Log for #openttdcoop on 12th November 2015:
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00:00:58  <dwarf> !pw
00:00:58  <coopserver> dwarf: laying
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00:01:45  <coopserver> <dwarf> oh, you are actually using ships, thought you meant wetrainl
00:01:55  <coopserver> <cha0tics> no, ships ;)
00:02:10  <coopserver> <dwarf> cool
00:02:23  <happpy> whont is  Sbahn  is that river thin
00:02:35  <coopserver> <cha0tics> ships don't collide
00:02:55  <happpy> ar k
00:07:25  <coopserver> <dwarf> you could grow brasilia by a lot if you filled up the bay near the center
00:07:59  <coopserver> <cha0tics> feel free
00:08:14  <coopserver> <dwarf> nah, gonna go now, just an idea
00:08:55  <coopserver> <dwarf> same with DC, lots of space could be reclaimed from water
00:09:12  <coopserver> <cha0tics> I feel like damaging the map
00:09:14  <coopserver> <dwarf> I did it with BSM
00:09:38  <coopserver> <cha0tics> why would we need a map then
00:09:43  <coopserver> <dwarf> it looks neat if you do it with ships or wetrails
00:09:51  <coopserver> <cha0tics> just use flat blank scenario
00:10:44  <coopserver> <dwarf> I'm usually against heavy TF, but with towns there's not much choice
00:10:50  <coopserver> <dwarf> I blame the plan :P
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00:13:12  <dwarf> and real cities also expand by filling up shallow bays near the center
00:13:23  <dwarf> manhattan used to be a lot smaller for example
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00:32:32  <happpy> !date
00:32:32  <coopserver> Apr 14 2603
00:46:42  <dwarf> what's up happy?
00:46:56  <dwarf> you never join the coop server
00:47:06  <dwarf> !players
00:47:06  <coopserver> dwarf: There are currently 1 players and 0 spectators, making a total of 1 clients connected
00:47:11  <dwarf> !pw
00:47:11  <coopserver> dwarf: ceased
00:47:22  <happpy> not much  just  playing on my ps2
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00:47:45  <happpy> I join sume times to have a look
00:49:13  <happpy> but not play  most times I play comm and conquer
00:52:10  <happpy> I am not good a nufe to play this won dwarf  so that's u I don't play
00:53:27  <coopserver> <cha0tics> you only get better when you take on difficult challenges, not when you always stick with wat you already know
00:54:02  <happpy> that's true
00:54:47  <coopserver> <cha0tics> and I've been causing some serious chaos ever since I joined in PSG304
00:55:03  <coopserver> <cha0tics> but I've learned a lot by making mistakes
00:55:10  <happpy> I no bbh and LLLRRR and split of the ml
00:55:36  <happpy> true
00:55:44  <coopserver> <cha0tics> just try something new on the coop server
00:56:10  <coopserver> <cha0tics> and whenever you are stuck ask dwarf, he's the one cleaning up my mess all the time, too
00:56:14  <happpy> k  I join  to
00:56:20  <coopserver> <dwarf> yea, in a pax game you can build sbahns
00:56:29  <happpy> I join  tomorrow.
00:56:33  <coopserver> <dwarf> there are no rules there
00:57:25  <happpy> coll  yer I no ther was no rules when I last chek
00:58:38  <coopserver> <cha0tics> what are you doing d?
00:58:55  <coopserver> <dwarf> not much, just added some more hovercats at bsm
00:58:56  <Sylf> !pw
00:58:56  <coopserver> Sylf: errors
00:59:02  <happpy> the own thin  I like to no is that mash or whont the name is
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00:59:29  <happpy> I never  dun won be for
00:59:38  <happpy> hi sylf
00:59:48  <happpy> how things
00:59:58  <coopserver> <cha0tics> hI sYLF
01:00:03  <coopserver> <cha0tics> sry caps
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01:23:32  <happpy> k gn all have fun have a nice night
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02:56:08  <dwarf> !pw
02:56:08  <coopserver> dwarf: misses
02:56:52  <dwarf> !pw
02:56:52  <coopserver> dwarf: notify
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04:07:26  <dwarf> what are you up to sylf?
04:07:40  <coopserver> <Sylf> just finished fixing las vegas
04:07:57  <coopserver> <Sylf> doubled the capacity of sbahn
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04:55:37  <dwarf> noice, we need to expand sbahns so we need to expand ML
05:09:55  <dwarf> !pw
05:09:55  <coopserver> dwarf: cosine
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06:09:14  <dwarf> lol, did you see the shifters I built?
06:09:45  <dwarf> any ideas why at some places they won't work no matter how many backwards pbs I put?
