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Feel free to remedy this situation 12:16:51 <sbn> Hi 12:31:05 <happpy> hi 12:31:08 <happpy> how things 12:41:17 <sbn> things good 12:41:19 <sbn> how things you? 12:42:00 <happpy> good 13:14:20 <sbn> what u upto 13:18:12 <happpy> whoching the golf on tv 13:18:21 <happpy> what u upto 13:18:28 <sbn> just openend openttd 13:18:55 <happpy> nice 13:19:40 <sbn> playing my single player game 13:20:11 <happpy> nice 13:27:14 <sbn> happpy do you have a screen shot of a good ro-ro station with proper signals? 13:27:37 <happpy> nop soory 13:33:42 <sbn> fuck I forgot to upgrade to electrified railways 13:33:53 <sbn> I was just going to do that 13:34:05 <sbn> and then I get the first monorail vehicle popup window 13:34:16 <sbn> so should I just upgrade to monorail straight away? 13:37:59 *** Mothership_Q has joined #openttdcoop 14:24:26 <sbn> back 14:24:48 <sbn> so how do you guys handle upgrading from diesel/electric to mono or maglev? 14:28:00 <Mothership_Q> using PURR ;) 14:31:48 <V453000> yeah :) universal tracks ;) 14:42:13 <sbn> so we have an intermediate solution to the problem 14:48:25 <Mothership_Q> aside from sending all trains to the depot and selling them, no. 14:49:40 <sbn> coop uses the nuts set right? 14:51:26 <Mothership_Q> generally, yes. 14:52:31 <sbn> One of my problems is, deciding which trains I would like to use 14:53:30 <sbn> Well to be honest all my problems boil down to being indecisive 14:53:36 <Mothership_Q> V put together a neat wiki page that describes the different vehicle classes in NUTS 14:53:39 <Mothership_Q> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki/Cargo_Train_Classes 14:54:18 <Mothership_Q> should give you a good idea of what is suited for different networks 14:54:26 <happpy> yep 14:54:32 <happpy> true 15:00:41 <sbn> Mothership_Q is there a page like this for the standard train set 15:00:46 <sbn> or should I just switch to NUTS 15:02:45 <happpy> switch to NUTS 15:07:25 <Mothership_Q> NUTS is much more descriptive 15:07:52 <Mothership_Q> but you can pretty much get all the information you need about the vanilla trains from the ingame stats cards 15:08:00 <Mothership_Q> speed, tractive effort, and power 15:15:43 *** BiG_FISHBOT has quit IRC 15:17:32 *** happpy has left #openttdcoop 15:29:40 <sbn> so much info 15:31:20 *** lol has joined #openttdcoop 15:31:23 <lol> hi 15:31:29 <sbn> hi 15:32:20 <lol> can trainlimit be removed at the public server? 15:32:29 <lol> i think network can handle it 15:54:10 <sbn> V453000 or phatmatt or ^Spike^ can you help this guy? 15:54:13 <sbn> planetmaker 15:56:27 <V453000> !rcon set max_trains 15:56:28 <coopserver> Current value for 'max_trains' is: '1002' (min: 0, max: 5000) 15:56:33 <V453000> !rcon set max_trains 1003 15:56:35 <V453000> ? :P 15:56:38 *** Jam35_ is now known as Jam35 15:56:40 <V453000> !rcon set max_trains 1200 15:57:02 <sbn> public server he ask (is that this one?) 15:57:32 <V453000> :) 15:58:20 <sbn> for me the public server would be the .stable; because it requires no password 15:58:47 <sbn> last time I played there was no .stable anyway 15:58:49 <V453000> the password is publically available? :D 15:59:34 <sbn> true 15:59:48 <sbn> I would call this Main server or something like that 16:00:02 <sbn> doesn't matter 16:00:09 <sbn> this one is the public. I'll remember it that way 16:00:12 <V453000> yeah well it is just that way from history 16:00:18 <V453000> there was public, pro zone and member zone 16:00:18 <sbn> I know 16:00:33 <V453000> I admit that it is quite counte-intuitive the way it is now 16:01:29 <sbn> anyway, how is the article coming along? 16:01:42 <V453000> slowly but is :) 16:02:33 <sbn> Looking forward 16:02:52 <sbn> btw V453000 what's your favorite beer (if you drink that is) 16:03:04 <V453000> pilsner urquell 16:04:18 <sbn> yeah that's quite good 16:04:26 <sbn> czech has some great beers aswell 16:04:42 <sbn> Have you tried any belgian beers? 