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05:41:16 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 1: Fix: don't close my command window when compiling OpenGFX (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/1 05:50:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 2: Change: desktop.ini certainly is not needed (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/2 06:02:48 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 06:16:11 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:24:13 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 06:35:16 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Bug #83: forcing the folder name in the build script (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/83 07:20:16 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 3: Fix #83: make OpenGFX compile independent of the directory name it resides ... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/3 07:20:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Bug #83 (Closed): forcing the folder name in the build script (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/83#change-160 07:47:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Bug #84: looking for sprite , found sprite (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/84 07:56:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Feature #85: Improved an OS independent build script (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/85 08:06:05 <Ammler> planetmaker: already has his fingers in the new repo ;-) 08:16:15 <planetmaker> :) 08:16:21 <planetmaker> moin Ammler :) 08:16:32 <planetmaker> yes, I wanted to be able to compile the stuff 08:16:51 <planetmaker> it gave an explicit name of the dir where the whole repo resides in. That's majorly bad 08:23:16 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#4) (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=4 08:23:17 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Getting_started_on_Win (#1) (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Getting_started_on_Win?version=1 08:32:16 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#5) (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=5 08:33:20 <Ammler> but it looks like foobar did a awesome job with it. 08:35:18 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Welcome (#6) (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Welcome?version=6 08:35:50 <planetmaker> well. Except the make script it's decently structured, yes :) 08:36:00 <planetmaker> and quite well maintainable. 08:36:40 <Ammler> didn't check it proper, jsut the first view :-) 08:37:54 <planetmaker> basically, you should also on suse now be able to run compile_win.bat 08:37:55 <planetmaker> :) 08:38:07 <planetmaker> just consider it a multi - platform script right now :) 08:38:26 <planetmaker> I don't get why people always add the .exe to the filename. It's just not needed... 08:47:34 <Ammler> :-) 08:47:56 <Ammler> it is the same, as you need "./" on linux 08:52:57 <planetmaker> hm? yes. but once you have it in the path you don't need either 08:53:16 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Getting_started_on_Win (#2) (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Getting_started_on_Win?version=2 08:57:05 <Ammler> planetmaker: yep 09:26:16 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Getting_started_on_Win (#3) (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Getting_started_on_Win?version=3 09:29:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Bug #84 (Feedback): looking for sprite , found sprite (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/84#change-162 09:47:16 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Feature #85: Improved an OS independent build script (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/85#change-163 10:05:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - OpenGFX_Alpha4.0.zip (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/82/OpenGFX_Alpha4.0.zip 10:08:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - OpenGFX_Alpha3.0.zip (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/83/OpenGFX_Alpha3.0.zip 10:23:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - OpenGFX_Alpha2.0.zip (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/84/OpenGFX_Alpha2.0.zip 10:29:16 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - OpenGFX_Alpha1.0.zip (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/85/OpenGFX_Alpha1.0.zip 10:38:17 <Brot> [DevZone] Dutch Train Set - Revision 6: added ZHESM (DJ Nekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtrainset/repository/revisions/6 10:41:22 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 10:44:17 <Brot> [DevZone] Dutch Train Set - dutchdj.grf (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/86/dutchdj.grf 10:47:05 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 10:52:18 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:53:49 <FooBar_> Hi guys. First time here, so don't be too harsh :P 10:54:13 <FooBar_> Even IRC is a world premiere for me to be honest... 10:55:16 <FooBar_> anyways, I'd like to know a little something about HG before I start messing things up 10:57:31 <FooBar_> say I have a clone of a repo, but in the time that I'm working on some things, someone else has pushed some new commits. What commands do I need to execute in order to sync my local copy, but without destroying the edits I made? 10:58:02 <Ammler> welcome FooBar_ :-) 10:58:10 <planetmaker> hey, hello FooBar :) 10:58:17 <FooBar_> In Bazaar it's "bzr update", but the "hg help update" text worries me a bit... 10:58:34 <FooBar_> Hi Ammler, planetmaker 10:59:08 <planetmaker> well. you need to merge your changes and the one which were made by the other person 10:59:11 <planetmaker> e.g. hg merge 10:59:27 <planetmaker> I guess they will conflict, though, as I basically edited every single line :) 10:59:35 <FooBar_> ah, that makes sense 10:59:52 <FooBar_> yeah, I noticed :P 10:59:52 <planetmaker> e.g. hg pull -u 10:59:55 <planetmaker> hg merge 11:00:04 <Ammler> bascially, if you have the chance to push, you should push as soon as you made a commit 11:00:04 <planetmaker> and then you'll be told where things need manual attention 11:00:14 <planetmaker> and what Ammler sais :) 11:00:33 <planetmaker> once you manually resolved the conflicts, you do another hg commit 11:00:39 <planetmaker> and then better a push :) 11:01:10 <FooBar_> Alright. I think I just have to remember this and see what happens as soon it happens :) 11:01:27 <FooBar_> good thing I know that I shouldn't use hg update... 