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00:26:48 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.dev 00:26:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20|LT 00:31:26 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 03:42:43 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 07:40:49 *** gpsoft has joined #openttdcoop.dev 08:06:56 *** NukeBuster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 08:56:18 <Tycoon> *** Ploes joined the game 08:56:52 <Tycoon> *** Ploes has left the game (leaving) 08:56:52 <Tycoon> *** Ploes has left the game (connection lost) 09:18:40 *** gpsoft has quit IRC 11:04:57 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:04:57 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 11:20:08 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:26:49 <Hirundo> !playercount 11:26:50 <Tycoon> Hirundo: Number of players: 0 11:31:36 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:31:36 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 11:47:45 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 11:48:14 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:48:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 12:26:02 *** Booth is now known as Guest1392 12:48:11 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Do not pay sharing fees if the vehicle owner cannot afford them. This prevents exploits. (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/a36b768990d0 12:50:39 <SmatZ> coo, I can use others' tracks for free :) 12:50:41 <SmatZ> l 13:02:35 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 13:06:57 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 13:08:43 *** combuster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 13:08:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o combuster 13:10:37 *** [alt]buster has quit IRC 13:11:25 <Hirundo> the track owner will be warned with a news message, though 13:15:56 <Ammler> SmatZ: better idea? 13:22:58 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 13:22:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 13:27:47 *** combuster has quit IRC 13:40:10 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Do not use the same variable name twice and expect everything to work as it should. (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/06e52f560ebb 13:40:17 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Enumify the line numbers of the sharing window. (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/600c697fd6e6 13:40:23 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Reorganize SharingSettingsWindow::OnClick. (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/220aa3c1b1f4 13:46:10 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Simplify ShouldDrawLine() in the sharing window. (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/0c863c5741bc 13:46:21 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 13:49:10 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Remove hard-coded string left/right offsets. (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/96a7a7df4352 13:50:37 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 13:51:39 *** combuster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 13:51:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o combuster 13:52:12 <Brot> [IS2 log] (svn r16259) -Codechange: Added nested widgets to the load and save dialogue windows. (alberth) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/520561b5c890 13:52:18 <Brot> [IS2 log] (svn r16260) -Codechange: Add Vehicle::IncrementOrderIndex() to deduplicate some code. (frosch) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/1cd198d2c7c9 13:52:24 <Brot> [IS2 log] Merge from trunk (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/f7dc61ddbe33 13:55:27 *** [alt]buster has quit IRC 13:59:42 *** combuster has quit IRC 14:09:26 <SmatZ> Ammler: this doesn't prevent "exploit" by borrowing millions and then spending them 14:10:00 <Ammler> how do you borrow millions? 14:10:11 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Add some padding around the on/off and arrow buttons in the sharing window. (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/5805734f03e1 14:12:08 <SmatZ> Ammler: from bank? 14:12:17 <SmatZ> in the Company finances window? 14:12:52 <Hirundo> In general the bank only allows a couple of hundred thousand pounds, inflation-adjusted 14:14:10 <Ammler> well, IS will never be able to run without rules, like trunk won't 14:14:56 <Hirundo> SmatZ: It could be changed to become similar to the 'give money to xxx' function 14:15:16 <Hirundo> i.e. only allow fees to be paid above (money - loan) 14:16:14 *** XeryusTC is now known as prozone 14:16:23 *** prozone is now known as XeryusTC 14:19:28 <Ammler> Hirundo: is it possible to "save" the dept 14:19:37 <Ammler> so it could paid, when available? 14:21:14 <Hirundo> possible: yes; worth the work and complication: questionable 14:21:53 <Ammler> well, possible is everything 14:22:38 <Ammler> the problem is just, if you also include (money-loan), you can transport for free. 14:47:03 <Hirundo> companies can just choose not to allow you until you have enough money? 14:48:12 <Hirundo> or introduce a new patch setting? 14:49:19 <planetmaker> moin 14:50:18 <planetmaker> Hirundo: I guess it will help this patch in the eyes of a lot of people, if we have an option like "allow sharing only to companies with value > xxx" 14:50:45 <Hirundo> I would not use company value for this purpose 14:50:49 <planetmaker> default = -1 == allow always 14:51:00 <planetmaker> What would you use? 14:51:15 <Hirundo> money or (money - loan) 14:51:16 <planetmaker> it directly relates to being able to pay :) 14:51:29 <Hirundo> company value isn't measured properly 14:51:41 <planetmaker> well. ok. money - load then :) 14:51:45 <Hirundo> I can increase it by e.g. building pointless road stops 14:51:56 <Hirundo> + it is expensive to calculate and, IIRC, not cached 14:52:12 <planetmaker> Hirundo: but cash is deducted and a road stop built -> no gain - or do I err on that? 14:52:34 <Hirundo> road stop is worth far more in the company value calculation 14:52:40 <planetmaker> oh, ok 14:53:10 <Ammler> it doesn't need a setting, you know, you don't get money, if the other company is in dept, still. So you if you won't let him run for free, don't share. 