15:56:40  <V453000> !rcon set max_trains 1200
15:57:02  <sbn> public server he ask (is that this one?)
15:57:32  <V453000> :)
15:58:20  <sbn> for me the public server would be the .stable; because it requires no password
15:58:47  <sbn> last time I played there was no .stable anyway
15:58:49  <V453000> the password is publically available? :D
15:59:34  <sbn> true
15:59:48  <sbn> I would call this Main server or something like that
16:00:02  <sbn> doesn't matter
16:00:09  <sbn> this one is the public. I'll remember it that way
16:00:12  <V453000> yeah well it is just that way from history
16:00:18  <V453000> there was public, pro zone and member zone
16:00:18  <sbn> I know
16:00:33  <V453000> I admit that it is quite counte-intuitive the way it is now
16:01:29  <sbn> anyway, how is the article coming along?
16:01:42  <V453000> slowly but is :)
16:02:33  <sbn> Looking forward
16:02:52  <sbn> btw V453000 what's your favorite beer (if you drink that is)
16:03:04  <V453000> pilsner urquell
16:04:18  <sbn> yeah that's quite good
16:04:26  <sbn> czech has some great beers aswell
16:04:42  <sbn> Have you tried any belgian beers?
16:04:57  <V453000> I didnt try many foreign beers in general, so no sorry :)
16:05:08  <sbn> you should man
16:05:21  <sbn> czech and belgium are both real beer countries
16:05:26  <sbn> lots of breweries and what not
16:06:02  <V453000> where is hoegaarden from
16:06:06  <V453000> I love guiness btw
16:06:08  <sbn> belgium
16:06:18  <V453000> well then that is a belgium beer I like :D
16:06:30  <sbn> it's quite ok yeah
16:06:41  <V453000> I like hoegaarden as a drink with food
16:06:42  <sbn> Sweet taste
16:06:44  <V453000> like dinner etc
16:07:04  <sbn> you should dry a tripel or a dark beer with food
16:07:10  <sbn> that's a real great combo
16:07:28  <V453000> hm :)
16:07:39  <V453000> I usually just prefer water with food, like best thing
16:07:44  <V453000> or cocacola
16:07:52  <sbn> coke
16:07:54  <V453000> 99% of the time I drink beer only alone
16:07:54  <sbn> ;)
16:08:07  <sbn> I don't drink anymore to be honest
16:08:12  <sbn> like once in 3 months
16:08:18  <sbn> used to drink a lot as a student though
16:08:33  <V453000> well yeah it isnt like I drink daily either ;)
16:08:47  <V453000> something similar to your frequency
16:09:06  <sbn> I even brewed my own beer back in the day
16:09:37  <Hiddenfunstuff> vodka coffee good
16:09:57  <sbn> tbh
16:10:04  <sbn> that sounds like you have a problem
16:10:28  <Hiddenfunstuff> which one?
16:10:34  <sbn> vodka coffee
16:10:39  <Hiddenfunstuff> thats good
16:10:54  <Hiddenfunstuff> also vodka cola
16:10:59  <sbn> do you drink it for the taste
16:11:03  <sbn> or for getting drunk?
16:11:08  <Hiddenfunstuff> yes
16:11:37  <V453000> lol answer is yes
16:18:17  <Mothership_Q> if you are a belgian fan sbn, hope you are near the midwest
16:18:33  <sbn> I am belgian ;)
16:21:19  <sbn> You did mean midwest america, right Mothership_Q?
16:41:12  <Mothership_Q> yes, sorry, for whatever reason I thought you were stateside
16:41:16  <Mothership_Q> my mistake :)
16:57:29  <lol> !pw
16:57:29  <coopserver> lol: oldval
16:57:33  <lol> lets try someting
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16:58:15  <coopserver> <lol> thanks
16:58:28  <coopserver> <lol> maybe more people will play with this chance
16:58:30  <coopserver> <lol> change
17:01:41  <Mothership_Q> !pw
17:01:41  <coopserver> Mothership_Q: denied
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17:01:53  <coopserver> <lol> hi
17:02:06  <coopserver> <Mothership_Q> hey
17:04:14  <sbn> np Mothership_Q
17:06:39  <coopserver> <lol> foodpickup needs more capacity
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19:30:56  <jack123610> Hello?
19:35:47  <sbn> V453000
19:35:53  <sbn> there's a typo on this wiki page
19:35:55  <sbn> can I edit that?
