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08:38:06  <fonsinchen> still no one interested in cargodist :(
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08:58:49  <Ammler> hmm, I am... but the time is bad :-(
09:27:15  <Ammler> !reload config
09:27:15  <Tycoon> Ammler: config reloaded
09:27:19  <Ammler> !url
09:27:19  <Tycoon> Ammler:
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09:28:53  <fonsinchen> I built some things.
09:34:53  <fonsinchen> BTW, symmetric demand for armoured won't work in tropical.
09:35:29  <fonsinchen> oh, nice. You have fixed the links.
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12:18:31  <fonsinchen> Hey Booth. Want to play some cargodist?
12:19:03  <Booth> i will download it yeah
12:19:09  <Booth> !download win32
12:19:09  <Tycoon> Booth:
12:21:14  <Booth> !ip
12:21:14  <Tycoon> Booth:
12:21:53  <Booth> !version
12:21:53  <Tycoon> Booth: Autopilot AP+ 3.0 Beta (r695M)
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12:25:23  <Booth> i cant get the right version
12:25:50  <fonsinchen> !dl
12:25:50  <Tycoon> fonsinchen: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
12:25:58  <fonsinchen> !dl win32
12:25:58  <Tycoon> fonsinchen:
12:26:48  <fonsinchen> this one should be correct.
12:27:03  <fonsinchen> What happens if you try?
12:28:19  <Booth> i get the correct version but has an M on the end
12:28:28  <Booth> to indicate it has been modified
12:28:31  <Booth> but it hasnt
12:29:07  <Booth> g714743faM cargodist
12:29:18  <Booth> is the version that link gives you
12:30:39  <Booth> !dl windows 32
12:30:39  <Tycoon> Booth: unknown option "windows"
12:30:47  <Booth> !dl win 32
12:30:48  <Tycoon> Booth: unknown option "win"
12:30:51  <Booth> !dl win32
12:30:51  <Tycoon> Booth:
12:32:25  <fonsinchen> oh my, what have they done there ....
12:32:38  <Booth> i dont know
12:32:45  <Booth> fucked it up
12:32:48  <Booth> !dl
12:32:48  <Tycoon> Booth: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
12:32:54  <Booth> !dl lin
12:32:55  <Tycoon> Booth:
12:33:17  <fonsinchen> try this one:
12:33:27  <Booth> i am going to play it on my ubuntu
12:33:29  <Booth> 1 sec
12:34:52  <Ammler> hmm
12:35:02  <Ammler> did I compile wrong version?
12:35:35  <Ammler> I am very unfamiliar with git, thought, it is head.
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12:35:52  <Ammler> oh M
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12:36:11  <Ammler> hmm
12:36:17  <Booth> !dl
12:36:17  <Tycoon> Booth: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
12:36:22  <Booth> !dl lin
12:36:22  <Tycoon> Booth:
12:36:27  <fonsinchen> The server version is correct
12:36:43  <fonsinchen> the compile farm fucked up the windows build and made an "M" version
12:36:49  <Ammler> well, it should be like the compile farm version
12:37:13  <Booth> well i am on ubuntu now
12:37:14  <fonsinchen> perhaps someone could try my own windows build at and tell me if it works?
12:37:14  <Ammler> how does that happen?
12:37:42  <fonsinchen> I don't know the compile farm. But obviously something is wrong there.
12:37:48  <Ammler> well, didn't you use it?
12:38:01  <fonsinchen> I instructed TrueBrain to build
12:38:11  <fonsinchen> I don't have access to the compile farm myself
12:38:23  <Ammler> no
12:38:30  <Ammler> I meant your windows build :P
12:38:37  <fonsinchen> I did it in a VM
12:38:54  <fonsinchen> OK, I can boot the VM and try myself ... second
12:39:23  <Ammler> hmm, why do you compile a windows version, when you don't need it self?
12:39:33  <fonsinchen> so that other people can play
12:39:34  <Ammler> isn't the compile farm for?
12:39:50  <fonsinchen> I can't make TrueBrain compile a new version every day
12:40:00  <fonsinchen> He'll be quite annoyed in no time.