11:01:29 <Ammler> before you start to work, do hg push -u 11:01:35 <planetmaker> well. There's nothing really bad about a merge. It's what happens with distributed VCS. Also with bazaar 11:01:42 <Ammler> ah hg pull -u 11:01:45 <planetmaker> hg pull -u 11:02:27 <Ammler> then after you made changes, you could make another pull and up before commit 11:02:42 <planetmaker> well. if something changed, hg will tell you :) 11:02:54 <planetmaker> and refuse to commit, unless forced to 11:03:01 <Ammler> but then, you have already commited :-) 11:03:10 <planetmaker> ah, right. commit. not push 11:03:11 <planetmaker> yes 11:03:30 <Ammler> if you pull before commit, you could merge and don't need a seperate merge commit 11:03:33 <FooBar_> slow down a bit you two, I'm getting confused :P 11:03:37 <planetmaker> :) sorry 11:03:48 <planetmaker> basic procedure for me: 11:03:51 <planetmaker> hg pull -u 11:03:53 <planetmaker> edit something 11:03:57 <planetmaker> hg pull -u 11:04:03 <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe you can update the hg wiki 11:04:05 <planetmaker> hg commit 11:04:08 <Ammler> with a procedure? 11:04:14 <planetmaker> maybe hg merge, if needed 11:04:16 <planetmaker> hg push 11:04:19 <planetmaker> Ammler, yes, good idea 11:04:36 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Mercurial 11:05:24 <planetmaker> FooBar_, the other thing, the build script: I'm building it on windows, too. So... if it works here, it should work for you, too 11:05:40 <FooBar_> Ammler, Fx thinks your certificate isn't valid for openttdcoop.org... 11:06:04 <planetmaker> yeah... I added a security exception :P 11:06:46 <Ammler> FooBar_: SSL? 11:06:58 <Ammler> it is written there :-) 11:07:01 <FooBar_> yeah, that one 11:07:05 <Ammler> the certificate is for www.ammler.ch 11:07:20 <Ammler> maybe I will move it to dev.openttdcoop.org 11:07:30 <Ammler> that is why I don't force you to ssl 11:08:26 <FooBar_> Removing the s in https did the trick nicely, as I didn't feel like making all kinds of settings :P 11:08:35 <Ammler> oh, he, I use https, but you didn't :-) 11:09:14 <Ammler> it is a bit annyoing from the new browsers. 11:09:17 <Brot> [DevZone] #openttdcoop - Wiki edit: Mercurial (#4) (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/16/wiki/Mercurial?version=4 11:09:27 <Ammler> don't see, why they made that so ugly. 11:09:41 <FooBar_> anyways, thanks for the explanation on HG! 11:09:45 <Ammler> a plain warning would be way enouhg. 11:09:57 <FooBar_> Before I forget to thank you guys for that... 11:10:21 <planetmaker> no worries, FooBar_ - a pleasure :) 11:10:24 <FooBar_> Well, Fx makes it an error with no other way to go unless clicking lots of buttons ;) 11:10:55 <planetmaker> and if I indeed can talk you into installing MinGW and MSys - it'd be great. It's just a small collection of tools basically 11:11:20 <planetmaker> it doesn't eat permanently ressources as it's not running, just present, if needed. 11:11:37 <FooBar_> I think you already talked me into that, I just said that I'd remove it if it would annoy me :P 11:12:08 <FooBar_> If it only eats resources if it's doing something, then that's fine. 11:12:22 <planetmaker> yes. They work principally like grfcodec and renum 11:12:28 <FooBar_> By the way, why is there an underscore behind my nickname? I didn't set that... 11:12:29 <planetmaker> work, if asked. Otherwise do nothing 11:12:35 <planetmaker> yes, it is. 11:12:45 <planetmaker> err. 11:12:52 <FooBar_> ok, that's good to hear... 11:12:55 <planetmaker> probably Foobar is registered and you got re-named? 11:13:15 <Ammler> /msg nickserv info Foobar 11:13:29 <Ammler> @wiki IRC 11:13:32 <Webster> IRC - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=IRC 11:13:39 <FooBar_> could be... 11:13:45 <planetmaker> it is... 11:13:52 <planetmaker> are you from quebeck? 11:13:59 <planetmaker> *quebec? 11:14:03 <planetmaker> I guess not... 11:14:16 <FooBar_> not really, unless the Netherlands is located in Canada now :P 11:14:19 <planetmaker> but you could ask for it being released. Not used in 3 years 11:14:36 <planetmaker> you can ask in #oftc 11:14:41 <planetmaker> I think 11:17:15 <FooBar_> nah, knowing that it's not me that caused the _ is sufficient... 11:17:44 <planetmaker> :) 11:18:01 <FooBar_> I also don't want to be the new guy that comes marching in and starts demanding all kinds of things :P 11:18:43 <planetmaker> :) well... but your name is well established within (o)ttd(p) land 11:18:49 <Ammler> or rename to foo_bar and keep it. 11:19:01 <planetmaker> and the nick was restered and last used on 27 June 2006. 11:19:06 <planetmaker> *registered 11:19:36 <Ammler> well, I don't think, they release a nick, which is in use. 11:19:44 <planetmaker> Ammler, but it isn't. 11:19:56 <planetmaker> one time register and never used? 11:20:05 <planetmaker> like for two minutes? 11:20:10 <Ammler> if it wouldn't foobar haven't been renamed 11:20:32 <planetmaker> no, you can protect your nick. 11:20:44 <Ammler> there is a foobar on the server right now 11:20:51 <Ammler> just not registered ;-) 11:21:07 <planetmaker> yeah. well... hm. 11:21:10 <Ammler> . /ns status foobar 11:22:07 <planetmaker> hm... true 11:25:39 <FooBar_> well, I don't really care, not even if it likes to put like six underscores behind it :P 11:26:24 <Ammler> well, if it goes to serious usage, you need to, i.e. to become op here to change topic and such 11:26:56 <Ammler> @deop 11:26:56 *** Webster sets mode: -o Ammler 11:28:24 <Ammler> btw. I am now able to limit repo access to single projects if needed, so if we ever will have a person, which needs to be restricted, we can :-) 11:29:00 <FooBar_> Nah, I can change topic without being OP. The topic is said to be “Talk about things hosted and developed on http://dev.openttdcoop.org”, although I managed to change it to nicknames :P 11:29:58 <FooBar_> @Ammler, that's good to know 11:30:43 <FooBar_> Although I currently don't know who should need/want commit rights but can't be trusted with full access. 