19:35:58  <sbn>
19:36:15  <V453000> nah you cant but I will :P which one?
19:36:48  <sbn>  I can however see higher setting velues being very
19:36:55  <sbn> velues
19:37:22  <V453000> done
19:37:31  <sbn> aight
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19:43:08  <V453000> thanks :) btw, glad SOMEBODY reads the nuts wiki XD
19:43:39  <sbn> I don't really like picking new grfs straight away
19:43:48  <sbn> I am a bit autistic when it comes to change
19:44:12  <V453000> well, I have to admit that if I had no idea about grfs and had to choose, I would be downright confused
19:44:27  <V453000> back in the day there was way less newgrfs
19:44:32  <sbn> It's too much you know
19:44:33  <V453000> and it was still a lot
19:44:35  <sbn> so many information
19:44:39  <sbn> and the more I read
19:44:44  <sbn> the more I realise I don't want any of it :D
19:45:46  <sbn> For example
19:45:51  <sbn> ok I want to play with NUTS
19:46:12  <sbn> What train should I  use, what length should I use. Why are they so magically special why this why that why ....
19:46:44  <V453000> well those details are kind of the ultimate crossroad you can take
19:46:46  <Mothership_Q> there is no end game trainset for everything yet
19:46:54  <Mothership_Q> that is until V completes the doombringer
19:46:56  <V453000> but any train in NUTS will work fine with you and you will have fun with it
19:47:29  <sbn> so why would I use NUTS then if they all work?
19:47:59  <V453000> the problem with most train sets is that each of them has some critical problem that can occur somewhere in the game, like missing refits, no engine choice, no optimalization about vehicle expiring, .....
19:48:15  <V453000> NUTS simply works, at all times, with any industry set, gives you a lot of engine choices without useless engines
19:48:34  <V453000> all of the engines work, but if you want to be super-efficient, you can follow the hints and utilize the engines "correctly"
19:48:54  <V453000> example, TL3 maglev is relatively bad, but fun to use, same for things like TL2 slugs
19:49:12  <V453000> Mothership_Q: what do you mean by the doombringer? DOOM newgrf?
19:49:34  <Mothership_Q> "Doombringer. Nuff said."
19:49:39  <V453000> xd
19:49:43  <Mothership_Q> straight from the devils mouth ;)
19:50:12  <Mothership_Q> personally, the best part about nuts is the streamlining
19:50:20  <Mothership_Q> it fixes all the nuances of vanilla
19:50:26  <Mothership_Q> makes the game much more enjoyable
19:50:32  <Mothership_Q> and customizable too, really
19:50:54  <V453000> I do have some plans to make DOOM - something like NUTS2
19:51:02  <V453000> not a replacement, just an alternative
19:51:17  <sbn> which nuances in particuler Mothership_Q ?
19:51:18  <V453000> but those plans are kind of sleeping at the moment
19:52:01  <V453000> sbn, I am thinking poor variety of vehicles, maglev being automatically better than rail in all aspects, no refit, no autoreplacing between rail/mono/mglv, ...
19:52:03  <Mothership_Q> nuances like refits, replacements, and other general management bits and pieces
19:52:14  <Mothership_Q> exactly
19:52:22  <V453000> city - oriented trains being able to recolour? :P
19:52:39  <Mothership_Q> multicolored fashionable slugs?
19:52:40  <Mothership_Q> yes please
19:53:03  <V453000> :) well that is a random recolour, I mainly meant the manual refit-recolour of the passenger trains
19:53:04  <sbn> yeah the management bits is a pain in the ass
19:53:17  <sbn> it even makes me skip all the different types
19:53:27  <sbn> I just wait till maglev releases and upgrade to maglev in one go
19:53:50  <Mothership_Q> thats what most people do, not fun in my opinion
19:53:58  <sbn> true
19:55:35  <sbn> what are the bare minium of grfs I should play with
19:55:40  <sbn> NUTS feels like one
19:55:46  <sbn> universal rail?