16:04:57 <V453000> I didnt try many foreign beers in general, so no sorry :) 16:05:08 <sbn> you should man 16:05:21 <sbn> czech and belgium are both real beer countries 16:05:26 <sbn> lots of breweries and what not 16:06:02 <V453000> where is hoegaarden from 16:06:06 <V453000> I love guiness btw 16:06:08 <sbn> belgium 16:06:18 <V453000> well then that is a belgium beer I like :D 16:06:30 <sbn> it's quite ok yeah 16:06:41 <V453000> I like hoegaarden as a drink with food 16:06:42 <sbn> Sweet taste 16:06:44 <V453000> like dinner etc 16:07:04 <sbn> you should dry a tripel or a dark beer with food 16:07:10 <sbn> that's a real great combo 16:07:28 <V453000> hm :) 16:07:39 <V453000> I usually just prefer water with food, like best thing 16:07:44 <V453000> or cocacola 16:07:52 <sbn> coke 16:07:54 <V453000> 99% of the time I drink beer only alone 16:07:54 <sbn> ;) 16:08:07 <sbn> I don't drink anymore to be honest 16:08:12 <sbn> like once in 3 months 16:08:18 <sbn> used to drink a lot as a student though 16:08:33 <V453000> well yeah it isnt like I drink daily either ;) 16:08:47 <V453000> something similar to your frequency 16:09:06 <sbn> I even brewed my own beer back in the day 16:09:37 <Hiddenfunstuff> vodka coffee good 16:09:57 <sbn> tbh 16:10:04 <sbn> that sounds like you have a problem 16:10:28 <Hiddenfunstuff> which one? 16:10:34 <sbn> vodka coffee 16:10:39 <Hiddenfunstuff> thats good 16:10:54 <Hiddenfunstuff> also vodka cola 16:10:59 <sbn> do you drink it for the taste 16:11:03 <sbn> or for getting drunk? 16:11:08 <Hiddenfunstuff> yes 16:11:37 <V453000> lol answer is yes 16:18:17 <Mothership_Q> if you are a belgian fan sbn, hope you are near the midwest 16:18:33 <sbn> I am belgian ;) 16:21:19 <sbn> You did mean midwest america, right Mothership_Q? 16:41:12 <Mothership_Q> yes, sorry, for whatever reason I thought you were stateside 16:41:16 <Mothership_Q> my mistake :) 16:57:29 <lol> !pw 16:57:29 <coopserver> lol: oldval 16:57:33 <lol> lets try someting 16:57:41 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 16:57:44 <coopserver> *** lol has joined 16:57:45 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:57:46 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:58:15 <coopserver> <lol> thanks 16:58:28 <coopserver> <lol> maybe more people will play with this chance 16:58:30 <coopserver> <lol> change 17:01:41 <Mothership_Q> !pw 17:01:41 <coopserver> Mothership_Q: denied 17:01:45 <coopserver> *** Game paused (connecting clients) 17:01:49 <coopserver> *** Mothership_Q has joined 17:01:50 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (connecting clients) 17:01:53 <coopserver> <lol> hi 17:02:06 <coopserver> <Mothership_Q> hey 17:04:14 <sbn> np Mothership_Q 17:06:39 <coopserver> <lol> foodpickup needs more capacity 17:21:43 <coopserver> *** lol has left the game (Leaving) 17:21:44 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 17:24:05 <coopserver> *** Mothership_Q has left the game (Leaving) 17:25:59 *** lol has quit IRC 17:29:11 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop 17:29:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Maraxus 17:32:56 *** liq3 has quit IRC 17:47:54 *** zwamkat has quit IRC 18:16:31 *** SteveT has joined #openttdcoop 18:23:24 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 18:27:23 *** BiG_FISHBOT has joined #openttdcoop 18:32:35 *** zwamkat has joined #openttdcoop 18:41:34 *** SteveT has quit IRC 18:59:46 <Maraxus> !pw 18:59:46 <coopserver> Maraxus: parnum 18:59:58 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 19:00:02 <coopserver> *** Maraxus has joined 19:00:03 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:00:49 <coopserver> *** Maraxus has joined company #1 19:00:50 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:04:25 <coopserver> *** Maraxus has left the game (Leaving) 19:04:26 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 19:09:21 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 19:30:44 *** jack123610 has joined #openttdcoop 19:30:56 <jack123610> Hello? 