11:31:21 <FooBar_> In fact, I don't know who would want access in general. Development of OpenGFX has stalled quite a bit 11:31:47 <Ammler> Bilbo maybe? 11:31:58 <planetmaker> well. I'd give e.g. the person who did the font fixing the right to commit that for example. Then he could maybe be talked into fixing it a bit more. 11:32:11 <planetmaker> And it's then easier to get him correct mistakes in what he did :) 11:32:15 <planetmaker> if there are 11:32:39 <Ammler> that was bilbo? 11:32:58 <planetmaker> no idea. But I don't think 11:33:17 <FooBar_> yes, Bilbo updated the font a while ago 11:33:44 <Ammler> FooBar_: everyone can register at the DevZone and post tickets 11:33:49 <FooBar_> recently some other guy came along and did basically the same, so that's still a bit of an issue 11:34:12 <planetmaker> ah, ok. I might mix that up 11:34:29 <FooBar_> @Ammler: nice! I'll update the readme accordingly. 11:34:36 <Ammler> the other guy which coded a lot at beginning isn't around anymore, it seems? 11:35:45 <FooBar_> buttercup? Yes, so it seems indeed 11:36:11 <FooBar_> Last visited: 26 Feb 2009, 01:52 11:36:25 <Ammler> yeah. 11:36:42 <Ammler> oh, btw. you did a awesome job so far with opengfx ;-) 11:37:01 <FooBar_> thanks! 11:37:09 <FooBar_> someone has to do it, so it might as well be me :P 11:37:34 <FooBar_> As nobody else seemed willing to pick it up at the time... 11:38:02 <FooBar_> And now I'm somewhat stuck with it. Not that that's a bad thing though :) 11:38:21 <Ammler> I never coded something with pcx so far, just a bit Action0 and F 11:38:46 <FooBar_> @DevZone: is that since recently that anyone can register or was I just blind the other day? 11:39:04 <Ammler> you were indeed blind. 11:39:33 <FooBar_> thanks :) 11:39:38 <Ammler> :-D 11:40:19 <Ammler> oh, btw, a nice function which irc has 11:40:28 <Ammler> just type "A<tab>" 11:41:41 <FooBar_> that gives me "Ammler:", I wanted "DevZone" in this particular case. But thanks anyways, might be useful sometime :) 11:42:27 <FooBar_> now I've forgotten what I wanted to say... 11:42:38 <FooBar_> ah yes, pcx coding... 11:42:39 <Ammler> that is called highlighting, as I am not always here 11:42:53 <Ammler> but a highlight will blink a bit. 11:43:08 <FooBar_> Ah, is that wat causes messages in the other tab? 11:43:26 <Ammler> do you use photoshop? 11:43:32 <FooBar_> yes, I do 11:43:49 <Ammler> in chatzilla, possible 11:44:10 <Ammler> every client behaves a bit other. 11:44:24 <FooBar_> ah right, different clients. Still a bit msn-minded where everyone has the same... 11:44:34 <FooBar_> anyways, what about photohop? 11:44:38 <Ammler> my client shows highlight like new mail msg in status bar 11:45:02 <Ammler> just wondering, as I have GIMP 11:45:53 <Ammler> the only graphical change I made is the language flag from US -> UK in openttdw.grf 11:46:06 <FooBar_> shouldn't make much difference. You can use anything that can save pcx files basically 11:47:00 <Ammler> well, and I have to use the right palette. 11:47:13 <FooBar_> I happen to be in the position to be able to use Photoshop, but GIMP would do just fine as well. Both programs are way to enhanced for the job actually... 11:47:23 <Ammler> -p flag in codec 11:48:06 <FooBar_> If GIMP can open Photoshop palette files, I can add 'em to the repo if you like, or email them or something... 11:48:16 <Ammler> well, it looks andy also uses it, so... 11:49:02 <Ammler> or use the files section for 11:49:13 <FooBar_> yeah he does indeed. When on a Mac you're almost obliged to use Photoshop :P 11:49:34 <FooBar_> On Windows only if you can get it for free :P 11:49:40 <Ammler> :-) 11:49:59 <Ammler> for my needs, GIMP is more than enough. 11:50:07 <FooBar_> Oh, and don't think the wrong things, I do have a proper license, still free though :P 11:50:20 <Ammler> a bit usage of differen layers, don't need much more. 11:50:47 <FooBar_> If the university is willing to pay, I'm more than happy to use it... 11:51:10 <FooBar_> I actually never use layers when drawing for TTD... 11:51:12 <Ammler> yeah, that i a good marketing, they do it like drugs 11:51:48 <FooBar_> indeed 11:51:48 <Ammler> MS and Adobe give it for free to the students, and if they become buyers for a company, they stick to it. 11:52:36 <FooBar_> well, when I finish my studies, there's always these "license generators" if you know what I mean :P 11:53:49 <Ammler> you can do it quite well without them, today. openoffice, gimp, linux are your friends 11:54:48 <Ammler> he, we get to a talk you feared :P 12:01:02 <FooBar_> not really, I was just uploading the palette files :P 12:01:20 <FooBar_> added it to documents, as I would like to keep files for releases only: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/documents 12:01:32 <FooBar_> or https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/documents if you like 12:02:31 <FooBar_> I tried linux a while back when I busted my Windows installation, but it wasn't really for me. 12:03:08 <FooBar_> Ubuntu worked really nice, but there are too much windows-only things I'm attached to 12:03:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - TTDWinSafePalette.act (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/88/TTDWinSafePalette.act 12:03:18 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - TTDWinSafePaletteWithCC.act (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/89/TTDWinSafePaletteWithCC.act 12:03:19 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - TTDWinFullPalette.act (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/87/TTDWinFullPalette.act 12:03:40 <FooBar_> yes, I know that, Brot, I placed 'em there myself :P 12:13:07 <Ammler> we watch every step, which happens on the Zone :P 12:13:27 <FooBar_> I see :) 12:14:00 <FooBar_> me adding all those old OpenGFX releases must have been quite amusing... 12:14:18 <Ammler> well :-) 12:14:42 <Ammler> I use the server for torrents, too. 12:14:59 <Ammler> so files < 350 MB don't bother me ;-) 12:17:03 <FooBar_> I'm about to install MinGW. Would you recon that it's interesting to install the Objective C Compiler if I ever want to compile OTTD myself? I did select the C++ compiler, but don't know what Objective C is all about... 12:18:20 <Ammler> I would use the openttd wiki then, maybe 12:18:37 <Ammler> djn did just install buildottd 12:18:58 <FooBar_> doesn't work on Vista... 