Log for on 28th May 2011:
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09:39:28  <planetmaker> !rcon save yacd22_1
09:39:28  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Saving map...
09:39:29  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Map successfully saved to yacd22_1.sav
09:39:33  <planetmaker> !rcon restart
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09:43:12  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hi hi
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09:47:55  <planetmaker> hello folks :-)
09:48:29  <planetmaker> peter, andy: if you have a specific map you want to play, that's of course also possible
09:49:27  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> random's fine by me
09:49:37  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> so, co-op or individual?
09:49:48  <planetmaker> you can do what you like
09:49:59  <planetmaker> it's the dev server, there are no hard rules
09:50:05  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah, i was mostly asking andy :D
09:50:10  <planetmaker> :-D k
09:50:43  <planetmaker> !ip
09:50:43  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker:
09:52:01  <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has started a new company (#2)
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09:52:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ho
09:52:40  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hello stranger :D
09:52:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> small map :-)
10:08:18  <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has left the game (connection lost)
10:14:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> petererer: it's not a good idea to have your bus wait on the level crossings for months
10:14:15  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> at Honfingford
10:14:17  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> :)
10:17:43  <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has started a new company (#3)
10:22:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, there are WAY too many steel mills
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10:24:47  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> where are all the industry types?
10:24:53  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth is confused
10:28:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... it is difficult to think of a good money maker
10:28:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> if you like you can join me, Terkhen
10:28:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I try to establish a heavy industry chain, starting with ore + steel
10:28:54  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I know that pax works with yacd. Now I need to try industries first ;-)
10:29:36  <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has joined company #1
10:29:40  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I just finished a metal game with FIRS, I prefer passengers this time :)
10:29:48  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> fair enough
10:30:07  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> s/finished/reached the vehicle limit/
10:31:06  <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has started a new company (#4)
10:39:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> flat maps are strange
10:39:43  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I can build routes anywhere I like :P
10:40:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I'm used to maps more flat than this one
10:40:21  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I'm lazy :P
10:40:47  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> even more flat? That borders to real lazyness indeed ;-)
10:41:54  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> heh
10:46:24  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> as usual I'm heading for bankruptcy
10:46:42  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth looks at terkhens routes
10:47:29  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :o
10:47:35  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> oh, a subsidy in one of my lines
10:47:37  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> that's quite a lot of investment there
10:47:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes, I tend to build too big :P
10:48:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> mostly because I don't like rebuilding stuff later
10:48:37  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> just start small. Don't re-build but extend
10:49:08  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... station spread is set to insane levels
10:49:16  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yup
10:49:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you don't need to use it ;-)
10:50:56  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I suppose there is no way for passengers to jump between networks of different companies
10:51:06  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> unfortunately not
10:54:05  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> is inflation on?
10:54:19  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> no
10:54:26  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> (why didn't i look first, hehe)
10:56:22  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> well, i'm out of money :p
10:57:09  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> who's winning?
11:01:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I'm almost out of money too
11:01:13  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> i'm making money... slowly...
11:01:31  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I wonder if getting into mail too was a good idea
11:01:37  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I will probably crash my trains at some point
11:01:44  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I always forget I can't pause in MP
11:01:50  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> heh :D
11:02:01  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> my buses are losing money
11:02:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> the boats available here are frankly crap
11:02:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, they are.
11:02:48  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah
11:02:54  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> someone should make a decent ship set
11:03:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> had I not just used rcon restart, I'd have configured some newgrfs
11:03:12  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> this is a nicegame, but maybe we should...improve it
11:03:31  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> new boats
11:03:37  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> maybe...more industries?
11:03:47  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> there's loads
11:03:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> more types?
11:04:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes, there are too many industries already, I would lower the amount a bit
11:04:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> moar cargos
11:04:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> we could add a few more chains with opengfx+ industries
11:05:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> shall I stop extending my routes then? :P
11:05:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> or do we play this one out?
11:05:30  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> i'd like to play it out
11:05:38  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> me too
11:05:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ok
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11:06:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> nice to not have to ever click refit
11:07:12  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> :p
11:07:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> or forgetting to refit :)
11:07:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D
11:07:19  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah
11:07:29  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> i wish the cargo filter could do auto-refit
11:07:43  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> there should be a way
11:07:49  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> vehicles in vehicles!
11:08:33  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I remember discussing automatic refit from cargo filter... we found a big problem but I don't remember which one
11:10:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, ok. I state that also fright YACD is quite well feasible
11:11:02  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> freight yacd is feasible
11:11:04  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> All it takes is to actually look a bit
11:11:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'm just losing money on PAX
11:11:12  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> my cash is in coal
11:11:16  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> on pax?
11:11:26  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I have some loss making buses
11:11:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I didn't set up my PAX network with any care
11:12:31  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I should try freight yacd some time
11:12:37  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> but passengers are fun
11:13:31  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> playing fright is much different from default, though. much more than pa
11:13:33  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> pax
11:14:37  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes, with freight I always start with something easy such as coal -> power plant
11:14:43  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> but with yacd it becomes more difficult
11:15:05  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah, one has to think in routes
11:15:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... the last two ore mines are not really worthwhile
11:15:47  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> though... maybe
11:16:09  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah, with pax you can just plonk things down knowing that it'll work out eventually
11:16:33  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes :)
11:16:47  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> indeed
11:17:09  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I wonder why everybody wants to go to Peningwell
11:17:16  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with you, too?
11:17:48  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hmm
11:17:58  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I have 200 passengers sitting at stations because I don't have enough buses in that link
11:18:16  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> wonder how long it takes to go from great flinhill west to chunnington :)
11:18:42  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth nearly out of money :(
11:18:44  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> 5 changes
11:18:50  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> 5 is not many
11:18:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> it is quite a big trip :)
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11:21:12  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm.... I need money
11:21:25  <V453000> activity? :D
11:21:29  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> how do I send money?
11:21:39  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> you need money to send money
11:21:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I have money
11:21:49  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> 50p
11:21:51  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> hrh
11:21:53  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :D
11:22:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> in comparison I'm rich
11:22:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> not anymore :(
11:22:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I never ran out :-P
11:23:05  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> planetmaker's winning then :p
11:23:12  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no by profits
11:23:23  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we're all quite close
11:23:49  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> mine is much more up and down than terkhen's
11:24:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I guess passengers are more reliable
11:24:19  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> cargo is more volatile, yes
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11:26:12  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hi ladies
11:26:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hi young lady
11:26:32  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hi hi
11:26:46  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hi V453000
11:27:36  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth baby duties
11:28:22  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm
11:28:24  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> no pause
11:28:43  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :P
11:34:43  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> he's making money now he's not here ;p
11:34:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sure
11:35:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... I miss having trams or metro trains
11:35:33  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> busses do a good job as well :)
11:35:35  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> and the map's too small to bother with aircraft
11:35:45  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> aircraft sucks ass :P
11:36:00  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> not on a 512x512, with 70% water :D
11:36:06  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth wants to run some planes
11:36:16  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> but no towns are big enough yet
11:36:22  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> planes suck, regardless of the  map
11:36:24  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> aircraft are a money pitwith yacd
11:36:30  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> it is dumb, you just place 2 airports and done
11:37:14  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hey this is the map I made some time ago :D
11:37:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> V453000: it should be a random one afaik
11:37:34  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> no
11:37:41  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> I even remember it
11:37:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or the same as before. dunno which
11:37:51  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> not like it matters :p
11:38:00  <Ammler> restart uses the same map
11:38:10  <Ammler> newgame makes a new one, afaik
11:38:45  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> does the server have newgrfs loaded/updated/available?
11:39:20  <Ammler> same server as .stable
11:39:28  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> ok :)
11:39:38  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> so bananas only?
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11:42:29  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> brb
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11:51:37  <V453000> have fun :p
11:52:15  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I think we have ;-)
11:53:13  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm
11:53:19  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> some of my buses now make a profit
11:59:29  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what yacd is missing is a view "this industry accepts from X Y and Z"
11:59:36  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yes
11:59:54  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> in fact that's more logical than the existing view
12:00:05  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> if you assume that companies choose their supplier
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12:00:27  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> oooh, I have money
12:01:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so conditional orders are said to mess up things?
12:01:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I have never tried them with yacd
12:02:10  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's see. My RV 3 will have some
12:07:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> towns grow quite fast
12:08:06  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> with lots of stations, yeah
12:08:21  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> and i can't put stops on your roads :(
12:08:44  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> IIRC there is a setting for that
12:08:54  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah
12:08:56  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> it's off
12:09:16  <V453000> !rcon set town_growt_rate
12:09:16  <IwantGoThere> V453000: 'town_growt_rate' is an unknown setting.
12:09:20  <V453000> !rcon set town_growth_rate
12:09:20  <IwantGoThere> V453000: Current value for 'town_growth_rate' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 4)
12:09:46  <V453000> set on slowest possible :)
12:10:37  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I should learn to make proper train networks
12:11:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-)
12:12:29  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> petererer: which setting name is that?
