Log for #openttdcoop on 30th December 2017:
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00:09:09  <coopserver> <Mark> all right we'll do regular voting then
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00:13:00  <PeterV> !version
00:13:01  <coopserver> PeterV: The current (running) version of this Supybot is  The newest version available online is
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00:13:07  <coopserver> PeterV:
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00:18:54  <PeterV> !pw
00:18:54  <coopserver> PeterV: addons
00:19:27  <PeterV> !pw
00:19:27  <coopserver> PeterV: victor
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08:43:55  <V453000> !pw
08:43:55  <coopserver> V453000: occurs
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08:44:10  <coopserver> <V453000> yo
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10:37:16  <Maraxus> !pw
10:37:17  <coopserver> Maraxus: humans
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12:47:10  <loeky> !pw
12:47:10  <coopserver> loeky: finite
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12:50:42  <happpy> hi
12:50:46  <coopserver> <loeky> hey
12:50:58  <happpy> how things
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16:27:46  <Mark> hello
16:27:47  <Mark> !pw
16:27:47  <coopserver> Mark: sparcs
16:27:53  <coopserver> <loeky> hey
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16:30:15  <V453000> yo
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16:31:10  <Arveen> yoyoyo
16:31:12  <coopserver> <V453000> I haz plan :D
16:32:11  <V453000>
16:32:16  <V453000> did his homework
16:32:25  <V453000> I'll write it down, there are many important details
16:32:33  <Arveen> what in the fuck
16:32:37  <V453000> in a few hours :)
16:32:38  <V453000> Arveen: firs
16:33:13  <Arveen> need a gamescript that builds on blender input
16:33:35  <Mark> omg :D
16:34:17  <V453000> there isn't even primaries
16:34:23  <V453000> this is only secondary cargoes
16:34:59  <Arveen> how long did it take to make this
16:35:15  <V453000> few hours
16:35:41  <coopserver> <Mark> so what is the actual plan then? :D
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16:37:45  <Arveen> !pw
16:37:46  <coopserver> Arveen: nfound
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16:38:43  <coopserver> <Ar-to-the-veen> have we decided what engine we use ?
16:39:01  <coopserver> <Ar-to-the-veen> ah nvm
16:39:17  <coopserver> <Ar-to-the-veen> just read the sign mania on logon and thought thats the plan we do heh
16:40:42  <coopserver> <Ar-to-the-veen> what settings have been used to create this or these maps ? - every time i generate a map its either too hilly, too flat, or just looks like ass in general
16:40:45  <coopserver> <Ar-to-the-veen> major ass
16:43:35  <coopserver> <Mark> Ar-to-the-veen: look at the world generation settings
16:44:03  <Arveen> oh, there is something like this ?
16:44:19  <coopserver> <Mark> yea in the settings
16:44:41  <Arveen> nice, i never noticed that
16:45:27  <coopserver> <Mark> V453000: what happened to my map anyway? :D
16:45:39  <coopserver> <Mark> did i use a wrong grf or something?
16:46:26  <happpy> jusr rone train set
16:47:38  <coopserver> <Mark> oh i see, i used an older firs
16:48:51  <happpy> no  u had Japan's train's set  and  its not good for FRIe
16:49:43  <V453000> Mark: you used an old version of FIRS in the save and chaging it didn't work
16:49:54  <V453000> ye
16:59:27  <Mark> yea all right :)
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17:00:04  <V453000> putting little one to sleep, making plan after
17:00:07  <V453000> brb
17:00:13  <V453000> eta 1h
17:00:29  <coopserver> <Mark> :)
17:00:41  <coopserver> <Mark> i'll be shoveling snow for the rest of the morning...
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19:02:24  <Mark> !pw
19:02:24  <coopserver> Mark: signal
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19:03:21  <coopserver> <Mark> ooooooh timer
19:05:34  <coopserver> <Mark> so does every primary have its own supplies pickup?
19:05:41  <coopserver> <Mark> or a waypoint or sth?