12:19:03 <Ammler> planetmaker: is your howto also ready for openttd builds? 12:21:46 <Ammler> oh, indeed, 12:21:55 <Ammler> vista is "skip-os" btw. 12:22:12 <Ammler> xp -> win7 12:22:34 <Ammler> currently, it is a bad time to buy a pc 12:23:17 <FooBar_> well, it came with my notebook and to be honest I like it better than XP. It sometimes doesn't do what it should do, but you get attached to some features really... 12:23:31 <Ammler> :-) 12:23:43 <FooBar_> anyways, nevermind the objective c, seems unneccesary for ottd 12:24:19 <Ammler> you get serious answers from #openttd, if you want :-) 12:26:07 <FooBar_> about Vista or about MinGW? 12:27:06 <FooBar_> I think I have my MinGW answers here: http://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_MinGW. And I'm not interested in Vista answers atm, then I never get MinGW installed today :lol: 12:27:07 <Webster> Title: Compiling on MinGW. - OpenTTD (at wiki.openttd.org) 12:27:46 <planetmaker> Ammler, my "howto" doesn't cover all pre-requisites for building OpenTTD 12:28:03 <planetmaker> you need some more dependencies, libraries for it in order to get a working binary 12:37:10 <FooBar_> well, i have mingw and msys installed now 12:38:57 <FooBar_> path variable is getting awefully full now :P 12:41:07 <FooBar_> hmmmz...no it doesn't 12:41:17 <FooBar_> although it should 12:42:32 <FooBar_> maybe some Vista issues not allowing the installer to do so... 12:58:28 <FooBar_> seems to be alright now with the RC of msys and me manually adding the path var... 13:01:53 <planetmaker> FooBar_, does e.g. "make" no do something sensible on your windows command prompt? 13:03:05 <FooBar_> make is not recognised as command on windows cmd. It does do something on msys 13:04:12 <FooBar_> maybe I have to add msys/bin to PATH as well? 13:09:03 <FooBar_> I think i'll just clone the 2cc set repo and see what that makefile does 13:10:11 <FooBar_> need to do a reboot, brb 13:10:24 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 13:17:03 *** FooBar_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:24:17 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Feature #85 (Assigned): Improved an OS independent build script (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/85#change-164 13:38:43 <planetmaker> FooBar_, yes, add that path, too 13:39:16 <planetmaker> uh? You don't need a reboot for a path change. Just open a new command shell and you're fine... 13:39:31 <FooBar_> or not, the 2cc makefile worked from the msys terminal 13:39:51 <FooBar_> reboot was for something else. I decided that I wanted tortoiseHG in a different dir 13:40:12 <FooBar_> so I had to reinstall that, and it asked me to reboot, so I did :P 13:42:15 <FooBar_> on the other hand I might want to add msys to the PATH, as I coudn't do tab to complete a dir/filename and because msys gives me very loud beeps if I do something wrong. Scares the heck out of me :) 13:43:36 <Ammler> how did you add the private key? 13:45:01 <FooBar_> using pageant.exe thingy provided with tortoiseHG 13:45:46 <FooBar_> that's why I needed to reinstall tHG; Vista didn't allow pageant to remember the key inside the program files folder... 13:47:09 <FooBar_> although it doesn't seem to behave differently now... Oh well... 13:47:10 <Ammler> ok 13:47:25 <Ammler> that is the same as djn does it finally. 13:47:45 <Ammler> "theoretically, it should work without pageant" 13:48:07 <Ammler> FooBar_: what do you mean with keep? 13:48:15 <Ammler> remember* 13:48:44 <Ammler> maybe you like to try with parameter -i on mercurial.ini 13:48:50 <Ammler> -i <private_key> 13:48:55 <FooBar_> as soon as I exit and restart Pageant, I have to put the key back in... 13:49:51 <FooBar_> also I just tried without Pageant, gives me a "No supported authentication methods available" error in a popup and a "no suitable response from remote hg[command interrupted]" in command prompt 13:50:10 <Ammler> that is usal behavior isn't? 13:50:23 <Ammler> you might use a passphrase 13:50:49 <Ammler> yep 13:50:59 <Ammler> but -i <key> in mercurial ini? 13:51:00 <FooBar_> in fact I do use a passphrase 13:51:20 <Ammler> if you use passphrase, pageant is the way to do it. 13:51:35 <Ammler> I use different key pairs, some have, some don't 13:51:51 <Ammler> i.e. for server->server without 13:52:31 <FooBar_> so if I were to remove the passphrase, it shoud work without pageant? 13:57:04 <Ammler> no 13:57:15 <Ammler> but you could add it to mercurial ini 13:57:35 <Ammler> or maybe pageant can remember it 13:58:00 <FooBar_> I rather not have to start pageant every time, so adding to mercurial.ini might be useful 13:58:23 <FooBar_> where exactly do I put that then? 13:59:15 <FooBar_> there are a lot of sections in there... 14:00:12 <FooBar_> maybe to this here 14:00:17 <FooBar_> ; In order to push/pull over ssh you must specify a ssh tool 14:00:19 <FooBar_> ssh = "C:\dev\TortoiseHg\TortoisePlink.exe" -ssh -2 14:04:12 <Ammler> it is a ssh option 14:04:18 <Ammler> -ssh -2 -i ... 14:04:25 <Ammler> but it didn't work for djn 14:05:09 <Ammler> if it works for you, it might be worth to tell :-) 14:06:43 <FooBar_> i'll have a go at it... 14:08:32 <FooBar_> it does something else now "remote: Unable to use key file "foobar2.ppk" (unable to open file)" 14:08:50 <FooBar_> still not what we want, but something else nevertheless 14:10:44 <Ammler> FooBar_: try with full path 14:11:27 <FooBar_> yep, that does the trick. 14:11:52 <FooBar_> Note that I use a key file without a password set 14:11:54 <Ammler> hmm 14:12:04 <Ammler> so can you paste your line 14:12:16 <FooBar_> let me see what it does with a password 14:12:28 <FooBar_> ssh = "C:\dev\TortoiseHg\TortoisePlink.exe" -ssh -2 -i C:\dev\TortoiseHg\foobar2.ppk 14:13:45 <FooBar_> with password works as well; it popups a dialog asking for it, so I'll be using that for terms of safety and all... 14:14:47 <planetmaker> that's ok :) I also always enter my PW when I commit. 