12:12:47  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> no idea
12:12:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> road_stop_on_competitor_road
12:13:03  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well, then I can't change it ;-) Ok
12:13:03  <V453000> road_stop_on_competitor_road
12:13:06  <V453000> ye
12:13:16  <planetmaker> !rcon set road_stop_on_competitor_road 1
12:13:20  <planetmaker> should be on now
12:15:43  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... my network is quite ugly ;-)
12:15:50  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yacd often requires adjustments
12:15:56  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and bg
12:15:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> big :P
12:16:08  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> some redundant lines, yes
12:16:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> and confusing :P
12:16:36  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not at all. It's basically a circle now
12:16:46  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with some stations acting as somewhat hub ones
12:16:53  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> when you only know lines, circles are confusing :P
12:17:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) circle line, you know ;-)
12:17:21  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but no such route is actually serviced :-P
12:19:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... one should explicitly add stations which one wants to be visited
12:20:09  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or they suddenly are not visited anymore when the network layout changes ;-)
12:30:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> towns grow faster than my money :P
12:30:23  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sounds too fast ;-)
12:30:33  <planetmaker> !rcon set town_growth_rate
12:30:33  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Current value for 'town_growth_rate' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 4)
12:30:40  <planetmaker> hm... it's to min
12:30:48  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or did V change that?
12:31:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I think he just checked that it was at the minimum already
12:32:05  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm...
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12:32:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... not good. A fully loaded ore train heading for amine :S
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12:37:21  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes... conditional orders were the reason it seems. Let's see how it works without
12:38:32  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :/
12:51:46  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm
12:51:52  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> peter is winningest
12:52:12  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> by which standards?
12:52:18  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yeah, by whose?
12:52:29  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> income
12:52:33  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> operating profit
12:52:35  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> nope
12:52:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's terkhen
12:52:44  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> oh :m
12:53:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but I reached the stage where I look around more than I built ;-)
12:53:02  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth will try harder
12:53:16  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I'm just adding new trains when needed
12:53:39  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I should turn bus lines into train lines before they collapse but that's boring
12:54:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh... I established a very bad link...
12:55:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's put dedicated service to that ;-)
12:55:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and not carry cargo for a 20 tile travel like 300 tiles
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13:03:54  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> meh
13:04:00  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> all my goods trains lose money
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13:32:13  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythenorth: could you possibly re-arrange your stations a bit around Sonnley Heihts etc?
13:32:39  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth looks
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13:32:57  <Terkhen> ooh, interesting
13:32:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you built that stuff that no expansion of my tracks is feasible anymore
13:33:03  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm :-(
13:33:17  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> planetm4ker: yes, but it will take a bit of work with the bridges
13:33:21  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's turn desync debugging
13:33:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> few minutes
13:33:30  <Terkhen> ok, I was just building track :P
13:33:40  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> you can't
13:33:46  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythenorth: it's not urgent, but would be nice
13:33:50  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> yacd crashes instantly with debug desync on
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13:34:05  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> petererer: right, there was something.... let's skip that then
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13:36:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> l
13:36:50  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> planetm4ker: done
13:37:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thanks a lot
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13:40:58  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> is refilling a lake against the rules? :P
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13:46:59  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth needs more cargo to condtown factory
13:50:27  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> tnm
13:56:33  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, andy is stealing my wood ;-)
13:56:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> can I steal wood too?
13:57:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> sounds fun
13:58:40  <Ammler> !url
13:58:40  <IwantGoThere> Ammler:
14:00:44  <Ammler> !reload config
14:00:44  <IwantGoThere> Ammler: config reloaded
14:00:46  <Ammler> !url
14:00:46  <IwantGoThere> Ammler:
14:01:53  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> heh, what happened with profits?
14:02:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you guys started transporting stuff where I transport - something I did not plan for :-P
14:03:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> probably me
14:03:24  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yup :-P
14:03:35  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> is that rude
14:03:38  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ?
14:03:44  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... only passengers in my case
14:03:49  <Ammler> no, but fun :-)
14:03:56  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you can' steal passengers from me, Terkhen;-)
14:04:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I've none :-P
14:04:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythenorth: depends on the server rules
14:04:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I don't like it ;-)
14:04:38  <Ammler> yacd might even be better for competition
14:05:08  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> in the server where I play competition is encouraged, but the maps are huge and we usually don't compete against each other unless we need to
14:06:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> oh, things are back to normal :)
14:06:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: andy does transport wood on same link?
14:06:25  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
14:06:28  <Ammler> hehe
14:06:44  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well, I've a few rating tricks up my sleeve. I can deal with that ;-)
14:07:01  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I didn't notice you'd completed that link :)
14:07:07  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I just want the cargo delivered
14:07:10  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but came as a surprise and I'd have setup differently in places
14:07:24  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :(
14:07:26  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> you killed my bus
14:07:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> who? Me?
14:07:34  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> me
14:07:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you want I build a bridge there?
14:07:40  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes
14:08:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> there, bridge placed
14:08:08  <Ammler> andy, the evil guy
14:08:24  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, I too. Sorry
14:08:43  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> now you have to talk to the driver's family
14:08:50  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there, buy a new one ;-)
14:09:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... though the driver might be hard to 'buy'
14:09:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> andythenorth: the wood trains at Honfingford are going to cause an accident soon
14:10:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I can't build a road bridge there because peter owns the road
14:11:17  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> sorted
14:11:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> thanks :)
14:11:37  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> now my valuables truck drivers are safe
14:11:51  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> there is no "valuables truck stolen" disaster, right?
14:16:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> wtf. Industries close with trains opperating with 'full load' :S
14:17:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> yup
14:18:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> why?
14:19:17  <Ammler> maybe that should be changed in the code
14:19:35  <Ammler> drivers don't die on accidents
14:20:47  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> meh
14:20:53  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'm now in third place
14:21:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no, me
14:21:33  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I look at profit, not performance ;)
14:21:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> buying statues was too expensive ;-)
14:21:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, also there
14:22:21  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> true, statues
14:22:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, I hate competition for industries :S
14:22:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> meh
14:23:02  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> great flinhill hates me
14:23:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> they used to hate me too, but they like trees
14:23:31  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you left no gaps for me
14:23:33  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :P
14:24:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> clear the trees, once your rating reaches appalling it can't go down further
14:24:06  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> then you replant them :P
14:24:12  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ho
14:24:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I didn't know that
14:24:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... routes also change
14:24:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> change how?
14:24:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as in other destinations
14:25:01  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> yes
14:25:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> but if enough network is connected, it matters less
14:25:38  <Terkhen> oh :/
14:25:48  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> passengers are more reliable :P
14:28:16  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, about done this map
14:29:02  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ok
14:29:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> terkhen wins
14:29:11  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> time for a FIRS + yacd game
14:29:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :P
14:29:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> :P
14:29:28  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> lotsa newgrfs ;p
14:29:38  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> cooperative or competitive? :P
14:29:38  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> planetm4ker: collaborative?
14:29:48  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> IS2! :p
14:29:50  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we'll get more cargo moving faster
14:29:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> IS works with yacd?
14:30:13  <IwantGoThere> * Terkhen does not mind as long as he can play with passengers
14:30:27  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth will pretend terkhen is an AI
14:30:27  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Oh, no need to stop, if you don't want to :-)
14:30:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But it feels 'done' to me :-)
14:30:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we could use FISH nightly if you don't mind some brokenness
14:30:42  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> can we use 2cc? I love the metro trains for yacd
14:31:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> does 2cc have freight cars yet?
14:31:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I don't like anything else in the set, though
14:31:10  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth hasn't tried it for a while
14:31:36  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> does it use railtypes for metro?
14:31:54  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> can we use nightly grfs, or is that too complicated?
14:32:02  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> not by itself, I suppose nutracks does it
14:32:28  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ha
14:32:36  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth just beat terkhen on performance rating
14:32:39  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> lets stop now
14:32:41  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> :D
14:32:44  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> heh
14:32:54  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> pikka's 3rd rail track is nicer than the metro track
14:33:00  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> that yellow thing is just ugly
14:33:07  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ukrs + add ons?
14:33:09  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> that's easy,  I only transport two types of cargos :P
14:33:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> I have never played with ukrs
14:33:21  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> (ukrs 2)
14:33:29  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> as long as it has high passenger capacity I don't mind the train set
14:33:35  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> start around 1900, UKRS 2
14:33:50  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> what truck set though?
14:34:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> egrvts still fails with realistic acceleration :/
14:34:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> yes
14:34:16  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> realistic isn't on
14:34:16  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm
14:34:22  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you all use a lame amount of rvs
14:34:30  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I have more than the rest of you added together
14:34:44  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> opengfx+ road vehicles now looks fine, but it shares the same problems than the default vehicles regarding capacity and costs
14:34:56  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> HEQS should get in, but it is not complete by itself
14:35:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I am bored of eGRVTS
14:35:16  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> me too
14:35:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> lets use opengfx+ then
14:35:20  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> what else is there?
