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00:04:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Support #57 (Feedback): Skipping version 2.03 (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/57#change-124 00:05:42 <Ammler> oh, btw. 00:06:02 <Ammler> could you make again a GRF and upload it to the devzone? 00:06:17 <Ammler> with the nfo 00:06:29 <Ammler> and no -w 00:06:47 <DJNekkid> a plain renum? 00:06:58 <Ammler> or like pm think, only -w141 00:07:09 <Ammler> run the script 00:07:18 <Ammler> and upload the grf and the final nfo 00:07:48 <Ammler> so I could find, where our 2 tools differ 00:08:37 <Ammler> did you have contact with Purno, since you joined our zone? 00:08:46 <DJNekkid> yes 00:09:05 <Ammler> what is his feeling about? 00:09:33 <DJNekkid> quite indiffirent atm 00:09:43 <DJNekkid> as his been the last ... i dunno ... 6-7-8 months 00:09:49 <DJNekkid> he is way to into WoW :) 00:09:57 <Ammler> omg 00:10:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.nfo.new.nfo (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/34/2ccdj.nfo.new.nfo 00:10:39 <Ammler> he should register and participate at least to the tickets :-) 00:12:46 <Ammler> DJNekkid: which version did you run it? 00:12:50 <Ammler> hg parent 00:13:11 <DJNekkid> i did a hg pull a few minutes ago 00:13:15 <DJNekkid> -u 00:13:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.grf (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/35/2ccdj.grf 00:13:47 <Ammler> so with tip 00:15:02 <DJNekkid> r78 00:15:34 <DJNekkid> but Ammler... im sleepy ... tty tomorrow... :) 00:17:42 <Ammler> yep, thanks 00:17:49 <Ammler> still not same grf :-) 00:19:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.nfo (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/36/2ccdj.nfo 00:19:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.grf (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/37/2ccdj.grf 00:19:37 <Ammler> good night DJNekkid 00:36:06 <Ammler> DJNekkid: are you still here? 00:36:11 <Ammler> I might found the bug 05:47:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Support #57: Skipping version 2.03 (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/57#change-125 05:50:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 80: Change: introduce a doc folder as proposed in issue #68 (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/80 05:50:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #68 (Closed): Add a doc folder (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/68#change-126 06:05:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #44: matching grf, if you use windows or linux (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/44#change-127 08:33:17 <Ammler> morning 08:33:24 <DJNekkid> good morning 08:33:27 <DJNekkid> i just got up myselves 08:33:28 <Ammler> planetmaker: it isn't just a compile error, he gets 08:33:50 <Ammler> he has a sprite which we don't have 08:33:59 <Ammler> I made a diff and compared 08:36:00 <planetmaker> good morning :) 08:36:11 <planetmaker> oh? can you post the diff? 08:36:15 <Ammler> oh ups 08:36:28 <Ammler> morning DJNekkid 08:36:41 <Ammler> hehe, you both have the same color now 08:37:00 <planetmaker> we're one of a kind :P 08:38:02 <DJNekkid> you all are black to me... niggas! 08:38:54 <planetmaker> both of you are blue. Drunkheads you! 08:39:04 <Ammler> sprite 3713 08:39:46 <Ammler> we don't have that 08:40:41 <Ammler> and after that, everyhing is different, as we have other sprite numbers 08:40:41 <planetmaker> we do...? 08:40:53 <Ammler> well, we have that sprite too 08:40:55 <Ammler> :-) 08:40:59 <planetmaker> no, sorry 08:41:05 <planetmaker> you're perfectly right 08:41:12 <Ammler> just our 3713 is 3714 of dj 08:41:32 <planetmaker> I wonder why. 08:41:43 <Ammler> DJNekkid: might be able to answer? 08:42:01 <DJNekkid> i didnt follow the discussion... 08:42:24 <DJNekkid> but a probable awsner would be that the .bat file, and the .linux-thingy-file dont handle the files in the same matter 08:42:43 <Ammler> just compare sprite 3713 of our nfo, with yours 08:42:46 <planetmaker> well. you have exactly one sprite more somewhere in between 08:43:03 <DJNekkid> cant you "diff" them and see where? 08:43:20 <planetmaker> they're both available at "files" section 08:43:32 <planetmaker> a diff is ... difficult due to the different warning levels etc 08:43:34 <Ammler> DJNekkid: I did! 08:43:45 <Ammler> sprtie 3713 :- 08:43:47 <Ammler> 9 08:43:49 <Ammler> ) 08:43:53 <DJNekkid> what is that sprite? 08:44:15 <planetmaker> var action 1 08:44:23 <DJNekkid> no such thing 08:44:25 <DJNekkid> var action 2? 08:44:46 <planetmaker> sorry. action 3 08:45:05 <planetmaker> //!!Warning (98): Variation 1 cannot be reached. 3713 * 18 02 00 A0 81 0C 00 FF 02 F6 80 23 23 F7 80 23 23 A0 00 // Action 3: ID //!!Fatal Error (42): Length does not match n-id and num-cid of 01 and E3. (Expected 688 bytes) 3714 * 12 03 00 01 \b*10211 01 FF A0 00 AA 00 08:45:13 <planetmaker> just grab the files and open them :) 08:45:25 <planetmaker> you uploaded one, Ammler one. It's quite obvious then :) 08:45:37 <DJNekkid> oh, that one ... that were merly a test i did yesterday 08:45:52 <DJNekkid> thats a callback btw, not a var2 :p 08:46:02 <planetmaker> and don't mind my words in too great detail. I'm still in need of coffee 08:46:03 <planetmaker> :P 08:46:21 <Ammler> good idea, planetmaker 08:46:32 * Ammler is going to heat the machine 08:47:21 <DJNekkid> hg pull and stuff plox :) 08:47:28 <planetmaker> "2cc-Set v. 1.0.0 (r80) pre-release" <-- how does that look like. Ignore the (r80) for the moment. 08:47:55 <planetmaker> if you don't object, I'll change that in our repository (without the r80) 08:48:02 <DJNekkid> please do 08:48:06 <planetmaker> k 08:48:28 <Ammler> grep "02 00 A0 81 0C 00 FF 02 " . -R is empty here 08:48:45 <Ammler> DJNekkid: might it be you use a nfo file we don't have? 08:49:11 <DJNekkid> i dunno, would not think so 08:49:19 <Ammler> can you run hg st 08:49:22 <DJNekkid> but what were that grep ? 08:49:22 <planetmaker> done 08:49:47 <DJNekkid> what am i gonna look for? 08:49:48 <Ammler> DJNekkid: I am grepping for your sprite we don't have 08:50:01 <Ammler> just make a "textsearch" for that string 08:50:02 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: grep = look :P 08:50:16 <DJNekkid> but i just removed that line 08:50:24 <Ammler> from where? 08:50:26 <DJNekkid> it were just a test i did yesterday, thought i removed it 08:50:33 <planetmaker> what does hg st tell you now? 08:50:41 <Ammler> omg 08:50:43 <DJNekkid> a list of ?'s 08:50:47 <Ammler> loool 08:50:47 <DJNekkid> in front of filenames 08:50:51 <planetmaker> yes 08:50:59 <planetmaker> which filenames? :) 08:51:06 <Ammler> thne let us again hg pull and update 08:51:10 <planetmaker> might be that *.nfo copies more than the intended 08:51:10 <Ammler> and hg diff 08:51:17 <Ammler> to check if we have local changes 08:51:29 <Ammler> if not, make a grf and nfo and upload again 08:51:35 <Ammler> I am sure, we are fine then. 08:52:02 <Ammler> or you just update to r78 and upload it :-) 08:52:38 <Ammler> don't care, it just should be a "clean" version, without local changes. 08:52:40 <planetmaker> important is that there are no *.nfo files with a ? at hg st 08:52:50 <DJNekkid> look at the files 08:52:58 <DJNekkid> i uploaded a screenshot 08:53:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - hg-st.PNG (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/38/hg-st.PNG 08:53:24 <DJNekkid> ^^ 08:53:26 <DJNekkid> what he saied 08:53:52 <Ammler> looks fine 08:53:59 <Ammler> can you make hg diff 08:54:08 <Ammler> and check if you have local changes 08:54:21 <DJNekkid> it didnt say anything :) 08:54:26 <planetmaker> looks fine. Looks (nearly) the same here 08:54:37 <Ammler> nice 08:54:42 <Ammler> now compile again and upload 08:55:36 <DJNekkid> done 08:55:58 <Ammler> version? 08:56:02 <Ammler> (hg parent) 08:56:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.grf (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/39/2ccdj.grf 08:56:20 <DJNekkid> 81 08:57:59 <planetmaker> 82? 08:58:15 <Ammler> still not the same, could you again upload the nfo? 08:58:59 <planetmaker> a whopping 12kB difference in file size... 08:59:11 <DJNekkid> thats actually a lot... 08:59:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.grf (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/40/2ccdj.grf 08:59:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.nfo (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/41/2ccdj.nfo 08:59:20 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: what does grfcodec -? tell you? 08:59:24 <planetmaker> what version? 08:59:24 <Ammler> I guess, something on the languages 08:59:37 <Ammler> planetmaker: old :-) 08:59:40 <planetmaker> I can assume that grfcodec optimizes more for newer versions 08:59:53 <planetmaker> e.g. leave out sprites which are never reached or alike 08:59:58 <DJNekkid> my guess is: 09:00:12 <DJNekkid> the version you guys have crop "extra blue", while mine dont 09:00:26 <planetmaker> hm? 09:00:37 <planetmaker> how do I know? 09:00:59 <Ammler> well, if the nfo matches 09:01:05 <planetmaker> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2103E 09:01:06 <Ammler> I don't care much anymore 09:01:14 <planetmaker> hm? 09:01:19 <DJNekkid> the problem is 09:01:36 <DJNekkid> there are no windows binaries available after 15 august 2006 09:01:53 <planetmaker> that's a LONG time... :S 09:02:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj_ivb.grf (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/42/2ccdj_ivb.grf 09:02:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.nfo (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/43/2ccdj.nfo 09:02:21 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.nfo (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/44/2ccdj.nfo 09:03:06 <DJNekkid> there is a 2101 on the forum... 09:04:39 <Ammler> grfcodec needs perl to compile 09:04:46 <Ammler> don't have that on my vm 09:05:05 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: is that a win binary, the 2101? 09:05:10 <DJNekkid> yes 09:05:20 <planetmaker> he... can you try with that one? 09:05:29 <DJNekkid> http://redmine.ammler.ch/projects/2cctrainset/files 09:05:35 <DJNekkid> same size, same md5 09:06:22 <Ammler> does match 09:06:27 <Ammler> :-) 09:06:27 <planetmaker> as you got before. hmpf 09:06:40 <DJNekkid> ni 09:06:41 <DJNekkid> no 09:06:42 <planetmaker> ah. no :) Nice! 09:06:46 <DJNekkid> ammlers and mine seems to match 09:06:55 <Ammler> we uses 81 09:06:59 <Ammler> pm 82 09:07:01 <DJNekkid> yes 09:07:16 <planetmaker> yes. I have yes, r82. I already uploaded when you said r81 09:07:42 <planetmaker> maybe you delete your old grfcodec exe file, DJNekkid :) 09:07:50 <DJNekkid> i did 09:07:59 <Ammler> planetmaker: do you expect bugs? 09:08:09 <Ammler> as you called it 1.0.0 ;-) 09:08:15 <Ammler> instead of 1.0 09:08:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj.grf (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/45/2ccdj.grf 09:09:33 <Ammler> it might be nice, to have from time to time a "dev" version there 09:09:41 <planetmaker> well.... it still sais pre-release. We may change that for the actual release. But if we want to have a 1.0.1, we might just go for that 09:10:07 <Ammler> it looks ugly, imo, but nvm :-) 09:10:28 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/70 <-- you mean that with "dev version"? 09:11:07 <planetmaker> I would like to include the repo revision in the displayed name (for all, releases and development). But I have no idea how to do that automatically with windows 09:11:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #44 (Closed): matching grf, if you use windows or linux (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/44#change-128 09:11:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #70: include repository version in displayed grf name (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/70 09:12:10 <planetmaker> in principle, Ammler, I think you're right, that 1.0 looks better than 1.0.0. 09:12:32 <planetmaker> if it comes to string sorting, which would go first? 1.0 or 1.0.1? 09:13:24 <planetmaker> issue #70 is about the most complicated bash command I've ever written :P 09:13:56 <DJNekkid> i _so_ need a mouse for the realignment thing 09:14:16 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: how is the re-alignment done? 09:15:17 <planetmaker> btw, shall I close the "skipping version 2.03" issue, too? 09:16:56 <DJNekkid> via excel 09:16:58 <DJNekkid> or ... calc :) 09:17:06 <planetmaker> well. yes. but how? 09:17:15 <planetmaker> I mean... there you have many numbers. And then? 09:17:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #70: include repository version in displayed grf name (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/70#change-129 09:17:30 * planetmaker should actually open the excel files... 09:18:04 <DJNekkid> i copy all 8 lines from a spriteset, paste it, then about 10 lines under are the "new alignments" 09:18:39 <planetmaker> :O Darn. OOo crashed when opening 2cc-modded.xls 09:20:28 <Ammler> works here (3.0.1) 09:20:51 <planetmaker> yes. 3.0.1 here, too 09:21:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/roadmap 09:21:41 <planetmaker> and reproducable 09:22:52 <planetmaker> ok, then not OOo but Numbers 09:23:25 <DJNekkid> btw, wanna see something cool? 09:23:30 <planetmaker> always 09:23:38 <Ammler> no, please not. 09:23:43 <planetmaker> :P 09:24:03 <DJNekkid> download thalys.grf from "files" 09:24:07 <DJNekkid> fire up ottd 09:24:15 <DJNekkid> load up mat'64 from the list 09:24:20 <DJNekkid> built a Mat'64 09:24:25 <DJNekkid> and then refit it :) 09:25:27 <DJNekkid> start the game aprox 1970 or so 09:26:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - thalys.grf (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/46/thalys.grf 09:29:07 <DJNekkid> cool? :) 09:29:55 <planetmaker> uhm... how is that grf called ingame? I don't find it in my endless list... 09:30:06 <DJNekkid> mat'64 09:31:56 <planetmaker> he, nice. articulated engine? 09:32:07 <DJNekkid> yup 09:32:14 <DJNekkid> but, it changes length! 09:32:50 <planetmaker> changes length? 09:32:56 <DJNekkid> yes? 09:33:00 <DJNekkid> do a refit 09:33:03 <DJNekkid> to a plan T 09:33:19 <planetmaker> and it's under powered 09:33:37 <DJNekkid> ..?? 09:34:29 <planetmaker> on plain tracks it takes with 5 wagons ages to accelerate :) 09:34:44 <planetmaker> but I guess it must not have wagons... 09:34:51 <DJNekkid> no 09:35:07 <DJNekkid> i guess i didnt fit it with a "cannot attach" yet 09:35:18 <DJNekkid> but, did you try to refit the engine? 09:35:25 <DJNekkid> with the little brownish boxy button? 09:35:28 <planetmaker> yes. did now. 09:35:35 <planetmaker> sweet 09:35:39 <DJNekkid> ^^ 09:35:41 <planetmaker> very nice indeed :) 09:36:33 <planetmaker> but what's "Plan T" and "Plan V"? it's not intuitive the naming. 09:36:45 <DJNekkid> tell that to the dutch 09:36:58 <planetmaker> :D 09:37:01 <DJNekkid> but, if you look in the purch list, it actually say what it is 09:37:30 <planetmaker> btw: It's "Livery". Not "livary" 09:37:50 <DJNekkid> oki :) ty 09:38:05 <Ammler> nice engine 09:38:41 <planetmaker> hm. 09:39:01 <Ammler> very well aligned, imo. 09:39:02 <DJNekkid> the plan is to do this with all the dutch engines in that set 09:39:10 <planetmaker> yes, indeed, Ammler :) 09:39:31 <DJNekkid> it's a one-click to buy, and one click to change lengths 09:39:35 <planetmaker> I wonder, though, why the refit ability, if you can buy two engines and have the same. 09:39:38 <Ammler> now do that with all and the set is perfect :P 09:39:52 <DJNekkid> no need to buy extra wagons and shit 09:40:08 <planetmaker> well. Just double click on the engine :P 09:40:34 <planetmaker> but I guess it makes a difference in the running costs? Double headed vs. livery refit=single headed? 09:40:41 <planetmaker> or are running costs also changed? 09:40:53 <DJNekkid> currently they are not that, but the plan is to do that as well 09:41:07 <DJNekkid> thats easy tho 09:41:09 <DJNekkid> just not done 09:41:18 <DJNekkid> as i've not worked on a priceing stratigy on the dutch set yet 09:41:44 <Ammler> oh, do you also code the dutchset? 09:42:15 <planetmaker> he. where's the repository of the Dutch set :P ? 09:42:16 <Ammler> isn't that the eagle something? 09:42:28 <DJNekkid> i didnt do the current one, blue_eagle did that with grf-maker 09:42:35 <DJNekkid> but that thing have severe limitations 09:42:54 <DJNekkid> and i've only done a few MU's so far 09:43:02 <DJNekkid> but the plan is to add a repo for it as well 09:43:05 <planetmaker> btw, you were right DJNekkid : it just takes a bit to get the hang of NFO 09:43:15 <DJNekkid> it took me a year 09:43:21 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: feel free to put the repository here, too 09:43:22 <DJNekkid> to actually know what im doing 09:43:30 <planetmaker> well. sure 09:43:33 <DJNekkid> that were the plan alo 09:43:53 <DJNekkid> most of the 2cc set is actually coded on plain luck and guesstimates of what to do 09:43:57 <planetmaker> but the principles are not that hard once you made the step and actually jump right into it. 09:44:02 <Ammler> another 5 years to get to the level of pikka and another 5 for MB ;-) 09:44:09 <planetmaker> it's a steep initial lerning curve which puts off many, I think 09:44:12 <DJNekkid> not that much i think 09:44:32 <DJNekkid> pikka saied the other day that he is impressed with what i've acheeved 09:44:36 <planetmaker> Ammler: I wouldn't think so. It's mostly a matter of your release policy. 09:44:49 <planetmaker> pikka is right :) 09:44:58 <Ammler> well, you made a very good job 09:45:00 <planetmaker> you're definitely one of the 10 best NFO coders, I guess. 09:45:07 <DJNekkid> for trains! 09:45:08 <planetmaker> which are actively around 09:45:08 <Ammler> if we ignore the alignment. 09:45:45 <Ammler> that might be grfmaker, who can do that better 09:46:01 <planetmaker> Ammler: yeah. But the difference between DJN and e.g. Pikka and MB is: he's working with the community and have them test things. The latter two have a hang for perfectionism before release ;) 09:46:04 <DJNekkid> the dutchset is autoaligned with grfmaker i think 09:46:32 <Ammler> but they share at least the experience 09:47:03 <DJNekkid> pikka is actually a really nice fellar 09:47:08 <Ammler> DJ is the best community coder ;-) 09:47:12 <planetmaker> that is true, Ammler . And it's good 09:47:17 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: sure he is. 09:47:40 <planetmaker> hehe. Yes, Ammler :) That's a good way to put it :) 09:47:43 <DJNekkid> he have just about the knowledge of dalestan, without the attitude 09:47:48 <Ammler> oztransltd, another jailed single coder :-) 09:48:02 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: are you sure you have DaleStan's knowledge? 09:48:08 <planetmaker> That, actually, I doubt. 09:48:14 <DJNekkid> no, i ment, pikka :) 09:48:31 <planetmaker> ? 09:48:51 <DJNekkid> pikkabird .... have just about the knowledge of dalestan ... but without the attitude 09:48:54 <Ammler> hehe, there is only one above them all ;-) 09:49:26 <planetmaker> ah. Well. I don't think DaleStan has a particularily bad attitude. He's a bit gruff sometimes. But never really unfriendly 09:49:27 <Ammler> the only one, who can just everything related to grfs 09:49:44 <planetmaker> he's crisp :) 09:50:00 <DJNekkid> well, not unfriendly, but i find him abit full of himselves 09:50:05 <planetmaker> he works efficiently and expects others to be just as to the point as himself :) 09:50:25 <planetmaker> hm.. I don't think he really is full of himself. 09:50:34 <DJNekkid> atleast, when he speaks to newbies, he talk abit above the newbies head 09:50:55 <DJNekkid> i tried to ask him, what i thought were smart questions... 09:51:15 <planetmaker> hm... may be sometimes, yes 09:51:34 <DJNekkid> he took his time to explain, but used a lot of words i didnt understand, and didnt make much more sense then the wiki... 09:52:16 <planetmaker> well. He IS knowledgable. And he has no way to know what you know and not know :) 09:52:37 <DJNekkid> nope... 09:52:40 <planetmaker> So probably he gave a smart answer - on another level than required 09:52:52 <DJNekkid> hehe ... something like that 09:53:10 <planetmaker> but yeah... it's a thin line to walk 09:56:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #29 (Closed): KZ2A horizontal view offsets (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/29#change-130 09:57:02 <DJNekkid> btw. please dont touch any of the engines.nfo mus.nfo and metros.nfo files now 09:57:28 <planetmaker> ok 09:57:39 <planetmaker> until? 09:57:44 <DJNekkid> im done :) 09:57:50 <planetmaker> he :P 09:58:14 <DJNekkid> almost done with W-eu 09:58:19 <DJNekkid> so it's about 40% finished :) 09:59:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Support #57 (Closed): Skipping version 2.03 (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/57#change-131 09:59:31 <planetmaker> well. Alignment is the only issue left for 1.0 officially. Though I'm not sure whether we should not move the 12 missing bytes into that version, too. And the partially read sprit #XYZ 09:59:49 <planetmaker> I think so. I'll move those tasks 10:00:20 <DJNekkid> what is thoose 12 missing bytes anyway? 10:01:49 <planetmaker> I've no idea. 10:02:10 <planetmaker> it's what OpenTTD tells me when I use the grf 10:02:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #45: ignoring 12 unused bytes (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/45#change-132 10:02:21 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #39: sprite 2461 (in revision #37) cannot be processed completely (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/39#change-133 10:02:35 <planetmaker> And I suspect it relates to the issue where sprite <whatever> is only partially processed 10:03:00 <DJNekkid> i have absolutely no idea why that one either 10:03:16 <planetmaker> I looked at it also. No idea so far either. 10:03:45 <DJNekkid> it looks correct to me 10:05:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #69: Alignments of just about everything (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/69#change-134 10:06:23 <planetmaker> sorry for the spam. Now things are grouped correctly wrt target versions ;) 10:08:10 <DJNekkid> btw, what do you think of the little flags on the wagons? 10:08:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #30: SNCS 140C: alignement wrt tracks (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/30#change-136 10:08:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #24: coal wagon is distached from SNCF 140C, Class 11B 0-8-2 (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/24#change-137 10:08:41 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I think the flags are nice :) 10:08:53 <planetmaker> would be cool, if you add to the MU wagons some, too 10:09:06 <DJNekkid> i'll do that 10:09:22 <planetmaker> The strings already reflect that. Don#t worry about thme 10:27:13 <DJNekkid> btw... 10:27:38 <DJNekkid> every time my wife see a train in a movie or on a picture on the net, or on TV or anything, she ask me ... what train is that 10:27:45 <DJNekkid> in 95% of the cases can i tell her that 10:27:50 <DJNekkid> along with some trivia 10:27:53 <planetmaker> :D 10:28:03 <DJNekkid> is that sick? 10:28:09 <DJNekkid> i mean, LOTS of ppl can do that with cars! 10:28:14 <Ammler> yes, it is :P 10:28:35 <Ammler> but now, I know, why you code that set. 10:29:18 <DJNekkid> well, ALOT of that trivia and stuff came from when i did research on stats and similar 10:30:41 <DJNekkid> we saw that movie the other day ... with Angelina Jolie and ... some english dude 10:30:44 <DJNekkid> rather new one 10:31:02 <DJNekkid> there were a pendolino there, the chech one 10:31:08 <DJNekkid> turquise colored 10:31:19 <DJNekkid> and she asked ... Thomas, what train is that? 10:31:50 <DJNekkid> oh, just a pendolino, the chech one, usually 7 units long, with aprox 6000hp 10:32:10 <DJNekkid> wiki pendolino, scroll down until you find CD680 :) 10:32:14 <DJNekkid> she just ... WTF! 10:32:42 <Ammler> hehe 10:32:46 <Ammler> so nice 10:37:04 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I found the error with the partially processed sprites: 10:37:18 <DJNekkid> yea? 10:37:22 <DJNekkid> GJ! 10:37:23 <planetmaker> sprites/nfo/6s-am/engine.nfo <-- the first comment is wrong 10:37:38 <planetmaker> sorry. 2nd / ### instead of // #### 10:37:45 <DJNekkid> ahh! 10:38:11 <planetmaker> shall I fix that now? Or do you include that in your re-alignment? 10:38:18 <DJNekkid> i'll do it 10:38:20 <planetmaker> k 10:41:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #39 (Assigned): sprite 2461 (in revision #37) cannot be processed completely (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/39#change-138 10:41:52 <planetmaker> may I make a commit concerning the shell script, though? It shouldn't hurt you as you can update w/o conflicts 10:42:42 <DJNekkid> ok :) 10:42:55 <planetmaker> well. Ammler, mind if I pipe grfcodec into grfcodec.log? 10:43:27 <Ammler> don't ask me such things, I can always change the script :-) 10:43:45 <Ammler> I agree with everything, which make you comfortable 10:43:46 <DJNekkid> im close to done btw 10:44:06 <planetmaker> pah, Ammler :) 10:44:18 <Ammler> well, in this case :P 10:44:42 <planetmaker> I'd be comfortable with a make file which makes the grfs depending on some parameters :) 10:45:12 <planetmaker> like -G -R for screen output of grfcodec and renum. :) 10:45:29 <planetmaker> :D 10:45:43 <Ammler> yes, I would like to make the GRF title a var, or the string spaces 10:45:59 <Ammler> but DJNekkid would kill us 10:48:02 <DJNekkid> i would? 10:48:11 <Ammler> :-) 10:48:13 <DJNekkid> *load the AG3* 10:48:21 <Ammler> well, you would need to install mingw then 10:48:30 <Ammler> very easy btw. 10:48:32 <planetmaker> hehe :) 10:48:38 <DJNekkid> *get a few more clips* 10:48:42 <Ammler> :-) 10:48:49 <Ammler> bottd does it for you 10:48:50 <planetmaker> Ammler: therefore it's a version 1.1 goal :P 10:49:05 <planetmaker> maybe add a issue "urge DJN to install minigw" :P 10:50:27 <Ammler> yes, here you can use "urge" :P 10:50:45 <planetmaker> :P 10:51:19 <planetmaker> I'm not sure how well stevenh has taken my comment... I cannot read his answer in that respect. 10:52:08 <planetmaker> but he's right, bananas does not allow to change the license of an existing newgrf. You need to update that in order to change the license. 10:55:32 <planetmaker> hm... I hoped the 12 extra bytes in the grf file would be gone, too. That's not the case :S 11:00:17 <Ammler> well, you know, bananas is just better than nothing. ;-) 11:00:30 <planetmaker> :D 11:00:38 <Ammler> it lacks in many cases. 11:01:22 <Ammler> I thought about creating a openttdcoop account, which we can share 11:01:23 <planetmaker> he, yes 11:01:32 <planetmaker> might be a nice idea. yes. 11:01:40 <DJNekkid> there, pushed with -f 11:01:44 <Ammler> Rubi doesn't like it 11:01:45 <planetmaker> with -f? 11:01:51 <DJNekkid> so there might need a merge :) 11:01:54 <Ammler> sounds evil 11:02:07 <planetmaker> uh... why didn't you then merge it, DJNekkid ? 11:02:13 <planetmaker> and update before? 11:02:19 <Ammler> Rubi said, I should ask TB for a sharing feature. 11:02:43 <DJNekkid> because i had edited so many files, i didnt dare to loose it all :) 11:03:01 <planetmaker> uhm. you don't have to in order to do that. nvm. I'll commit the merge 11:03:10 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Mercurial <-- maybe we should update that with a quick merge howto 11:04:00 <planetmaker> Ammler: do you know a way to find out which sprite a position in the grf corresponds to? 11:04:14 <planetmaker> e.g a way to sum up consecutively the sprite lengths? 11:04:24 <Ammler> he? 11:04:28 <planetmaker> and see where it matches or just overflows a certain, given number? 11:04:40 <planetmaker> but... I've another question: dbg: [sprite] Ignoring 12 unused extra bytes from the sprite from 2ccdj_ivb at position 168866 <-- what's an easy way to find out which sprite is causing that? 11:04:43 <planetmaker> ^^ 11:04:52 <planetmaker> what sprite causes that behaviour? 11:05:14 <Ammler> renum doesn't tell something? 11:05:27 <Ammler> btw. where are our 42er errors? 11:05:35 <Ammler> are those all gone with new renum? 11:06:27 <planetmaker> which 42er error? 11:06:50 <planetmaker> well. renum has a few level 1 warnings. 11:07:04 <Ammler> hmm 11:07:15 <Ammler> I don't see any in the nfo 11:08:28 <planetmaker> but those warnings are all re-definitions of IDs which have not been used 11:09:17 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Mercurial (#3) (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Mercurial?version=3 11:09:57 <Ammler> time to release 1.0-RC1? 11:10:19 <Ammler> (and upload to bananas) 11:10:43 <planetmaker> let's first test ourselves 11:11:35 <Ammler> you can define the RC1 for nightlies only 11:11:51 <Ammler> so it is hidden for the 0.7 public 11:12:13 <DJNekkid> hmm 11:12:13 <planetmaker> well. Not needed, I think. But we really should at least have a quick look at them. 11:12:14 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #39 (Closed): sprite 2461 (in revision #37) cannot be processed completely (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/39#change-139 11:12:23 <planetmaker> having a better, bigger testing audience is better IMO 11:12:25 <Ammler> :-) 11:12:27 <DJNekkid> should i add flags to the xmu coaches? 11:12:38 <planetmaker> uhm... yes :) 11:13:34 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you ask about the unused byte issue at #openttd? 11:14:37 <planetmaker> yes. But the channel is deserted 11:19:18 <DJNekkid> should we realign p-list sprites to the right as well=? 11:21:12 <planetmaker> you mean the engines? 11:21:19 <planetmaker> IMO it would look better, yes 11:21:25 <planetmaker> give a better comparison in sizes 11:21:25 <DJNekkid> yes, and railbusses 11:21:28 <planetmaker> yes 11:25:21 <planetmaker> Ammler: not our fault: [13:21] <frosch123> planetmaker: that means you are using a broken grfcodec, as that message is generated for realsprites 11:25:41 * DJNekkid is pushing pixels 11:29:18 <DJNekkid> btw Ammler... what do you think of the swiss flag? 11:29:25 <DJNekkid> it's rectangular atm 11:29:30 <DJNekkid> should it be a square? 11:29:45 <DJNekkid> or is rectangular better for similarity? 11:32:09 <Ammler> well, rectangular is just wrong, but imo, better for the set :-) 11:32:19 <DJNekkid> thats what i ment 11:32:59 <Ammler> #openttdcoop used the rectangular ugly one too, I changed that as soon as I had ssh to that server. 11:33:21 <DJNekkid> well, our flags are made by me :) 11:36:01 <Ammler> hmm, I am not worth credited as coder, yet :-) 11:38:33 <Ammler> DJNekkid: instead of installing the whole mingw 11:38:41 <Ammler> you could just use the windows sed 11:38:51 <Ammler> in your batch 11:38:56 <DJNekkid> what is that? 11:39:24 <Ammler> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/sed.htm 11:39:31 <Ammler> it does replace strings 11:39:42 <Ammler> so we can work with "templates" 11:40:11 <planetmaker> Ammler: then we make one template.sh which both scripts read, I think :) 11:40:20 <Ammler> like {{NAME}}, {{VERSION}}, {{BUYVIEWSPACE}} 11:40:24 <planetmaker> which basically stores the variable contents. Yes 11:40:50 <planetmaker> And then we could incorporate the repo version in the name easily, too 11:40:58 <DJNekkid> oki 11:40:59 <planetmaker> which I think would be great 11:41:14 <Ammler> maybe also for offsets, if they are the same over all 11:41:16 <planetmaker> no more confusion which version a grf file is based upon :) 11:41:44 <planetmaker> oh, yes. Alignment variables. Probably a very good idea :) 11:42:16 <planetmaker> well... it's for another version than 1.0 :) 11:42:31 <Ammler> 1.1 :P 11:42:48 <Ammler> 1.0.1 is just a bugfix release, if needed. 11:42:56 <Ammler> don't need to be the case 11:51:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 85: Aligned all p-list sprites to the right towards the flag (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/85 11:53:29 <Ammler> [13:49] <Ammler> dbg: [sprite] Ignoring 252 unused extra bytes from the sprite from /2ccdj at position 34063 11:53:31 <Ammler> [13:50] <Ammler> I needed to scroll 11:53:32 <Ammler> [13:52] <Ammler> it happens with the 2nd class coach 3rd gen 12:00:21 <planetmaker> Ammler: I only get that debug message once... 12:00:30 <Ammler> pm, yep 12:00:34 <Ammler> you need to restart openttd 12:00:39 <planetmaker> or where and how do you get it? 12:00:44 <planetmaker> how exactly? 12:00:59 <Ammler> I am at year 1990 12:01:06 <planetmaker> I'm in 2055 12:01:24 <Ammler> I start with that year again 12:03:00 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: is actually the display of 1.5 bilevel coaches (4th gen) intended? 12:03:37 <Ammler> dbg: [sprite] Ignoring 252 unused extra bytes from the sprite from /2ccdj at position 33698 12:04:02 <DJNekkid> both the 4th and 5th gen doubledeckers show a wagon and a half? 12:04:03 <planetmaker> I don't get that. Also not with 1990... 12:04:06 <Ammler> 2nd class coach 4th gen 12:04:13 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: only 4th. 12:04:31 <Ammler> seems those coaches are the issue 12:04:48 <DJNekkid> but yes, it is intentional 12:04:53 <DJNekkid> as they are dual colored 12:05:38 <planetmaker> well. both 12:05:42 <planetmaker> I was too early in the game 12:05:49 <planetmaker> ah. again that one :) 12:05:51 <planetmaker> ok 12:27:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj_ivb.grf (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/47/2ccdj_ivb.grf 12:27:57 <Ammler> DJNekkid: planetmaker made a virus with your nice grf 12:28:03 <planetmaker> :D 12:28:18 <Ammler> it kills the pc 12:28:27 <planetmaker> I wasn't successfull. It only kills OpenTTD :( 12:29:34 <Ammler> :-) 12:29:45 <Ammler> for some people OpenTTD is the PC 12:31:18 <planetmaker> haha :) 12:32:54 <DJNekkid> sorry, were afk :) 12:32:56 <Ammler> planetmaker: I can check the grf, I have ttdp 12:33:09 <planetmaker> Ammler: but how. The IDs will kill it. Won't it? 12:33:21 <DJNekkid> it would :) 12:33:21 <Ammler> yeah, I need the test.grf 12:34:06 <planetmaker> hm, yes 12:34:20 <planetmaker> e.g. one engine with some purchase text which is not defined, but called 12:36:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 86: Fix: two strings were not translated to German (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/86 12:36:32 <DJNekkid> that would, afaik, only call the text "undefined string" 12:36:51 <planetmaker> hm, yes. true. I've seen that already. Ty DJNekkid 12:42:17 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#3) (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=3 13:09:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 87: changed the double deckers p-list sprite a tad (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/87 13:21:00 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:23:20 <planetmaker> seems like I am :) 13:23:23 <planetmaker> Thank you 13:24:06 <planetmaker> I removed the -c parameter to grfcodec. Saves us errors as discussed on #openttd. 13:24:22 <Ammler> I quote myself: 13:24:25 <Ammler> [13:36] <Ammler> hmm, I am not worth credited as coder, yet 13:24:31 <Ammler> :-) 13:24:37 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: though... you could write my nick with a small "p". :) 13:25:21 <planetmaker> Ammler: well... :) I would say you are :) 13:25:23 <DJNekkid> bttr? 13:25:33 <planetmaker> say again? 13:25:37 <DJNekkid> *better 13:25:51 <planetmaker> yes :) thanks again. 13:25:56 <Ammler> maybe a link to devzone 13:26:13 <planetmaker> somehow I got used to a small "p". Yes. Link to the repository / issue tracker might be nice 13:26:57 <DJNekkid> in the links-section? 13:27:06 <planetmaker> hm... I'd say in the readme :) 13:27:13 <planetmaker> because that's what people get when they download 13:27:16 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset 13:27:31 <planetmaker> btw: when I fixed the parameters. I made it such that 8=half, 7=1/4 and so on. 13:27:47 <planetmaker> the pricing parameters. 13:28:00 <planetmaker> They were a bit garbeled before for the cheaper prices 13:28:19 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you could theoretically add the website to the repo :-) 13:28:45 <planetmaker> shall I revert is such that 8 remains also default? 13:28:55 <planetmaker> then we have to drop the /256 :) 13:30:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 89: Fix r78,r76: still another two stringIDs were wrong (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/89 13:30:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 90: Change: drop -c as parameter to grfcodec as that produces buggy size... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/90 13:30:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #24 (Closed): coal wagon is distached from SNCF 140C, Class 11B 0-8-2 (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/24#change-140 13:30:28 <DJNekkid> with 8 beeing half is ok imho 13:30:40 <planetmaker> k. Then the readme needs updating :) 13:30:50 <planetmaker> I changed the ingame description already 13:31:07 <planetmaker> I wasn't sure what was right when looking at the code and decided for this now 13:31:09 <DJNekkid> that means, no parameters is full price, i.e. half prices in the "old type" from before xmas or so 13:31:33 <planetmaker> hm? 13:31:55 <planetmaker> I left the default prices unchanged as I found them. And changed the rest accordingly where necessary 13:32:18 <planetmaker> but yes. No parameter = full price 13:32:42 <planetmaker> e.g. 19k DM ~10k pounds running costs for Big Boy 13:34:37 <DJNekkid> 22k $ for me 13:34:49 <DJNekkid> or 67k for the duplex 13:35:26 <planetmaker> yes. 22k$ sounds ok. About the same as DM :) 13:35:57 <planetmaker> well. However they are. I checked that it now nicely goes in powers of two :) 13:36:27 <DJNekkid> oki, good :) 13:37:23 <planetmaker> doesn't mean that I don't do mistakes, though :P 13:37:39 <planetmaker> as is quite visible on the nasty stringIDs. Dunno... how many fixes? 3? 4? 13:39:47 <DJNekkid> look at the online readme now 13:39:51 <DJNekkid> if it suits your needs :) 13:42:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 91: updated the readme (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/91 13:44:13 <planetmaker> hm. we should add a gpl.txt with the set 13:44:41 <planetmaker> gpl requires that. We making the code GPL and the images and whole grf by-nc-nd doesn't make things easier. I'll see to it. 13:45:50 <DJNekkid> why do theese licencing things have to be so damn complicated 13:46:33 <planetmaker> dunno. It's law... it's terrible 13:46:48 <planetmaker> well. Adding it once and then we're fine, I think 13:46:55 <Ammler> I would wait with the license stuff unitl we spoke with Purno 13:47:12 <Ammler> it might be possible, we can turn him to gpl, too. 13:49:41 <DJNekkid> who is up to that? :) 13:50:14 <Ammler> I would speak with him, but he isn't around anymore. 13:50:28 <DJNekkid> add him to msn, or use forum pms 13:50:54 <DJNekkid> mhjw_leppen at hotmail.com 13:50:56 <planetmaker> and then he was one of those people who said explicitly "no derivative is fine as I'll be around forever". 