14:15:00 <planetmaker> (my key is also pw protected) 14:15:14 <Ammler> well, I use pageant 14:15:28 <Ammler> first command in my console is: ssh-add 14:15:39 <planetmaker> yes... I'll install it also one day :) 14:15:44 <planetmaker> and then I'll ask you :P 14:15:52 <Ammler> hmm 14:15:58 <Ammler> suse did that already ;-) 14:16:07 <Ammler> I am kinda sure, you have that already there, too. 14:16:23 <Ammler> run ssh-add 14:17:37 <planetmaker> I have it installed, yes 14:17:42 <planetmaker> just not in the ini 14:18:10 <planetmaker> does it work on all consoles, if started in one? 14:19:00 <planetmaker> it does.... :) 14:21:11 <Ammler> the ssh agent has nothing to do with hg 14:21:25 <Ammler> like pagent 14:22:20 <planetmaker> yes, I know 14:22:46 <planetmaker> I also didn't test with hg but with sshmz and sshps :) 14:22:58 <planetmaker> obvious local alias, I think :) 14:48:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #81: precompiler? (DJNekkid) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/81#change-165 14:54:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #81: precompiler? (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/81#change-166 15:11:21 <planetmaker> ^ do you have an opinion on that, Ammler? 15:11:31 <Ammler> yes 15:11:33 <Ammler> :-) 15:11:55 <Ammler> just pushed "update on that ticket :-) 15:15:18 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 4: [Bug #82] Fixed close button alignment (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/4 15:15:19 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Bug #82 (Closed): close window button (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/82#change-167 15:15:24 <Ammler> just ran make clean 15:15:37 <Ammler> but still have the sprites/nfo/??.nfo 15:16:17 <planetmaker> they are very old. 15:16:23 <planetmaker> and not generated automatically anymore 15:16:30 <Ammler> very old? 15:16:37 <planetmaker> they now have the same name as the directory 15:16:43 <Ammler> ah, ok 15:16:44 <planetmaker> e.g. delete them by hand 15:16:55 <planetmaker> subsequently it will work :) 15:17:19 <Ammler> hg update null 15:17:35 <Ammler> delete everything except .hg 15:17:36 <planetmaker> once I have the directory name it's easier to reuse that than generate yet another filename :) 15:17:39 <Ammler> hg update 15:17:40 <planetmaker> what? 15:17:47 <Ammler> and you have a very clean working copy :-) 15:17:50 <planetmaker> :D 15:18:01 <planetmaker> does that work? 15:18:05 <Ammler> yes 15:18:10 <FooBar_> sorry to disturb your conversation here, but does redmine automatically update an issue to be closed if I add the issue # in the commit message? 15:18:10 <planetmaker> nice 15:18:14 <Ammler> that is the command to remove the working copy 15:18:31 <planetmaker> FooBar_, for certain words contained in there: yes 15:18:33 <Ammler> FooBar_: didn't it? 15:18:39 <planetmaker> like bug, issue, fix 15:18:45 <planetmaker> we can configure it and we did 15:18:52 <Ammler> [17:15] <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Bug #82 (Closed): close window button (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/82#change-167 15:19:01 <Ammler> did you make that manually? 15:19:27 <FooBar_> yes, it did indeed. I discovered that when I was manually updating the issue and when I wanted to submit that, it told me that somebody else already had done that... 15:19:39 <planetmaker> :) it was you yourself :) 15:19:53 <FooBar_> only I didn't know it was me :P 15:19:58 <planetmaker> :) 15:20:18 <Ammler> planetmaker: is a very lazy guy, so we had to enable that feature ;-) 15:20:32 <planetmaker> fixes,closes,fix,close,issue, bug 15:20:43 <planetmaker> ^^ that preceeding #XX closes the issue 15:21:06 <FooBar_> good to know, saves some trouble updating the issue :) 15:21:12 <planetmaker> yes, indeed 15:21:31 <planetmaker> and we're all lazy, aren't we? ;) 15:22:00 <FooBar_> only if we know we can be lazy :P 15:22:18 <planetmaker> otoh this automatic behaviour requires to know the issue number when you type your commit message :) 15:23:23 <FooBar_> true, but I wanted to add the issue number so I looked it up. Also because I figured that I had to close the issue manually, I had to look it up anyways. 15:23:40 <planetmaker> :) 15:24:02 <FooBar_> now carry on talking to Ammler ;) 15:24:42 <planetmaker> :P 15:25:23 <Ammler> forgot 15:30:17 <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Feature #81: precompiler? (Ammler) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/81#change-168 15:36:56 <Ammler> this ugly underline 15:37:07 <Ammler> why did we use that for the filename? 15:37:17 <Ammler> but didn't for project 15:37:34 <planetmaker> he 15:38:20 <Ammler> and why not 2cc_train_set.grf? 15:38:42 <Ammler> now we have already 3 different names at version 1 :-) 15:38:52 <Ammler> 4 2ccdj is the other 15:38:53 <planetmaker> actually.... by means of proper pre-processor and sed files, it'd be possible to actually write something like a more high-level NFO code 15:39:03 <planetmaker> hehe :) 15:39:15 <planetmaker> why 4? 15:39:32 <planetmaker> hm... the name is 2cc_trainset.grf? 15:39:56 <planetmaker> then you're maybe right that we change the name of the file to without _ 15:42:46 <Ammler> :-) 16:03:19 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - OpenGFX_Alpha4.2.tar (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/90/OpenGFX_Alpha4.2.tar 16:57:12 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/tab/show/2cctrainset 17:52:18 <Ammler> [19:15] <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Valid UTF-8 sequences between 0x20 and 0xFF should be allowed as is instead of being treated as control codes (r16374) 19:52:22 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:52:35 <DJNekkid> 'elo FooBar_ :) 19:53:06 <DJNekkid> and others for that matter :) 20:00:17 <DJNekkid> Ammler or planetmaker... are u there? 20:00:45 <planetmaker> a bit 20:00:55 <Ammler> a lot 20:01:50 <DJNekkid> is it possible to make the dutchset stuff only available to thoose and thoose accounts? 20:02:12 <planetmaker> yes. but why? 20:02:32 <DJNekkid> Hyronymus 20:02:32 <DJNekkid> Message subject: Re: Planning v1.5Folder: Inbox 20:02:33 <DJNekkid> No, but I don't want strangers to be able to acces the code. That was my only concern. Same goes with downloading it, I don't want anyone but "the team" to be able to download test versions there. 20:02:54 <planetmaker> :O 20:03:07 <Ammler> hmm 20:03:14 <planetmaker> can you convince him to skip that? 20:03:18 <planetmaker> that concern? 20:03:23 <DJNekkid> i have no idea 20:03:25 <Ammler> at least after the release? 20:03:39 <Ammler> or is that meant forever? 