14:35:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> not a lot
14:36:25  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> who sets it up?
14:36:27  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> we can add generic trams to have trams with higher capacity than those of opengfx+ road vehicles
14:37:21  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> anyone keen on providing a configured map then?
14:37:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> how much water?
14:37:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> what size map?
14:37:54  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> <= 512^2
14:38:00  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> flat-ish?
14:38:02  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> 512x256 or 512x512 IMO
14:38:16  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> 512x256 is more fun for yacd
14:38:22  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> FISH, HEQS, opengfx+ road vehicles, generic trams
14:38:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not flatter than here, I'd say ;-) But that really depends
14:38:28  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> CHIPS
14:38:53  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> FIRS? ogfx+trains?
14:39:02  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> ok
14:39:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> use also the climate dependent airports ;-), looks nicer
14:39:48  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm... if we are going to use aircrafts we need a grf for that too
14:39:54  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> the default ones have too small capacities
14:39:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> av8
14:40:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> yes
14:40:03  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and general av8ion
14:40:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> you need some low cap aircraft for yacd
14:40:20  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> true :)
14:40:46  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'm going to look at a savegame  so I'll disconnect
14:40:49  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> can you set % of cities to zero?
14:40:51  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth -> irc
14:40:55  <IwantGoThere> *** andythenorth has left the game (leaving)
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14:42:02  <Terkhen> gah, highlighting myself is annoying
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14:43:04  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth has a baby interruption
14:43:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> can someone else make the map?
14:43:31  <Terkhen> I'll do it
14:43:42  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> do we all have access to a nightly FISH?
14:43:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> it has useful ships in it for yacd
14:43:56  <Terkhen> which one do you want to use?
14:44:06  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> only stuff on bananas
14:44:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> ok
14:44:12  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> nvm
14:44:33  <Terkhen> ok
14:44:37  <planetmaker> Terkhen: guess why my ingame name is planetm4ker and not planetmaker ;-)
14:44:53  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> so just release it :p
14:45:00  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> graphics are gash
14:49:28  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> what's the irc channel for this server?
14:49:34  <Terkhen> <--- what am I forgetting?
14:49:38  <Terkhen>
14:50:26  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> Terkhen CHIPS
14:50:56  <Terkhen> added
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14:51:37  <andythenorth_> pow
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14:52:03  <Ammler> Terkhen: stations sets
14:52:45  *** andythenorth has joined
14:52:47  <Terkhen> which ones should I add?
14:52:47  <andythenorth> Terkhen: expensive slow short bridges?
14:53:06  <planetmaker> nah
14:53:09  <IwantGoThere> <petererer> ANDY'S GOT A JAM
14:53:35  *** andythenorth has left
14:53:49  <Ammler> Terkhen: you don't need to chose station sets, just add all you think :-)
14:53:54  *** andythenorth has joined
14:53:56  <planetmaker> :-)
14:53:58  <andythenorth> that's annoying
14:54:05  <planetmaker> Terkhen: maybe ogfx+landscape?
14:54:13  <Terkhen> I don't know any station sets besides chips and isr
14:54:18  <Terkhen> planetmaker: ok :)
14:54:28  <planetmaker> only if others agree / want
14:54:30  <andythenorth> I am trying life without ISR
14:54:51  <Terkhen> oh, and climate dependent airports
14:54:52  <Ammler> possible?
14:54:58  <IwantGoThere> *** petererer has left the game (leaving)
14:54:58  <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players)
14:55:05  <planetmaker> Terkhen: yes, sure ,those
14:55:21  <planetmaker> meanwhile they're called opengfx+ airports in newer versions :-P
14:55:29  <andythenorth> let me know when it's done :)
14:55:35  <andythenorth> 45% water?
14:55:45  <andythenorth> FIRS needs 'industry high' for YACD
14:55:50  <andythenorth> or you don't get enough primary
14:56:00  <andythenorth> unfortunately you get too much secondary :P
14:56:11  <Terkhen> planetmaker: has it been released under the "opengfx+ airports" name already? I don't have it and I just updated
14:56:19  <planetmaker> starting year also 1950? Terkhen swedish rails, if you use arctic
14:56:23  <andythenorth> industry closure on or off?
14:56:33  <planetmaker> Terkhen: no new release yet
14:56:37  <Terkhen> arctic, 1950, 45% water, swedish rails
14:56:47  <planetmaker> also not "worth" as nothing changed except the programming language
14:56:51  <andythenorth> hmm
14:57:02  <andythenorth> FIRS will be seriously out of date if we use 0.6.4 :P
14:57:04  <andythenorth> nvm
14:57:07  <planetmaker> swedish houses?
14:57:42  <planetmaker> soon we're at my favourite list of newgrfs ;-)
14:59:29  <Terkhen>
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15:00:35  <andythenorth> we should play :)
15:00:40  <andythenorth> what FIRS settings?
15:00:59  <planetmaker> hm... the dwe station tiles are nice, too :-)
15:01:07  <Terkhen> default
15:01:11  <planetmaker> but it definitely doesn't matter
15:01:15  <planetmaker> and andy's right
15:01:19  <Terkhen> I have not touched parameters at all
15:01:38  <Terkhen> I'll enable alpine
15:02:24  <planetmaker> if you enable alpine you can also enable the opengfx tunnels ;-)
15:02:31  <planetmaker> within SER
15:02:35  <Terkhen> hilly terrain, 45% water?
15:02:38  <Terkhen> SER?
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15:02:49  <planetmaker> swedish rails. hm...
15:02:53  <Terkhen> oh, ok :)
15:03:03  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:03:04  <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game
15:03:05  <planetmaker> they don't match alpine terrain, did they?
15:03:13  <planetmaker> well, nvm
15:03:22  <Terkhen> and it says "not multiplayer safe"
15:04:06  <planetmaker> yes, as they fit opengfx landscape
15:04:21  <planetmaker> but with opengfx landscape activated via newgrf...
15:04:28  <planetmaker> I should detect and auto-set that ;-)
15:04:45  <Terkhen> ok
15:04:54  <Terkhen> so... nothing missing then? :)
15:05:23  <planetmaker> I don't think so
15:05:45  <planetmaker> "multiplayer unsave" only that it cannot match TTD and OpenGFX at the same time
15:06:23  <planetmaker> thus tunnels can only be replaced, if you replace the COMPLETE landscape
15:07:20  <Terkhen> <--- are you sure about "high" number of industries? :P
15:08:50  <Terkhen>
15:08:51  <planetmaker> that's ok, I think
15:09:07  <planetmaker> !getsave
15:09:07  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: OK :-)
15:09:14  <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav
15:09:14  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: yacd.sav: No such file or directory.
15:09:18  <planetmaker> !rcon pwd
15:09:18  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: /home/ottdc/svn-yacd/autopilot/save/
15:09:24  <planetmaker> !rcon ls
15:09:24  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory)
15:09:24  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory)
15:09:24  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory)
15:09:24  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 3) yacd22_1.sav
15:09:24  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 4) restart.sav
15:09:25  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: you have one more message
15:09:29  <planetmaker> !rcon uploads
15:09:29  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found
15:09:33  <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd
15:09:33  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: yacd: No such file or directory.
15:09:36  <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav
15:09:36  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: yacd.sav: No such file or directory.
15:09:40  <planetmaker> !rcon los
15:09:40  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found
15:09:42  <planetmaker> !rcon ls
15:09:43  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory)
15:09:43  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory)
15:09:43  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory)
15:09:43  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 3) yacd22_1.sav
15:09:43  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 4) restart.sav
15:09:43  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: you have one more message
15:09:52  <planetmaker> !rcon cd uploads
15:09:56  <planetmaker> !rcon ls
15:09:56  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory)
15:09:56  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1) yacd.sav
15:09:56  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 2) Yacd03_clean.sav
15:09:56  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 3) Yacd01_db.sav
15:09:56  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 4) Yacd02_clean.sav
15:10:01  <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav
15:10:04  <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players)
15:10:04  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:10:06  <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game
15:10:22  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:10:24  <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game
15:10:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... this is *something* else
15:10:47  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:10:47  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> newgrf missing probably :S
15:10:49  <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen joined the game
15:10:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkhen> hmm...
15:11:04  <planetmaker> !rcon content update
15:11:06  <IwantGoThere> *** Terkhen has left the game (leaving)
15:11:09  <planetmaker> !rcon content select all
15:11:14  <planetmaker> !rcon content update
15:11:18  <planetmaker> !update
15:11:24  <planetmaker> !rcon update
15:11:24  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found
15:11:41  <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav
15:11:44  <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players)
15:11:44  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:11:46  <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game
15:11:47  <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game
15:12:16  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:12:19  <IwantGoThere> *** T3rkhen joined the game
15:12:26  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> hmm...