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08:21:41  <cha0tics> !pw
08:21:41  <coopserver> cha0tics: assume
08:22:07  <cha0tics> !pw
08:22:07  <coopserver> cha0tics: assume
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08:35:06  <cha0tics> !pw
08:35:07  <coopserver> cha0tics: widget
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09:32:00  <dwarf> !pw
09:32:00  <coopserver> dwarf: bitnum
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12:30:04  <cha0tics> !pw
12:30:04  <coopserver> cha0tics: supply
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15:01:52  <happpymoblic> !players
15:01:52  <coopserver> happpymoblic: The server is empty, noone is connected. Feel free to remedy this situation
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15:12:53  <cha0tics> !pw
15:12:53  <coopserver> cha0tics: pillar
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15:48:38  <happpy> hi  cha0tics
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17:47:49  <dwarf> !pw
17:47:50  <coopserver> dwarf: maxlen
17:47:57  <happpy> hi  dwarf
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17:48:12  <dwarf> hi
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17:50:27  <happpy> how  things
17:52:27  <coopserver> <dwarf> fine, how r u?
17:52:36  <happpy> good
18:00:28  <happpymoblic> !date
18:00:28  <coopserver> Jun 29 2623
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19:24:22  <dwarf> !pw
19:24:22  <coopserver> dwarf: towers
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19:27:51  <happpy> dwarf  ar u  eney  good  on 4  way  bbh
19:28:21  <dwarf> I could build one, but it takes really long
19:28:35  <dwarf> and my connection is too slow now
19:28:57  <happpy> k  its  just  i  need  a 4 way  bbh
19:29:17  <dwarf> there should be examples in the junctionary
19:29:24  <dwarf> @junctionary
19:29:30  <happpy> i  got  won
19:29:42  <happpy> but  its  not  eney  good
19:29:58  <happpy> or  its  good
19:30:12  <happpy> but  when dun  the 3 ml
19:30:21  <happpy> its  gon rone
19:31:08  <happpy> i see  i  can get  a  sreenshot  ov  it
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20:15:26  <lol> !pw
20:15:26  <coopserver> lol: aspect
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20:18:28  <coopserver> <lol> why do you want to shift so much forced dwarf?
20:18:45  <happpy> hi  lol
20:18:48  <happpy> how  ar u
20:18:51  <coopserver> <lol> fine
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20:18:55  <coopserver> <lol> do you join?
20:19:01  <coopserver> <lol> we can do some fun sbahn
20:19:10  <cha0tics> !pw
20:19:10  <coopserver> cha0tics: aspect
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20:19:27  <coopserver> <lol> hi chaotics
20:19:42  <happpy> i  will  join  lol  just  finsh  of my  net work
20:19:52  <coopserver> <lol> ah
20:20:24  <coopserver> <lol> chaotics you can expand washington in the direction of bbh 17 with some bridges too
20:20:48  <happpy> wb  cha0tics
20:21:04  <coopserver> <cha0tics> hi @ll
20:21:16  <coopserver> <lol> hi
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20:22:35  <dwarf> lol, why don't shifters always work?
20:22:43  <coopserver> <lol> i don't know
20:22:44  <happpy> i  still  doing  my  LLLRRR  lol  got jam  help   so  when i got the  town going i  join
20:22:53  <coopserver> <lol> do you really need the shifters in that place?
20:23:09  <dwarf> how do orderless trains decide to go one way even if there are a bunch of backwards pbs?
20:23:12  <coopserver> <lol> maybe it doesn't have enough penalty
20:23:33  <coopserver> <lol> maybe jams set backwards pbs penalty very low
20:23:33  <dwarf> no matter how many I add
20:23:45  <coopserver> <lol> it only looks 10 tiles ahead
20:23:48  <coopserver> <cha0tics> penalties don't work because the train has no destination and as such not track evaluation is tacking place
20:23:53  <dwarf> some other places it always works
20:24:02  <coopserver> <lol> but you wanted to shift after hubs isn't it?
20:24:07  <dwarf> even with one pbs
20:24:26  <dwarf> eventually, when we have more lines yes
20:24:42  <coopserver> <lol> then you could just let disappear one line
20:24:59  <coopserver> <lol> you have to be carefull with the failsafe though if you do that
20:25:09  <dwarf> if we used the single counter splitter
20:25:14  <coopserver> <lol> lines with score 1.5 have to be expanded first isn't it?
20:25:27  <dwarf> no, there are lines with 2
20:25:42  <coopserver> <lol> ah i see
20:26:11  <dwarf> the shifter does make the merges a lot more efficient, without them trains slowed down a lot and they have terrible acceleration
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20:26:40  <coopserver> <lol> so you want to shift as much as possible trains to one line?
20:27:08  <coopserver> <lol> we have too much trains
20:27:15  <coopserver> <lol> i really need them for sbahn
20:28:01  <cha0tics> !pw
20:28:02  <coopserver> cha0tics: reread
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20:28:09  <dwarf> the 0.5 lines should work with a single line at this load if we used the proper splitting logic, but we don't so I put in the shifters before merges as a temporary improvement
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20:28:42  <dwarf> it doesn't matter where it is with separate counters at the split, the two lines are independent and random
20:29:03  <coopserver> <cha0tics> why are you building shifters at all?
20:29:14  <coopserver> <cha0tics> I thought that balanced traffic was better
20:29:31  <dwarf> because I want to improve merges with minimizing train stopping
20:29:39  <coopserver> <lol> you can shift all trains to one line and let most of them merge a the other line
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20:29:49  <coopserver> <lol> so more chance for fast merging
20:29:59  <dwarf> these trains have terrible acceleration, shifter is a good way to merge without slowdown
20:31:09  <dwarf> I just give them a chance to shift to the prioritized line before the merge
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20:31:48  <lol> dwarf can you set trainlimit?