14:53:14 <planetmaker> well. My main point is not "company value" but "need to have option..." :) 14:53:53 <Ammler> -you 15:01:09 <Hirundo> -> Make a decision and I shall implement it. 15:01:20 <planetmaker> :O 15:02:23 <planetmaker> It's mostly your patch :) But if company value isn't cashed... money - loan is a fine thing 15:03:09 <planetmaker> Also it was my thought that company value was linear in the price of things and not doing some fancy "adjustments". So another point for your proposal. 15:03:52 <planetmaker> Though I'd like this option to be configurable 15:04:37 <Hirundo> Your wish is my command :P 15:04:45 <planetmaker> he... 15:04:45 <Hirundo> An advanced setting seems wise indeed 15:05:16 <planetmaker> yet another... :P 15:05:42 <Hirundo> _settings_game.sharing._yet_another_advanced_setting ? 15:06:16 <planetmaker> sound exactly like what we want :P 15:06:33 <planetmaker> or maybe _settings_game.sharing.new_advanced_setting 15:06:56 <planetmaker> it would open the opportunity for ...sharing.even_newer_advanced_setting later on 15:08:13 <planetmaker> the question is: how is that money called: cash - loan? 15:08:42 <Hirundo> allow_payment_in_debt is the new setting name 15:10:08 <Hirundo> edit: "payment_in_debt" is shorte 15:14:16 *** Guest1392 is now known as Booth 15:15:38 <Ammler> well, I like settings. 15:17:11 <Ammler> but that settings also allow to go to minus like before your last changeset? 15:19:17 <Ammler> so you can still play a cooperative sharing game. 15:20:12 <planetmaker> Ammler: if disabled nothing changes 15:20:44 <planetmaker> if enabled, you'll have to start differently as each company has to make some money before they can use other company's infrastructure. 15:21:52 <Ammler> they can use it, but they wont pay 15:21:55 <Ammler> ' 15:22:44 <Ammler> one usage of IS is to split infra and operating 15:23:38 <planetmaker> dunno. What does Hirundo think? 15:23:46 <planetmaker> Ternary logic :P 15:24:03 * Hirundo fails to see the problem 15:25:03 <planetmaker> Hirundo: no problem. Just a decision: disallow sharing, if in debt, or just make it free for that company :) 15:25:20 <Hirundo> currently it is made free 15:25:25 <planetmaker> ok. Good. 15:25:39 <Hirundo> the decision is left to the infra owner whether he wants to allow that or not 15:25:48 <planetmaker> yep, true 15:26:01 <planetmaker> disallow isn't needed. 15:27:21 * Hirundo pushed 15:28:26 * planetmaker pulls 15:28:41 <planetmaker> :O 15:28:45 <planetmaker> many updates. 15:28:53 <planetmaker> ah.. trunk merges 15:29:10 <Brot> [IS2 log] [IS] Add a setting to allow / disallow payment of sharing fees by companies in debt (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/bf341533be52 15:31:04 <Ammler> but Hirundo is the setting now splitted for money < 0 or money-loan <0 ? 15:31:16 <Hirundo> no 15:31:31 <Ammler> which one? 15:31:40 <Hirundo> money-loan 15:32:10 <Ammler> that is fine, imo. 15:47:26 *** Hirundo_ has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:50:45 *** Booth has quit IRC 15:52:57 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 15:53:03 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 16:39:43 *** Booth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 16:58:31 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 17:19:56 *** davis` has quit IRC 17:54:33 *** Booth has quit IRC 18:12:49 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 18:12:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 18:19:10 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 18:22:58 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 18:30:29 *** combuster has joined #openttdcoop.dev 18:30:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o combuster 18:34:13 *** [alt]buster has quit IRC 19:18:05 *** Booth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 19:35:03 <Tycoon> *** FHS joined the game 19:41:20 <Tycoon> *** FHS has left the game (leaving) 19:41:20 <Tycoon> *** FHS has left the game (connection lost) 19:52:57 <Booth> anyhting actualy going no here? 20:01:22 <Tycoon> *** Combuster joined the game 20:01:34 <combuster> looks like there is...:) 20:02:14 <Tycoon> <Combuster> well, maybe 20:02:35 <Tycoon> *** Matt joined the game 20:03:48 <Tycoon> *** Matt has left the game (leaving) 20:03:48 <Tycoon> *** Matt has left the game (connection lost) 20:03:52 <Tycoon> <Combuster> Hi matt 20:03:58 <Tycoon> <Combuster> ...Bye matt... 20:04:08 <Tycoon> <Combuster> :( 20:06:26 <Tycoon> *** Combuster has left the game (leaving) 20:06:26 <Tycoon> *** Combuster has left the game (connection lost) 20:09:51 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth joined the game 20:11:41 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 20:11:41 <Tycoon> *** Chris Booth has left the game (connection lost) 21:36:15 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1436 21:36:17 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 21:36:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 21:39:58 *** Guest1436 has quit IRC 22:02:52 *** combuster has quit IRC 22:49:50 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.dev 22:49:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20|LT 22:49:56 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC