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While it would be better to ship the cargo first to a hub and then allow to distrube to other industries and other more distant hubs 08:16:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but that concept is nearly not followed at all 08:16:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... lots of cargo waiting in many stations :( 08:16:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and that ^is the result 08:16:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 08:16:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as there's no quick and easy way to fix that as everything is individual lines which are very hard to manage 08:17:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-O you spent 500k? 08:17:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> way more than that 08:17:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> aircrafts are expensive :) 08:17:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I mean since you joined? Oh, ok 08:18:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> more like a million 08:19:00 *** andythenorth_ has joined #openttdcoop.dev 08:19:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, I'd like refit in stations here 08:19:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the buses cannot handle the links inside Sandvalla anymore 08:19:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll use an hydrofoil 08:24:42 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:25:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> those who extended Malvalla WOOD TERMINAL by another track forgot a crucial connection. Sending trains around the map 08:25:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that wasn't me 08:26:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I just wondered why trains didn't turn at the station. They couldn't get back ;-) 08:27:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> brb 08:27:58 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has joined spectators 08:29:59 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has joined company #1 08:40:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> this will take more time than I thought :) 08:40:10 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (leaving) 08:50:46 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving) 08:50:46 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:58:31 *** andythenorth_ has quit IRC 09:08:53 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 09:08:54 <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 09:08:56 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 09:11:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 09:19:33 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth joined the game 09:19:54 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has joined company #1 09:20:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> moin andythen0rth 09:20:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> morning 09:21:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'm trying to understand a clay link from Enhättan to malmus dock 09:21:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I modified a clay link this morning 09:21:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I added a train and shortened the ship route 09:21:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 09:22:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and there's a ship route to between two other docks which has no purpose (yet) 09:22:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there's a second route that is not between anywhere that has clay 09:22:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 09:22:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> will you object if I mix trams and RVs? 09:22:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> doesn't matter though 09:23:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the ship will travel anyway. So it can do something useful via refit on the return route 09:25:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> jam at malvalla ? 09:26:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> chips stations look nice 09:26:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and are damn easy to use 09:26:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yarp 09:26:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I decided life is too short to spend building stations 09:26:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but not too short to spend time drawing stations :P 09:26:59 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: we need to get goods etc moving 09:27:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :) 09:27:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> get going 09:27:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I build the stone links 09:27:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but now I rebuild Malvalla WOOD TERMINAL 09:27:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I am a bit uncertain about touching the train networks 09:27:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> to become a general major terminal capable of handling the traffic 09:29:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> now it looks much nicer :-) 09:31:00 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> m 09:32:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: are you expanding malvalla 09:32:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> might be a good place to ship goods + lumber + mnsp from 09:33:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'd prefer to integrate that in Malvalla WOOD TERMINAL 09:33:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 09:33:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> too many hubs make for very bad scaling 09:36:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> reason is: Malvalla WOOD TERMINAL can still be extended as it has space to the coast 09:36:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: Gnastsund forest is still unconnected 09:36:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> feel free for sure to attache a dock 09:36:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 09:36:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> not sure how you want to do that 09:37:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ship also to Malvall WOOD TERMINAL via tram 09:37:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> meh 09:37:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> nasty bridge over the rail lines :P 09:37:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> where? 09:37:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> to get to the water 09:37:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or cheat 09:37:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> one station... 09:37:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> distant-join it 09:38:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or a truck route all the way... 09:38:20 <IwantGoThere> *** Progman joined the game 09:38:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there :-P 09:38:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it needs to grow anyway 09:38:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 09:38:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> new clay pit just got built 09:38:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> good 09:38:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> at Kramstad 09:40:57 <IwantGoThere> *** Progman has left the game (leaving) 09:41:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I removed the WOOD from the name 09:42:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as also coal and stone get routed there 09:42:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :) 09:42:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are all forests connected? 09:42:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I think so 09:43:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> dunno. Probably now 09:48:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: max train length? 09:48:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 5 09:48:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ho 09:48:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> at least that's what stations are built for 09:48:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> how short :) 09:48:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> normal 09:49:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> short is 3 and less 09:49:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> normal varies by context :) 09:49:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 5 = openttd default 09:49:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 09:49:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> take vanilla openttd and look at station length ;-) 09:50:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> good. stone can now be distributed from the major rail hubs, too 09:51:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I want BigGUI 09:51:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and font selection / size GUI 09:52:29 <Terkhen> review that patch in the forums :P 09:52:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 09:52:53 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth builds an ugly station at brunnlov 09:52:55 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> needs to be a hub 09:52:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> terkhen: worse: I'll have to write it for Mac. The patch there does not help me at all 09:53:06 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n joined the game 09:53:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> true :) 09:53:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> That was the first thing I looked for :-P 09:54:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... 09:54:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> passenger overflow :O 09:54:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the link view is VERY helpful 09:54:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yarp 09:54:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the only thing missing here is a demand view 09:54:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I miss metro trains for transport in the same town 09:54:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 09:54:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> trams 09:55:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hydrofoils 09:55:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> capacity 45 can't compare to 180 :) 09:55:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> also, I can't use hydrofoil when the stations are inland 09:56:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, I can use canals 09:56:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 09:56:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yep. venice-town-stle :-) 09:58:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: there's indeed with FIRS one thing where mixed trains make sense: for trains which visit ALL industries near a hub. Like it is somewhat done in Malmhus DOCK 09:58:19 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> sparta! 09:58:20 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 joined the game 09:58:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But there is clear how things go 09:58:34 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 has joined spectators 09:58:56 <IwantGoThere> * planetm4ker awaits V's scorn for the bad network style {;-)} 09:58:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi V453000 09:59:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hello :-) 09:59:11 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 09:59:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> meh. scared away 09:59:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> maybe it was too bad :P 09:59:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's awesome :) 09:59:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> scared by the awesomeness 09:59:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 10:00:03 <V453000> or this. .D 10:00:07 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 has left the game (general error) 10:00:28 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 joined the game 10:01:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> typical 'chaos style' game ;-) 10:01:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> built to need 10:01:28 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> that is fine but I dont get why do you use 2way PBS signals where 1ways should be 10:01:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> where? 10:01:43 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> everywhere 10:01:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I should not use 1-way pbs anywhere 10:02:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as it usually does not matter 10:02:12 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> it actually does 10:02:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as it's followed by one-way block signals 10:02:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I need airbus 380 :( 10:02:51 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> as far as I know, trains stop _at_ the 1way PBS, where trains stop 1 tile _before_ 2way PBS 10:02:54 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> in case they stop there 10:03:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> doesn't sound right 10:03:30 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> it was always that way 10:03:32 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> I think 10:03:54 <IwantGoThere> <V453000> it happened in the very oldest saves I have and I think it happens now 10:03:56 <IwantGoThere> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 10:04:14 <V453000> mah wifi meltdown 10:05:15 <V453000> anyway, there still is no reason why not to use 1way PBS on 1way tracks ;) 10:05:28 <V453000> besides laziness :P 10:05:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh andythen0rth 10:05:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what did you do with Brunnlöv HUB 10:06:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> waited for you to fix it ;) 10:06:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> your orders screwed up the WHOL network in the East 10:06:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> oh :( 10:06:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> that wasn't the intention :( 10:06:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> sorry 10:06:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> a jam of about a dozen trains was just there... 10:06:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> is the game lagging a bit for you? 10:07:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> not more than usual 10:07:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what do they provide or deliver? 10:07:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh no. mixed clay and goods... 10:07:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, someone is messing with the connection again 10:07:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and they go ALL the way to Enas?! 10:08:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yarp 10:08:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> not if they're stuck though :) 10:08:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's asking for trouble, mixing local delivery and long-range transport 10:08:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> enas is local? 10:08:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 10:08:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we can feed from enas to enas hub 10:09:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Trains should not pass trhough Trynnhättan Mills 10:09:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> It's terminal for both directions 10:09:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ? 10:09:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> can we bypass it? 10:09:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> especially for trains which also transport clay from Enslätt Quarry 10:09:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> stupid aircrafts 10:09:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> like those goods trains do, too 10:09:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they are really slow 10:10:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> please, andy, no long-range mixed trains 10:10:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> meh 10:10:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not between hubs 10:10:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 10:10:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I don't know how we'll get the secondary cargos moving though 10:10:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> except by very short trains 10:10:59 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> maybe by short trains then? 10:11:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> if it keeps things easier for you 10:11:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> short range, only from the closest hub to the industry: there you can use mixed. 10:11:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but you used mixed completely accross the map 10:11:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 10:11:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's the best way I've found to establish links 10:12:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> otherwise you have to build 5 or 6 unit trains for every one mixed train you could build 10:12:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but I'm happy to do it differently 10:13:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: the point of long-range happily mixing: you cannot adjust anything and you have guaranteed 50% empty. Or WAY too big stations 10:13:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with dedicated trains, maybe refitting at hubs, you have way better track usage 10:15:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 10:16:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> track efficiency is better wrt cargo transported 10:16:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and that's important for long-range 10:16:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> stations have to be quite big 10:16:22 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth likes small stations :) 10:16:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> (number tracks) 10:16:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> anyway I leave trains to you 10:16:40 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth has to work soon 10:18:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I can't and I don't want to do all trains 10:18:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But we have to agree on how we build the network 10:18:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Or it will stay the mess it mostly is 10:18:56 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> unit trains? 10:20:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what do you mean with 'unit trains'? 10:21:13 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> 1 cargo only 10:21:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ooooh, real trams! :) 10:21:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I can work with 90 capacity 10:22:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> is Enhättan dock a hub or otherwise? 10:22:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we should have naming conventions for hubs, lines and so on :) 10:23:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Yes :-) and yes 10:23:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> DOCK and HUB is the same from my naming 10:23:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> DOCK just had a dock as well ;-) 10:23:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> HUBDOCK :P 10:23:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> on my passengers games with YACD, I usually labeled "node" towns with # at the beginning 10:23:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's call them simply hub 10:27:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> can we expand Enhättan hub to cover the refinery? 10:32:18 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth has to go 10:32:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bbl 10:32:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :) 10:32:28 <Terkhen> see you later andythenorth 10:32:32 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 10:32:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> enjoy 10:34:17 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:34:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but yacd and firs make for really interesting network challenges 10:34:43 <IwantGoThere> * planetm4ker likes 10:34:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :) 10:35:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm learning a bit from watching how the network is turning up 10:35:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 10:35:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I have been reinforcing some passenger links with big and slow ships, maybe we could do something like that between MalvallaHub and Malvalla 10:36:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh 10:36:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> probably a good idea 10:36:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> an aircraft crashed and I did not notice 10:36:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I thought I had that option disabled 10:36:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Also all news turned off? ;-) 10:36:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, but accidents should be on 10:36:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, it is on 10:36:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I just didn't notice 10:37:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeou could try to disable that via rcon 10:37:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can you disable aircraft crashes? 10:37:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, there's a setting 10:37:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not sure whether it's available in MP 10:37:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> plane_crashes to 0 I guess 10:37:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> probably ;-) 10:38:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh 10:39:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can you set it to 0? 10:40:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, all passenger links are thin now 10:40:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... trynnhätten needs re-building to a hub with refit-capability 10:40:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Enås is one of those, right? 10:41:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 10:41:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> allows e.g. stone one way and coal the other 10:41:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> good for inter-hub transfers 10:41:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool 10:42:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> A320? 10:42:39 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 10:42:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 10:43:39 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it probably can't compete, we need high capacity aircrafts 10:43:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I would love to refit them to passengers only :/ 10:46:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> intercontinental was actually worse than international, right? 10:46:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes iirc 10:46:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 10:46:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll wait until 1990 before I get more towns into the air network 10:47:45 <IwantGoThere> *** Archimedes joined the game 10:48:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi Archimedes 10:50:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh... look at train 10 10:51:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> why is it stopped? 10:51:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, signals 10:51:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm not sure if I added the right one, but at least it is moving now 10:51:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> looks ok.. 10:51:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> where? 10:52:01 <IwantGoThere> <Archimedes> I'd make it the same style as the others though. 10:52:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: look at MalvallaHub, you will see a single mechanical signal in direction to malvalla 10:52:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that one :P 10:52:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P 10:52:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I can't distinguish those ;-) 10:52:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't recognice the type with the others, they confuse me a lot 10:54:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... the refit doesn't work quite as intended... 10:54:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> where? 10:54:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it doesn't go to any depot but a specific one 10:54:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> train 31 10:55:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> why don't you use "go to nearest depot" orders? 10:55:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that way it won't be picky 10:55:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> right. That's what I meant to use... :-) 10:55:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thx 10:56:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it has an invalid order too 10:56:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> now yes 10:56:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 10:56:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I added a tram for the MalvallaHUB - Malvalla link 10:57:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> in that long wood line, the intermediate stations have a lot of cargo waiting 10:57:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> mostly both Malvallas and Malborg 10:59:23 <IwantGoThere> <Archimedes> Have a nice day! *swoosh* 10:59:29 <IwantGoThere> *** Archimedes has left the game (leaving) 10:59:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, a talkative spectator 11:04:59 <IwantGoThere> Server has exited 11:04:59 *** IwantGoThere has quit IRC 11:05:06 <planetmaker> :-O 11:05:16 <Terkhen> :( 11:05:23 <Terkhen> that's a crash? 11:05:38 <planetmaker> probably. ssh-ing 11:05:50 <planetmaker> yes 11:06:02 <Terkhen> :/ 11:07:47 <planetmaker> Message: Assertion failed at line 1867 of /home/ottdc/git/yacd/src/vehicle.cpp: this->IsGroundVehicle() 11:08:54 <Terkhen> oh 11:08:58 <Terkhen> that's fixed in trunk 11:09:07 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/crash_yacd.log 11:09:15 <planetmaker> hm, is it? That's good news then 11:09:18 <planetmaker> Still sad for us 11:09:29 <Terkhen> I probably triggered it while replacing airports 11:09:49 <planetmaker> he 11:10:05 <Terkhen> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/22492/ 11:10:18 <Terkhen> is there an autosave? :( 11:11:25 *** IwantGoThere has joined #openttdcoop.dev 11:11:25 <IwantGoThere> Autopilot engaged 11:11:25 <IwantGoThere> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} YACD' 11:11:25 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop patch test channel - YACD | yacd_2.2 | STAGE: GAME ON | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=54253" 11:11:28 <planetmaker> there is 11:11:46 <planetmaker> not much should be lost. saves every two minutes 11:12:15 <Terkhen> great :) 11:12:55 <Terkhen> hmm... I guess I'll stop all aircrafts instead of skipping orders 11:13:02 <planetmaker> :-) 11:13:54 <IwantGoThere> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:13:54 <IwantGoThere> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 11:13:56 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n joined the game 11:14:06 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker joined the game 11:15:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> done :) 11:16:19 <Ammler> planetmaker: you really should learn about bin/start.sh :-P 11:16:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> probably :-) 11:17:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so... what is missing? 11:27:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Skynspång: has many pax waiting 11:27:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> still not enough for another 747 11:28:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok :-) 11:32:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... the refit two-way thing can be MUCH extended 11:34:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> how? 11:34:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> by using it in more places 11:34:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> no trains coming back empty at all? :) 11:35:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's not possible really. But between hubs it's possible to avoid that mostly 11:35:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or ship routes can also be used two-way 11:37:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> you are already doing it on many places 11:37:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's what I've been doing lately, yes ;-) 11:37:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> changing orders 11:38:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> on Skoggslätt the trains refit to lumber but they don't seem to be carrying it 11:38:27 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> (the sawmill) 11:38:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. There's no industry connected yet which they deliver to 11:38:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, I see 11:39:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll connect the furniture factory nearby 11:39:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it's not worth to use a train for that though 11:39:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I first focus on the network. Then the local details ;-) 11:39:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 11:39:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, local trains is mostly overdoing things. Using too much space and ressources 11:39:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> tram / truck / boat much better for local stuff 11:40:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... it has other two secondary industries nearby 11:40:30 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll use trains so everything can be carried here later 11:40:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 11:42:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: if that's local delivery line: could you create a group for that? 11:42:22 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, are you using groups? 11:42:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I started 11:42:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, what naming are you using? 11:42:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Keeping regions somewhat separate, for easier overview what goes on 11:42:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> local delivery, ok :) 11:42:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> HUBNAME local delivery 11:43:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I use prefixes usually, to keep them sorted 11:43:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> good idea 11:43:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> go for that then. I'll rename them 11:43:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> RB 11:43:39 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 11:43:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) regionalbahn :-P 11:43:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what is that in English? 11:44:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't know 11:44:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it's funny that you ask me that :P 11:44:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Well... Let's be clear then... and use "Local delivery as prefix 11:44:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 11:46:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... 11:46:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> in which other places are we producing lumber? 11:46:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I guess I should take all of them into account 11:46:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> unless they are not connected 11:46:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Malvalla sawmill is not connected with anything that carries lumber 11:47:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Don't carry where it comes from. Just connect the industries to the local hub delivering lumber from there 11:47:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> s/carry/worry/ 11:47:27 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 11:47:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's the power of networks 11:47:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it un-meddles things 11:47:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> just worry locally. The rest "just works" if done correctly 11:48:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but it needs to follow a common principle 11:48:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or it will fail majorly ;-) 11:48:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> generally: deliver anything you like from the nearest hub 11:48:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> whether it's there or not (yet) : don't worry 11:48:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what engine are we using? 11:48:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> same with: deliver anything you like TO the local hub. Don't worry where it goes 11:49:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Centennial 11:49:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool, I love that one 11:49:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's the best by most standards here 11:49:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> very powerful and fast 11:49:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> money is no issue 11:52:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I added the lumber train to the furniture factory, but the train that was supposed to bring the lumber to the hub is empty 11:52:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no refit? 11:53:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> check train 3 11:54:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. train 3 is what I changed the orders. Look at the lumber mill 11:55:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no cargo being routed anywhere 11:55:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> *saw mill 11:55:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> strange, train 39 is refitted to lumber and it goes from the hub to the furniture factory 11:55:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it takes some time sometimes 11:56:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we don't need to use double traction btw 11:56:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> at least I don't think so 11:56:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I just duplicated an existing train :P 11:56:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the lumber link is supposed to be established 11:56:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the rest are not using it, I'll take out one of the engines 11:57:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: add order to refit to goods at the furniture factory and take those back :-) 11:57:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> two-way rules :-P 11:58:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... I wonder if the saw mill ever produces anything 11:58:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's see 11:59:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and watch 11:59:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't think it is producing anything 11:59:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> seems so :S 11:59:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh. now it did 11:59:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and something is transported 11:59:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 4t ;-) 12:00:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :) 12:00:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> of 312 :-P 12:00:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll start adding more lumber to the network, and then I'll connect al lumber destinations 12:00:30 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> all* 12:00:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeah. I'll look into that between the hbus 12:00:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's what I was doing anyway :-) 12:02:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> lumber looks ugly in containers 12:03:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes... containers are not ideal for that 12:08:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, all sawmills are properly connected now 12:08:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 12:08:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nice 12:08:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I connect all destinations too? 12:08:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> all major hubs have lumber two-way connections now 12:08:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... actually... no 12:08:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> what is missing is direction info in the minimap view 12:08:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> true 12:09:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is confusing as it stands now 12:09:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we need a layered smallmap 12:09:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 12:09:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so I could for example choose to display some industries by their colours and also their links 12:09:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> added two-way lumber ship route between Knulfors and Matborg 12:10:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> or vehicles + company property 12:10:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 12:10:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, should I add lumber destinations? 12:10:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you mean local trains? 12:10:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes 12:10:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> As said: always :-) 12:10:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> local destinations are never wrong and often help, I think 12:10:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll just add a station and a train from the nearest hub to the new station 12:11:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or train network is missing a link to the North... I guess I'll see to that 12:11:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes... local should always be to the nearest hub. Hubs should get relayed everything via IC (or local trains delivering it) 12:11:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 12:12:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> this is actually the network type I prefer: global grid with hubs. And then each local network can handle things on its own 12:12:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it has also the advantage than one can try different approaches locally but still the global thing stays functional nearly no matter what 12:14:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we could do goods after this 12:14:40 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (connection lost) 12:14:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sure. I added some goods IC links ,but not all yet 12:19:11 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 12:19:39 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n joined the game 12:21:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> one of the furniture factories is really far (at Beckarp, the big city at the north) 12:21:19 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth joined the game 12:21:22 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi andy :) 12:21:24 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> lo 12:21:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a lumber yard at the south of Malmhus DOCK, is that one connected for lumber too? 12:22:01 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are we shipping chemicals yet? 12:22:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> nope, I'm doing lumber 12:22:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I don't think so 12:22:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there's no local lumber train afaik 12:22:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> on the whole island 12:22:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> lumber + chemicals go well together :) 12:22:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is a small destination anyways, I'll do others meanwhile 12:22:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> not literally together 12:22:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 12:23:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh... the bulk truck can carry more lumber than the flatbed truck 12:23:22 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> do you think that's a bug? 12:23:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not sure. But sounds strange 12:23:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so yes 12:25:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Enhättan hub needs to be bigger 12:25:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> not sure best how to do that 12:25:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 12:26:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> though it's not too small so far 12:26:17 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I am about to start routing trains in that might have full load orders 12:26:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> don't use full load for ICs 12:26:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 12:26:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and for region traffic don't use the existing tracks 12:26:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> IC = ?? 12:26:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well... some ICs do use full loads for few cargos 12:26:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> inter city = between hubs 12:26:51 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 12:26:53 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> so timetabled? 12:27:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Enhättan is currently only IC. No local 12:27:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Keep that separate from the tracks, too 12:27:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nothing ;-) 12:27:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but time-tabling might make sense 12:27:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but I couldn't be bothered yet 12:27:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> currently just need the hub to pick up the refinery too 12:27:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the extend the hub so that goods are caught 12:27:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> wrt timetabling - it may be voodoo but I think it's better 12:27:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it needs to grow anyway 12:28:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> timetabling == less time travelling empty, I think 12:28:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, in the middle run 12:28:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we need a demand chart :P 12:29:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: I'll add local service to Enhättan hub as well 12:29:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there, good reason that it'll now also pickup from the refinery ;-) 12:30:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but: please only add trains which go between there, Enas and Malvalla HUBs 12:30:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> see the corresponding group 12:30:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> for ICs? 12:30:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 12:30:50 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> so you're doing hub-hub connections 12:31:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ICs go between two or three adjacent HUBs 12:31:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 12:31:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's the only extensible way 12:31:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> which can cope with changing demands 12:31:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and much more important: it keeps problems to a local level 12:32:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you alway only have a problem for one link 12:32:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> between two hubs 12:32:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> thus things remain managable 12:34:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the question is: where to place the HUB for the North, where there are the farms 12:34:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> somewhere near Sögrbro 12:34:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> *Sögbro 12:35:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> one or two HUBs should go between Brunnlöv and Knulfors 12:35:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what about the peninsula at the south of Brårrstad? 12:35:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> CHIPS is nice with SWE rails 12:35:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: you're not going to look too closely at how I construct local rail service? 12:35:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: as long as you strictly keep local and IC services separated, I won't 12:36:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> The only assumption which basically needs to hold is: the HUB supplies and accepts everything. 12:36:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Everything delivered elsewhere goes via that HUB 12:36:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> then I don't mind the local level at all 12:37:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> It's actually... I just said that, the 'best' way to accomodate many different network styles 12:37:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as long as they all hook to the global network the same way 12:37:24 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it does seem the best 12:37:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> like network API ;-) 12:37:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> somewhat like the interwebs :P 12:37:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yeha 12:38:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Brunnlöv hates us :-( 12:38:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> And I have so big plans there. It would provide so many jobs. But noo.... 12:38:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: good choice with the peninsula 12:39:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> those treehuggers don't know what is good for them 12:39:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> have we got any production at Enås steel mill? 12:39:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D 12:39:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> FIRS really should show recent production history 12:39:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: rather the game 12:39:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> (IMHO) 12:39:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> someone would have to patch that :( 12:39:48 <Ammler> isn't there a SmatZyPatch about? 12:40:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: please, disable aircraft crashes :O 12:40:19 <Ammler> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/mypatches/show_this_month_cargo.png 12:41:06 <Ammler> Terkhen: you are op here 12:41:06 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: clay from Kramstad quarry needs to go to Brunnlöv 12:41:10 <Ammler> just use !rcon 12:41:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> so multiple trains hopping between which hubs? 12:41:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's on the network at Enås 12:41:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> see the train group with Enas 12:41:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> basically Enhättan, Enas, Malvalla Enas 12:42:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> in that order 12:42:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> some have funky refit-orders 12:42:31 <Terkhen> why am I op here? :P 12:42:49 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I am not refitting unless we get refit at stations :P 12:42:55 <Terkhen> !rcon plane_crashes 0 12:42:55 <IwantGoThere> Terkhen: ERROR: command not found 12:42:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> dev server. It's for fun and op gives you rcon 12:42:59 <Terkhen> !rcon set plane_crashes 0 12:43:08 <Terkhen> ok :) 12:43:12 <Terkhen> !rcon set plane_crashes 12:43:12 <IwantGoThere> Terkhen: Current value for 'plane_crashes' is: '0' (min: 0, max: 2) 12:43:18 <Ammler> Terkhen: I didn't op you, no idea :-) 12:43:28 <Ammler> someone seems to trust you :-P 12:43:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bah 12:43:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> maybe I should refit 12:43:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> refit is more logical 12:43:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> he might be in the chanserv list 12:43:49 <Terkhen> I'm quite sure I got the op when I first entered this channel 12:43:51 *** Terkhen has left #openttdcoop.dev 12:43:56 *** Terkhen has joined #openttdcoop.dev 12:43:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Terkhen 12:43:57 <Ammler> on .dev, most devs are ops 12:44:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andy refit might be logical. But has also issues: it then is not a two-way link which basically want 12:44:28 <Ammler> so they can handle rcon 12:44:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or will need at one stage 12:44:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I don't like refit 12:44:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> its too 'clever' 12:45:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I like it. But I might remove it here at one stage again and replace it by two trains, one cargo and the other 12:45:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> with the simple orders 12:45:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> one day we play a map with 20 tile stations and mixed trains :P 12:45:30 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> with NARS 2 12:45:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and mountains 12:47:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> every lumber destination except Beckarp and Månnlöv done 12:47:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> time for lunch, bbl 12:47:06 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: ship 27 is interesting 12:47:08 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (leaving) 12:47:18 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's providing a clay link, but isolated 12:47:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> is that intended? 12:50:25 <IwantGoThere> *** Amm1er joined the game 12:53:08 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> andythen0rth: the island trader looks somehow missscaled 12:53:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> in what way? 12:53:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ship scale is deceptive 12:53:58 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> compared with other ships 12:54:37 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> like the xacuabs 12:54:49 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> if you look at Malbukten 12:54:52 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> mäh 12:54:58 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> Malborg: 12:55:52 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> that ship seems to miss orders 12:58:31 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> the ikea is so ugly, really sad 12:58:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> So... anyone connecting things to Brårrstad HUB? 12:58:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> not me 12:58:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's connected alright :-) 12:59:10 <IwantGoThere> <Amm1er> make the whole seh unusable 12:59:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: should orders be shared for ICs, even with different cargo? 12:59:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> those which do not refit: yes 12:59:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and I agree: refit may be nice here but complicates things again 12:59:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> making it less versatile 12:59:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I don't like it 12:59:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> The new trains I just added do not refit 13:00:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Refit is awesome, though 13:00:10 <IwantGoThere> *** Amm1er has left the game (leaving) 13:00:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> For local it might make much more sense ;-) 13:01:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Malvalla Brunnlöv is too far for one IC? 13:01:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 13:02:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Trynnhättan: is the end place 13:02:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I suggest to make Trynnhättan bigger then :) 13:02:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's on the schedule 13:02:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> It's 6 tracks already 13:02:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and I must not according to the LA 13:02:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's I guess why I postponed it ;-) 13:03:15 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's still ok, though 13:16:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> anyone building? 13:16:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> not right now 13:17:38 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 13:18:14 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.dev 13:18:14 *** Webster sets mode: +o KenjiE20 13:21:09 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n joined the game 13:21:17 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: are you working on something specific? 13:21:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I am connecting goods 13:21:31 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> which is a big task :P 13:21:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and how was lunch? 13:21:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> when I left lumber was done except some destinations too far from the network 13:21:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: the new hub could need all the local things 13:21:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> quite good :) 13:21:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what new hub? 13:22:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wow, that thing is huge 13:22:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Brårrstad: as you suggested 13:22:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, ok, I was talking about Strömfors 13:22:28 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth thinks a lot of trains might be losing money now 13:22:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :P 13:22:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes, there are a lot of trains losing money 13:22:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> might be. I don't care 13:22:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so... 13:22:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> supplies network? :) 13:23:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I've never succeeded 13:23:13 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> supplies I just can't make work with yacd :( 13:23:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm thinking on a road network and lots of gmunds 13:23:41 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you need bigger trucks than that ;P 13:23:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I had like 800 of those things in my last FIRS game 13:23:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... ok, we can use normal trucks then 13:24:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but IMO using trains for supplies is overkill 13:24:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the distribution of supplies by industries is haphazard 13:24:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> except between hubs ;-) 13:24:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> m 13:25:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we should probably do metal before supplies 13:26:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Terkh3n: goods by plane? 13:26:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can I connect iron ore? 13:26:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, plane is a good idea :) 13:26:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> those small airplanes are cheap 13:27:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> helicopters are also cheap and the infrastructure is cheaper, but they are more slow 13:27:33 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> goods via sandvalla central... 13:28:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> everything via HUBs please 13:28:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can I start connecting iron ore? 13:28:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, it is connected :) 13:29:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and coal too 13:29:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> let's say I'm fiddling with the IC connections ,yes ;-) 13:30:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll start connecting all junk yards then :) 13:31:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> sandvalla central should be a hub? 13:31:24 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or is there a hub already in SW? 13:31:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> IMO not, that town is too big to host a hub too 13:31:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is Malmhus DOCK 13:31:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but if you plan to deliver to Sandvalla IMO you should use ships 13:31:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Malmus 13:32:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or ships yeah 13:32:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> good point 13:32:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> one could consider making Gnomberg Lakeside a HUB, too 13:32:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or Storslätt Docks 13:32:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But that island only needs one hub really 13:33:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the rest could work via local stuff 13:33:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and the hub being the Malmhus HUB 13:33:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Should call it HUB 13:34:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> hmm 13:34:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> what gives at Enhättan hub wrt coal? 13:34:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's where it all comes from 13:35:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> there's an overloaded link I think 13:35:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes too few ships 13:35:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> to the island 13:35:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> added another 13:37:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> all scrap metal at Malmhus island connected 13:37:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, it is possible to have multiple junk yards in the same town? 13:37:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 13:37:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> shouldn't be though 13:39:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: watch the signal sides ;-) 13:39:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> where? 13:39:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Sprögsvall: Woods 13:39:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I switched the facing of the signal to the station 13:39:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> does it matter? 13:40:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. It jammed the main line there 13:40:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> while the train was loading 13:40:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh 13:40:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so it changes reservation? 13:40:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it reserves to the front of the next signal. And that was one on the ML. Not the one before 13:41:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the one at x 13:41:15 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth tries to get fmsp moving 13:41:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ah, ok 13:41:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we need metal :P 13:41:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: with aircraft? 13:41:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm adding scrap metal to the network, but it is not handled by hub connections 13:41:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> later I'll add chemicals too 13:42:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I've done some chemicals between hubs already - check the links :) 13:42:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 13:42:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> then only scrap metal is missing 13:43:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bah 13:43:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we need multi-docks :( 13:43:59 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> now I have to use a stupid piglet 13:44:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> a piglet? what's that? 13:44:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> technically an rv to keep ratings up 13:44:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'm not actually using a piglet here 13:44:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> just a stupid rv 13:44:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, makes sense 13:44:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't know what's a piglet :P 13:46:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> when are we switching to monorail? :P 13:47:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nope 13:47:05 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth builds an offshore park to placate Enhättan 13:47:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 13:47:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D 13:47:39 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that bunch of trees in the middle of nowhere made them happy? 13:47:46 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yup 13:48:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. that petrol service connects different regions not via hubs 13:48:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they don't care about the destruction of species in the sea :( 13:48:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> which petrol? 13:48:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> what's the train number? 13:48:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> now I'm going to connect junk yard destinations, but we need scrap metal transported along hubs 13:48:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Brorhamn: refinery to Enas Mills 13:49:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> 42 13:49:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> local? 13:49:17 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's defeating the purpose of the hubs 13:49:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> not. Enhättan is a hub. and the hub which belongs to 13:49:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> enas obviously is enas hub 13:49:58 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth doesn't follow? 13:50:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it runs from Enhättan hub 13:50:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> you see the station which you attached to? 13:50:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> at enas mills? 13:50:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> yes 13:50:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that connects these industries to enas HUB 13:50:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> which makes that the hub it 'belongs' to 13:51:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> well only one train 13:51:26 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it could be fixed 13:53:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> nice, most hubs are near steel mills / aluminium plants :) 13:53:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, all scrap metal destinations done :) 13:53:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they just need movement of scrap metal along hubs 13:53:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> how should I do that? 13:58:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Malmhus HUB is blocked 13:59:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is missing some signals I think 13:59:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I didn't really finish it for anything 13:59:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's in a state of "link things no matter what" 13:59:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 13:59:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll try to fix it 14:00:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> metal? 14:00:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> right now I'm connecting scrap metal 14:05:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I think that my orders for train 64 are not right 14:05:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I just made it run through all the hubs 14:06:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> urgs 14:06:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> use shared orders :-) 14:06:13 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I made Brunnlöv like us 14:06:16 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, it's not even the right train 14:06:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: with which one should I share orders? 14:06:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but... that train must not have the orders it has 14:07:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... maybe I should change Malvalla HUB to a terminus for both sides ;-) 14:08:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's what I tried with orders. 64 clearly doesn't obey that 14:08:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :S 14:08:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Many trains don't :-( 14:09:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... someone changed all IC orders between Enhätten Enas and Malvalla? 14:09:59 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> possibly - but not intentionally :o 14:10:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... maybe? I think that I only messed up a single train 14:10:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> omg. a Trynnhätten train there? 14:10:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-( 14:10:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> all messed up again 14:10:50 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ?? 14:10:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... sorry 14:10:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> which one? 14:12:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I guess the system I tried to establish doesn't speak for itself 14:12:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I thought that trains could move from Enhättan to Malvalla 14:12:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it seems that they can't 14:12:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ICs only connect two, at most three hubs. Also not more via implicit orders. 14:12:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: it would be fine if the rule was hub-hub only 14:13:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but there are some complicated three way routes with refits as well 14:13:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Enhättan Malvalla is one set of shared orders. Not more 14:13:27 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: what about trains that don't need to visit Enhättan? 14:13:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Malvalla Trynnhättan Malbukten is another 14:13:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Trynnhättan: Brårrstad Oskarslätt a thred 14:13:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the groups? 14:13:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: all trains do need 14:13:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's the concept of IC 14:14:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no thought 14:14:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no micro management 14:14:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 14:14:09 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 14:14:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> lC are the connection between hubs? 14:14:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> eventually we'll need every cargo at every hub anyway, andy 14:14:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and if it's only in passing 14:14:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 14:15:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok 14:15:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... ok 14:15:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> so why don't we just route one train for each cargo for each group? 14:15:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should get an AI that can do that :) 14:15:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I was confused because there is a train in Enhättan Enas Malvalla that does not go to Enhättan 14:15:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: yes, that's what I ultimately want to do 14:16:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> one train per cargo for each IC connection 14:16:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or more if needed 14:16:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> simple. 14:16:11 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth wonders 14:16:21 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> next time how about a 32-car station? 14:16:27 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and one car per cargo? 14:16:29 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :D 14:16:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> would it come out the same in maths? 14:16:42 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that doesn't adopt as easily to demand 14:16:44 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> probably not :P 14:16:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nope 14:17:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I have a proper train now, sorry about the mess :) 14:17:32 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> probably my fault 14:17:35 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'd missed the groups 14:17:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> me too :P 14:18:28 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth has to go out 14:18:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bbl 14:18:43 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has joined spectators 14:18:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> later andythen0rth 14:18:52 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 14:18:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> laters 14:19:05 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has left the game (connection lost) 14:20:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, the only scrap metal destination missing is Strömfors :) 14:21:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> gah. I'll send ALL IC trains now to a depot 14:21:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> next is bauxite 14:21:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... sorry :( 14:22:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what does lc stands for? 14:22:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> inter city 14:22:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 14:23:03 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I could give it another name, I don't care. What shall I pick? 14:23:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I thought IC was obvious 14:23:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> HUB 14:23:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> also, I would make different groups for trains that have different orders 14:23:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok 14:24:16 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for example,HUB Enhattan Enas Malvalla (Refit) 14:24:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> or (Wood) 14:24:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> and a "normal" group for the ones that don't have anything cargo specific in their orders 14:24:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no refit anymore, I guess 14:25:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... so just single cargo trains cloned as demand increases? 14:25:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that's simpler 14:25:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 14:25:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and all orders of a group shared 14:25:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 14:26:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll sort ship groups out 14:26:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> right now there is no groups :P 14:26:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> make new ones 14:26:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes 14:26:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hu? 14:27:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what prefix should we use for local destinations? 14:27:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> LOCAL 14:27:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ? 14:32:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... there are many ships going from a zone to another 14:35:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for the next game we should have conventions for groups and naming before starting :P 14:41:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: check ship 24 14:42:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes? 14:42:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> two things: it has refits orders, should I replace it for normal ships too? 14:42:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> also, it has an invalid order 14:43:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well, yes, please fix it :-) 14:44:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but what was it carrying originally? only clay? 14:57:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ships are done 14:57:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> sweet. trains also 14:57:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool :) 14:57:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm just adding missing links now 14:57:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 14:59:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> could you add chemicals between Malborg and Knulforg? 14:59:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> sure 14:59:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> (while you're at ships that is) 14:59:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm. And coal from Enhättan to Malmus 15:00:22 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> also done 15:02:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm going to finish metal now 15:03:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: for the local traffic - could you not connect to the main lines? 15:03:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... where should I connect then? 15:03:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> extra track at station 15:03:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but not shared tracks 15:03:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... can you point me to an example? 15:04:22 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Stodvalla South for example 15:04:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or Trertköping Mines 15:04:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... ok 15:05:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll look around and try to fix the ones I can find 15:05:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there are few exceptions where the stations are well-integrated, but I rather avoid that 15:05:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I see you fixed some already :) 15:05:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the most notable exeption is Enslätt Quarry 15:07:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> which wagons transport metal best? 15:07:13 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> flatbed? bulk? 15:07:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it seems that only flatbed can 15:08:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I set up a Enhattan - Enas - Malvalla metal train already 15:08:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it needs a connection to Knulfors 15:08:29 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, I see the links 15:08:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> most of the destinations are there 15:08:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I added Malvalla Malborg Trynnhättan 15:08:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what are your plans for Strömfors? 15:09:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hat? 15:09:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ah, up North? 15:09:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes 15:09:27 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 15:09:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> becoming a hub 15:09:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> connecting to Brårrstad 15:09:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> shall I do that now? 15:09:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that is one of the missing destinatons for metal cargos 15:09:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> maybe I should fix livestock first 15:09:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but I don't know how 15:10:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is a big money sink anyways 15:10:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I could just remove it and readd it later 15:10:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> once we have a proper network set up there 15:10:53 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll hook it up now 15:11:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> what should I do with Tvöndberg? 15:11:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 15:11:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Deliver to a hub of your choice ;-) 15:11:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'll remove it, we can readd them later :) 15:12:19 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> wait, those lines are going to be removed 15:12:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> don't worry 15:12:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there 15:12:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 15:12:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-P 15:13:35 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth joined the game 15:13:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi andythen0rth 15:13:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> lo 15:14:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> there hooked up 15:15:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 15:15:05 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> aluminium needs hooked up? 15:15:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> livestock can be readded later 15:15:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> andythen0rth: yes 15:15:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll add those IC links which I see missing ;-) 15:16:06 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> Månnlöv woods should be a hub? 15:17:16 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes 15:17:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> do you need it? Then it's next 15:17:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it should be next, yes :) 15:18:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for metal 15:18:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :P 15:20:57 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> planetm4ker: how to route from Månnlöv hub to Klimviken mills? 15:21:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> is that local service? 15:22:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. But local to Knulfors. Unless you change connections. Which might make sense 15:22:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> In that corner is only local traffic so far wrt Knulfors 15:22:54 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> quite a long way round to go via Knulfors 15:22:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> did you check the profit of our trains? :P 15:23:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no 15:23:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> check the finances window, it's fun 15:23:15 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> lots of red :P 15:23:37 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we're winning on balance though 15:23:47 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> 15k profit 15:23:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the airbus 380 should be available soon :) 15:24:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, here it is 15:24:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> so... our goal is to connect everything? :) 15:25:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> brb 15:26:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> bbl 15:27:06 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I am leaving an unfinished bauxite link sorry 15:27:14 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:27:28 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has left the game (connection lost) 15:36:56 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> network supplies now farm supplies. In principle at least 15:37:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool :) 15:37:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> next is ENSP 15:37:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll finish bauxite 15:40:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... scrap metal links are broken 15:42:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> fixed :) 15:43:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> is a Mannlov - Knulfors connection planned? 15:43:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> in principle yes 15:43:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> But that's not easy 15:44:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Why? 15:45:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> otherwise bauxite from Skoggslätt Heights must travel around most of the map to reach Strömfors 15:45:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> which bauxite? 15:46:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ah that 15:46:16 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Skoggslätt heights, in the upper part of the map 15:46:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> connect it to the other HUB instead ;-) 15:46:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's nearer anyway :-P 15:46:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 15:47:36 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> building that connection is like a "quick fix" which escalates into 10 patches 15:47:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 15:48:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> then I'll do a "quick hack" and connect it to the dstination hub directly :P 15:48:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> having a train from mannlov to Strömfors only for this is a bit stupid 15:48:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... suggestion: make Enhammer the HUB and cease Knulfors as HUB 15:48:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's not only that. It'd give a good circle 15:48:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> that's a good idea, Knulfors can't grow up more anyways 15:55:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> bauxite is done except for a link to the new Enhammar hub 15:55:36 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll check delivery of metal 15:58:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I wonder if I'll break something here 15:58:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> at Strömfors hub, there is a aluminium plant and a metal foundry 15:58:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm making an additional station to deliver metal from the aluminium plant to the metal foundry 15:58:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> will that mess up with the delivery of metal from other parts? 16:05:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> let's hope it does not break :P 16:08:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> boom :-( 16:08:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> woops 16:08:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it was a stone train 16:09:44 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for the next game we should use an even smaller TL 16:12:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... train 14 is doing strange things, is that temporary? 16:12:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes. 16:13:02 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 16:13:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meanwhile I'll check passengers 16:21:27 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it's looking a lot better now :) 16:21:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> are you going to replace the ship connection with a train connection? 16:22:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> might be, yes 16:22:26 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I built that ages ago, but never installed anything there 16:22:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Now that the circle can be completed it will make much more sense 16:22:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes 16:22:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we can scrap the Malborg HUB then too 16:22:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> No :-) 16:23:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'd keep that one 16:23:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 16:23:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> It's integrated in MANY networks 16:23:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and it's a good distance to other hubs 16:25:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> a haleluja for diagonal leveling 16:25:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 16:25:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is really useful 16:26:06 <IwantGoThere> *** Vikthor joined the game 16:26:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi Vikthor 16:26:14 <IwantGoThere> <Vikthor> hi 16:26:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 16:26:56 <IwantGoThere> <Vikthor> you've got some problem at Malmhus HUB 16:27:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, stupid trains 16:27:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> thanks for spotting that 16:27:19 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth joined the game 16:27:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi andythen0rth 16:28:08 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker is fixing the north :) 16:28:59 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> circle complete 16:29:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> great :) 16:30:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> is bauxite on an IC out of Månnlöv? 16:30:47 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is a fourth bauxite mine at Sandvalla 16:31:02 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but I'll complete bauxite right now 16:31:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> ok cool 16:34:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> are supplies coming in soon? 16:34:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> seems there are spine links for them 16:34:41 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but no distributors? 16:34:44 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> connect the to the hub 16:34:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the hubs have all links 16:35:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I didn't bother about local stuff :-P 16:35:23 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll start on it 16:35:25 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 16:37:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... we have a single ungrouped ship, why can't I make it share orders with the ships in the malmhus - enhattan group? 16:40:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> meh, I'm going to fix the livestock mess 16:40:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> bauxite trains running 16:44:54 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> If you add IC trains, you make sure that they always use shared orders? 16:45:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I have been cloning existing trains 16:45:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ctrl+cloning 16:45:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> cloning doesn't share. yes. that does ;-) 16:45:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I wonder why we need to press ctrl for sharing if that's usually what you want to do 16:46:08 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, it's not always 16:46:30 <IwantGoThere> <Vikthor> but mostly it is ;) 16:46:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for me it should be the default behavior when cloning 16:46:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> when I'm not sharing orders is mostly a conscious decision because I'll change something 16:47:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> currently I use cloning without and then share orders 16:47:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> why? 16:47:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but if I click "goto train", then it should share 16:47:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I want a certain train, but orders in another HUB region 16:47:55 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> like clone flatbed, refit to wood, use orders for this region 16:48:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's my typical workflow currently 16:48:12 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... I ctrl+clone existing trains and replace wagons if needed 16:48:23 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> that's more lengthy than refit ;-) 16:48:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> of course, only if they are in the same hub region 16:48:37 <IwantGoThere> <Vikthor> bye for now 16:48:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ciao 16:48:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> later Vikthor 16:48:44 <IwantGoThere> *** Vikthor has left the game (leaving) 16:48:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> should I add grain and sugar beet too? 16:51:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> malvalla grew quite 16:51:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> indeed :) 16:52:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is not much space there, but maybe I should add another airport at Klastholm 16:52:37 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... no, it will overload the ship link fast 16:52:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I would need to raise land for the airport :P 16:53:09 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 16:55:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no food :-( 16:55:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm fixing that :P 16:55:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but we need farm supplies 16:56:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we have in principle 16:56:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'm working on that :) 16:56:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> the farm HUBs have them routed to 16:56:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool :) 16:56:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: what, food? 16:56:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm adding sugar beet, grain, livestock and milk 16:57:14 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Terkh3n: I don't really care. But towns need it ;-) 16:57:36 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> what's going on at enas hub? 16:57:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> looks unfinished for the local lines 16:58:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nah, I added a few extra tracks. And only then noticed that there already special tracks for local traffic 16:58:58 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I just didn't remove them again 16:59:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as they might be needed later. now? 16:59:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> maybe 16:59:20 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> unless you permit me to make bigger local trains than 5 17:00:08 *** MrD2DG has joined #openttdcoop.dev 17:00:24 <MrD2DG> !players 17:00:26 <IwantGoThere> MrD2DG: Client 13 (Orange) is Terkh3n, in company 1 (Sandvalla Transport) 17:00:26 <IwantGoThere> MrD2DG: Client 5 (Orange) is planetm4ker, in company 1 (Sandvalla Transport) 17:00:26 <IwantGoThere> MrD2DG: Client 21 (Orange) is andythen0rth, in company 1 (Sandvalla Transport) 17:01:58 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> train 74 is...interesting 17:02:08 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> it's on the wrong bit of network :P 17:02:28 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> heh 17:02:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> sell it and replace it :P 17:02:42 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I can reuse it 17:02:52 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, don't forget to change its group 17:03:06 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> oh gee 17:03:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> :D 17:03:14 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> how do I tell which group it's in? 17:03:16 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> forget it 17:03:19 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> I'll scrap it 17:03:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> andythen0rth: if you don't route onto the mainline (which locals shouldn't do anyway), then do what you want 17:03:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but... I assure you different TL easily messes up things 17:03:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> huh... there are many ungrouped trains 17:06:14 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> can I use different TL on local connections? 17:06:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> as said: as long as you don't mix it with the ML, it's ok 17:06:39 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> still it doesn't ease things 17:06:50 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> or at least: longer makes it difficult 17:08:12 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we cleaned up the local at enas ? 17:08:18 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> aren't those last commits a big pony for both of you? :P 17:08:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'm extending that hub, andythen0rth 17:08:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ML needs at least 6 lanes 17:13:54 <Terkhen> planetmaker: you should also check the openttd translation 17:14:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok :-) 17:14:59 <Terkhen> it seems that we are lazy translators :P 17:16:07 <IwantGoThere> *** MrD2DG joined the game 17:16:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hi MrD2DG 17:16:11 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> Hi 17:16:25 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> frosch was faster, Terkh3n;-) 17:16:31 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> Just came to see YACD in action :) 17:16:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it's awesome 17:16:48 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but we built a whole day on this with three people 17:16:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> MrD2DG: just a warning, it is highly addictive :) 17:17:02 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> :P 17:17:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I should be doing useful stuff 17:17:04 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we need a day length patch 17:17:25 <V453000> didnt seem too addictive to me :P 17:17:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> playing this on a 256^ map and paying more attention to vehicles would be fun 17:18:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for me YACD gives structure to the game 17:18:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I know that you can look for your own goals, but still :) 17:19:10 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> grr 17:19:25 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> the groups have trains in that are wrong 17:19:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> nah... this is fine :-) 17:19:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> specifically train 127 17:19:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> which I cloned from train 122 17:20:11 <V453000> I just find being told where to transport what plain stupid, because it quite takes away from me the thinking what to do 17:20:46 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> Makes it a bit more interesting IMO, stop the typical one drop for everything coop style 17:21:00 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth bbl 17:21:03 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> baby bath time 17:21:21 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> :P 17:21:24 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth was sorting out petrol 17:21:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> unfinished :P 17:21:34 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> later andythen0rth :) 17:21:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> V45: IMHO on the contrary. It makes you think MUCH more where you have to establish connections 17:22:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> It's IMHO much more challenging than the game where I can dump the coal from a coal mine everywhere where coal will be accepted 17:22:12 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I really have to look where to build routes 17:22:18 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Do real networking 17:23:20 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> So do industries have pre-defined destinations or are they calculated using the players exiting stations? 