15:12:27  <planetmaker> !rcon content state
15:12:27  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: ‎[All] petererer: i think you might've done it wrong ;p
15:12:27  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: id, type, state, name
15:12:27  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1615, Base graphics, Selected, OpenGFX
15:12:27  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1134, Base music, Selected, OpenMSX
15:12:27  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: 1410, Base music, Selected, Scott Joplin Anthology
15:12:29  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: you have 385 more messages
15:12:40  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> let me check, but I'm sure I did not use anything not on bananas
15:12:42  <IwantGoThere> *** T3rkhen has left the game (leaving)
15:12:44  <planetmaker> !rcon content update
15:12:53  <planetmaker> !rcon content select all
15:12:58  <planetmaker> !rcon content download
15:12:58  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Downloading 384 file(s) (181220411 bytes)
15:13:02  <planetmaker> :-O
15:13:05  <planetmaker> right
15:13:12  <Terkhen> oh
15:13:13  <Terkhen> :D
15:13:16  <Ammler> hmm
15:13:21  <Terkhen> that's big
15:13:23  <Ammler> that should not happen
15:13:26  <Ammler> did you restart?
15:13:37  <Ammler> or rescan
15:13:45  <planetmaker> I loaded a savegame. But not the server. And ... read back what I did
15:13:52  <planetmaker> nothing hidden happend
15:13:59  <Ammler> yep
15:14:07  <Ammler> so you didn't restart or rescan
15:14:36  <planetmaker> does it give feedback when it's done?
15:14:54  <Ammler> guess not
15:15:03  <planetmaker> !rcon load yacd.sav
15:15:06  <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players)
15:15:11  <Ammler> well, you could check the logs
15:15:15  <IwantGoThere> Server has exited
15:15:16  *** IwantGoThere has quit IRC
15:15:21  <planetmaker> he
15:16:36  <andythenorth> any house rules for coop play?
15:17:00  <Ammler> yes, talk with your partners :-)
15:17:00  *** IwantGoThere has joined
15:17:00  <IwantGoThere> Autopilot engaged
15:17:00  <IwantGoThere> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} YACD'
15:17:00  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop patch test channel - YACD | yacd_2.2 | STAGE: GAME ON |"
15:17:18  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:17:21  <IwantGoThere> *** petererer joined the game
15:17:58  <Ammler> planetmaker: the issue might be that I added bananas files after openttd started, so it crashed
15:17:58  <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players)
15:17:58  <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
15:18:01  <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game
15:18:17  <planetmaker> well... but it shouldn't
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15:18:35  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> anything missing? :P
15:18:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nice :-)
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15:19:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I don't think so.
15:19:15  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and if so... bad luck ;-)
15:19:21  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> ok, so... what should we do? :P
15:19:29  <Ammler> planetmaker: if you want to reproduce, start openttd with empty bananas
15:19:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so... starting with a pax money maker?
15:19:49  <Ammler> then while openttd is running, add the bananas files
15:19:51  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Ammler: did you reproduce it that way?
15:19:54  <Ammler> then start content
15:20:04  <Ammler> no, that is what I did here
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15:20:06  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... interesting
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15:20:15  <Ammler> openttd does only scan on staart
15:20:31  <Ammler> so it didn't know, it has all the bananas files I added after
15:20:33  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. and when asked to re-scan
15:20:35  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> that's fine by me, but most towns are small
15:20:41  <IwantGoThere> * andythenorth recommends hauling wood from malvalla
15:20:43  <Ammler> (symlinking the "global bananas"
15:20:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> there is a cluster there
15:20:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, I just noticed, T3rkhen:-)
15:20:51  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> let's see
15:20:53  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> but first we need a PAX network
15:21:05  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> btw, can you replace the 2nd "e" instead of the 1st?
15:21:15  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> oh, there are a lot of forests there
15:21:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Then the tab completion works on the same 2 letters for you ;-)
15:21:17  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> sure
15:21:23  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> name Terkh3n
15:21:26  <IwantGoThere> <T3rkhen> ups, not here
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15:21:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we should also run a fishing boat near fiskberg
15:21:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well we only have little money. We need a good starter
15:22:06  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Beckarp ?
15:22:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or Sandvalla?
15:22:36  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> both?
15:22:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or is industry more profitable?
15:22:48  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't know :P
15:22:51  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> best starter is a couple of fishing boats
15:22:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and a dense pax network
15:23:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: I thought of not too distant, so that we can connect them in reasonable time with trains
15:23:22  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Sandvalla is a better start then, it has more towns nearby
15:23:28  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> which is the biggest city
15:23:30  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could set up the fishing boats and Sandvalla
15:23:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yep, let's go for it
15:23:41  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> brb
15:24:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> sandvalla, trams
15:24:30  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> we can borrow more money?
15:24:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> tram? Ho... I built bus stations
15:25:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> obviously we can go up to 500k
15:25:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but we should keep like 50k in reserve
15:25:38  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> I'll do the fish boats
15:26:04  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh damn, the bus...
15:26:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's going to be SLOOOW
15:26:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm
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15:26:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> the docks have a problem...
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15:26:49  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> Terkh3n: ISR needs to be before CHIPS :)
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15:27:00  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> and ISR has a palette issue
15:28:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> damn... the bus will run a loss
15:29:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: bus stops and tram stops are the same thing, build trams on them and trams will be able to stop there too
15:29:27  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and I had no idea about chips/ISR, sorry
15:29:33  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah... but not worth to update now
15:29:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> hmm
15:29:51  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> chips and ISR *should* have no issues and not interfere
15:29:53  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> is it me that has the palette issue?
15:30:11  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> do I need to set a palette?
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15:30:25  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no, ISR has the wrong palette set
15:30:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it has the windows palette but is set to DOS
15:30:47  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh... ans SER, too :-(
15:31:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hold on. Many newgrfs have the wrong palette..
15:31:44  <IwantGoThere> <andythenorth> default stations have wrong palette :P
15:31:50  <Terkhen> hmm
15:31:59  <Terkhen> sorry, it is probably something on my side :/
15:32:00  <Ammler> maybe terken uses dos base set?
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15:32:13  <Terkhen> no, I use opengfx
15:32:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> do you, terkhen? hm, thought so. Strange
15:32:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll fix it
15:32:29  <Terkhen> hmm...
15:32:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> just don't build anything, it'll get lost
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15:32:48  <Terkhen> IIRC there was a change related to palettes recently
15:35:08  <Terkhen> newgrf_default_palette <--- hmm...
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15:35:42  <planetmaker> !getsave
15:35:42  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: OK :-)
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15:35:49  <Terkhen> the default value for that setting is "1", and I had it at "0"
15:35:52  <planetmaker> !rcon load Sandvalla.sav
15:35:52  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Sandvalla.sav: No such file or directory.
15:35:56  <planetmaker> !rcon load Sandvalla
15:35:56  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Sandvalla: No such file or directory.
15:36:06  <planetmaker> !rcon load uploads/Sandvalla.sav
15:36:06  <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: uploads/Sandvalla.sav: No such file or directory.
15:36:11  <planetmaker> !rcon cd uploads
15:36:16  <planetmaker> !rcon load Sandvalla.sav
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15:36:24  <Terkhen> I suppose all of the errors were "palette set to DOS for a Windows newgrf"
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15:36:48  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> better :-)
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15:37:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, it's looking better now :)
15:37:45  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so.. what's the plan?
15:37:51  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> expand Sandvalla network?
15:38:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> A tram to Sprögsvall is a good choice IMHO
15:38:39  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with two stations there. The tram connecting to one station in Sandvalla only
15:38:45  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I like the names, which are they?
15:39:11  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> default swedish names
15:39:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I forgot to load the newgrf
15:39:23  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll build a small exchange tram / bus in Sandvalla, ok?
15:39:29  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :)
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15:40:21  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> hi :p
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15:40:26  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi V453000
15:40:32  <IwantGoThere> <V453000> oh, FIRS
15:40:35  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth adds a few fishing boats
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15:41:54  <Ammler> Terkhen: is that setting also in branch 1.1?
15:42:16  <Ammler> then we could actually change opengfx to dos :-)
15:42:19  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Oh, I thought you built the tram already in Sprögsvall, Terkhen ;-)
15:44:18  <Terkhen> I wanted to build it, but my connection is busy being stupid
15:44:29  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
15:44:29  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ah, ok :S
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15:44:37  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> where do sandvalla peopl want to go
15:44:43  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> anyway... done. Let's see whether it's also a money sink
15:44:43  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ?
15:44:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> most of them to Sprögsvall
15:44:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: to sprögsvall and another name
15:45:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a subsidy in one of the forests we wanted to do later
15:45:33  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for two of them actually
15:45:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should connect handbukten with a bus as well
15:45:52  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> borrow money
15:47:38  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> fine by me
15:49:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll do it :P
15:49:16  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> buses or trams?