19:55:54  <V453000> NUTS has universal rail :)
19:55:58  <Mothership_Q> included
19:56:00  <Mothership_Q> ^^
19:56:13  <V453000> btw, that is one of the fun parts in NUTS - rail x monorail x maglev are kind of similar in raw throughput
19:56:28  <sbn> I am already using zbase for graphics
19:56:30  <V453000> of course each some downsides and upsides, but one does not defeat the other utlimately
19:56:31  <sbn> so the zoom level is covered
19:56:52  <V453000> you might want to try to enhance zbase by RAWR
19:57:04  <V453000> I will be releasing first version of BRIX relatively soon too though
19:57:25  <sbn> I don't really care about the graphics
19:57:44  <sbn> I only use zbase because it works better with the zoom level (and on a 1080p resolution)
19:57:45  <V453000> well zbase is just way shitty to me
19:57:56  <sbn> Let me rephrase my self
19:58:00  <sbn> I am a programmer
19:58:00  <V453000> I am on 1600p resolution and original graphics are best to me
19:58:03  <sbn> not an artist
19:58:12  <V453000> eh alriht :P
19:58:50  <sbn> original graphics as in ttd graphics or opengfx ?
19:59:06  <V453000> ttd graphics, opengfx is pretty bad too
19:59:19  <V453000> but zbase is just multiple times worse than opengfx
19:59:25  <sbn> why? lol
19:59:31  <sbn> because the cartoon look?
20:00:01  <sbn> I was using the opengfx before
20:00:09  <sbn> and that pack is just not doing it on 1080
20:00:12  <V453000> well, if I was to say it shortly, original ttd graphics are professional work, opengfx is noob pixel art - but you cant screw up pixel art as badly as rendered 3D, and zbase is just noob 3D which is outright bad
20:00:13  <sbn> maybe the ttd graphics do work better
20:01:15  <sbn> you're right about the noob 3D
20:01:15  <V453000> in longer answer, original TTD has nice contrast, vibrance, correct work with pixel merging - bright pixels need to define the shapes so the eye perceives things as it should. In opposite, many things in opengfx feel blurry, detail-less, often dark, and messy.
20:01:23  <sbn> that's what bothers me most
20:01:41  <sbn> yeah the opengfx just felt really bad
20:02:31  <V453000> and zbase is just empty to me, zero detail, many blurry parts, many bugs, many terrible issues with e.g. lighting of vehicles in various angles
20:03:00  <sbn> zbase feels kid like
20:03:23  <V453000> nyway, nuff rant, moar effort to finish BRIX 0.0.1. It will be bigger than RAWR 0.0.1 so big deal incoming ;) see you for now
20:06:09  <sbn> there's only OpenGFX, NightGFX and zBase as base graphics?
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20:27:52  <sbn> Can't change a game that's already started without nuts to a nuts game can you?
20:34:46  <Mothership_Q> nope
20:57:44  <Mothership_Q> hm, for whatever reason I can get grain production to increase, but not livestock
20:57:45  <Mothership_Q> weird
20:58:04  <Mothership_Q> 90 tons grain/ 6 heads livestock lol
20:58:11  <sbn> Image?
21:01:42  <Mothership_Q>
21:02:08  <Mothership_Q> fluctuates between 6 and 12
21:02:22  <sbn> ow lol
21:02:31  <sbn> I thoguh 6heads as in 6 big trains or something
21:02:33  <sbn> thought
21:02:54  <Mothership_Q> ah yeah
21:03:23  <sbn> is that a nut train?
21:04:10  <Mothership_Q> yeah, first medium maglev
21:04:26  <sbn> you always play with the X at the station?
21:04:57  <sbn> X crossing
21:05:11  <Mothership_Q> for terminus, yeah
21:05:17  <Mothership_Q> although I would rather roro
21:05:45  <Mothership_Q> if you havent seen the .stable map, its pretty hard to make all the primary stations full roro
21:05:47  <sbn> you're doing something special with this game?
21:05:57  <sbn> I did see it
21:06:05  <sbn> lots and loads of islands
21:06:26  <Mothership_Q> the terrain is the biggest challenge
21:06:33  <Mothership_Q> most people have either TL2 or 3
21:06:51  <sbn> I am playing TL5 in my personal game
21:06:56  <sbn> and CV5
21:07:04  <sbn> but it's not hilly at all so  np
21:07:10  <sbn> but I guess my CL could be different
21:07:13  <sbn> CL not CV
21:09:47  <sbn> Mothership_Q maybe it's just a small farm and won't improve much?
21:10:54  <Mothership_Q> well, grain at 90 tons would lead me to believe otherwise
21:10:56  <Mothership_Q> possibly though
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22:27:33  <Razaekel> !date
22:27:33  <coopserver> Sep 10 2460
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