13:50:57 <Ammler> hmm, ok, I write him a pm 13:52:02 <Ammler> hehe 13:53:40 <Ammler> he is off now 13:53:41 <planetmaker> may you have more success than me 6 or 9 months ago 13:53:57 <Ammler> :-) 14:01:11 <Ammler> I have changed the repo updater 14:01:19 <Ammler> so you don't need to call the page anymore 14:01:27 <planetmaker> the page? 14:01:50 <Ammler> you needed to call the repo page so redmine updated it 14:02:03 <DJNekkid> 1-800-redmine? :) 14:02:14 <planetmaker> ah. that one. That's a good change. Thank you 14:02:31 <Ammler> well, now I need a commit to see it working :-) 14:02:40 <DJNekkid> i just commited 14:02:42 <planetmaker> :) 14:03:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 92: BM73 had a glitch on the front heads in two directions (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/92 14:10:39 <planetmaker> Ammler: DJNekkid : see http://paste.openttd.org/182933 as a draft for the license.txt. 14:13:07 <planetmaker> I think we just could and should add it now. removing restrictions from the graphics is done easily and the last part of that file dropped. 14:13:49 <Ammler> well, it would also mean that the GRF is CC 14:14:06 <Ammler> and that would need to be changed in banans :-( 14:14:20 <planetmaker> oh... he... well. It's not yet on bananas. 14:14:33 <Ammler> or in this case, it is a custom license 14:14:43 <planetmaker> but actually... yes ^^ 14:15:18 <planetmaker> and anyone can re-write the grf as he wants and only not change existing graphics. New ones may be added as wished, the code abused as seen fit :) 14:15:32 <Ammler> I would add that to the readme and make a link to the source of the nfo 14:15:42 <planetmaker> or just replace sprites by new ones. 14:15:55 <planetmaker> hm... yes. Shall I add that text there? 14:19:00 <planetmaker> I will 14:24:25 <planetmaker> hm... that readme isn't suitable. As it also refers to the website. It needs an own file... 14:39:22 <Ammler> ? 14:40:10 <Ammler> you could make a wiki page and lock it 14:40:19 <Ammler> or documents 14:41:14 <Ammler> maybe the website does link to the devzone instead of the sprites folder 14:41:27 <Ammler> as those sprites are on the repo, too. 14:42:55 <Ammler> oh, the automatic refresh works 14:42:59 <Ammler> :-) 14:47:27 <DJNekkid> hmm... 14:54:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #30 (Resolved): SNCS 140C: alignement wrt tracks (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/30#change-141 14:54:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #69 (Resolved): Alignments of just about everything (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/69#change-142 14:54:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #31: some wagon sizes on horizontal vs. diagonal tracks (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/31#change-143 14:56:49 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: you should close them :) 14:57:10 <DJNekkid> isnt resolved closed? 14:57:15 <planetmaker> no :) 14:57:23 <DJNekkid> and how do i close then? :) 14:57:30 <DJNekkid> aha 14:57:32 <planetmaker> well. set the status to closed :) 14:58:02 <planetmaker> it basically offers the chance to keep it visible. e.g. for feedback or so, I think 14:58:22 <Ammler> well, the idea was that a 2nd closes it after review :-) 14:59:35 <Ammler> but if it doesn't need review, closing it self, is fine 15:00:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #69 (Closed): Alignments of just about everything (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/69#change-144 15:00:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #30 (Closed): SNCS 140C: alignement wrt tracks (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/30#change-145 15:01:10 <Ammler> DJNekkid: it does automatically change to review, but maybe you like to add a comment, if you did something special... 15:01:22 <Ammler> to resolved* 15:03:20 <planetmaker> Ammler: no, it automatically closes :P 15:03:34 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/182935 <-- I made a plain text readme with everything important in it. 15:03:38 <planetmaker> including license 15:03:51 <Ammler> planetmaker: then you changed it? 15:03:57 <planetmaker> yes :P 15:04:01 <Ammler> ok :-) 15:04:30 <planetmaker> after I commited 3 fixes and then had to go there manually for each, I thought it's better to close it. Pure lazyness :P 15:06:26 <DJNekkid> http://redmine.ammler.ch/attachments/download/48/red-wagons.PNG 15:06:51 <DJNekkid> does the red ones look less big in ___ directions? 15:07:07 <DJNekkid> vs the white and yellow o nes 15:07:09 <DJNekkid> ones 15:08:41 <planetmaker> uhm. The colours look different in the / direction 15:08:50 <planetmaker> e.g. red looks bigger 15:08:58 <DJNekkid> that is the point 15:09:02 <DJNekkid> it's 1px higher 15:09:05 <planetmaker> but I cannot say in __ 15:09:09 <planetmaker> yes 15:09:16 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - red-wagons.PNG (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/48/red-wagons.PNG 15:09:24 <DJNekkid> but it compares better in / -> ___ 15:10:19 <planetmaker> well... but it doesn't look like there's a difference in that direction ... though the one wagon seems to have both colours 15:10:56 <DJNekkid> the ___ direction dont have any changes 15:11:11 <DJNekkid> but the / direction is 1px higher, on the pure red wagons in that picture 15:11:54 <planetmaker> yes. Though the red wagons look equally high on / and -- direction 15:12:13 <DJNekkid> but that is the point, isnt it? 15:12:24 <planetmaker> uhm... maybe :) 15:12:42 <planetmaker> to me the point is that the not-red wagons in / direction have a too small height 15:13:00 <DJNekkid> yes 15:13:06 <DJNekkid> because they arent "fixed" yet 15:13:19 <planetmaker> :) 15:13:25 <planetmaker> ok, seems we agree :) 15:16:16 <planetmaker> hm. Shall we remove the readme.html in the doc folder? It is old and has license references to other newgrfs- which doesn't fit the repository IMO 15:16:52 <planetmaker> and just add the readme.txt which has a link to the nice readme on the website? 15:16:58 <DJNekkid> ok 15:17:44 <planetmaker> we (or you :P ) might add a folder website or so. That then could contain the website 15:18:01 <DJNekkid> sure :) 15:18:21 <DJNekkid> let me just finish this wagon! 15:18:47 <planetmaker> I'll quickly commit this here. So do a hg up before you commit :) 15:20:35 <planetmaker> commited and pushed 15:21:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 94: Change: Add plain text readme.txt with license information. Remove o... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/94 15:21:37 <Ammler> btw, I have "yet another idea" how to implement the region parameters 15:21:49 <Ammler> just list the regions you want disable 15:22:05 <planetmaker> uhm... that's done? 15:22:32 <planetmaker> or you mean a variable number of grf parameters... na. better bit mask :) 15:24:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 95: Remove: doc/readme.html (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/95 15:24:33 <planetmaker> wow... soon we're at 100 revisions 15:27:20 <Ammler> XeryusTC: doesn't need coder credit 15:27:42 <Ammler> as his part is "outsourced" and he got credit there 15:27:44 <DJNekkid> he did some work on the metrotracks :) 15:27:47 <DJNekkid> hehe 15:28:15 <Ammler> then you need to credit foobar, too. 15:28:22 <DJNekkid> agree :) 15:28:39 <planetmaker> http://redmine.ammler.ch/projects/2cctrainset/changelog <-- I like that page a lot :) 15:29:03 <planetmaker> metro tracks? 15:29:27 <DJNekkid> hmm, why can't i push the recent changes 15:29:29 <Ammler> planetmaker: not in 2cc anymore 15:29:43 <planetmaker> hg pull -u? 15:29:49 <DJNekkid> i did! 15:29:58 <Ammler> then hg merge 15:30:06 <Ammler> then hg ci 15:30:15 <DJNekkid> nothing changed 15:30:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 96: fix #31 - Made all modern boxcar sprites 1px longer in the / and \ d... (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/96 15:30:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #45 (Closed): ignoring 12 unused bytes (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/45#change-146 15:30:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #31 (Closed): some wagon sizes on horizontal vs. diagonal tracks (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/31#change-147 15:30:33 <planetmaker> seems to be there... ^^ 15:30:37 <Ammler> :-) 15:30:52 <DJNekkid> seems so 15:31:04 <Ammler> pm DevZone 15:31:14 <planetmaker> hm? 15:31:19 <Ammler> or do you think it is nicer "Devzone"? 15:31:28 <planetmaker> ah. DevZone is nicer IMO 15:31:37 <planetmaker> camel case :P 15:31:43 <DJNekkid> camel toe? 15:31:48 <Ammler> in the readme that is 15:33:02 <Ammler> oh, I don't care you are using dev.openttdcoop.org instead of redmine.ammler.ch 15:34:52 <planetmaker> yeah. Maybe I change it to dev.openttdcoop 15:35:21 <Ammler> hmm, and credit #openttdcoop for Host (DevZone) 15:36:34 <planetmaker> yup, good point 15:38:20 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1429990 <-- no stupid spam filter 15:39:41 <planetmaker> any other changes than you mentioned here? 15:40:16 <planetmaker> hm... this text editors tab is 8 spaces... 15:42:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 97: Fix: doc/readme.txt: it's DevZone and host is #openttdcoop (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/97 15:42:24 <planetmaker> he... a tee | grfcodec.log slipped in :P 15:48:49 <Ammler> .hgignore 15:49:31 <Ammler> rollback? 