15:49:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I'd suggest tram
15:49:45  <Terkhen> Ammler: I think that the setting is only in nightlies
15:49:47  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> tram for mid-range. Bus for local. Train for IC
15:49:54  <Terkhen> also, I don't know if it affects base sets
15:50:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok
15:50:11  <Ammler> Terkhen: that's the point
15:50:19  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> though trams... can do local, too, of course. But then it is clearer ;-)
15:50:29  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: but this is nightly, too, isn't it?
15:50:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes
15:51:01  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: did you tackle any fish so far?
15:51:07  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: some
15:51:07  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but he asked about 1.1
15:51:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we are in profit on fish :)
15:52:09  <Ammler> planetmaker: wihtout backporting the setting, we still need to wait a long time for the convert :-)
15:52:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'd like to connect Malviken and Svästskrona to Mottskrona, and later Mottskrona to Sprögsvall
15:52:54  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what do you think?
15:53:20  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth looks at their destinations
15:53:34  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> too small
15:53:44  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
15:53:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the tram running costs are low?
15:54:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> 1406 €/yr
15:54:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so not really
15:54:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we should get a nice money maker :P
15:54:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have done the most obvious fish route
15:54:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but we'll need a few 100k to do the wood network
15:55:05  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
15:55:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. we have 300k
15:55:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there are seven forests to connect
15:55:20  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> this needs some though
15:55:22  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> t
15:56:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> forests look like the best option, but they will need a big investment
15:56:03  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes
15:56:05  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah
15:56:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> let me think a minute or two
15:56:46  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok
15:56:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have a plan
15:56:54  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's hear it :)
15:57:20  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> connect gnatsund forest and malvalla sawmill by small train
15:57:24  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm.. Much wood wants to go to Enas Papermill
15:57:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from also tow nearby forests
15:57:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Skäddhus and Skynspang
15:58:08  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> IIRC yacd gives priority to established links, once we start sending a lot of wood somewhere  the amounts should grow up
15:58:16  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker: we'll route that via a big exchange at fiskberg forest
15:58:42  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
15:58:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> limited trains :P
15:58:51  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> if we are short on cash we can use HEQS trams
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15:58:56  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and later move to real trains
15:59:22  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from what I see we can afford the link I suggested.
15:59:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :)
15:59:30  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ``
15:59:46  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hopefull ;-)
16:00:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> HEQS trams are quite good to move cargo to a single big station, though
16:00:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we're happy to use a lot of ships?
16:00:20  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't mind ships :P
16:00:27  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, also...
16:00:35  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> also, with the recent changes in trunk they work way better
16:00:43  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but I'm not sure if those changes are in yacd 2.2
16:00:54  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, YAPF (Recommended)
16:00:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> connect fiskberg forest and malvalla forest by ship
16:01:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> then connect malavalla forest and skaddhus forest by tram
16:01:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> err?
16:01:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ships over a mountain?
16:01:54  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... in that route ships are less direct
16:02:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes but we don't pay for infrastructure
16:02:08  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that'd be a perfect tram route
16:02:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there's no water link, andythen0rth
16:02:20  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> potato / potato
16:02:30  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> maybe there are two forests with same name?
16:02:33  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll put signs
16:02:44  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I would just start building, but that's rude :)
16:02:50  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
16:02:54  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there are two Gnastsund forests
16:02:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ho
16:03:05  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he
16:03:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I put some signs near malvalla
16:03:26  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that paper mill is our destination?
16:03:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's Malvalla Forest, andythen0rth
16:03:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> initially
16:04:06  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. Let's put a hub near that Papermill
16:04:16  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> needs to connect via a dock
16:04:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> if we build a train station and attach the dock, it's fine
16:04:39  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I built the dock :)
16:05:09  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> someone building the tram?
16:05:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I still don't understand the plan
16:05:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
16:05:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> he
16:05:26  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> someone does
16:05:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I can see building
16:05:34  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we take everything to that paper mill?
16:05:37  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> no
16:05:47  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> take it to malvalla docks and use local transfers
16:05:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: we could. And from there we distribute
16:06:15  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I suggest we distribute from the paper mill ;-)
16:06:17  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> (I just watch, btw. :-)
16:06:32  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but the paper mill will accept part of the wood
16:06:34  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok the mill is fine
16:06:38  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> my dock is now a waste of money :)
16:06:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> shall I just distant-join a dock for now?
16:06:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the station will need to grow anyway
16:06:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes
16:07:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: you're doing a rail line?
16:07:53  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> who does the ships?
16:07:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll do those in a bit
16:08:03  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we don't need them yet
16:08:05  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what should I do?
16:08:07  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> they'll just suck up our cash
16:08:27  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hu?
16:08:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> when do you need vehicles then?
16:08:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the wood has to get to the station...
16:09:42  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are the trains any good in this set :)
16:09:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I thought your plan was to now ship the wood to Malvalla?
16:10:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'd start the nearest connection first
16:10:16  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I got a bit ahead of myself :)
16:10:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> And I suggest to do the same with  the wood from Skäddhus
16:10:29  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes
16:10:35  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> so either train or tram to skadhus
16:10:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you choose the ship
16:10:49  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> from Skäddhus to Malvalla?
16:10:51  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I'd also ship from skadhus ;-)
16:11:09  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> distant-join a dock?
16:11:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from skaddhus to the cost. from there to malvalla docks. from there to malvalla
16:11:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok
16:11:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no distant join ;-)
16:11:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> trams
16:11:20  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or trucks
16:11:22  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> short truck route or tram
16:11:26  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> lets do that
16:11:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> distant join over 2 or three tiles feels 'ok' to me, more is stretching it. But that's my personal thing
16:12:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> you start, I'll pick it up once I understand the plan :P
16:12:09  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: builds the ships and orders them?
16:12:23  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> two ships. One for a route between each dock?
16:12:29  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> where do these ships go?
16:12:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> both to malvalla docks
16:12:45  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and one to each of the other two
16:12:51  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll do Skäddhus
16:13:01  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so the wood can 'hop' to the paper mill
16:13:01  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the Malvalla Docks was a mistake by me :)
16:13:07  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we'd better use RVs there
16:13:11  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll fix it
16:13:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he
16:13:24  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. ok
16:14:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> May I build a rail route betwen Enas Mills and Mallas?
16:14:41  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> clay from skaudhus by boat?
16:15:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't have money for the raft
16:15:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> borrow some ;)
16:15:21  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ^
16:15:35  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker where's the rail rout?
16:15:49  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll refit the raft to low capacity for now
16:15:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> near the coast
16:16:09  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> from enas to where?
16:16:19  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from Malvalla (where we are) to Enas Mills where much wants to go
16:16:39  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'd build the rail to fiskberg forest, then ships from there
16:16:45  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I guess I'll build it. It's about 50 ... 70k
16:17:03  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should consolidate wood at fiskberg
16:17:13  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> a *lot* of wood will go via there
16:17:24  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sign?
16:17:31  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> this?
16:17:33  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you'll need room for a big station just there
16:17:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> h
16:17:43  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> with a dock
16:17:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Nah, Malvalla will be the hub, I think
16:18:11  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I think it will turn out to be two hubs
16:18:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> with a spine between them
16:18:21  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> those road staions aren't optimal for loading
16:18:39  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> no, I'll improve them once we have money
16:19:41  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker if there's no hub at fiskberg, there are four forests in the south that will have to go all the way to malvalla
16:19:59  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or we could use gnastsund as a hub
16:20:01  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but the terrain doesn't lend itself. But we shall see.
16:20:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> The constellation would fit, though
16:20:27  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, lot of fish waiting, I'll add more ships
16:21:42  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> hehe
16:21:52  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> isn't the rail depot wrong?
16:22:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
16:22:21  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> :-D
16:22:56  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thx Amm1er
16:23:03  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetmaker - we'll build the hub at gnatsund town, not overlapping any forest
16:23:15  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why that?
16:23:21  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> That doesn't make sense
16:23:43  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> having a wood hub at a wood saves one station and two junctions
16:23:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
16:24:31  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and I still think that Malvalla itself is good: the three in the East and the 4 in South would then tram or ship to there
16:25:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or... two such hubs... one - as you said near Gnasksund or between the two forrests East of it. And other further East of Malvalla
16:25:25  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes
16:27:27  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we need to connect Skoggslätt Sawmill
16:27:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> train, ferry, tram?
16:28:03  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ferry terminal at Skynspang Forest?
16:28:37  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wow, that thing is really far away
16:28:43  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not really
16:28:58  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not further than the other way ;-)
16:29:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and distance = money
16:29:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'd prefer train, it is possible to set up railways near the border of the map
16:29:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> where should we connect the two Gnastsund forests?