20:03:42 <DJNekkid> after release is it probably no problem 20:03:50 <planetmaker> because... I understand Ammlers concern: this is an open source server :) 20:04:11 <DJNekkid> well, i guess i can remove the "make script" and such 20:04:25 <Ammler> the main goal should be that everything becomes GPL here. :-) 20:04:35 <planetmaker> that's bullshit to remove the build script IMO 20:05:05 <planetmaker> what standing does Hyronimus have in that set? 20:05:28 <DJNekkid> the boss as far as i can see :) 20:05:33 <planetmaker> he 20:06:07 <Ammler> well, the problem which I do understand is, he don't want others to use preversions 20:06:20 <planetmaker> but I don't think there is a problem 20:06:36 <DJNekkid> Ammler: same here 20:07:00 <Ammler> DJNekkid: but as there is already a release, it shouldn't be a problem 20:07:03 <planetmaker> while that is in principle possible here - so what? it's not a release? 20:07:39 <DJNekkid> there is already a version 1.1 or something out... 20:07:55 <planetmaker> and as there is a grf... no one except for private purposes will build a grf... 20:08:18 <planetmaker> or you have to use a make script like 2cc which inserts the repository version :) 20:08:33 <planetmaker> well... like is planned there :P 20:08:48 <Ammler> hehe, just liked to ask, if that is already in :P 20:09:36 <Ammler> DJNekkid: it is up to you, you can make it private but the source should become gpl 20:10:18 <planetmaker> I'd be majorly sad if it'd become a private project. 20:10:24 <Ammler> and then you HAVE TO open the project with the release 20:10:34 <planetmaker> condition sine qua non 20:10:36 <planetmaker> ^^ 20:10:47 <DJNekkid> all my code will be GPL, no matter what anyone say... 20:11:31 <planetmaker> there certainly is a difference between GPL code and making every single commit available. 20:11:46 <planetmaker> but I don#t understand why that difference has to be made :) 20:12:07 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: does Hyronimus know that the code is (going to be) GPL? 20:12:08 <FooBar_> Hi all, please carry on, I'll be reading up on what I've missed :P 20:12:34 <Ammler> how is the train set licensed now? 20:12:42 <DJNekkid> i have absolutely no idea 20:12:56 <planetmaker> maybe sort that out before you invest too much time ;) 20:13:07 <planetmaker> and as you're the coder, you have IMO quite a strong position 20:13:27 <planetmaker> up to the point of "either that or not me" ;) 20:13:59 <DJNekkid> according to the dutchset pages doesnt it say anything 20:14:00 <Ammler> we still have the license issue with purno ;-) 20:14:05 <DJNekkid> do u know anything FooBar_ ? 20:14:27 <Ammler> then it is most likely CC-ND 20:15:23 <FooBar_> yes, CC BY-NC-ND iirc 20:15:49 <planetmaker> mäh :S 20:15:54 <Ammler> hehe 20:16:15 <planetmaker> same license stuff as with 2cc train set, DJNekkid ? :) 20:16:22 <DJNekkid> i guess :) 20:16:33 <DJNekkid> btw FooBar_... did you do anything with the trams yet? 20:16:37 <FooBar_> I believe everything Purno is involved in is ND 20:16:40 <DJNekkid> bananas or something=? 20:16:42 <Ammler> well, it is the easy part, if you don't know, what the opinion of the other authors is, make it ND, so nobody has to fear, it will be used without asking him.$ 20:16:56 <planetmaker> you should sort that out with him rather earlier than later, then, DJNekkid 20:17:13 <DJNekkid> i just sent a pm to the dutchset guys... 20:17:22 <DJNekkid> To: Hyronymus Snail lobster Bastiaan Purno BlueEagle_nl 20:17:22 <DJNekkid> Message 20:17:22 <DJNekkid> btw, what kind of license are you guys thinking about with this set? 20:17:22 <DJNekkid> to be quite clear, from my side do i want GPL. If not the images and such, atleast my code is/will be just that. 20:17:25 <FooBar_> DJNekkid: I updated the ttdpatch parts accordingly, but it appears that patch doesn't understand that part of NFO. Unsure what to do about that.... 20:17:36 <DJNekkid> patch sux! :p 20:17:39 <planetmaker> :) 20:18:06 <Ammler> hmm, I want to make a patch 2cc set :P 20:18:15 <planetmaker> (the smiley did refer to the pm you sent) 20:18:21 <FooBar_> well, a decision was made long time ago, so I'll have to accept that I think... 20:18:44 <DJNekkid> could always skip that part, simliar with the others? 20:18:53 <DJNekkid> but i find it wierd that patch did not accept that codeline? 20:18:54 <FooBar_> DJNekkid: If you make your code GPL, that can be quite interesting... 20:19:05 <planetmaker> hehe :) 20:19:06 <Ammler> 2cc is that way 20:19:10 <planetmaker> FooBar_: 2cc is 20:19:11 <DJNekkid> why? 20:19:25 <planetmaker> only on bananas we messed up to mark it as a custom license 20:19:26 <FooBar_> they can either make the whole set GPL and use your code, or just not use your code 20:19:52 <DJNekkid> if they dont wany my code, their loss :) 20:19:55 <planetmaker> custom license: code = GPL, images = CC-BY-NC-ND 20:20:04 <planetmaker> which is IMO kinda stupid, but alas 20:20:06 <FooBar_> grf is? 20:20:24 <Ammler> grf isn't gpl 20:20:37 <FooBar_> imo you can't build a releasable grf with that combination 20:20:38 <Ammler> grf is custom or CC-ND 20:20:44 <planetmaker> FooBar_: of course 20:20:51 <Ammler> snd the nfo is GPL 20:21:05 <planetmaker> custom licenses can specify anything 20:21:31 <planetmaker> the whole compiled grf is therefor ND because of the images, but the source code is GPL 20:21:40 <FooBar_> gpl enforces all derivatives (i.e. build of nfo code) to be gpl. cc enforces the same 20:21:44 <planetmaker> no, it's only 2nd best solution 20:21:47 <FooBar_> bit of a legal issue i think 20:21:54 <planetmaker> FooBar_: yes. derivatives 20:22:02 <planetmaker> but I can consider images and code seperate 20:22:20 <planetmaker> I can replace the images by anything, I think 20:22:25 <planetmaker> which is pcx 20:22:28 <FooBar_> ok, but once they're a grf, you can't consider them seperate... 20:22:48 <FooBar_> but then IANAL 20:22:50 <FooBar_> :P 20:22:55 <Ammler> :-) 20:22:56 <planetmaker> well... yes. but you're explicitly allowed to use and re-use the source code 20:23:04 <planetmaker> and we are neither. 