12:40:01  <Ammler> no, you shouldn't
12:40:15  <Ammler> one per month is fine :-)
12:40:40  <fonsinchen> I think I release new versions more often than TrueBrain would tolerate so I build myself
12:41:02  <Ammler> well, if the ubuntu version has a M too, I append the M to our server and it should be fine
12:41:15  <fonsinchen> Hrm
12:41:16  <fonsinchen> wait
12:41:50  <Ammler> didn't you see the "release" patch I once posted for you?
12:42:43  <fonsinchen> OK, for some reason my version has an "M" too
12:42:53  <Ammler> he
12:43:05  <fonsinchen> no ... which patch?
12:43:20  <Ammler> the same, rubidium uses for RC releases
12:44:46  <fonsinchen> I still don't know what you mean.
12:45:38  <Ammler>
12:46:15  <Ammler> IS2 uses that too, before we ask for compile
12:46:31  <Ammler> soe we get nicer version strings
12:47:29  <Ammler> like "IS2.0-beta3"
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12:48:32  <fonsinchen> OK, nice to know. Next time I'll apply it before
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12:50:43  <Booth> erm is there anyway to change it
12:50:55  <Booth> my laptop is to slow to run my VM of ubuntu
12:52:17  <fonsinchen> I'm compiling a new version in my Windows VM
12:52:23  <fonsinchen> but that is slow, too
12:52:30  <fonsinchen> ~10 Minutes
12:52:52  <Ammler> fonsinchen: just be sure to use the RC patch not stable release patch ;-)
12:53:00  <Ammler> as you would then disable asserts and such
12:53:26  <fonsinchen> I'm compiling a version of the current release, but hopefully without "M"
12:54:59  <Ammler> example of IS:
12:55:37  <Ammler> Booth: does the ubuntu version have a M, too?
12:55:58  <Booth> i didnt install it
12:56:07  <Booth> ubuntu was unbarable slow
12:56:20  <Booth> took a life time to open firefox
12:56:25  <Booth> and then kept crashing
12:58:16  <Booth> is it possible to merge cargodist and IS2?
12:59:49  <Hirundo> It is certainly possible, but I have no idea how difficult it would be
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13:01:11  <Ammler> well, first I would like to have a game with distro :-)
13:02:13  <Ammler> Hirundo: I once applied the distro patch, it worked, compilation failed ...
13:03:22  <Ammler> we had the opposite discussion almost a year agao with celestar
13:05:00  <Hirundo> who is celestar ? ;)
13:05:38  <fonsinchen> OK, try this one again:
13:05:38  <Booth> cargodest developer :p
13:05:53  <fonsinchen> It shouldn't have an "M" anymore
13:06:23  <fonsinchen> That "test" guy was me using that binary.
13:06:36  <Hirundo> IS2 and cargodist could be merged pretty easily, methinks.
13:06:47  <Hirundo> ^^ which does *not* mean that I will do it, though
13:06:51  <Booth> well it still has the M
13:06:59  <Booth> why not?
13:07:11  <Ammler> I apply the M to the server
13:07:11  <Booth> i think it could be great fun IS cargodist
13:07:15  <fonsinchen> OK, I don't get that ...
13:07:50  <Ammler> Booth: how is the exact version string?
13:07:55  <Ammler> !revision
13:07:55  <Tycoon> Ammler: Game version is g714743fa-cargodist
13:08:02  <Ammler> this with a M at the end?
13:08:06  <Booth> g714743faM-cargodist
13:08:49  <Booth> its a shame there isnt a bananas sorta thing for game versions loaded on servers
13:09:26  <Ammler> menno
13:09:30  <Ammler> if I add the M
13:09:40  <Ammler> the !dl link doesn't work anymore
13:10:19  <fonsinchen> It doesn't have the M for me
13:10:31  <fonsinchen> Are you sure you downloaded the correct version?
13:10:44  <Booth> its the version you gave me
13:10:48  <Tycoon> Server closed down by admin
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13:10:55  <Booth> fonsinchen>	OK, try this one again:
13:11:05  <fonsinchen> yes
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13:11:11  <Tycoon> Loading default savegame
13:11:11  <Tycoon> Server is running version: g714743faM-cargodist
13:11:18  <fonsinchen> I just downloaded and started it and it doesn't have M
13:11:24  <fonsinchen> whatever...