15:50:21 <Mark> so, wasn't 2cc done a while ago? 15:51:06 <planetmaker> Ammler: I think the change is fine, or? having a log file of grfcodec, too? 15:51:15 <planetmaker> I anyway thought of making it a seperate commit 15:51:39 <planetmaker> Mark: how do you mean? 15:52:10 <Mark> i mean, i already played with it a while ago :) 15:52:39 <planetmaker> well. Everything so far's been a beta version :) 15:52:47 <planetmaker> Of course we played with it, though 15:52:55 <Ammler> pikka or mb wouldn't have released it yet 15:53:01 <planetmaker> yep 15:53:21 <planetmaker> we use the bananas method: ripes at the customer's place :P 15:56:09 <Ammler> ah, pm 15:56:19 <Ammler> I thought you commited the log itself 15:57:19 <Ammler> readme belongs to root, imo. 15:58:17 <Ammler> well, doesn't matter :-) 15:58:33 <DJNekkid> want me to pull down the website and make a subfolder in the docs? 15:58:57 <Ammler> if you do, without the sprites 15:59:07 <DJNekkid> sure 15:59:31 <Ammler> well, we could make changes and you can upload it again. 15:59:50 <Ammler> how do you sync with the webpage? 16:00:22 <Ammler> and you have history of website changes too. 16:01:06 <Ammler> XeryusTC (metro GRF coder) <-- remove or add foobar, I would make the 1st ;-) 16:01:27 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I'd do a seperate folder in root 16:02:14 <planetmaker> so the doc goes with the grf. The website.... well... not :) 16:02:23 <planetmaker> though... why actually not? :) 16:02:34 <Ammler> hehe 16:02:52 <Ammler> well, only the readme goes with the grf 16:03:41 <planetmaker> well, ok. so... what's your opinion, Ammler? 16:03:54 <planetmaker> /website or /doc/website? 16:05:00 <Ammler> /website :-) 16:05:34 <DJNekkid> btw, im afk for a hour and a half or so, football match 16:05:39 <Ammler> is thee no other translation yet? 16:06:09 <planetmaker> portuguese 16:06:13 <planetmaker> but no other 16:06:25 <planetmaker> maybe I bump it again :) 16:06:39 <planetmaker> and make a new thread in general openttd :) 16:09:28 <planetmaker> Ammler: can you check your forum PM? 16:10:35 <planetmaker> I need your advice :) 16:10:35 <planetmaker> or rather foobar :) 16:13:03 <Ammler> why did you suggest svn? 16:15:03 <planetmaker> biggest user base. I actually needed an argument against bazaar. Which nearly no one has. 16:15:12 <planetmaker> I personally prefer hg, though. For sure 16:15:15 <Ammler> imo, as long as foobar is the maincoder, we can use bzr 16:15:38 <planetmaker> well. ok. But my point is: we also want others to contribute. That's the whole point 16:15:51 <Ammler> hmm 16:16:04 <planetmaker> I wouldn't mind to give commit rights e.g. to this person who made the revamp of the text 16:16:10 <planetmaker> or so. 16:16:35 <planetmaker> well.... I have not strong opinion about that. It was just a thought which seems/ed good to me 16:16:54 <planetmaker> svn is most used --> smallest barrier to actively pull and push 16:16:58 <Ammler> well, we can make a "private public key" for opengfx 16:17:21 <Ammler> and then, foobar or you anc just give that key to someone, who should be allowed to commit 16:17:27 <planetmaker> a public private key? 16:17:31 <Ammler> :-) 16:17:44 <Ammler> the opposite way 16:18:01 <planetmaker> we need to hand out the private key, I guess 16:18:10 <Ammler> you make the keypair and give the private key to foobar to use 16:18:16 <planetmaker> yes 16:18:31 <Ammler> and he can forward it to others, he like to be able to share 16:18:33 <planetmaker> well... you propose to use bazaar? 16:18:41 <Ammler> no 16:18:44 <Ammler> HG :P 16:18:44 <planetmaker> yes. sounds reasonable 16:18:48 <planetmaker> :P 16:18:57 <planetmaker> we could make that argument :) 16:19:00 <Ammler> but not svn 16:19:03 <planetmaker> I think he has neither 16:19:09 <planetmaker> so it doesn't matter for him 16:19:18 <Ammler> svn would need us to admin the users, also possible 16:19:41 <planetmaker> hm... how so more than hg? 16:19:53 <Ammler> we could theoretically also make a bunch of private keys 16:20:01 <Ammler> so he don't need to share them 16:20:26 <Ammler> i.e. we give foobar 3 keypairs 16:20:33 <Ammler> only the private key 16:20:39 <planetmaker> would we save that with hg? 16:20:46 <planetmaker> handing out the keys? I guess not, right? 16:21:05 <Ammler> so we could remove the key, if needed. 16:21:12 <planetmaker> we had to walk DJN through that, too :) 16:21:13 <Ammler> but there is another possibilty 16:21:32 <Ammler> http://www.selenic.com/repo/hg-stable/raw-file/tip/contrib/hg-ssh 16:22:16 <DJNekkid> i can walk someone thru it... if he use windows, as i know what to do now 16:22:27 <Ammler> but sharing private keys seems the easiest 16:23:03 <Ammler> we could make wikipage for windows users 16:23:12 <planetmaker> :) 16:23:21 <Ammler> and as he has bazaar already 16:23:26 <planetmaker> May I propose that to him, DJNekkid ? 16:23:27 <Ammler> he has also python 16:24:03 <Ammler> but the same would also work with bzr 16:24:08 <DJNekkid> let me do it abit later... about 2000cet 16:24:25 <planetmaker> well. I'll have to write him. Not right now, DJN :) 16:24:41 <planetmaker> he doesn't seem online 16:24:47 <Ammler> yeah, let me think about it too 16:24:58 <Ammler> redmine has also some plugins 16:24:59 <planetmaker> :) 16:25:21 <planetmaker> I'll give him a partial reply and put you two into the CC of it. 16:25:22 <Ammler> maybe it is possible to manage also repo users from redmine. 16:25:48 <planetmaker> thus he and you will know :) 16:25:58 <Ammler> for me, I prefer bzr then no 16:26:00 <Ammler> ne 16:26:40 <planetmaker> hm? bzr over no repo? 16:26:48 <Ammler> and his arguments about bzr are all true for hg, too. 16:27:04 <planetmaker> yes... 16:27:11 <planetmaker> most at least 16:27:26 <Ammler> well, I won't allow ftp on my server 16:27:30 <Ammler> :-) 16:27:33 <planetmaker> :) 16:27:38 <Ammler> that isn't the fault of hg 16:27:49 <planetmaker> fair enough. That's quite insane from a security perspective 16:28:26 <Ammler> hmm, just that windows still has lack of SSH support, that is kinda annoying 16:28:39 <planetmaker> hm... yes. windows :P 16:30:47 <Ammler> it isn't mainly a security question for me, just another service, which would need support. 16:32:49 <planetmaker> hm... but commit rights restricted to single projects is no problem, or? 16:33:10 <planetmaker> with a completely seperate repository certainly not... 16:51:06 <Ammler> currently everybody can commit everywhere on the hg 16:53:08 <planetmaker> hm, ok 16:53:31 <planetmaker> I personally don't consider it too difficult. That's why it's a VCS... 16:54:16 <planetmaker> also between our different hg repos, hm... yes 17:43:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 98: added the html's of the website (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/98 17:57:16 <Ammler> DJNekkid: no images, css etc.? 18:38:49 <DJNekkid> didnt u only want the html's? 18:39:19 <planetmaker> well. whatever is needed to make that site run :) 18:39:30 <planetmaker> I *think* 18:39:47 <DJNekkid> i'll get * then :) 18:39:57 <planetmaker> the question only is: how many images are duplicated? 18:40:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #71: automatically replace langID in all action 04 by entry in top of file (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/71 18:40:35 <planetmaker> hm... wait. I'll make a (bigger) language commit. And then you get r100 :) 18:40:40 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ^ 18:41:35 <DJNekkid> what would that be? :) 18:42:29 <planetmaker> well... I thought to move the language header (the lengthy explanation) to a seperate file. And then have the NFO files only the strings with a small header which states the language and language ID 18:42:41 <planetmaker> make source smaller and saves much (comments) duplication 18:42:54 <DJNekkid> that is true :) 18:43:04 <planetmaker> and a string fix: the town is called Pyongyang not Pyongynag ;) 18:43:45 <DJNekkid> good :) 18:47:44 <planetmaker> pushed 18:49:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 99: Change: move the header of the language files into a seperate file a... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/99 18:52:03 <DJNekkid> is theese sprites worth it as a fake future (2015ish) fake DMU ? 18:52:05 <DJNekkid> http://users.tt-forums.net/2cc/sprites/mus/re160%20(Germany)%20x.png <-- 18:52:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 101: merge heads (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/101 18:52:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 100: added the rest of the website (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/100 18:53:43 <planetmaker> meh... 18:54:42 <planetmaker> hm... why not? 18:54:54 <DJNekkid> thats what i thought as well :) 18:55:17 <DJNekkid> 150kmh, 70pax, quite low weight 18:55:27 <DJNekkid> american! 18:55:44 <DJNekkid> some chigaco commuter train or something 18:55:51 <planetmaker> that's an argument :) 18:57:40 <DJNekkid> with cummins QSK19 engines or something :) 18:58:54 <planetmaker> whatever that is :P 18:59:09 <DJNekkid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_222 18:59:32 <DJNekkid> well ... i might be wrong here, but i bet it's the most used modern diesel engine in modern MU's 18:59:43 <DJNekkid> QSK19 I6 - 19 L (Used in British Rail Adelante, Voyager, Super Voyager , Meridian/Pioneer and the Desiro) 19:01:12 <planetmaker> ah :) hehe - you really know your way with railways :) 19:01:40 <DJNekkid> im nothing compared to ... MB ... and thoose guys 19:02:04 <planetmaker> :) not yet 19:02:32 <DJNekkid> but, as ive saied before, with the 2cc set i had to do quite some research to get stats and attributes somewhat correct 19:04:52 <planetmaker> yes, that naturally helps a lot :) 19:05:11 <DJNekkid> i've learned LOTS! 19:05:35 <Ammler> oh hapy r100 DJNekkid :-) 19:05:40 <planetmaker> :) 19:05:42 <Ammler> an pm 19:05:45 <Ammler> d 19:05:48 <DJNekkid> i just hope norway gets it act together, and builds a HST net... 19:05:49 <Ammler> p 19:05:50 <planetmaker> and Ammler :) 19:05:55 <DJNekkid> as well as sweeden btw 19:06:20 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/statistics 19:08:18 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 102: Change: give the regions in the English language file names, and no... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/102 19:08:56 <planetmaker> he. It takes off quite well :) 19:09:47 <Ammler> hmm 19:09:52 <DJNekkid> btw, someone should fix the tabs on that one... 19:10:02 <Ammler> planetmaker: isn't generic text useless for openttd? 19:10:28 <planetmaker> Ammler: which generic text? 19:10:39 <Ammler> code FF 19:10:41 <DJNekkid> no 19:10:56 <DJNekkid> FF's are things that are added to lets say the purchase list, error messages etc 19:11:10 <planetmaker> Ammler: they aren't. 19:11:11 <Ammler> hmm 19:11:17 <planetmaker> OpenTTD crashed today, do you remember? 19:11:25 <Ammler> about what did glx/frosch speak then, this afternoon 19:11:26 <planetmaker> that was due to not defined FF strings :) 19:11:49 <Ammler> what won't they support? 19:12:01 <planetmaker> I think what they meant is: newgrfs cannot translate / alter strings of OpenTTD. 19:12:08 <planetmaker> NewGRFs can do so for TTDP 19:12:29 <Ammler> ah ok. 19:12:30 <planetmaker> e.g. newgrfs can use all generic strings for their own purpose in OpenTTD 19:12:44 <Ammler> so not every string is mapable with grf 19:13:08 <planetmaker> well. It is. Every string a newgrf defines. 19:13:11 <Ammler> but they are in ttdp 19:13:26 <DJNekkid> btw, any name suggestions for this DMU thingy? 19:13:37 <planetmaker> But you cannot change e.g. "Train depot" window title by means of newgrf in OpenTTD 19:13:44 <DJNekkid> Chicago Doubler ? 19:13:48 <planetmaker> oh... 19:13:54 <DJNekkid> correct planetmaker 19:14:08 <planetmaker> hm... 19:14:52 <planetmaker> LA City liner 19:16:25 <DJNekkid> LA dont have much trains afaik ... 19:16:28 <DJNekkid> quite wiki: 19:16:28 <DJNekkid> the reaso 19:16:33 <DJNekkid> The most heavily used routes with the greatest ridership and schedule frequencies are in the Northeast Corridor and Chicago metropolitan area. 19:16:45 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: not yet :P 19:16:56 <DJNekkid> hence why i thought of chicago as a good spot for a doubledecker:) 19:17:28 <DJNekkid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metra 19:17:42 <planetmaker> Well :) You see... I just made a random shot :P 19:18:13 <DJNekkid> hehe... :) 19:31:26 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I think the "experimental world record train is not quite as intended. In the train information window 19:32:19 <DJNekkid> elaborate? 19:32:41 <planetmaker> the last engine is shown right of the last wagon. not below 19:32:57 <planetmaker> and the string "world record train" doesn't show anywhere either. 19:33:05 <planetmaker> the latter might be my fault (again), though 19:34:20 <DJNekkid> <planetmaker> the last engine is shown right of the last wagon. not below 19:34:25 <DJNekkid> in the info window you mean? 19:34:38 <planetmaker> build the train. Then look at capacity 19:34:43 <DJNekkid> that is because it have no capacity, and that is, unfortunately, nothing to do with 19:34:59 <planetmaker> or information 19:34:59 <DJNekkid> let me just finish off this chigaco thingy first 19:35:44 <planetmaker> and... another: BDVmot with mailcompartment misses IMO one sprite in that view 19:37:15 <DJNekkid> also, because it's articulated 19:37:25 <DJNekkid> and the mailcompartment is _in_ the engine :) 19:37:26 <planetmaker> probably. yes 19:37:45 <planetmaker> but as it is it looks quite strange at least 19:38:58 <DJNekkid> i know a solution i guess :) 19:40:16 <planetmaker> hm... but it works with the other TGVs... but yes, difference is cargo 19:59:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 103: Added generic strings to the check. (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/103 20:00:14 <planetmaker> behold. Dutch translations will be added by translator himself :P 20:00:34 <DJNekkid> there, train added :) 20:00:42 <planetmaker> ha :) 20:01:03 <DJNekkid> aha, it dont show in p-list 20:01:53 <DJNekkid> it's supposed to look at D0 20:02:48 <planetmaker> hm? 20:03:02 <planetmaker> -1 * 0 04 00 FF \b7 \wxd0F6 20:03:16 <planetmaker> err.... -1 * 0 04 00 FF 01 \wxD0D0 20:03:20 <DJNekkid> -1 * 0 04 00 FF 01 \wxd0D0 20:03:20 <DJNekkid> C3 9E "\nExperimental world record train" 00 // \wxD0D0 POS V150 20:03:53 <planetmaker> and that ID is wrong? 20:04:02 <DJNekkid> not really 20:04:23 <planetmaker> ... but? 20:05:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 104: Add an initial Dutch translation. (Swallow) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/104 20:05:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 105: Merged Ammler's changes with mine. (Swallow) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/105 20:05:27 <DJNekkid> it _seems_ like something isn't called properly :) 20:05:57 <DJNekkid> fixed :) 20:06:08 <planetmaker> hm... there are many warnings about ID whatever redefined before usage... 20:06:10 <planetmaker> oh well 20:07:27 <DJNekkid> there is an unresolvable conflict... 20:08:43 <planetmaker> unresolvable? 20:08:51 <DJNekkid> automatic 20:08:52 <DJNekkid> hmm 20:17:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - 2ccdj_ivb.grf (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/49/2ccdj_ivb.grf 20:18:28 <DJNekkid> how do i resolve an unmergeable error? 20:22:41 <DJNekkid> hmm 20:23:01 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: depends... I'd look at both revisions. Make the file correct and then a hg resolve <filename> 20:23:18 <DJNekkid> i think i fixed it tho 20:23:24 <DJNekkid> but probably not the correct way 20:23:25 <DJNekkid> :) 20:23:25 <planetmaker> the "make the file correct" is the manual part. 20:23:26 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 106: c-dub (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/106 20:23:28 <Brot> [DevZone] Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12151: Merge from trunk (Hirundo) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/12151 20:26:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 107: re-added 7F_english (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/107 20:29:19 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 108: Fix (r104): broken escape sequence (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/108 20:38:12 <DJNekkid> hmm 20:39:16 <DJNekkid> should we call this the final 1.0.0 ? 20:39:29 <DJNekkid> or do you guys want to make some changes to the web-site? 20:41:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 110: fixed the text on hunter railcar, and modified the Chicago Doublers... (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/110 20:41:21 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 109: fixed the text on hunter railcar, and modified the Chicago Doublers... (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/109 20:44:59 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1430260 20:46:11 <planetmaker> [22:43] <Hirundo> Some metros can be coupled, others can't, is this intended? <-- DJNekkid ? 20:46:43 *** Hirundo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:47:05 <planetmaker> :) welcome 20:47:07 <Hirundo> DJNekkid: is it intended that some metros can be coupled and others can't ? 20:47:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 111: moved the scripts out of strings to folder scripts (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/111 20:47:21 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 112: Copy from Portuguese to Brazilian (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/112 20:47:43 <DJNekkid> i dont remember... 20:48:02 <DJNekkid> iirc: can the "single unit metros" not connect, while the "normal" ones can 20:48:26 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I want to fix at least one error... which started to appear when compiling 20:48:52 <DJNekkid> please do! 20:49:09 <planetmaker> A portion of sprite 6203 could not be processed. <-- somewhere the German translation broke :P 20:49:31 <Hirundo> Another question DJ: which train(s) 'can only be 1 unit long'? <- Need to know that for testing translation 20:49:31 <planetmaker> but I'm currently not finding it :S 20:49:52 <planetmaker> he... Hirundo make that a documentation request :) 20:51:13 <DJNekkid> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 20:51:21 <DJNekkid> ottd crashes if i open the metro depot :) 20:51:49 <DJNekkid> atleast in year 2000 20:51:52 <DJNekkid> works ok in 1920 20:52:41 <Hirundo> Do you have the latest trunk 20:52:45 <Hirundo> ? 20:53:14 <DJNekkid> not very latest ... around 15950 20:53:27 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: that's an invalid string ID 20:53:36 <planetmaker> it was fixed this afternoon :P 20:53:50 <DJNekkid> oh... 20:54:00 <planetmaker> guess why :) 20:54:07 <Ammler> well, debugging is fixed 20:54:16 <DJNekkid> you pointed out something? 20:54:21 <Ammler> it is still a bug in the grf 20:54:27 <planetmaker> well. I had exactly that problem 20:54:31 <planetmaker> Ammler: I know... 20:54:39 <Ammler> that was for dj 20:54:53 <DJNekkid> what bug? 20:56:22 <Ammler> @openttd 16366 20:56:22 <Webster> Ammler: OpenTTD 0.7.1-RC2 <http://www.openttd.org/en/news/93> || IPv6 support <http://www.openttd.org/en/news/92> || OpenTTD 0.7.1-RC1 <http://www.openttd.org/en/news/91> || OpenTTD 0.7.0 <http://www.openttd.org/en/news/90> || OpenTTD 0.7.0-RC2 <http://www.openttd.org/en/news/89> 20:57:06 <Ammler> ups, that was wrong :-) 20:58:03 <Hirundo> openttd -d grf=1 complains a lot about unimplemented property 20 i.e. air drag 20:58:32 <DJNekkid> then they should introduce that :) 20:58:42 <DJNekkid> :p 20:59:24 <Hirundo> what do those red squares next to the wagons mean? 20:59:40 <DJNekkid> try to turn on two CC's :) 20:59:45 <DJNekkid> it's just an icon really 21:00:04 <DJNekkid> if one have more then one trainset loaded, one can clearly see what wagons are the 2cc wagons 21:00:48 <Hirundo> ah I see, didn't turn on 2cc when testing strings 21:01:03 <Hirundo> 2nd CC doesn't work for silo wagon though, intended? 