16:31:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm
16:31:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's go for what andy suggested initially: A separate hub
16:31:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Malvalla Heights
16:31:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll connect the forests to it
16:32:03  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> andythen0rth: you should "borrow" the mines from ogfx+industries
16:33:30  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> hmm, shouldn't the clay pit be snow awarness?
16:33:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> *should*
16:33:58  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> yes, didn0t you make those sprites?
16:35:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: for now I'll go for the ferry solution to the distance paper mill. But in the middle run, a train connection is indeed better
16:36:02  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there, trams set
16:40:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> are we swimming in cash already? :P
16:40:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not at all
16:40:32  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D
16:42:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of wood waiting at Malvalla
16:42:07  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth had to feed the baby
16:42:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: yes, that wants probably go to the distant saw mill over the ocean ;-)
16:43:06  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... though... maybe not
16:44:16  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> if train has full load at Malvalla, how should it load at Malvalla Heights
16:44:30  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> oh, you changed
16:44:32  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I'll refit the trams to higher capacities instead of adding new ones
16:45:22  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> malvalla sawmill needs a connection
16:45:54  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes... by tram I suggest
16:46:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll do it, we can use the existing tram
16:47:07  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> trains for the clay, or a boat?
16:47:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... maybe I should use the highest capacity ones and just run a circle
16:47:33  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sounds like a plan, Terkh3n
16:47:37  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: boat
16:48:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> malvalla hates us
16:48:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I can't build a dock there
16:48:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I know
16:48:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we are approaching max loan :P
16:48:29  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> trees :-P
16:49:23  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what ship to use for 100s of tons of wood?
16:49:25  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> hmm, you don't have much money to rise rating
16:49:27  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the tug refit to max?
16:51:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> conditional orders mess up YACD?
16:51:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
16:51:09  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> MEH
16:51:31  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh well, I hope the trams are big enough to not run into stations with a full load
16:53:41  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> more capacity malvalla - enas?
16:53:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> just pondering about it. yes
16:54:12  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> you need a 2nd ship at Malborg
16:54:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we don't want to run too much
16:54:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I just changed the train orders to not full load anywhere.
16:55:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> for bi-directional traffic that's usually a bad thing. And that showed
16:55:33  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of wood waiting at Malvalla Wood Terminal
16:56:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
16:56:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. we can't afford a train
16:56:17  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are we making money at the moment?
16:56:19  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> please save the money, it indeed needs one
16:56:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, let's wait
16:56:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm...
16:56:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> why aren't the trams picking up wood at malvalla?
16:57:03  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we'd be profitable - just if we hadn't bought anything new
16:57:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ah, sorry, they are picking it
16:57:19  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> is this ship transfer at Malborg for fun?
16:57:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no
16:57:44  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's delivering most wood on the map
16:57:50  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> so why didn't you finish the line?
16:57:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, we need more ships there
16:58:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's going to Malborough quarry
16:58:21  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or what do you mean?
16:58:23  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: we should refit that raft to 400 once it comes back
16:58:53  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he. maybe
16:59:00  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth looks for next level of network
16:59:03  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the 2nd last trip I upgraded already to 240
16:59:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I have added a new raft there with 400
16:59:22  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
16:59:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we don't have enough goods in production for a goods network yet
16:59:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok
16:59:49  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we should do a food network for growing towns :)
16:59:55  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> milk can be highly profitable
17:00:09  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ooh
17:00:12  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and healthy, will it make towns grow faster?
17:00:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bandspang
17:00:21  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> dairy + stockyard
17:00:31  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and many livestock farms in NE of map
17:00:34  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> ships have too high running costs
17:00:52  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Amm1er: next version should feature adjustable costs ;)
17:00:59  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but really they already make a lot of money
17:01:09  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bear in mind you don't buy infrastructure for them
17:01:23  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> it is < 10k
17:02:15  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hub near barrstad farm?
17:02:45  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for a food network?
17:02:55  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> milk + livestock initially yes
17:03:01  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it as about 7 farms...
17:03:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> you should wait until the wood network has all required trains, but the placement looks okay
17:03:06  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, I see a lot of red things there :)
17:03:12  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> how much is a train?
17:03:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> about 30k
17:03:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> + tracks + stations
17:03:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> wait until we have 100k?
17:03:34  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can you add more trains at Malvalla?
17:03:41  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth has to bath the baby etc
17:03:43  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it has about 800 tonnes waiting
17:03:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> that's like 1 hour
17:04:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the capacity is currently more tracks than trains. I'll upgrade it
17:05:09  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok
17:05:23  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we are getting better profits now
17:06:33  <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> train3 is way too small
17:12:45  <IwantGoThere> *** Amm1er has left the game (leaving)
17:14:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what info does the link map shows?
17:14:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's find out :-)
17:15:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, I forgot to increase the size of one of the stations
17:15:12  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it shows somehow where our cargo flows
17:15:30  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> IIRC it was cargo waiting or something like that
17:15:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the thickness iirc relates to the amount
17:16:04  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-(
17:16:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he lengthened the train but not the drop station
17:16:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that was me
17:16:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
17:16:35  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> done
17:19:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok what project next, Terkh3n?
17:20:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't know
17:20:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wood is working fine now
17:20:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we should some other cargo and do the same as with wood. yes
17:20:50  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'd go with either food or farm supplies
17:20:58  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> food for making towns grow, supplies for making our forests grow
17:21:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> farm supplies then
17:21:47  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> though... is that feasible?
17:21:50  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> in my last FIRS game I used the lime kiln for that
17:22:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but I don't know if we will be able to deliver supplies properly
17:22:19  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> probably not, unless we found a lime kiln near our forests
17:22:37  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, near is no necessity
17:22:55  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> check a lime kiln, farm supplies have their preferences too
17:22:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but they have no input. So we first need stone and coal
17:23:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> or any other industry producing supplies
17:23:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we need to do base cargos first
17:23:46  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so... coal? stone?
17:24:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> bah...
17:24:44  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there are not many quarries / coal mines
17:24:51  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, industry windows need to re-size to the cargo destination string lengths
17:25:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, that would be nice
17:25:24  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but IMO they are too long
17:25:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. two quarries?
17:25:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
17:26:42  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> maybe we should start with food as andy proposed
17:27:04  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok. You do food. I do coal + quarries
17:27:06  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :)
17:27:08  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we can do that meanwhile
17:28:58  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. most coal will go by ship ;-)
17:29:02  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :)
17:29:16  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Look near Malbuken. It lends itself as shipping harbout
17:29:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Malbukten
17:29:36  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> true :)
17:29:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no land connections for 2/3 of coal mines ;-)
17:34:53  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll start with livestock and add milk later, the dairies are further away
17:35:55  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I need to do a bridge with length 30
17:36:13  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ferry
17:36:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh
17:36:33  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm...
17:36:55  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I use it for all the way or use the train to send cargo as close as possible?
17:43:57  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, a subsidy just when I finished :)
17:46:47  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth back for a bit
17:46:53  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi
17:46:55  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> did we make any money yet?
17:47:09  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I thought we did but it is gone
17:48:33  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> something is generating a lot of cash :)
17:48:35  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker is doing coal/stone, I started with the dairy farms
17:48:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, wood is working already :)
17:49:29  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> lot of cash is relative ;-)
17:49:31  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could use farm supplies
17:49:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we still have 300k loan
17:49:36  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> farms are small
17:49:38  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
17:49:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: I would use mixed trains for livestock / milk
17:49:46  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm working on coal
17:49:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the cycle time for each train will be faster
17:49:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> needed to build a major hub ;-)
17:49:58  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... true
17:50:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll order them to go to a depot after this delivery
17:50:22  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> urgs.
17:50:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 60k for an island trader?
17:50:51  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D
17:53:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm
17:53:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the utility tugs are too small even for farms :P
17:53:42  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but the other ships are too big so I'll use them
17:58:08  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth looks for a potential spine route
17:58:26  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> spine routes are good for mixed trains of food, goods, bdmt, chemicals etc
17:59:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I built near Enas a (major) hub station
17:59:19  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> give it a dock at some point
17:59:33  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we can ship stuff from near morksaker
17:59:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> when needed, no problem
18:00:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> a malvalla  - bandspang rail line is probably wise too
18:00:08  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. done
18:00:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is a shame that the mixed farms are so far away
18:00:33  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why do you worry about distance?
18:00:36  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, I forgot to check sheep farms
18:00:46  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I was going to mention those ;)
18:00:52  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
18:00:54  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could get more cargo now if they were closer :P
18:01:01  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hydrofoil became available
18:01:07  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ah, sheep farms are here :)
18:01:11  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth suggest some pax shipping
18:01:34  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Sandvalla has grown quite a bit
18:01:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> go for it
18:01:40  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we have 200k loan left?
