Log for #openttdcoop on 9th December 2016:
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00:00:51  <Lejving> es spiritus sacnti
00:01:21  <BiG_MEECH> know latin eh?
00:01:26  <Lejving> carpe diem
00:02:56  <BiG_MEECH> ya good song
00:03:08  <happpy> !pw
00:03:08  <coopserver> happpy: gaelic
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00:03:41  <BiG_MEECH> GARLIC
00:03:50  <BiG_MEECH> gay lick
00:04:01  <Lejving> and I will strike down upon those who attempt to poision and destroy my brothers
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00:05:01  <BiG_MEECH> happy wants a gay lick from v453
00:05:10  <Lejving> that can be arranged
00:05:32  <BiG_MEECH> biggest gayest lick
00:05:52  <Lejving> not sure about that
00:06:20  <BiG_MEECH> and lejving
00:06:22  <BiG_MEECH> tag team
00:06:43  <Lejving> sure
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00:09:34  <BiG_MEECH> lol
00:10:25  <happpy> f u meech  i am not gay soory
00:10:31  <Lejving> yeah FUCK you BiG_MEECH
00:14:00  <Lejving> happpy, want to start a club with me?
00:14:03  <Lejving> "we who hate BiG_MEECH "
00:14:33  <happpy> year shor
00:14:53  <Lejving> nice
00:17:02  <BiG_MEECH> gay = happy
00:17:30  <happpy> f u meech dint make me call the thunderstorm
00:18:08  <Lejving>
00:18:14  <Lejving> that's what happpy will do to you BiG_MEECH
00:18:22  <Lejving> if you don't BEHAVE
00:22:11  <Lejving> leaked pictures of BiG_MEECHs latest workout
01:14:41  <BiG_MEECH> lol
01:15:07  <BiG_MEECH> this guy
01:16:13  <BiG_MEECH>
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02:15:11  <happpy> gn
02:23:44  <BiG_MEECH> Nite happy
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12:54:07  <Lejving> sup homies
12:56:06  <happpy> hi
13:03:37  <Ethereal_Whisper>
13:03:42  <Ethereal_Whisper> This station is kinda shitty but it works
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13:04:59  <Ethereal_Whisper> It's a main pickup station with overflows (no reverser before the depot though) so I gave the entrance lanes the bridges
13:23:46  <Lejving> can two trains go at the same time Ethereal_Whisper ?
13:24:35  <Ethereal_Whisper> What do you mean?
13:24:44  <Ethereal_Whisper> I.e. enter the station or exit the station?
13:24:52  <Lejving> enter
13:24:54  <Lejving> 2 at the same time
13:26:06  <Ethereal_Whisper> No :(
13:26:08  <Lejving> I'd remove the first 1 row of track from the station and just PBS that shit
13:26:10  <Ethereal_Whisper> I don't know how to fix it
13:26:21  <Lejving> then two can go at the same time
13:26:39  <Ethereal_Whisper> Well yeah, but then it wouldn't be "all to all" anymore
13:26:57  <Lejving> yeah it would?
13:27:09  <Ethereal_Whisper> I'm not sure what you mean then
13:28:00  <Lejving>
13:28:13  <Lejving> and then change entry to PBS
13:29:19  <Ethereal_Whisper> Oh, I read PBS as pre-signal bypass for some reason lol
13:29:48  <Lejving> =)
13:30:17  <Ethereal_Whisper> Got it :)
13:33:51  <Ethereal_Whisper> So the difference between PBS and regular signals (including pre-signals) is that trains waiting at one can reserve a path provided the track they want to use is free, and the train in front of them doesn't have to clear a signal down its own line first
13:35:04  <Ethereal_Whisper> So there's no difference between the pre-signal and PBS version of this, I take it by that understanding
13:35:04  <Ethereal_Whisper>
13:36:48  <Lejving> no diff there no
13:36:59  <Ethereal_Whisper> Cool
13:37:23  <Ethereal_Whisper> I was reluctant to use PBS in the past because I got annoyed by the constant notification of "X train can't find a path to continue"
13:37:27  <Ethereal_Whisper> Then I learned how to turn that off
13:37:28  <Ethereal_Whisper> Lol
13:45:27  <Lejving> =)
13:45:53  <Lejving> only thing I guess is pbs can be a little slower sometimes I think?