21:01:28 <Hirundo> I *think* it misses a 2cc bit somewhere 21:02:12 <DJNekkid> not everything is drawn in 2cc's 21:02:28 <DJNekkid> some stuff is for example in random CC 21:02:39 <DJNekkid> the boxcar for example, the long tanker is another 21:03:06 <Hirundo> it is red/green instead of red/yellow (my 2cc setup) 21:03:27 <DJNekkid> oh, yea ... i see that now 21:03:31 <Hirundo> with green being the palette range for 2nd cc, I grew suspicous.... 21:05:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #71: automatically replace langID in all action 04 by entry in top of file (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/71#change-148 21:05:46 <DJNekkid> fixed 21:07:45 <DJNekkid> btw planetmaker 21:07:54 <DJNekkid> want to make a Dutchset repo as well? 21:08:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 113: set the 2cc flag on the long silo wagon (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/113 21:08:22 <planetmaker> we could do that, yes 21:10:09 <planetmaker> now. That's something I don't understand: A portion of sprite 6266 could not be processed.<-- the error. It's a sprite in the German language file 21:10:25 <planetmaker> But if I remove the _Dutch_ file - the error is gone... 21:10:34 <DJNekkid> try to make a "return" (enter key) at the end of the german file, 21:10:39 <DJNekkid> or the beginning of the dutch file 21:10:42 <planetmaker> If I keep it - and may it be empty - it persists 21:10:48 <planetmaker> good idea 21:11:58 <planetmaker> hm. but not sufficient 21:12:10 <Hirundo> Files should always end with a newline when using hg 21:12:38 <Hirundo> The german translations contains several strings with langID 0x7F, not sure whether it's fixed already 21:13:31 <planetmaker> hm... then it walked in again. I swear I fixed it once... 21:16:05 <Hirundo> for some reason string D070 (capacity changed when attached/use OTTD or TTDPatch r1996+) doesn't appear in dutch 21:21:19 <Hirundo> The sprite doesn't seem to exist in the first place, according to the openttd -d grf=4 debugging output 21:27:26 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1430308 21:28:25 <planetmaker> hm... you added some evil character to the start of your file, Hirundo 21:28:44 <planetmaker> dunno which. I only see it in the renumbered grf as something strange 21:29:20 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 114: Some fixes for the dutch translation. (Hirundo) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/114 21:29:21 <Hirundo> Is it 0xFEFF/FFFE by chance? 21:29:34 <planetmaker> uhm... 21:29:44 <Ammler> we need a virus check for language files ;-) 21:30:27 <Ammler> planetmaker: why doesn't the chck not match anymore? 21:30:46 <planetmaker> //// Language: Dutch^M // Language ID: 1F^M 21:30:57 <planetmaker> whhere does that first funny character come from? 21:31:39 <Hirundo> Had I had a clue, I would have told you 21:31:51 <planetmaker> but that's rendering the whole file useless 21:31:54 <Hirundo> would setting EOL-style to windows help? 21:31:59 <planetmaker> no 21:32:12 <planetmaker> I don't think so 21:35:56 <Hirundo> Opening the file in a hex editor indeed shows some strange stuff 21:36:11 <Ammler> looks fine here 21:36:33 <Hirundo> Problem 'fixed' 21:36:49 <planetmaker> don't commit 21:37:01 <Hirundo> I *think* it was a UTF-8 version of a BOM 21:37:24 <planetmaker> Fix also the funny escape sequences in the 8th(?) last string \U... 21:37:26 <planetmaker> they're wrong 21:37:43 <planetmaker> just use your normal characters. 21:37:57 <Hirundo> still wrong after latest commit? 21:38:10 <planetmaker> No. Now wrong. Correct before 21:38:32 <planetmaker> or at least no error. 21:38:56 <Hirundo> what is the error message? 21:39:06 <planetmaker> invalid escape sequence 21:39:16 <Hirundo> by renum or grfcodec 21:41:06 <Ammler> hmm 21:41:12 <planetmaker> renum 21:41:32 <planetmaker> so. I pushed a version which compiles. But without the escape sequences. 21:41:41 <planetmaker> So, I guess the string is badly broken :) 21:41:50 <DJNekkid> go buy a new one... 21:42:00 <DJNekkid> 4.95e at H&M 21:42:06 <planetmaker> :D 21:44:00 <DJNekkid> well, the dir-struckture of the dutchset is now made :) 21:44:17 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I think you can even create the project yourself :) 21:44:22 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 115: Fix: funny characters in Dutch language file broke compilation (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/115 21:44:59 <Ammler> yes, he can 21:45:14 <planetmaker> Hirundo: if it is an UTF-8 character, you don't need to escape anything 21:45:34 <planetmaker> I'm not sure what you actually want to escape in that string... 21:45:37 <Hirundo> é 21:45:48 <planetmaker> you can just type that. That's utf-8 :) 21:45:52 <DJNekkid> now, if i actually knew how :9 21:46:07 <Ammler> german is still not UTF-8? 21:46:08 <DJNekkid> aha :) 21:46:15 <Hirundo> That 'funny character' was also UTF-8..... 21:46:25 <planetmaker> that was not in a string, though 21:46:37 <planetmaker> it was just randomly in the file header 21:47:00 <planetmaker> strings starting with C3 9E can contain all usual UTF-8 characters 21:47:13 <planetmaker> as long as it is in quotation marks 21:47:26 <Hirundo> should the file itself be utf-8 encoded? 21:47:28 <planetmaker> anything not UTF-8 will be interpreted the "traditional" way 21:47:41 <planetmaker> it should, I guess. 21:47:43 <Ammler> DJNekkid: is good, if oyu use the project identifier the same as the folder you push the dutch set 21:48:07 <Hirundo> You set it to ANSI, it seems 21:48:45 <planetmaker> I just created a generic, new file 21:48:51 <Hirundo> I'll switch back to utf-8 but without the 'funny char 21:49:03 <planetmaker> an copy&pasted the file contents 21:49:38 <Hirundo> your change also caused all tabs to be replaced by spaces :S 21:49:48 <planetmaker> ups. That's bad. 21:51:19 <planetmaker> well. I'm off to bed. Please check whether it compiles when you commit. 21:51:38 <planetmaker> good night folks 21:52:02 <Ammler> nightly 21:52:14 <DJNekkid> hmm 21:52:24 <Ammler> :-) 21:52:29 <DJNekkid> that dutchset thingy needs some kind of .hg it seems 21:53:19 <Hirundo> hg init? 21:53:38 <DJNekkid> do i need to SSH into it or something? 21:53:59 <Ammler> hg init 21:54:10 <Ammler> and then copy the .hgrc from 2cc 21:54:18 <Hirundo> how do I test 2cc compilation? 21:54:30 <Ammler> and change it to fit dutchset 21:54:48 <Ammler> there is a batch for windows 21:54:55 <Ammler> or a shell for nix 21:55:42 <DJNekkid> but wont the site need a HG-something? 21:56:04 <DJNekkid> oh, nvm 21:57:17 <Hirundo> hadn't spotted the .bat 21:58:02 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you can just push your local hg repo 21:58:20 <Ammler> if you have a proper url, it will create the repo on the server 21:59:04 <Ammler> the path to that repo needs then to be added to the redmine 22:00:10 <DJNekkid> i guess something went wrong at some spot :) 22:00:13 <Ammler> /home/ottdc/hg-repos/<project> 22:00:37 <DJNekkid> where is that defined? 22:01:09 <Ammler> hmm 22:01:31 <Ammler> it doesn't work 22:01:43 <Hirundo> goodnight guys 22:01:45 *** Hirundo has quit IRC 22:01:47 <DJNekkid> http://redmine.ammler.ch/projects/dutchtrainset 22:01:56 <Ammler> you would first need to create the hg repo on the server 22:02:03 <Ammler> you can't push to non 22:02:16 <DJNekkid> and how would i create that? 22:02:24 <Ammler> :-) 22:02:29 <Ammler> with ssh 22:02:35 <DJNekkid> oki... 22:03:01 <Ammler> are you familiar with putty? 22:03:07 <DJNekkid> somewhat 22:03:23 <Ammler> well, for later, we need a better security system 22:03:37 <Ammler> then go to the server 22:03:46 <DJNekkid> but not familiar enough it seems 22:04:10 <Ammler> you made the test alreadyy 22:04:22 <Ammler> as we checked, if your key works 22:04:39 <DJNekkid> it works 22:04:47 <DJNekkid> i could not upload to the repo if not 22:05:22 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 116: Backed out changeset feee175afff5 (Hirundo) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/116 22:05:23 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 117: Fix the dutch translation, this time properly, I hope. (Hirundo) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/117 22:05:39 <Ammler> let me create the repo as I am already there 22:05:45 <DJNekkid> let me try first 22:07:18 <DJNekkid> either i did it, or you did it, but it works :) 22:07:37 <Ammler> :-) 22:07:50 <DJNekkid> i _think_ 22:08:03 <DJNekkid> seems like its uploading atm 22:09:07 <Ammler> lol 22:09:13 <Ammler> did you run hg init on the server? 22:09:22 <DJNekkid> yes? 22:09:33 <Ammler> in hg-repos ? 22:09:39 <DJNekkid> i did? 22:09:40 <Ammler> :-D 22:09:45 <DJNekkid> solly! 22:12:20 <DJNekkid> fixable i hope? 22:12:34 <Ammler> I just removed the .hg 22:13:02 <DJNekkid> oki... 22:13:05 <Ammler> did you add teh repo to the redmine already? 22:13:14 <Ammler> settings -> repos... 22:13:25 <DJNekkid> yes 22:13:26 <Ammler> and make it a subproject of NewGRFs 22:16:33 <DJNekkid> and again, i dunno how .) 22:17:24 <DJNekkid> i knew i should not have done this 22:17:57 <Ammler> :-) 22:18:01 <Ammler> you didn't break something 22:22:33 <Ammler> hmm 22:22:55 <DJNekkid> i did? :) 22:27:32 <Ammler> :-) 22:27:42 <DJNekkid> i'll take that as a yes 22:29:33 <Ammler> no 22:29:38 <Ammler> everything looks fine 22:30:02 <DJNekkid> but what would the ssh://-thingy look like? 22:34:56 <Ammler> you made it already right 22:35:05 <Ammler> as the dutchset is on the server :-) 22:35:26 <DJNekkid> oki 22:35:37 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrainset/repository 22:35:39 <DJNekkid> it just didnt have anything in its repo when i checked already 22:35:45 <DJNekkid> but it might have lagged abit 22:36:03 <Ammler> I had to change the path 22:36:28 <Ammler> and it doesn't refresh anymore, when you push on the repo 22:36:42 <Ammler> It doesn now refresh every 2mins 22:36:50 <DJNekkid> oki .)