19:07:09  <coopserver> <Mark> V453000: i think we should set a rule to connect only primaries if all existing ones are serviced
19:07:23  <coopserver> <Mark> and connect the same amount of every primary
19:07:31  <coopserver> <V453000> that is a rule that I like
19:07:43  <coopserver> <V453000> yeah it's a timer and every primary has it's waypoint that forces it to go through the station
19:07:52  <coopserver> <Mark> ok nice
19:08:19  <coopserver> <V453000> which means that you release a train to each primary at most once every X days to prevent overfeeding and make use of supplies efficiently
19:08:37  <coopserver> <V453000> first with 1 train per 3 months to get first level, then increasing to 5 per 3 months
19:09:01  <coopserver> <Mark> yeah i like it
19:09:04  <coopserver> <V453000> the ES/FS station likely gets big due to this so that is why it is connected as it's own station
19:09:32  <coopserver> <V453000> the placement of other secondaries is kind of random but the links seemed alright in my previewing thingy
19:10:35  <coopserver> <V453000> I'm thinking about even setting it a goal
19:10:50  <coopserver> <V453000> consistently release trains  to every primary for gung-ho production
19:11:19  <loeky> sounds promising
19:17:23  <coopserver> <Mark> getting all primaries gung ho should be easy
19:17:28  <coopserver> <Mark> lets build it i say
19:20:20  <coopserver> <Mark> V453000: you could also have the timer at the primary pickups
19:20:36  <coopserver> <Mark> i mean primary supply drops
19:20:59  <coopserver> <Mark> i guess having them central is cleaner
19:21:10  <coopserver> <V453000> central is better I think
19:21:24  <coopserver> <V453000> because you only pick up what you need, no giant buffers as all trains
19:21:25  <coopserver> <Mark> having a timer right at the drop would make distribution more accurate
19:22:19  <coopserver> <V453000> yes but I don't think you need that kind of accuracy and at least we can force less jams :P
19:22:48  <coopserver> <Mark> yea i think we will have way more supplies than we need anyway
19:22:56  <coopserver> <V453000> yeah most likely
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19:23:10  <coopserver> <V453000> I increased the amount we need in FIRS settings by about 3 times or something like that
19:23:19  <coopserver> <V453000> so it's a little more interesting than normally
19:23:38  <coopserver> <V453000> I don't even know if it's possible to get gung-ho on all :)
19:24:32  <coopserver> <V453000> but if it is, this system should allow it ... of course you could get more ES/FS if you optimize the chains to get absolute maximum out of the industries but that would be hacky and quite boring
19:30:02  <coopserver> <V453000> also the central timer has one important thing
19:30:08  <coopserver> <V453000> it waits for all trains to be ready to trigger
19:30:17  <coopserver> <V453000> that way you make sure you send them when you are ready
19:31:17  <coopserver> <Mark> you want all supply trains picking up at the same time?
19:31:19  <coopserver> <V453000> you could make a check and connect all of the primaries with some detector track but ...
19:31:21  <coopserver> <V453000> yes
19:31:31  <coopserver> <V453000> it'll  be something similar to a SRNW station which makes waves
19:31:40  <coopserver> <Mark> yea
19:31:45  <coopserver> <V453000> the waves could be avoided probably
19:31:46  <coopserver> <Mark> waves wont be that bad though i think
19:31:56  <coopserver> <V453000> but yeah, let's avoid them if we need to
19:32:00  <coopserver> <V453000> they could be sent sequentially
19:32:25  <coopserver> <V453000> also if it's, say, 30 primaries, that's 30 trains every 20-ish days
19:32:34  <coopserver> <V453000> that might almost fill a line with a longer signal gap
19:32:36  <coopserver> <Mark> could even have a second timer to break up the waves in chunks if we need to
19:32:48  <coopserver> <V453000> yeah or of course that
19:32:49  <coopserver> <Mark> but yea i think we'll be fine
19:33:41  <coopserver> <V453000> even if we aren't, it has solutions
19:37:39  <coopserver> <V453000> ok I think that's my plan :)
19:37:58  <coopserver> <Mark> yea i say we build it
19:38:01  <coopserver> <Mark> voting takes too long
19:38:27  <coopserver> <V453000> I'm gone since tomorrow morning so I could build the ES pickup tonight
19:38:43  <coopserver> <V453000> there are almost 20 other hubs and stations to build meanwhile
19:38:50  <coopserver> <V453000> and I'm getting back on 1st so no big deal
19:39:30  <coopserver> <Mark> i wish there were some more people in this timezone
19:39:52  <coopserver> <V453000> what time is it for you now? mignight something?