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13:11:57  <Ammler> fonsinchen: ?
13:12:07  <Ammler> now what is the version?
13:12:31  <Booth> !dl
13:12:31  <Tycoon> Booth: !dl lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
13:13:44  <fonsinchen> Now we're all playing with "M", ok
13:14:42  <Ammler> !dl lin
13:14:42  <Tycoon> Ammler:
13:16:08  <Ammler> @topic set 2 g714743faM-cargodist
13:16:08  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop patch test channel - Cargo Destination | g714743faM-cargodist | STAGE: testing |  Binaries: !download |"
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13:17:48  <Ammler> !setdef
13:17:48  <Tycoon> *** Ammler has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns and set path_backoff_interval to 1
13:18:12  <Ammler> !rcon set vehicle_breakdowns
13:18:12  <Tycoon> Ammler: Current value for 'vehicle_breakdowns' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 2)
13:18:15  <Ammler> !rcon set vehicle_breakdowns 0
13:19:26  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> Perhaps you should also set the demand function for armoured to antisymmetric
13:19:42  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> could you do that, please?
13:19:54  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I have no idea about the settings :-)
13:20:10  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> It's in the settings GUI, under link graph
13:20:20  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> mäh, no gui in MP games :P
13:20:32  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> ah, ok
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13:20:42  <Ammler> fonsinchen: use !rcon here
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13:21:59  <Ammler> "Link Graph"?
13:22:35  <fonsinchen> !rcon set linkgraph.demand_armoured 1
13:22:35  <Tycoon> fonsinchen: you are not allowed to use !rcon
13:22:46  <fonsinchen> Uh, I can't
13:22:51  <Ammler> @voice fonsinchen
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13:23:00  <fonsinchen> !rcon set linkgraph.demand_armoured 1
13:23:28  <fonsinchen> OK, looks good
13:23:57  <fonsinchen> it's in linkgraph because demands are calculated using the linkgraph.
13:39:15  <Ammler> setup a little regio with airport at north
13:39:21  <Ammler> but somehow the train is still empty
13:39:31  <fonsinchen> Which train?
13:39:53  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> at Sabadell
13:40:07  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> oh, that was maybe the first run
13:40:07  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> no airplanes
13:40:09  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> looks better now
13:40:54  <fonsinchen> Everyone going via Sabadell Airport there. If the train goes somewhere else it won't pick up anyone.
13:41:00  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i set up a new train line
13:41:08  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> at sant marti
13:56:00  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> these trains are so slow
13:56:24  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> we started a bit too early ;-)
13:57:05  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> and with original train set
13:57:23  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, that is usual on first test game
13:58:06  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hmm
13:58:33  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> possible to see the target of loaded cargo?
13:58:46  <fonsinchen> No
13:58:57  <fonsinchen> You can only see it in the station
14:02:34  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> for me, this gets to complicated
14:02:48  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> it is rather
14:02:50  <fonsinchen> already seen the smallmap?
14:02:56  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i never realy liked cardo dest
14:03:24  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> oh, zoom
14:03:31  <fonsinchen> The smallmap provides a nice overview on which links are jammed.
14:03:42  <fonsinchen> Just look for the places with lots of red
14:03:56  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ah
14:04:29  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> minimap zoom could support mouse wheel
14:05:16  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> all airports are red
14:05:49  <fonsinchen> Yes, I'm working on the mousewheel thing
14:06:10  <fonsinchen> You're probably in the wrong mode, Ammler
14:06:17  <fonsinchen> select the stats view
14:06:41  <fonsinchen> and then disable "show town names"
14:06:56  <fonsinchen> (I will make those things more obvious in later versions ...)
14:07:20  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ah nice
14:18:57  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i am off now
14:19:05  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ok
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14:20:59  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> looks very stable
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14:21:36  <fonsinchen> Well, you haven't done anything too difficult yet
14:22:00  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> yeah, only pax
14:22:54  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I would need to read the wiki :-)
14:23:28  <fonsinchen> Why?