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13:46:30  <happpy> !players
13:46:30  <coopserver> happpy: The server is empty, no one is connected. Feel free to remedy this situation
13:47:42  <Ethereal_Whisper> Yeah, like I'll probably still use pre-signals to signal up drop stations
13:48:08  <Ethereal_Whisper> Station design to me is usually a balance between the speed of entrances and exits
13:48:33  <Ethereal_Whisper> So for drop stations I want fast entries, but I can make the exits a little slow (just long enough to not block platforms behind them)
13:48:53  <Ethereal_Whisper> For main pickup stations, I can have slower entries, but I need fast exits
13:49:04  <Ethereal_Whisper> For sideline stations, who cares
13:49:14  <Ethereal_Whisper> That's what overflows are for
13:49:49  <Ethereal_Whisper> I'll try to make the exit distance shorter, but there's a good chance a train exiting a sideline station will have to stop and wait for a bit in order to merge onto the ML
14:39:42  <Ethereal_Whisper> Why are trains so dumb
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14:52:27  <Lejving> I wonder that too Ethereal_Whisper
14:52:27  <Lejving> :D
14:52:45  <Lejving> though the fact that they are dumb is like abused so much
14:55:03  <happpy> he he yep
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15:59:27  <lol> !pw
15:59:28  <coopserver> lol: nbytes
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16:09:19  <lol> @cl
16:09:19  <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also:
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16:10:16  <lol> !pw
16:10:16  <coopserver> lol: cssize
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16:12:37  <Lejving> hey lol
16:12:49  <Lejving> !pw
16:12:49  <coopserver> Lejving: cssize
16:12:53  <coopserver> <lol> hey
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16:14:12  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> how's it going
16:14:16  <coopserver> <lol> great
16:16:12  <BiG_MEECH> lol dood
16:16:35  <Lejving> sup queen meech
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16:23:52  <zxbiohazardzx> !players
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16:23:57  <Lejving> hey bio
16:24:47  <zxbiohazardzx> !password
16:24:47  <coopserver> zxbiohazardzx: vindex
16:24:48  <zxbiohazardzx> sup
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16:26:33  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> I feel like doing another MSH
16:26:40  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> but I can't steal them all lol
16:26:45  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> hahaha
16:26:50  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> we got most of it down
16:26:56  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> how about you do a station (evilgrins)
16:27:03  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> heh ok :D
16:28:25  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i might try one too
16:28:45  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> what's the worst that can happen :;D
16:29:50  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> exactly
16:32:49  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> ill try one as well
16:32:52  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> yeah do it
16:33:39  <happpy> hi
16:33:48  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> sup happy
16:44:14  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> ok one side done
16:44:15  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> phew
16:48:16  <null2__> !pw
16:48:16  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i think mine is actually done (ish) :|
16:48:17  <coopserver> null2__: dimwit
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16:48:31  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> just need to fix LRLR into LL RR
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16:48:45  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> hi be8
16:48:50  <coopserver> <be8f07c4> sup
16:49:06  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> oh you made a muuuuch bigger estation than i did haha
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16:50:16  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> oops forgot overflow
16:53:38  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> done?
16:53:40  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> hmmz
16:53:56  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> looks good
17:02:49  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> and connected
17:03:05  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> should i make 2 stations or 1 combo station for oil/factory?
17:03:16  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> the latter
17:03:35  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> don't know
17:03:36  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> 1 dropoff 1 pickup :P
17:03:38  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> no expert :D:D
17:03:39  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> for i can :)
17:03:43  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> that's what Ido
17:05:10  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> wait the factory doesnt accept paper to goods? thats unexpected for me lol
17:05:30  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> ah nvm
17:05:35  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> they go to printworks obv
17:05:46  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> :D
17:06:17  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> ok so im thinking i want a 2nd station for goods pickup :P
17:06:54  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> 4 stations vs 2 vs 3 :P
17:07:01  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> heh
17:07:05  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> oil drop can be factory drop (technically though)
17:07:07  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> I can't figure out this overflow
17:07:42  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> solved if you have a platform detection
17:08:19  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> oh lol
17:08:20  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> I know
17:08:36  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> there was no path back
17:08:38  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> :D
17:08:47  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> the release for the depot needs to be linked to something right?