17:23:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Hm... Terkh3n what's up at Enbyn South? 17:23:38 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> No rating? 17:23:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the destination are calculated depending on the surrounding industries 17:23:47 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> wrong refit? 17:23:57 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> Ok 17:24:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> planetm4ker: they seem to be refitted correctly 17:24:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> maybe they can't get out of the messy junction I did 17:24:19 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> yes, just saw that... 17:24:45 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they can 17:24:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> oh, right 17:24:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there is no grain or sugar beet destination 17:25:03 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> right now I'm setting milk 17:25:13 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> later I'll set up grain/sugar beet 17:25:27 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> oh, no finished yet? 17:25:29 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> nope 17:25:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ok :-) 17:25:40 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I just saw the lone food link... and wondered 17:26:00 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I guess I add IC food trains 17:26:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 17:26:23 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I added the required ones for livestock/milk 17:36:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmmm 17:36:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> food will be difficult 17:36:53 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it mostly wants to go to local towns 17:37:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'd follow the same procedure: ship to hub and distribute 17:37:49 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> then it fits all destinations. also local 17:37:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the towns are way closer to the industry than to the hub 17:38:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so what? :-) 17:38:31 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> check Brunnlöv for example 17:38:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> there are a dairy and a stockyard there 17:39:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> bringing the food to the hub is doing the same work three times 17:39:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> some will want to go there anyway 17:39:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 17:40:10 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> but if you want a local solution... go for it :-) 17:43:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> bah 17:43:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Stodvalla tunnels are too long 17:44:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... 17:44:26 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I don't see any other place for the railway 17:44:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> well. maybe two more will help 17:44:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 17:46:10 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> for the really far food destinations I'll use local trucks 17:46:22 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Enbyn for example is too far away from every hub 17:46:52 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> it already has a local train ;-) 17:47:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> the cargo wants to go to Enbyn, Snappby, Skrylvalla, Skynspång and Strömfors 17:47:34 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> have the food train not full load, but go two-way with food and stop at a local food station 17:47:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> where trucks distribute it to every house 17:47:57 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Strömfors will be connected via the hub, the other ones are not practical 17:47:59 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 17:48:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> Skynspång: is already connected 17:48:17 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok 17:48:31 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> long journey, but well ;-) 17:51:49 <IwantGoThere> *** MrD2DG has joined company #1 17:51:57 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> Just adding some missing sigs 17:52:04 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> no worries, you're welcome 17:52:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> cool 17:52:37 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> :P Well I wouldnt want to mess anything up atm still trying to getm my head around everything 17:53:07 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> As you probably listened: the setup is simple: 17:53:33 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> we have HUBs. And everything in the vicinity connects to that, delivers there and gets the required cargos as well 17:53:43 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> so on a local level there's not much one can do wrong 17:53:55 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> Yeah i noticed those 17:54:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> things only go wrong when the main lines get screwed with :-P 17:54:07 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> :P 17:54:39 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok, I'm missing a destination for grain and sugar beet 17:54:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> but we really should get some farm supplies 17:54:56 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> are they being produced already? 17:55:32 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, not sure :-) 17:55:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> given that they have a network I'll just connect and hope for the best :) 17:55:49 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> if they don't appear I'll look into it 17:55:51 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> maybe produced but not shipped to hubs 17:56:05 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'd bet on that 17:56:11 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... ok 17:56:11 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> I'll do, too 18:00:28 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> added one lime kiln 18:00:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 18:00:55 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I have linked a machine shop that is nearby the farms too 18:02:37 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> added another 18:02:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> ok :) 18:03:41 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm... a 3rd was already 18:05:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> farm supplies are being delivered to the farms :) 18:05:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they should grow up one of these days 18:06:24 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 18:07:07 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I see that you are linking fertiliser plants already :) 18:16:21 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth back for a bit 18:16:24 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> did we win yet? 18:16:34 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> wb :P 18:16:40 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> nope 18:16:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> this would have been nuts as a competition 18:16:46 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> yes :D 18:16:54 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we still need to connect a lot of industries 18:17:04 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it is starting to get a bit boring, though 18:17:22 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we have >24 hours out of it 18:17:24 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> farm supplies are being delivered now btw :) 18:17:38 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> some of the farms already have grown :O 18:17:41 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll connect more farms 18:20:11 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> jam at Enslätt 18:20:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> where? 18:20:48 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... :( 18:20:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> Enslätt Quarry 18:21:06 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> ah 18:21:33 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it was missing a signal 18:21:35 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> bad design ;-) 18:21:46 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> was it? where? 18:23:45 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> wtf happened at Brunnlövtown? 18:23:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> wrt buildings? 18:24:02 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> weird grid 18:24:20 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> indeed 18:24:30 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> hm, yes 18:24:32 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I had to demolish trees and rebuild them 18:24:43 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> in theory they did not let me demolish town buildings because they hated me :P 18:24:57 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-D 18:25:59 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> swedish houses provides a useful petrol station 18:26:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> lool 18:26:07 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> and it is in catchment for a lot of hubs :) 18:26:17 <IwantGoThere> <MrD2DG> :P 18:26:20 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> one should look at an A380 landing at Enas Mills 18:26:38 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> through the mill? 18:26:42 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> woops 18:26:45 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> and through the ground of the mill 18:26:48 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> highly profitable, those A380s 18:26:50 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I activated autoreplace for the wrong aircrafts? :P 18:26:52 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> :P 18:26:58 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'll replace them 18:27:01 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> why? 18:27:15 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> they loss a huge amount of money, smaller aircraft will do the same 18:27:21 <IwantGoThere> <planetm4ker> :-) 18:27:51 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth has a soft spot for trains 38 and 47 :) 18:30:39 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> did we connect any textile mills? 18:30:43 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> or glass works? 18:31:05 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> to my knowledge no 18:33:06 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> hmm... maybe doing passengers too in a cargo oriented game is a mistake 18:33:40 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> nah 18:33:51 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> we can't easily use the industries inside Sandvalla 18:33:53 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> you should put some PAX trains on the network 18:34:01 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> no, that would get crazy quite soon :D 18:34:19 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> those industries are not hard to get to 18:34:21 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I should have kept my passenger YACD game somewhere 18:34:35 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> it shows how crazy things get when you start connecting a lot of towns 18:34:41 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> we should ship that bauxite out of Sandvalla 18:35:00 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> then again my network sucked badly, maybe with something on the lines of the network in this game it would have worked better 18:36:09 <IwantGoThere> <Terkh3n> I'm starting to feel tired from this game, I think I'm going to solve some bugs :) 18:36:23 <IwantGoThere> *** Terkh3n has left the game (leaving) 18:36:25 <planetmaker> bauxite should be nearly everywhere. But I feal somewhat the same as Terkhen. 18:36:36 <planetmaker> I've done today little else than play ;-) 18:37:07 <Terkhen> I have learned a lot today :P 18:37:14 <IwantGoThere> * andythen0rth has bathed the baby and all kinds of crap today :) 18:37:28 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> but I have to go out - actually about 7 minutes ago 18:37:34 <IwantGoThere> <andythen0rth> so is this game done, or just on hold? 18:38:00 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has joined spectators 18:39:20 <IwantGoThere> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 18:39:39 <planetmaker> I'll save the game 18:39:58 <IwantGoThere> *** planetm4ker has left the game (connection lost) 18:40:20 <IwantGoThere> *** MrD2DG has left the game (leaving) 18:40:20 <IwantGoThere> *** Game paused (number of players) 18:41:12 <Terkhen> things we have learned: everything should be in a group, and a group should only have vehicles with the same set of shared orders 18:41:16 <planetmaker> !rcon save terkhenandypm_yacd 18:41:17 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Saving map... 18:41:17 <IwantGoThere> planetmaker: Map successfully saved to terkhenandypm_yacd.sav 18:45:17 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:56:15 *** MrD2DG has left #openttdcoop.dev 19:33:51 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 19:36:54 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:41:21 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.dev 19:41:43 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.dev 22:06:04 *** Progman has quit IRC