14:24:00  <fonsinchen> Just try with cargo. You'll see what happens :)
14:24:02  <Ammler> just to understand the adv. settings :-)
14:24:48  <fonsinchen> Yes, if you want to understand them you should read it. But for the game you are running everything is fine.
14:25:13  <Ammler> do you have "hidden" settings?
14:25:18  <fonsinchen> no
14:25:24  <Ammler> or console commands?
14:25:30  <fonsinchen> no
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14:25:43  <fonsinchen> everything you can tweak is in the settings GUI
14:26:11  <fonsinchen> I'm thinking about hiding some stuff. For example the moving average unit.
14:26:13  <Ammler> well, thanks to the very stable trunk,
14:26:26  <Ammler> we have no buggy patches, either :-)
14:26:54  <Ammler> cargodest failed very much on such things
14:27:48  <Ammler> sadly, celestar isn't around
14:28:17  <Ammler> I guess, he would like your patch.
14:29:30  <fonsinchen> I don't know. He showed up some weeks ago and we discussed it. He didn't sound too enthusiastic, but he didn't completely dismiss it either.
14:29:52  <Ammler> well, because of lack of time.
14:30:13  <fonsinchen> He thinks that I should rather have adopted his approach and implemented balancing on top.
14:32:03  <Ammler> did you make completely independent?
14:32:31  <fonsinchen> No, I took large parts of the smallmap from his patch
14:32:37  <Ammler> independency of boost is a good thing.
14:33:02  <fonsinchen> but the core algorithm of my patch is completely different from his, so I had to do that independently.
14:33:21  <fonsinchen> And I didn't like the station GUI of cargodest so I wrote my own.
14:34:12  <Ammler> but you might be able to use a prt for train gui?
14:34:21  <Ammler> vehicle guis I meant
14:35:28  <fonsinchen> I might. But I think I won't change the vehicle GUI for now.
14:36:04  <fonsinchen> It can be done later and it isn't essential.
14:37:44  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, If I see a full train, I would like to know, where the most pax will go
14:38:00  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> so I could setup a backup train for that target
14:39:11  <fonsinchen> Unfortunately the cargo of the train you are watching is completely independent from the cargo the next train will take. Cargo packets are implicitly sorted at the station as rejected cargo gets appended to the cargolist.
14:40:35  <fonsinchen> So, implementing a destination view in the vehicle GUI won't help a lot and will probably give me lots of false bug reports. I don't like that ...
14:42:03  <fonsinchen> And people will start tracking individual pieces of cargo, complaining that they don't actually go to the (estimated) destinations ... aargh
14:53:49  <Ammler> :-D
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15:48:59  <Chris_Booth> hello again
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15:49:24  <fonsinchen> hi
16:01:09  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I think the planes are too large
16:01:21  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> for the airport?
16:01:53  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> Yes, this is the third one crashing
16:01:59  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> they are
16:02:11  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> jet crash on small airports
16:06:48  <fonsinchen> see that copper network I have built?
16:06:56  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> yeah
16:07:48  <fonsinchen> Am I successfully showing off? ;)
16:08:03  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> until it jams
16:08:24  <fonsinchen> Well, it's far from the possible capacity
16:08:43  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> and a missing track section
16:08:49  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> at the factory
16:08:54  <fonsinchen> Oh, which one?
16:09:11  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> sant marti de t valley
16:09:48  <fonsinchen> Note that I didn't use any transfer/unload/full load orders
16:10:01  <fonsinchen> Cargodist does it all by itself.
16:10:23  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> but why do you want to do it?
16:10:27  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i can understand passengers
16:10:31  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> but good
16:10:51  <fonsinchen> feed multiple factories from multiple mines.
16:11:00  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> did you test it already with newindustries?
16:11:07  <fonsinchen> Without caring which mine delivers to which factory
16:11:08  <fonsinchen> no
16:11:13  <fonsinchen> but it will be funny
16:11:32  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> specially ECS with his zillions restrictions
16:12:02  <fonsinchen> Of course it will notice if some industry stops accepting stuff and the cargo will be rerouted accordingly.