18:01:40  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> maybe we should put another town to grow too
18:03:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I connect the sheep farms with another train hub or keep using different road stops?
18:04:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hub near tyondberg somewhere
18:04:26  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool, I can use that for the ships too
18:05:20  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh, no money
18:05:24  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> borrow some
18:05:32  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth wants to buy a 60k hydrofoil
18:06:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: it'd be great IMHO, if we could get rid of loan somewhen...
18:06:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you don't like loan?
18:06:35  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I always figure that 500k will make more profit than it costs in interest :)
18:08:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... stupid mountain
18:10:41  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh
18:10:43  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and now they hate us
18:11:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> build single track, upgrade later ;)
18:11:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> given how poorly is the track placed I can't blame them
18:12:02  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we can't afford a hydrofoil
18:12:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll buy a small boat :P
18:14:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> someone feels like connecting Malmhus DOCK to all industries there which want coal?
18:14:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> on that island?
18:14:35  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is putting the baby to bed :)
18:14:41  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I still need to connect all farms at the north
18:14:43  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bbl
18:14:54  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> unless you want to break for food ?
18:15:08  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is too soon for me but we can have a break if you want :P
18:22:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> our money is jumping a lot :P
18:22:12  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> are you playing with the loan?
18:22:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I just borrowed everything we can
18:22:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
18:22:20  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, ok :P
18:22:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> then is clear how much we can wast ;-)
18:22:32  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> in Tvöndberg they still hate us
18:22:42  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I wonder if I should mass clear trees and then replant
18:22:44  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> in Sandstad also
18:23:02  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> this is blocking three of the farms
18:23:28  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> how much does it cost?
18:23:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, I seriously need 65k for a larger ship...
18:24:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> go ahead :)
18:24:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> this can wait
18:24:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there's still 200k
18:27:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> done, I can continue now :)
18:27:42  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I won't build any trains until you are done with ships, though
18:32:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... doing coal is a bit... stupid. Just connecting every industry which can somehow accept it... with a somewhat boring link of sorts...
18:32:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could connect only those industries we are interested on
18:33:10  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah... but the coal mine wants a somewhat good rating. That's why
18:33:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, true :/
18:33:25  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with 35% they'll die most likely
18:33:31  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and that's what we're at now
18:33:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and it changes so often that it really needs every industry which accepts coal
18:34:19  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thus... actually in competitive play the usual station rating handling is very bad.
18:34:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> only the best two players would get coal. While, say, 4 could use it to supply their industries...
18:35:23  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> would bigger frequency for primary industries help with that?
18:35:37  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I guess, yes
18:35:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the ratio primary / secondary needs serious re-balancing with yacd
18:36:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> opengfx+ industries could change the probabilities accordingly if yacd is enabled
18:36:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yacd could use well a 5:1 for primary : secondary or so
18:36:23  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that would be the "fix" for default industries
18:36:37  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes...
18:37:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, they are mad again
18:37:35  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I really should remember to build road stops before roads
18:51:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> puh. seems all connection of the two current coal mines are done. somewhat
18:51:08  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I wonder though if any will run a profit
18:51:38  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D
18:51:48  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the farm boats don't
18:52:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I doubt that most of the farm stuff will give profits
18:52:16  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> some coal boats don't either
18:53:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... what really sucks is that I can't buy one BIG boat which will ship lumber, coal, wood, ... whatever
18:53:48  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> everything in 30t range probably
18:54:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, that would be great for yacd
18:55:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... when I earlier said "I need 60k for a bigger boat" I didn't mean additionally to the existing 30k boat...
18:55:08  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but there's still coal waiting :-D
18:55:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
18:56:05  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the trains do not arrive at the food industries frequently enough
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18:56:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, I'm missing the link to the other two
18:56:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, that neither.
18:56:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> timing and yacd is NOT easy...
18:56:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> timing doesn't make much sense with yacd
18:57:13  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as such... FIRS should not require the "withing one month" with yacd
18:57:24  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that makes sense, yes
18:57:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I need a VERY big ship
18:57:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it was not a missing train, but missing shipping capacity at Enhättan Woods
18:58:07  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the Patraikos is not big enough? :P
18:58:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P $$$$
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18:59:18  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> island trader will do for now. hopefully
18:59:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so... now, quite a few lime killns have coal
19:00:23  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> time for dinner, bbl
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19:00:37  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> enjoy
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19:08:22  <andythenorth> planetmaker: back to the game?
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19:31:04  <planetmaker> yes, we could go on half an hour or so
19:31:35  <Terkhen> I'm back, we can start when you want :)
19:31:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm still ingame
19:32:03  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> moving to specator is sufficient to stop the server ;-)
19:32:10  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> (if there's no one in a company)
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19:33:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I found an analogy: w/o yacd one has to send small vehicles from , say, farm to farm.
19:33:41  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> now you can use a usual tran and just drive a circle
19:33:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> same thing, just slightly different
19:34:03  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I should adapt my trains to do that :P
19:34:21  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I start with the ship link to the remaining food industries?
19:34:35  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D
19:34:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Coal waiting in masses at Malborg
19:35:29  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I didn't quite look at the food link in detail
19:35:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but ship links are easiest to setup
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19:35:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and this map lends itself to ship links
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19:36:13  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we ok for money?
19:36:28  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> can I have 100k to spend on my plans?
19:36:58  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> obviously
19:37:13  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :)
19:38:31  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we now own a hydrofoil
19:38:46  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool :)
19:38:52  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> meh
19:38:56  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think we should have another big town
19:39:02  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> FISH nightly has 12t boats, and 60t boats
19:39:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> they are useful
19:39:08  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Sandvalla is already growing, and Oskarslätt will grow further
19:39:11  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the 4t tugs are too small
19:39:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, 12t would be useful
19:39:32  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what is missing for a FISH release?
19:39:38  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> graphics :P
19:39:40  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :)
19:41:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I still don't understand why industries are so picky with were they send cargo
19:41:34  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> assigning destinations on distance is great for passengers, goods and so on, but not so much for metal or coal
19:42:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there is an obvious route needed to trynnhattan steel mill
19:42:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll do it if we're ok for cash?
19:42:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think we're fine now
19:42:34  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we have max loan. So we can freely spend what we have, but no € more ;-)
19:42:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so yes, we're fine
19:42:44  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> inflow is good
19:47:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: we should be able to get a flow of ore from tryndhattan to enas now
19:47:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> possibly by adding ore cars to an existing train
19:48:24  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> from where?
19:48:35  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> trynnhattan mills
19:48:49  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we could walk the station at enas to cover the mill there
19:48:55  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or use a truck
19:50:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I know where Enas mills is... but Trynn...
19:50:08  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'd not change the coal trains.
19:50:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Use separate trains
19:50:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, there
19:50:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... yes, use separate, still
19:50:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok
19:50:59  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is building bus routes elsewhere {;)}
19:51:22  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you connect, you build vehicles :-P
19:51:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll do it next
19:51:42  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I need to see if we can load anything else on that route
19:51:53  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I prefer mixed trains to unit trains with yacd
19:51:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm not convinced that mixed trains are good
19:52:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> they suck up network capacity like hell
19:52:17  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and station capacity.
19:52:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and are MUCH worse to manage
19:52:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> faster cycle time though per cargo
19:52:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm out of managing them, if you mix ;-)
19:52:44  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok
19:52:46  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> fair enough
19:53:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> once farms start producing more than 18 units / month I'll change from mixed to normal :)
19:53:10  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I started an experiment with coal and stone up East. I don't think it's a success
19:53:36  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there are exceptions, like farms. But... not like this is the same route, let's mix
19:53:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> mixed is better for secondary cargos
19:53:54  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> how?
19:53:56  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> just like real life :P
19:54:10  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... with firs requirements... right
19:54:32  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, that makes sense.
19:54:36  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> still ugly ;-)
19:54:50  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with yacd I consider that a firs bug ;-)
19:55:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> without yacd it's a nice challengt ;-)
19:55:03  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> told you FIRS had yacd issues :P
19:55:14  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I never played it with yacd ;-)
19:56:56  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> no CHIPS stations? :o
19:56:59  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, it is quite complicated
19:57:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I have a CHIPS station menu
19:58:56  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: I shouldn't build dumb simple train junctions
19:58:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ?
19:59:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> depends. It's not like I built here intelligently
19:59:26  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll build
19:59:29  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think so, we don't have enough trains to worry about that
19:59:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> if it's a problem, we fix it
19:59:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But it gets to a point slowly where IMHO we need 'good' network quality
19:59:48  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D
20:00:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, I want to do passengers
20:00:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
20:00:31  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm going to make things grow
20:00:38  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> please do!
20:01:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that junction on Enås is made for a lot of traffic, right?
20:01:20  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the hub?
20:01:34  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm supposing that because I can't understand it :P
20:01:38  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: south of Enås
20:01:44  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, it's meant to take be a place to exchange some cargo
20:01:44  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> near the hub, yes
20:01:58  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, then I'll keep Enås out of my plans :)
20:01:58  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh... that junction.