17:09:03  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> let's see
17:09:18  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> imma make more drop stations cause i can and then 1 pickup (again cause i can)
17:09:38  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> seems to work fine
17:09:40  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> now
17:10:15  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> hmmz if i add overflow then i might change drop into pickup....
17:10:19  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> so much options, cant choose!
17:11:28  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i mean if i add overflow at those 2 comments it can be a pickup for both
17:11:34  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> then i just need 2 dropoff stations
17:11:38  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> or 1 :P
17:12:01  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> the thing is though if you don't have two 2 stations (pickup & drop)
17:12:11  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> no ill have at least 2
17:12:12  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> if you have more pickup trains than platforms
17:12:14  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> the question is 2 vs 4
17:12:24  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> oh you mean comebine factory+refinery?
17:12:27  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> yeah
17:12:32  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> combine or not is the question
17:12:34  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> that could work I guess
17:12:35  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> 1 drop 1 pick
17:12:38  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> I say combine =)
17:12:52  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> so 1 pickup 1 drop
17:12:55  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> for both
17:13:01  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> hmhm
17:13:05  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> so 2 total
17:13:06  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i got the drop done
17:13:10  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> now the pickup todo
17:13:25  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> it's a big station
17:13:36  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> it serves both oil and factory?
17:13:38  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> so justified
17:13:44  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> yeah that's what I meant
17:13:45  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> =)
17:14:06  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i can rotate 90deg or go ro-ro whats your view on it
17:14:37  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> hmm
17:15:23  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> like that
17:15:24  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> I think
17:15:28  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> yeah but ro-ro or not?
17:15:35  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> so much doubts :P
17:15:39  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> roro
17:15:48  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> space is tight for roro?
17:16:08  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> non-balance exits and not have TL after to clear it faster?
17:16:22  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> so many questions!! :D
17:16:23  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> and overflow cause pickup :P
17:16:25  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i know right
17:16:35  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> the drop is easy, the pick is the pain due to the flow on that
17:16:41  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> you could have two stations that is one
17:16:59  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> yeah i know
17:17:08  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> still needs balancing etc
17:17:25  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> im considering terminus with overflow :P
17:17:29  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> madness to the max
17:17:30  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> do it =)
17:18:20  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> moah platforms cause harder
17:21:45  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> ugh logics are a pain in this
17:22:07  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> :)
17:22:10  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> you should defo check out PZ
17:23:43  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> terminus ro-ro overflow is so much more fighting for space :(
17:25:49  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> ok both overflows seems to be wokring now =)
17:26:12  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> not sure how this works out XD
17:27:34  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> 2 ins, 3 bays, feels low :(
17:27:50  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> 2 in 1 out is also not my best idea i guess
17:27:57  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i might just roro it :(
17:28:19  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i mean i can redo the drop but overflow on that is gonna be a pain
17:28:34  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> ow nvm i think i might know
17:28:41  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> yeah don't change the drop imo
17:28:47  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> fix the pickup
17:28:48  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> =)
17:36:40  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> fuck iron mine sitting there
17:36:56  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> yea
17:39:20  <happpy> how things going
17:39:41  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> bad
17:39:42  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> but ok
17:42:17  <happpy> how the net work going
17:43:57  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> how does this look lej?
17:44:08  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> stupid farm and iron ore are in the way
17:44:09  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> iron less now
17:44:14  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> yeah fuck them =)
17:44:15  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> just the farm for my reverser:P
17:44:16  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> but it looks good
17:45:38  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> happy network is going good but we need a MSH by happpy
17:45:44  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> then it'll be much better
17:47:03  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> ugly reverser but meh
17:47:09  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> it needs 3 right?
17:47:11  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> cant do with 2
17:47:25  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> think so yea
17:48:28  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> this works
17:49:22  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> do we need more do you think?
17:49:26  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> 2 ins 2 outs now
17:49:32  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> can go more but not sure that helps
17:49:34  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> cna start with that
17:49:36  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> also overflows hmmz
17:49:38  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> see what happens
17:49:39  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> =)
17:49:52  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i need to merge them into 1 overflow and then choiced-outflow of it right?