20:32:11  <dwarf> I'd have to log in
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20:32:39  <cha0tics> just use !rcon
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20:32:55  <coopserver> <lol> can everyone do that?
20:33:00  <dwarf> !rcon set max_trains 1200
20:33:05  <cha0tics> no, only ops
20:33:30  <coopserver> <lol> ah it is done already
20:33:37  <dwarf> if your nick is registered with nickserv and someone gave you op then you can
20:33:39  <coopserver> <lol> thanks
20:34:02  <dwarf> you just have to rejoin the channel so the bot can promote you
20:34:26  <cha0tics> hmmm, trying to figure out why my Cinnamon DE is munching away my memory
20:34:40  <coopserver> <lol> what is cinnamon DE
20:34:42  <coopserver> <lol> ?
20:34:55  <cha0tics> Cinnamom Desktop Environment
20:35:30  <cha0tics> one of the many windows like click interfaces for Linux
20:35:38  <cha0tics> to use leyman terms
20:36:01  <cha0tics> it's actually munching CPU not memory
20:36:43  <coopserver> <lol> default client is missing so much features
20:37:06  <cha0tics> which default client?
20:37:18  <coopserver> <lol> default openttd client
20:38:19  <cha0tics> which one do you normally use instead?
20:38:33  <coopserver> <lol> polyrail
20:38:36  <coopserver> <lol> zoning tool
20:38:48  <coopserver> <lol> shift + order is transfer
20:39:23  <cha0tics> is it compatible with the coop servers?
20:39:29  <coopserver> <lol> no
20:39:34  <coopserver> <lol> it is another version
20:39:37  <coopserver> <lol> 1.5.2
20:39:42  <coopserver> <lol> 1.5.3 rc1
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20:47:47  <coopserver> <lol> how much profit should the ml trains be able to get?
20:47:53  <coopserver> <lol> if they don't stuck in a hub
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20:49:24  <cha0tics> !pw
20:49:24  <coopserver> cha0tics: cblobt
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20:49:51  <coopserver> <cha0tics> let's see if that's better now
20:49:57  <coopserver> <lol> welcome back mister chaos
20:50:25  <coopserver> <cha0tics> why do you assume that I'm male at all?
20:50:34  <coopserver> <lol> just your name
20:50:55  <coopserver> <cha0tics> I guess cha0tics is more gender neutral
20:51:17  <coopserver> <lol> k your right
20:51:35  <coopserver> <cha0tics> but your intuition was actually right
20:51:53  <coopserver> <lol> i think that holds for most people that play openttd
20:52:00  <coopserver> <cha0tics> not wanting to spread false hopes
20:52:07  <coopserver> <lol> lol
20:52:33  <coopserver> <cha0tics> even though I would be quite amazed to be introduced to a woman playing ttd
20:54:29  <coopserver> <lol> search the new stadium
20:54:34  <coopserver> <lol> i bombed the last one
20:55:04  <coopserver> <lol> dwarf i hate how you build ZRH
20:56:32  <dwarf> sorry, feel free to rebuild it
20:56:42  <dwarf> you mea the main station??
20:56:47  <coopserver> <lol> yeah
20:56:53  <dwarf> I didn't build the sbahn
20:56:55  <coopserver> <lol> it is 63 tiles long :(
20:57:14  <dwarf> haha, yea, that was part of my plan
20:57:21  <coopserver> <lol> now i need to get a new spot for my sbahn
20:57:33  <coopserver> <lol> do you think the passengers will like triple transfer?
20:58:58  <coopserver> <lol> i transported 66 % of all passengers
21:00:05  <dwarf> i don't know how ratings are calculated for transfer stations
21:00:20  <coopserver> <lol> it is with amount waiting
21:00:30  <coopserver> <lol> but i transported 16k out of 24 in total
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21:14:57  <coopserver> <lol> what are you working at chaotics?
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21:19:05  <coopserver> <lol> i like the layout of you sbhan at bsm dwarf
21:19:13  <coopserver> <lol> though you cannot get enough out of town
21:23:11  <coopserver> <lol> i leave
21:23:18  <coopserver> <cha0tics> no
21:23:33  <coopserver> <lol> k i stay ;)
21:23:43  <coopserver> <cha0tics> no
21:23:50  <coopserver> <lol> what do you need me for?
21:23:51  <coopserver> <cha0tics> :D
21:24:00  <coopserver> <cha0tics> dunno
21:24:07  <coopserver> <cha0tics> what do you want to be needed for?
21:24:20  <coopserver> <lol> going to bed
21:24:39  <coopserver> <cha0tics> that early?
21:24:47  <coopserver> <lol> yeah
21:24:54  <coopserver> <lol> have to do a lot of things tomorrow
21:25:11  <coopserver> <lol> cu
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21:25:19  <coopserver> <cha0tics> bye
21:25:21  <lol> bye
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