16:12:12  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I have a very limited version in mind
16:12:16  <fonsinchen> But I don't know if that's enough.
16:12:33  <fonsinchen> A limited version of what?
16:12:44  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> no use full ESC like we did on PS
16:13:08  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hmm, no that was OT :-)
16:13:20  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I meant limited version of cargodist
16:13:36  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, no cargodist or dest at all ;-)
16:13:50  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> just having multiple "slots" per station.
16:14:12  <fonsinchen> I don't understand
16:14:28  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> as I said, it is kinda OT here :-)
16:15:19  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> I assume, you can disable distribution feature for cargo?
16:15:37  <fonsinchen> Yes, you can set the respective demand function to "unhandled"
16:16:14  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> what is EXPRESS cargo?
16:16:26  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> goods and food?
16:16:38  <fonsinchen> I don't know. But it's written in the code that it can be passengers in certain industry sets
16:16:59  <fonsinchen> otherwise I would have packed it into "default"
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16:27:43  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> i have built a new cargo dest hub
16:27:47  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> in the south east
16:28:20  <fonsinchen> caldes de torreroja?
16:28:25  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> yeah
16:29:57  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> MONEY!
16:30:54  <fonsinchen> Yes, that's the problem. Not everything that gets cargo transported is actually profitable with cargodist ...
16:31:20  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, that doesn't matter
16:31:26  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> game is too easy anyway
16:35:19  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> do you have a kind of penalty system?
16:35:33  <fonsinchen> Penalty for what?
16:35:33  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> so cargo doesn't prefer airports all the time?
16:36:07  <fonsinchen> I first saturate the shortest routes (which are air routes in this case) and then saturate the remaining capacities.
16:36:37  <fonsinchen> And in case there is more demand than capacity every route gets overloaded with the same amount
16:36:57  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ok
16:37:33  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> so how to reduce pax at Sant Sabadell?
16:37:47  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> -Santa
16:38:08  <fonsinchen> build more trains
16:38:29  <fonsinchen> they are all going to villanova de torrenegra
16:38:45  <fonsinchen> which is only accessible by that railway
16:38:59  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> yes
16:39:03  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> but trains are empty
16:39:45  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> Train 16, e.g.
16:40:02  <Mark> hello
16:40:11  <fonsinchen> Oh, it sees a direct link to villanova
16:40:13  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> Saletti
16:40:15  <Tycoon> <Chris Booth> hi mark
16:40:19  <Mark> win bin anywhere?
16:40:28  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> yes, there is one train, which goes non-stop
16:40:36  <fonsinchen> OK ...
16:40:42  <Ammler> !dl win32
16:40:42  <Tycoon> Ammler:
16:40:48  <Mark> thanks
16:41:01  <Ammler> first tome on coop?
16:41:10  <Ammler> time*
16:41:11  <fonsinchen> reduce the short link saturation if those 800 pax are disturbing you
16:41:16  <fonsinchen> they won't get much more.
16:41:22  <Mark> yes :)
16:42:07  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, why doesn't it load on the small regio trains?
16:42:14  <fonsinchen> Thay are all waiting for the direct train as that got saturated first.
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16:42:29  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> but that is at cap limit
16:42:36  <fonsinchen> However, vehicles get an initial boost when they are running the first time.
16:42:46  <fonsinchen> This is why the pax have accumulated there
16:43:07  <fonsinchen> The numbers will settle at reasonable values after some time.
16:43:23  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> ok, we will see :-)
16:43:48  <fonsinchen> But the 800 pax can't be delivered anymore. It will always saturate the direct train to 90% before considering the regios.
16:44:02  <fonsinchen> (with new pax)
16:44:12  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> 90% of?
16:44:21  <fonsinchen> its capacity
16:44:32  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> but it is at 100%
16:44:52  <Mark> !download
16:44:53  <Tycoon> Mark: !download lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
16:44:55  <fonsinchen> The capacity estimation isn't that accurate
16:44:57  <Mark> !download win32
16:44:57  <Tycoon> Mark:
16:45:12  <Mark> dl link is dead
16:45:15  <Mark> at least for me it is
16:45:35  <fonsinchen> don't count on those 10% being enough to actually get the 800 pax transported.