19:35:47 <sbn> V453000 19:35:53 <sbn> there's a typo on this wiki page 19:35:55 <sbn> can I edit that? 19:35:58 <sbn> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki/Usage 19:36:15 <V453000> nah you cant but I will :P which one? 19:36:48 <sbn> I can however see higher setting velues being very 19:36:55 <sbn> velues 19:37:22 <V453000> done 19:37:31 <sbn> aight 19:38:58 *** jack123610 has quit IRC 19:43:08 <V453000> thanks :) btw, glad SOMEBODY reads the nuts wiki XD 19:43:39 <sbn> I don't really like picking new grfs straight away 19:43:48 <sbn> I am a bit autistic when it comes to change 19:44:12 <V453000> well, I have to admit that if I had no idea about grfs and had to choose, I would be downright confused 19:44:27 <V453000> back in the day there was way less newgrfs 19:44:32 <sbn> It's too much you know 19:44:33 <V453000> and it was still a lot 19:44:35 <sbn> so many information 19:44:39 <sbn> and the more I read 19:44:44 <sbn> the more I realise I don't want any of it :D 19:45:46 <sbn> For example 19:45:51 <sbn> ok I want to play with NUTS 19:46:12 <sbn> What train should I use, what length should I use. Why are they so magically special why this why that why .... 19:46:44 <V453000> well those details are kind of the ultimate crossroad you can take 19:46:46 <Mothership_Q> there is no end game trainset for everything yet 19:46:54 <Mothership_Q> that is until V completes the doombringer 19:46:56 <V453000> but any train in NUTS will work fine with you and you will have fun with it 19:47:29 <sbn> so why would I use NUTS then if they all work? 19:47:59 <V453000> the problem with most train sets is that each of them has some critical problem that can occur somewhere in the game, like missing refits, no engine choice, no optimalization about vehicle expiring, ..... 19:48:15 <V453000> NUTS simply works, at all times, with any industry set, gives you a lot of engine choices without useless engines 19:48:34 <V453000> all of the engines work, but if you want to be super-efficient, you can follow the hints and utilize the engines "correctly" 19:48:54 <V453000> example, TL3 maglev is relatively bad, but fun to use, same for things like TL2 slugs 19:49:12 <V453000> Mothership_Q: what do you mean by the doombringer? DOOM newgrf? 19:49:34 <Mothership_Q> "Doombringer. Nuff said." 19:49:39 <V453000> xd 19:49:43 <Mothership_Q> straight from the devils mouth ;) 19:50:12 <Mothership_Q> personally, the best part about nuts is the streamlining 19:50:20 <Mothership_Q> it fixes all the nuances of vanilla 19:50:26 <Mothership_Q> makes the game much more enjoyable 19:50:32 <Mothership_Q> and customizable too, really 19:50:54 <V453000> I do have some plans to make DOOM - something like NUTS2 19:51:02 <V453000> not a replacement, just an alternative 19:51:17 <sbn> which nuances in particuler Mothership_Q ? 19:51:18 <V453000> but those plans are kind of sleeping at the moment 19:52:01 <V453000> sbn, I am thinking poor variety of vehicles, maglev being automatically better than rail in all aspects, no refit, no autoreplacing between rail/mono/mglv, ... 19:52:03 <Mothership_Q> nuances like refits, replacements, and other general management bits and pieces 19:52:14 <Mothership_Q> exactly 19:52:22 <V453000> city - oriented trains being able to recolour? :P 19:52:39 <Mothership_Q> multicolored fashionable slugs? 19:52:40 <Mothership_Q> yes please 19:53:03 <V453000> :) well that is a random recolour, I mainly meant the manual refit-recolour of the passenger trains 19:53:04 <sbn> yeah the management bits is a pain in the ass 19:53:17 <sbn> it even makes me skip all the different types 19:53:27 <sbn> I just wait till maglev releases and upgrade to maglev in one go 19:53:50 <Mothership_Q> thats what most people do, not fun in my opinion 19:53:58 <sbn> true 19:55:35 <sbn> what are the bare minium of grfs I should play with 19:55:40 <sbn> NUTS feels like one 19:55:46 <sbn> universal rail? 19:55:54 <V453000> NUTS has universal rail :) 19:55:58 <Mothership_Q> included 19:56:00 <Mothership_Q> ^^ 19:56:13 <V453000> btw, that is one of the fun parts in NUTS - rail x monorail x maglev are kind of similar in raw throughput 19:56:28 <sbn> I am already using zbase for graphics 19:56:30 <V453000> of course each some downsides and upsides, but one does not defeat the other