20:23:10 <planetmaker> neither lawers 20:24:06 <DJNekkid> but i dont see why people are so uptight about theese things ... it's a free game, with free artwork from the begining with, and everything is voulenteer work all the way 20:24:29 <FooBar_> agreed 20:24:31 <DJNekkid> and with all voulenteer work, people are bound to loose interest, and if or when that happens, other people should be free to take over 20:24:53 <Ammler> that is the point, if you would get paid for your work, you wouldn't care, but so 20:25:49 <Ammler> but imo GPL ensures that, if you use someones images, you have to credit him and again to publish it with GPL 20:26:41 <FooBar_> yep, and so does CC BY-NC-SA, which is a lot more open than CC BY-NC-ND. 20:27:33 <planetmaker> yes, indeed 20:27:34 <Ammler> well, the problem with CC licenses I have is, that you don't need to publish the source afaik. 20:27:50 <FooBar_> I don't see the point in the ND part, if BY-NC-SA protects everything you would want to protect, if you really want to use CC 20:28:10 <planetmaker> :) Thank you FooBar_ :) 20:28:18 <FooBar_> Ammler: correct. Not having to release the source could be a feature as well ;) 20:28:27 <FooBar_> planetmaker: for what? 20:28:34 <Ammler> :-) 20:28:40 <planetmaker> It's sometimes nice to read that some very talented newgrf guys think the same lines :) 20:29:06 <DJNekkid> are you refereing to me and FooBar_ now? :p 20:29:15 <planetmaker> But yes... GPL for the source code is IMO nicer :) 20:29:18 <FooBar_> I think so, I'm not "some" :P 20:29:18 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: both :) 20:29:30 <planetmaker> pfft! 20:29:35 <Ammler> andy and zeph thing similar too 20:29:39 <FooBar_> anyways, thanks for the compliment 20:29:40 <DJNekkid> yup... 20:29:42 <Ammler> think* 20:30:01 <DJNekkid> btw, it were FooBar_ that taught be the first few stubeling steps of newgrf :) 20:30:03 <Ammler> or DankMacK and Zimmlock 20:30:22 <FooBar_> Even Pikka thinks somewhat the same, he doesn't license anything, but as soon as you ask he'll give you anything you need 20:30:39 <Ammler> danmac writes public domain but means gpl ;-) 20:30:44 <FooBar_> lol 20:31:06 <Ammler> public domain with credits is imo gpl 20:31:17 <planetmaker> yes, true :) Though "no license" is dangerous in that terms that it is lost, if he isn't reachable anymore. 20:31:19 <FooBar_> public domain doesn't exist in my country, so I would have to credit him anyways... 20:31:26 <planetmaker> though his custom license is ... ok 20:31:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: he has a license 20:31:43 <Ammler> public domain 20:31:54 <planetmaker> does Pikka have public domain? 20:32:06 <Ammler> no 20:32:11 <planetmaker> :) 20:32:13 <Ammler> pikka has CC-ND 20:32:14 <FooBar_> only if you ask first :P 20:32:30 <Ammler> (I meant danmack 20:32:39 <planetmaker> which is IMO the whole problem, FooBar_ :) 20:32:59 <planetmaker> a good license tells you what you may do without asking :) 20:33:09 <Ammler> indeed, pikkas work is lost if he would drop. 20:33:31 <FooBar_> granted 20:34:44 <DJNekkid> btw FooBar_... 20:34:52 <FooBar_> yes 20:35:00 <DJNekkid> did you try the dutchset.grf i uploaded to the repo earlier today? 20:35:11 <DJNekkid> it have an intersting feature :) 20:35:20 <FooBar_> no, I haven't... 20:35:47 <DJNekkid> all mu's will be a one-click buy 20:35:56 <Ammler> yeah, change the topic, license talk will never stop else, thanks :-) 20:36:07 <DJNekkid> and where they can have different length, they will only need a refit :) 20:36:10 <FooBar_> oh, that's sweet :P 20:36:48 <DJNekkid> in other words... no more "more" "stop" etc 20:36:50 <FooBar_> Ammler: I think us lot pretty much agrees on the license subject ;) 20:36:50 <planetmaker> :) 20:37:49 <DJNekkid> nifty trick tho ... all MU's are built as a articulated engine, with invisible parts etc 20:37:59 <DJNekkid> for example, the mat64 can have both 2 and 4 parts 20:38:13 <DJNekkid> the 2 parter is in reality 4x 4/8th length sprites 20:38:32 <DJNekkid> where the first and 3rd is "real" sprites, and 2 and 4 is blank ones, and have no capacity 20:38:34 <planetmaker> FooBar_: probably. :) And luckily :) 20:38:51 <FooBar_> i was thinking about such a feature, but never got around making a proof of concept. Now you've done that for me ;) 20:39:00 <planetmaker> nice it is indeed, DJNekkid :) 20:39:16 <Ammler> not sure about :-) 20:39:26 <planetmaker> hehe. Nice "pressure" util: make it GPL or skip this :P - but I won't go there again :) 20:39:35 <Ammler> isn't there also a rv set using that for trams? 20:39:52 <planetmaker> I think so. With two or three cars 20:39:55 <DJNekkid> and the nice thing is... sprites/wagons with 0 capacity, isnt shown in the grf-list 20:40:03 <Ammler> egrvts? 20:40:12 <DJNekkid> not that i know of? 20:40:26 <planetmaker> not sure. Might be German trams? 20:40:32 <planetmaker> or something. Some tram set 20:40:59 <FooBar_> just tried it ingame, works really sweet. 20:40:59 <DJNekkid> but, i guess zyph could do the same with the EGRTVS, to spare IDs, he could make all horse thingins into one 20:41:29 <FooBar_> yep, but with the engine pool there's no real need to spare IDs, is there? 20:41:37 <FooBar_> granted, the purchase list is a bit clogged... 20:41:37 <DJNekkid> partly 20:41:49 <DJNekkid> there can only be this many articulated engines in one grf 20:41:58 <DJNekkid> 127 iirc 20:42:10 <DJNekkid> 00 -> 7F 20:42:12 <planetmaker> I read / heard that, too 20:42:15 <planetmaker> but... 20:42:35 <FooBar_> ...they really need to fix that ;) 20:42:42 <planetmaker> hehe :) 20:42:53 <DJNekkid> im not sure why it cant be used the whole way up to FF tho... 20:43:00 <FooBar_> DJNekkid: there's also a 3-part ICM :P 20:43:16 <DJNekkid> FooBar_: try to build a ICM before 1990 please :) 20:43:19 <planetmaker> But too much realism hurts, if applied for all trains and you cannot buy your wagons seperately anymore :) 20:43:27 <FooBar_> possibly because +0x80 does something different 20:43:38 <FooBar_> DJNekkid: ah, I started the game in '90. 