20:02:12  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well... in #openttdcoop we call it a simple junction ;-)
20:02:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's not double-tracked, it has still crossing tracks partially ;-)
20:02:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but it will do
20:02:58  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> better than the station which is capacity-wise smaller than the junction
20:03:01  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for me a simple junction is what I placed north of yours :P
20:03:15  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P
20:03:38  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have just placed world's dumbest junction near trynnhattan
20:03:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm thinking on lots of hydrofoils/hovercrafts for mid range, trams for towns nearby and aircrafts for communicating the north and the south directly
20:03:55  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> outch
20:04:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: go for it :)
20:05:11  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: may I re-build that to a tram service?
20:05:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: that ore service?
20:05:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
20:05:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> if you wish yes
20:05:42  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I have the feeling that the hill station will see lots of traffic
20:05:44  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> extra infrastructure expense :P
20:05:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and... this train feeder won't help then ;-)
20:06:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there is a train at trertkoping mines that will need rereouting
20:06:16  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it takes ore to enas
20:06:34  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it could wait at trynhattan for the ore
20:06:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no
20:06:50  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or the tram brings it in
20:07:00  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but you still need a junction then :P
20:09:43  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> solved the cheap way
20:09:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are we building canals?
20:09:59  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh... hovercrafts are expensive
20:10:05  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> trams will do for now
20:10:31  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: you have a plan for train 19?
20:13:58  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, we need money
20:14:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: pax malvalla klastholm
20:14:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> (when we have cash)
20:14:29  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> sounds good, I'll set busses on both towns
20:14:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we've got enough for a small boat as well
20:15:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
20:15:47  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> some fish congestion at fiskberg :P
20:15:56  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of wood waiting at Knulfors
20:16:15  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll look at it soon
20:16:17  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> looks like we couldn't afford enough platforms?
20:16:19  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or town hates us?
20:16:29  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> town hates us :P
20:16:31  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> they hate us
20:16:37  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> all towns hate us
20:16:48  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> if we don't transport sugar beet in this game, I'm removing it from FIRS
20:16:54  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I have yet to use it in a game
20:17:08  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I wonder why I built buoys but never used it on the ship orders
20:17:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> s/it/them/
20:17:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: sugar beet was one of the things I was transporting on my last game
20:17:37  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I was using that and grain to get fuel oil / chemicals
20:18:19  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, it is called petrol in english
20:18:31  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> anyways, petrol for getting supplies and chemicals for goods
20:19:05  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> initially I used chemicals to get even more metal but using them directly for goods was faster
20:20:51  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should ship wood to brunnlov mill
20:21:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we have a route most of the way
20:21:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lot of iron ore waiting at Trertköping mines
20:21:28  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but there is a train loading right now, slowly...
20:21:39  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why is it waiting there?
20:21:45  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's waiting for train 19 which can't get there :P
20:21:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: you can use autocomplete for town names too
20:21:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> thanks
20:21:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why not?
20:22:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: you cut it's route :)
20:23:23  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ooh
20:23:37  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: are you planning to ship clay from Enslätt clay pit?
20:25:16  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I was promised loads of money for playing with passengers, you are clearly not working hard enough
20:25:18  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
20:25:29  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P
20:25:55  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: are we scrapping train 19 now?
20:26:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes
20:26:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: regarding the Malborg - Knulfors link, I'm going to add a few more rafts and give them different orders (no full load at all)
20:26:06  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we could repurpose it for other routes
20:26:12  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they are waiting a lot at Malborg
20:26:12  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I built two from Trynnhätten to enas
20:26:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> meh
20:26:22  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> train 19 is stuck in a depot off other routes
20:26:24  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> repurpose?
20:26:30  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll scrap it
20:26:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> a
20:26:48  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sell  and buy for purpose ;-)
20:27:38  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you didn't like my junction :P
20:27:54  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 2*45° is a speed killer 1st grade
20:28:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> xDD
20:28:46  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should run clay from Enslätt clay pit to Trynnhättan brick works
20:28:53  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but we could use trucks or trains
20:28:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. I totally overloaded the stone link to the East island ;-)
20:29:26  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> train
20:29:37  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> share orders with the sand and stone train
20:29:43  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... how do I solve the Ängelslätt - Brårrstad problem?
20:29:49  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Trynhattan is a hub
20:29:55  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it's not like the farm is producing enough for 85t ships
20:29:57  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ach
20:30:00  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that extension - right now - just a feeder on the same line ;-)
20:30:02  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> that should just be one big train :P
20:30:59  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so it was you, andy, who in the East at Skoglätts Wood sent a tile 8 train to a tile 3 station? ;-)
20:31:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I think not :P
20:31:30  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> did you extend the station to length 8?
20:31:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> at Knulfors Dock?
20:31:54  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> must have been Terkh3n
20:32:04  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P
20:34:07  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Knulfors still hates us :-(
20:37:25  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: any idea what's going on with train 12?
20:37:31  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's stuck
20:38:09  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, I extended Knulfors
20:38:40  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-)
20:39:02  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I found back then the station full of wood and the train unloading probably for 3 months already
20:39:20  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, I fixed it as soon as the train left the station
20:39:32  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: train 12 could also be a clay link from Sprögsvall east
20:39:34  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, we are already at 1971 and still not swimming in cash?
20:40:00  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> how much do you want? :P
20:40:14  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we could just about buy the biggest ship right now :)
20:40:14  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> enough to swim in it
20:44:10  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I think the "best" network layout for yacd is like regional hubs with *everything*
20:44:18  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes
20:44:25  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> trains running between those to exchange goods
20:44:27  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> fed by ships and rvs
20:44:46  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and around these (smaller) ones visiting in a circle the recipients of the cargo as well as the suppliers
20:44:52  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or that
20:44:54  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: we should start moving bdmt and steel out of Trynnhättan
20:45:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and yes, in my last game I ran trunk trains on mainlines
20:45:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> h
20:45:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> h
20:45:20  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> with switch jobs going round-robin of local industries
20:45:26  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> timetabled not full-load
20:45:34  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> some of them lost money forever :P
20:45:36  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> only trucks is fun :)
20:46:10  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh...
20:46:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think I found a bug
20:46:23  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> go to Ängelslätt
20:46:41  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I sold the small ships and replaced them with larger ones
20:46:43  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> did you upgrade that ship from another?
20:46:45  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the cargo is not going into the new ships
20:46:45  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes?
20:46:47  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> run them on the route
20:46:49  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> no, I bought them
20:46:52  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> i.e. skip to next
20:46:55  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, ok
20:47:06  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but why does this happen?
20:47:08  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> dunno
20:47:10  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bug
20:47:17  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll report it
20:47:31  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he... Ängelslätt is also an old maya temple with a few modern buildings on top, eh?
20:47:49  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D
20:48:31  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> anyone planning to spend cash right now?
20:48:37  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth needs to....invest
20:48:57  <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> always go for it
20:49:00  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> well... there are enough passengers for stablishing an air link between Sandvalla and Beckarp :P
20:49:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but that should wait
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20:53:28  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> canals are cheap in this game?
20:53:33  <planetmaker> I'll head for bed.
20:53:37  <planetmaker> All prices are default
20:53:47  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> good night planetmaker :)
20:53:52  <planetmaker> so a terraforming a tile of water is 60k
20:53:53  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is quite addicted :)
20:53:56  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> good night
20:54:01  <planetmaker> have fun, I'll look tomorrow :-)
20:54:05  <IwantGoThere> * Terkh3n too
20:55:23  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can I buy another hovercraft?
20:55:26  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> 220k
20:55:29  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> why not
20:56:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :)
21:02:58  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: brb
21:04:13  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok
21:06:55  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's try aircrafts :)
21:07:26  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wow, the running costs are crazy
21:07:33  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll wait :/
21:07:59  <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth is linking the oil fields
21:09:09  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :)
21:11:35  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's try the aircraft :P
21:12:58  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> heh, they can be refitted to alcohol
21:13:05  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> indeed :)
21:15:04  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> time to replace some logging trams?
21:15:15  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> indeed, they are really slow
21:15:26  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think that a single train or two could do the same work
21:16:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it seems that the aircrafts give a nice profit :)
21:16:55  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> good
21:17:05  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's keep them for a year to be sure
21:17:25  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> if they give a good margin I'll replace them with bigger, more expensive ones
21:23:36  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm
21:23:46  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I don't like amending train routes made by others :P
21:23:52  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P
21:25:19  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should replace the steam locomotives?
21:25:38  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm.... I think so, yes
21:26:04  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there must be faster replacements already
21:27:34  <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: bed time for me :)
21:27:36  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there, aircrafts replaced
21:27:42  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll follow soon :)
21:27:44  <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> good night andythen0rth
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