17:50:15  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> don't think you "have" to
17:50:37  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> wouldnt it flaw logics if i didnt
17:50:52  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> aka there is a (very small) chance they are holding with free platforms or vise versa
17:54:59  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> now just need to fix the overflows and im done
17:57:17  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> fck i cant reach reverser for bay detection i think
17:57:31  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> nvm i can
17:58:51  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> hmz i think this should work, hard to check
17:58:59  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> just try it with trains
17:59:17  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> to many tracktypes atm no?
17:59:24  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i need those for logic checks
17:59:27  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> so keep for now
18:01:55  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> the other one is harder given space
18:02:21  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> reverser is almost unreachable
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18:04:41  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> no creativity left :(
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18:04:49  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> hahaha
18:04:54  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i hope i can finish this station
18:04:57  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> i think i got it right
18:23:09  <Maraxus> !pw
18:23:09  <coopserver> Maraxus: remain
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18:23:35  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> solved
18:23:41  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> im done im out
18:23:43  <coopserver> <zxbiohazardzx> cheers
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18:47:00  <Jam35> !pw
18:47:00  <coopserver> Jam35: cosine
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18:54:59  <coopserver> <Jam35> station builders: combine the stations, it will make it easier
18:55:23  <coopserver> <Jam35> you can have one drop station at all locations
18:56:01  <coopserver> <Jam35> you can have one pick at factory & refinery because the produced cargo, goods , is the same from both industries
18:56:21  <coopserver> <Jam35> while bio has made a nice thing there
18:56:32  <coopserver> <Jam35> you could have saved a lot of work
18:58:11  <Jam35> I have combined them that way on purpose :)
18:58:30  <Jam35> and we have two of those so it will not get too busy
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20:05:05  <Ethereal_Whisper> !pw
20:05:05  <coopserver> Ethereal_Whisper: visual
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20:35:30  <happpy> hi
20:35:34  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Hi
20:35:47  <happpy> how things
20:36:00  <Ethereal_Whisper> Not bad, working on a MSH
20:54:50  <Ethereal_Whisper> I finished it
20:54:53  <Ethereal_Whisper> I hope you like it
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21:46:17  <Lejving> I approve Ethereal_Whisper
21:46:18  <Lejving> :D
21:46:24  <Lejving> of your mshg
21:46:42  <Ethereal_Whisper> Cheers
21:46:56  <Ethereal_Whisper> There's one thing I don't like about it, but it was unavoidable with the terrain
21:47:21  <Ethereal_Whisper> Southbound trains entering the hub and making a left turn towards the station have to go through two inner/outer mixers instead of one
21:47:51  <Ethereal_Whisper> A byproduct of that is that northbound trains entering the hub could turn west, then make a U-turn to go back to the station, if they really wanted to
21:47:52  <Ethereal_Whisper> Lol
21:49:09  <Ethereal_Whisper> !pw
21:49:09  <coopserver> Ethereal_Whisper: newsel
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21:49:51  <Ethereal_Whisper> What does FPP A mean by the way
21:50:51  <Lejving> food processing plant
21:50:56  <Ethereal_Whisper> Ah
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21:53:30  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> :)
21:53:38  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> wanna make a msh together?
21:53:49  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Sure, but I have to leave in like 20 minutes
21:53:52  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> me too
21:55:04  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Is it the one just north of BBH 04?
21:55:11  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> !here
21:55:28  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Ok
22:01:55  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> fuark
22:01:59  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Lol
22:03:24  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> blegh
22:04:33  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> ok broad strikes I like =)
22:05:10  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> fk
22:05:25  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> LOL
22:06:13  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> :)
22:07:07  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Hm
22:08:01  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Always bulldozing my shit
22:08:04  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> haha
22:08:05  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> rekt!
22:08:45  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> :(
22:08:46  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> sry
22:08:50  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> RIP
22:11:07  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> I like
22:12:21  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Ah I need to go
22:12:29  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> cool thanks for help
22:12:32  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> I'll type /eth+lejv
22:12:33  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> 0)
22:12:39  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> Help? You blew up everything I built
22:12:41  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> :P
22:12:43  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> sorry!
22:12:44  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> jk lol
22:12:46  <coopserver> <Ethereal_Shiver> See you later :D
22:12:50  <coopserver> <Lejvingbot> cya
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