utlimately 19:56:31 <sbn> so the zoom level is covered 19:56:52 <V453000> you might want to try to enhance zbase by RAWR 19:57:04 <V453000> I will be releasing first version of BRIX relatively soon too though 19:57:25 <sbn> I don't really care about the graphics 19:57:44 <sbn> I only use zbase because it works better with the zoom level (and on a 1080p resolution) 19:57:45 <V453000> well zbase is just way shitty to me 19:57:56 <sbn> Let me rephrase my self 19:58:00 <sbn> I am a programmer 19:58:00 <V453000> I am on 1600p resolution and original graphics are best to me 19:58:03 <sbn> not an artist 19:58:12 <V453000> eh alriht :P 19:58:50 <sbn> original graphics as in ttd graphics or opengfx ? 19:59:06 <V453000> ttd graphics, opengfx is pretty bad too 19:59:19 <V453000> but zbase is just multiple times worse than opengfx 19:59:25 <sbn> why? lol 19:59:31 <sbn> because the cartoon look? 20:00:01 <sbn> I was using the opengfx before 20:00:09 <sbn> and that pack is just not doing it on 1080 20:00:12 <V453000> well, if I was to say it shortly, original ttd graphics are professional work, opengfx is noob pixel art - but you cant screw up pixel art as badly as rendered 3D, and zbase is just noob 3D which is outright bad 20:00:13 <sbn> maybe the ttd graphics do work better 20:01:15 <sbn> you're right about the noob 3D 20:01:15 <V453000> in longer answer, original TTD has nice contrast, vibrance, correct work with pixel merging - bright pixels need to define the shapes so the eye perceives things as it should. In opposite, many things in opengfx feel blurry, detail-less, often dark, and messy. 20:01:23 <sbn> that's what bothers me most 20:01:41 <sbn> yeah the opengfx just felt really bad 20:02:31 <V453000> and zbase is just empty to me, zero detail, many blurry parts, many bugs, many terrible issues with e.g. lighting of vehicles in various angles 20:03:00 <sbn> zbase feels kid like 20:03:23 <V453000> nyway, nuff rant, moar effort to finish BRIX 0.0.1. It will be bigger than RAWR 0.0.1 so big deal incoming ;) see you for now 20:06:09 <sbn> there's only OpenGFX, NightGFX and zBase as base graphics? 20:08:46 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:27:52 <sbn> Can't change a game that's already started without nuts to a nuts game can you? 20:34:46 <Mothership_Q> nope 20:57:44 <Mothership_Q> hm, for whatever reason I can get grain production to increase, but not livestock 20:57:45 <Mothership_Q> weird 20:58:04 <Mothership_Q> 90 tons grain/ 6 heads livestock lol 20:58:11 <sbn> Image? 21:01:42 <Mothership_Q> http://puu.sh/j6udz/a6a7e3299d.png 21:02:08 <Mothership_Q> fluctuates between 6 and 12 21:02:22 <sbn> ow lol 21:02:31 <sbn> I thoguh 6heads as in 6 big trains or something 21:02:33 <sbn> thought 21:02:54 <Mothership_Q> ah yeah 21:03:23 <sbn> is that a nut train? 21:04:10 <Mothership_Q> yeah, first medium maglev 21:04:26 <sbn> you always play with the X at the station? 21:04:57 <sbn> X crossing 21:05:11 <Mothership_Q> for terminus, yeah 21:05:17 <Mothership_Q> although I would rather roro 21:05:45 <Mothership_Q> if you havent seen the .stable map, its pretty hard to make all the primary stations full roro 21:05:47 <sbn> you're doing something special with this game? 21:05:57 <sbn> I did see it 21:06:05 <sbn> lots and loads of islands 21:06:26 <Mothership_Q> the terrain is the biggest challenge 21:06:33 <Mothership_Q> most people have either TL2 or 3 21:06:51 <sbn> I am playing TL5 in my personal game 21:06:56 <sbn> and CV5 21:07:04 <sbn> but it's not hilly at all so np 21:07:10 <sbn> but I guess my CL could be different 21:07:13 <sbn> CL not CV 21:09:47 <sbn> Mothership_Q maybe it's just a small farm and won't improve much? 21:10:54 <Mothership_Q> well, grain at 90 tons would lead me to believe otherwise 21:10:56 <Mothership_Q> possibly though 21:37:14 *** Jam35 is now known as Jam35_ 21:37:27 *** Mothership_Q has quit IRC 21:40:55 *** Hiddenfunstuff has quit IRC 21:43:42 *** Mothership_Q has joined #openttdcoop 22:01:24 *** StarLite has quit IRC 22:27:33 <Razaekel> !date 22:27:33 <coopserver> Sep 10 2460 23:01:04 *** LSky` has quit IRC