16:46:21  <Ammler> hmm, did I wrongly rename?
16:47:15  <Ammler> oh, not again :-(
16:49:38  <Ammler> Mark, try again
16:56:10  <Mark> seems to work
16:56:16  <Mark> dankesehr
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16:56:56  <Tycoon> <Mark> 'lo
16:58:02  <Tycoon> <Mark> this is way too complex for me
16:58:08  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hehe
16:58:22  <fonsinchen> Any specific problems?
16:58:50  <Ammler> [16:02] <Tycoon> <AmmIer> for me, this gets to complicated
16:59:27  <Ammler> fonsinchen: don't get it wrong, the patch is awesome
17:00:20  <Tycoon> <Mark> i want to have the amount of pak waiting at stations converted to boolean values :P
17:00:51  <fonsinchen> Uh? What should that look like?
17:01:01  <Tycoon> <Mark> dunno im not the coder :P
17:01:07  <Tycoon> <Mark> it was actually a joke though
17:01:49  <Tycoon> <Mark> more serious: the patch looks very nice
17:12:51  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> yes, water is probably a better target for that trick than copper.
17:13:41  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> but goods or food would be interesting, too
17:15:21  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> the problem with orders that don't have non-stop is that cargodist won't know the next station the vehicle stops at.
17:15:39  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> that is what I am testing right now ;-)
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17:15:52  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> so, you have to set all stations and put non-stop everywhere
17:18:23  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> this won't do what you expect ...
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17:48:17  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> hmm, that is a pbs bug
17:51:32  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> lol
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17:52:01  <fonsinchen> the problem is that train 54's order 3 is nondeterministic
17:53:03  <fonsinchen> and order 1 too
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17:54:41  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> fixed now?
17:54:49  <fonsinchen> if you want cargodist to manage the distribution of cargo between Banyoles and Sabadell, both stations have to be in the order list as non-stop. And I don't quite know what happens if you have nondeterministic orders before. That's an interesting experiment.
17:55:19  <fonsinchen> let's see what it does
17:55:33  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> Banyoles: is still not non-stop
17:55:43  <fonsinchen> It looks funny ... I can't wrap my head around it right now.
17:56:07  <fonsinchen> that might be OK.
17:56:17  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> looks ok
17:56:29  <fonsinchen> Nondeterminism is only a problem when loading or keeping specific cargo.
17:56:29  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> both are in the distro list
17:59:05  <fonsinchen> I think it doesn't work. But I might be able to improve that behaviour.
17:59:25  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, I have to report a pbs bug :-)
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18:06:46  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> doesn't Work for Vallfosca
18:08:02  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> the train is loading there
18:09:06  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> the trains don't keep any water for Sabadell. I'm trying to understand why.
18:10:43  <Tycoon> <fonsinchen> I think the next hop is set to INVALID_STATION if a nondeterministic order is detected. packages with invalid next hop can be unloaded anywhere.
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18:11:29  <fonsinchen> ouch
18:11:32  <fonsinchen> desync
18:11:38  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> :-o
18:12:06  <fonsinchen> shit, and I didn't have desync debug on
18:12:10  <fonsinchen> gah!
18:12:16  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> :-)
18:12:21  <fonsinchen> I'm so stupid
18:12:25  <fonsinchen> incredible.
18:12:36  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> true :P
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18:14:45  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> now, you won't desync anymore :P
18:15:04  <fonsinchen> of course. Murphy's law does apply to desyncs.
18:15:50  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> he
18:16:19  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> those feeder don't work anymore, of course :-)
18:17:13  <Tycoon> <AmmIer> well, I guess, you don't need to support that kind ;-)
18:18:13  <fonsinchen> The water thing? It wouldn't be that hard to support it. I just need to ignore that INVALID_STATION when unloading. However, I'm not quite sure if that has any side effects.
18:19:42  <fonsinchen> Do you also get those messages "Saving is still in progress. Please wait until it's finished"?
18:21:16  <planetmaker> that's usual for autosave
18:31:31  <fonsinchen> but I get it all the time ... it seems something is hanging.
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