19:40:03  <coopserver> <Mark> no 11.40 am
19:40:22  <coopserver> <V453000> oh yeah right
19:40:33  <coopserver> <Mark> about 9 hrs difference with europe
19:40:37  <coopserver> <Mark> it sucks
19:40:39  <coopserver> <V453000> well, move back to the proper time zone :P
19:40:47  <coopserver> <Mark> yea i will :P
19:40:53  <coopserver> <V453000> oh, really? :D
19:40:55  <coopserver> <Mark> few more weeks in this frozen shithole :P
19:41:07  <coopserver> <V453000> nice, you've been there for a while eh?
19:41:15  <coopserver> <Mark> a year
19:41:24  <coopserver> <V453000> ye
19:42:06  <coopserver> <V453000> ok let's build then ? :
19:42:08  <coopserver> <V453000> :D
19:42:15  <coopserver> <V453000> democratic AF
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19:42:25  <coopserver> <Mark> absolutely
19:42:46  <Mark> loeky:
19:42:51  <coopserver> <loeky> yeah
19:42:59  <coopserver> <Mark> lets build v's plan?
19:43:13  <coopserver> <V453000> Mark: can you lay out the ML based on the map layout/picture I shared?
19:43:17  <coopserver> <V453000>
19:43:22  <coopserver> <V453000> it's pretty clear what is where
19:43:23  <coopserver> <Mark> yes sir
19:43:26  <coopserver> <V453000> you can adap it as you like
19:44:56  <coopserver> <V453000> ok so how many primaries are there even
19:44:59  <coopserver> <V453000> :D
19:45:02  <coopserver> <Mark> not a lot
19:45:18  <coopserver> <V453000> btw this is helpful
19:45:33  <coopserver> <loeky> we are only gonig to have 1 esfs tation
19:45:39  <coopserver> <V453000> oh yeah it's just 6 ES things
19:45:52  <coopserver> <Mark> yea
19:45:58  <coopserver> <Mark> yes loeky
19:46:01  <coopserver> <V453000> ok I'll make a station for 24 for now
19:46:34  <coopserver> <V453000> 18 probably fine for now
19:46:56  <coopserver> <Mark> i think so
19:47:18  <coopserver> <Mark> 18 primaries producing 1k/month will be quite a bit of traffic
19:47:25  <coopserver> <V453000> ye
19:47:33  <Arveen> we skip voting and go directly to building ?
19:47:39  <coopserver> <V453000> yes Arveen
19:47:43  <coopserver> <Mark> pretty much
19:47:49  <coopserver> <V453000> member assholes and their democracy
19:47:51  <Arveen> V plan too gud ?
19:48:24  <coopserver> <V453000> come see for yourself :)
19:48:37  <Arveen> I'm in spec mode
19:48:50  <coopserver> <V453000> ah
19:48:56  <Arveen> for a couple of hours heh
19:48:59  <coopserver> <V453000> well then :P
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19:54:54  <PeterV> !players
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19:55:14  <PeterV> !pw
19:55:14  <coopserver> PeterV: partly
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19:56:04  <coopserver> <V453000> can we move BBH 07 and 09 further away from the ES/FS complex?
19:56:10  <coopserver> <V453000> it will be the biggest station
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19:57:18  <coopserver> <Mark> there you go sir
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20:00:28  <coopserver> <Mark> i moved basic oxygen
20:00:37  <coopserver> <Mark> a little bit
20:01:15  <coopserver> <V453000> was meant to fit somewhere around Minnpool
20:01:19  <coopserver> <V453000> but anything similar is fine
20:01:26  <coopserver> <V453000> yeah
20:01:33  <coopserver> <Mark> yea i didnt want it too close to bbh02
20:01:34  <coopserver> <V453000> in fact I was thinking about an induetry there too
20:01:37  <coopserver> <V453000> good
20:01:50  <coopserver> <Mark> and islands are cute
20:02:00  <coopserver> <V453000> yes
20:07:48  <PeterV> hi
20:07:51  <coopserver> <V453000> heyo
20:08:21  <PeterV> Stage is building already?
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20:08:36  <V453000> @stage BUuilding
20:08:36  *** Webster changes topic to "Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG#329 (r27951) | STAGE: BUuilding | | Help for newcomers: | Other game channels: #openttdcoop.stable , | TS3: | Enjoy your stay!"
20:08:44  <V453000> @stage Building
20:08:44  *** Webster changes topic to "Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG#329 (r27951) | STAGE: Building | | Help for newcomers: | Other game channels: #openttdcoop.stable , | TS3: | Enjoy your stay!"
20:08:56  <PeterV> cool i was cinfused :D
20:08:59  <PeterV> thanks
20:10:14  <coopserver> <Mark> all right gonna crap out a few BBHs
20:10:19  <coopserver> <V453000> :)
20:10:34  <coopserver> <V453000> I'm learning how much of a bad idea was this ES station
20:10:47  <coopserver> <loeky> (-:
20:10:48  <coopserver> <Mark> what about it
20:10:58  <coopserver> <V453000> it's fine, just a lot of detections and shit
20:11:11  <coopserver> <Mark> for sure :D
20:13:58  <coopserver> <V453000> might not be that terrible
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20:33:58  <Mark> bbl
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20:41:21  <PeterV> !pw
20:41:21  <coopserver> PeterV: addref
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20:58:27  <Maraxus> !pw
20:58:27  <coopserver> Maraxus: damage
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20:59:31  <coopserver> <V453000> heyo
20:59:43  <coopserver> <Maraxus> hi
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21:04:05  <Arveen> white PURR is new with 004 ?
21:04:18  <coopserver> <V453000> was there before
21:04:26  <coopserver> <Ar-to-the-veen> ah, never seen it
21:04:43  <PeterV> i try to build on bbh04
21:04:48  <coopserver> <V453000> well the pre-0.0.4 was different
21:04:49  <PeterV> wrong color?
21:05:12  <PeterV> oh never mind i miss readed it :D
21:05:20  <coopserver> <V453000> :)
21:22:03  <coopserver> <V453000> that feeling when the overflow is the most complicated part of the station
21:22:14  <coopserver> <V453000> gg
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21:25:03  <coopserver> <V453000> hm
21:27:12  <PeterV> building with touchpad is tkaes sooooo long....
21:27:22  <coopserver> <V453000> oh yeah
21:27:28  <coopserver> <V453000> did that a couple times
21:30:36  <coopserver> <V453000> well the ES station should be ready to go
21:33:30  <coopserver> <V453000> FS station will be the same but smaller
21:33:44  <coopserver> <V453000> eh, could sinmplify
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21:51:20  <Imutrainfolks> !pw
21:51:20  <coopserver> Imutrainfolks: entity
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21:54:23  <PeterV> I tried build bbh with minimal terraforming, looks really ugly :D
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22:01:39  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> !rules
22:01:42  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> oh yeah
22:01:43  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> xd
22:02:19  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> V453000 could I build BBH03?
22:03:14  <coopserver> <loeky> sure only buid the track for it
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22:03:29  <coopserver> <V453000> you could :)
22:03:34  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> yay
22:03:52  <coopserver> <V453000> you can build anything you want really, if it's broken we can always fix it
22:03:57  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> xd
22:04:06  <coopserver> <V453000> seeing mistakes is good, it makes people learn
22:04:13  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> k
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22:14:55  <PeterV> !pw
22:14:55  <coopserver> PeterV: judged
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22:18:53  <coopserver> <loeky> what does a staton need? only overflow
22:19:03  <coopserver> <V453000> which one?
22:19:18  <coopserver> <loeky> lime kiln
22:19:46  <coopserver> <V453000> yeah, drop and a p ickup with overflow
22:20:38  <coopserver> <V453000> if you need to move the station left of Chuhattan but keep the hub position, it's fine
22:20:43  <coopserver> <V453000> space is tight there
22:22:43  <coopserver> <loeky> depends on number of platform dont need that many or do we
22:22:59  <coopserver> <V453000> nah probably not many
22:23:02  <coopserver> <V453000> can always expand :P
22:33:34  <coopserver> <V453000> gnight
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22:33:43  <coopserver> <loeky> gn
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23:23:01  <coopserver> <loeky> how is it going
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23:23:08  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> lol made it to big
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23:51:11  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> Did I do good?
23:51:22  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> No prio because they have equal prio
23:52:13  <coopserver> <loeky> true but many times we use realy short prios
23:52:22  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> for what?
23:53:05  <coopserver> <loeky> see bbh 02
23:53:22  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> oh
23:53:25  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> interesting
23:55:57  <coopserver> <loeky> there is no need for path signal on these splits
23:56:42  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> true, but it better habit to keep then lose ;)
23:58:05  <coopserver> <loeky> no path signales can be un pridictiable
23:58:42  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> there is only two blocks, and only one can be used at a time..
23:58:56  <coopserver> <Imutrainfolks> there is one block actually
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