20:43:51 <DJNekkid> hehe :p 20:44:15 <FooBar_> planetmaker: for MU's it's a good feature I think, as they're only available in certain formations 20:44:38 <planetmaker> that's why I wrote _all_ trains :) 20:44:46 <DJNekkid> anyway, a IRM for instance ... is 3units, 4 units or 6 units 20:44:57 <DJNekkid> and 3 of theese can be connected 20:45:03 <planetmaker> though... why I cannot have an arbitrarily long ICE train - why not? 20:45:13 <planetmaker> it's not in the world as we live. But it's a game? 20:45:34 <DJNekkid> so it is posible to have virtually any formation up to TL9 20:45:50 <DJNekkid> i guess i could make the ICE3's and thalys' be able to be double length 20:46:20 <planetmaker> hm? In 2cc they're not limited, are they? 20:46:25 <planetmaker> or are they also in Dutch set? 20:46:31 <DJNekkid> the 2cc dont have any limitations 20:46:36 <planetmaker> oki 20:46:50 <DJNekkid> the _only_ limitation there is that all MU's cant carry mail 20:47:20 <DJNekkid> usually, the fastest and/or biggest in it's class 20:47:32 <DJNekkid> i.e: the ICE and duplex cant 20:49:44 <FooBar_> the ICE-3 descriptions is erroneous: it says max 1 ten-part unit, should be eight-part if you ask me :D 20:49:57 <DJNekkid> i know... just heavent been fixed yet :) 20:50:49 <FooBar_> alright 20:51:00 <FooBar_> maybe I should've opened an issue on the tracker :P 20:51:10 <DJNekkid> be my guest :) 20:51:19 <DJNekkid> that way i atleast wont forget :) 20:51:51 <FooBar_> while you're fixing, you could as well fix the IRM's description that it's an intercity as well. Although it was intended as regional train, it's never used that way 20:52:21 <FooBar_> and the Mat '64 is more like a local train... 20:52:48 <DJNekkid> oki... 20:53:00 <DJNekkid> i'll update that at once 20:53:28 <FooBar_> in fact, we don't have regional trains in the Netherlands, it's just local, intercity and the occasional high-speed or international train 20:53:39 <FooBar_> I'm starting to annoy you, right? :P 20:53:44 <DJNekkid> not really 20:53:51 <DJNekkid> i want to get discriptions right 20:54:33 <FooBar_> ok, shall I make an issue ticket then? 20:54:54 <DJNekkid> well, if you want to make better discriptions on them, be my guest 20:55:02 <DJNekkid> i mean 20:55:06 <DJNekkid> short haul intercity etc 20:55:33 <DJNekkid> but the cities in netherlands are so damn close... 20:55:54 <FooBar_> pretty much any train in NL is short haul... No train travels more than half an hour or so without stopping 20:55:56 <DJNekkid> so intercity there is more like a 15 minute trainride :) 20:56:27 <FooBar_> usual stops of intercity trains are indeed every 15 minutes 20:56:51 <DJNekkid> hehe... i've been to holland more then 1 time as you might have understood :) 20:57:03 <FooBar_> I have now :P 20:57:33 <DJNekkid> were the 4th time just recently, in a couple of years :) 20:58:12 <FooBar_> what's the occasion? The country can't be that fascinating if you ask me... 20:58:24 <Ammler> drugs 20:58:35 <FooBar_> Ammler: I was thinking the same :P 20:58:37 <DJNekkid> look at my name/nick, and make a calculated guess? :p 20:58:45 <DJNekkid> no, we dont do drugs 20:58:57 <DJNekkid> but sensation, trance energy and mysteryland is quite tempting :) 20:59:05 <FooBar_> then it must be the red light distric, or naked women in plain language :P 20:59:29 <FooBar_> oh, that other part of your nickname :P 20:59:56 <DJNekkid> perhaps i'll get a gig down there some day :) 21:01:44 <FooBar_> let me know if you do 21:01:49 <DJNekkid> hehe 21:01:59 <DJNekkid> i doubt it tho... 21:02:17 <DJNekkid> then i would need some serious connections first :) 21:02:24 <DJNekkid> know a clubowner down there? :9 21:03:28 <FooBar_> up here? not really I'm afraid... 21:04:18 <Brot> [DevZone] Dutch Train Set - Bug #86: train descriptions (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/86 21:04:59 <DJNekkid> :) 21:07:18 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 5: Feature: add rudimentary makefile support (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/5 21:08:11 <FooBar_> also, there's an error if I add the DD-AR unit to the (refitted) Velios. Have to refit it again to set the correct sprites on the last wagon 21:08:50 <DJNekkid> it's not supposed to be fittable to that anyway... 21:09:06 <DJNekkid> but as you can see, its far from finished :) 21:09:24 <Ammler> planetmaker: we should make a Makefile framework 21:09:36 <planetmaker> hehe :) 21:09:40 <Ammler> :-) 21:09:42 <planetmaker> generic grf makefiles :) 21:09:50 <planetmaker> would make sense. 21:09:56 <planetmaker> Like a proto grf project 21:10:05 <Ammler> make 2cctrainset 21:10:15 <FooBar_> planetmaker: you missed ogfx1 in the FILENAMES of makefile.config I think... 21:10:29 <planetmaker> oh...? well, then I should fix it :) 21:11:01 <planetmaker> indeed it's not there 21:11:25 <FooBar_> also, can you make "version" of opengfx.obg configurable through the makefile? 21:11:37 <Ammler> yep :-) 21:11:56 <Ammler> hg parent --template="{rev}\n" 21:12:21 <FooBar_> Ammler: I was about to suggest that that may take the revision number ;) 21:12:29 <planetmaker> FooBar_: yes. that's the next step 21:12:41 <FooBar_> sweet! 21:12:51 <Ammler> alpha5-rXXX 21:12:53 <FooBar_> sorry I'm ahead of you. Just a little exited :P 21:13:18 <Ammler> oh, and foobar, btw. :-) 21:13:19 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 6: Fix (r5): always add all files to the file list... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/6 21:13:48 <planetmaker> damn... 21:13:56 <Ammler> it is suboptimal to include the revision to the filename itself :-) 21:14:01 <planetmaker> I renumbered the files... changed every nfo :( 21:14:06 <planetmaker> bad bad 21:14:16 <planetmaker> that's going to need fixing in the make file :) 21:14:20 <Ammler> rollback 21:14:35 <planetmaker> never did 21:14:37 <planetmaker> how? 21:14:39 <FooBar_> -k 21:14:48 <Ammler> just run it on your maschine and on the server 21:14:53 <FooBar_> add that to the renum process 21:14:59 <Ammler> hg rollback 21:15:19 <planetmaker> Ammler: via ssh on the server? 21:15:41 <Ammler> FooBar_: because if you use grf lists in the cfg, you have to change them everytime you change the revision 21:15:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: yes 21:16:03 <planetmaker> ty. done 21:16:15 <planetmaker> FooBar_: if you have pulled, you should do it, too 21:16:52 <Ammler> planetmaker: now you need to revert the hg repo in redmine 21:16:55 <FooBar_> Ammler: I was talking about the version number inside the .obg file (http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/opengfx.obg) 21:16:57 <Ammler> :-) 21:17:20 <Ammler> or you just do the same commit again, just right. 21:17:28 <planetmaker> I do 21:17:45 <FooBar_> filenames can stay the same troughout revisions, the version needs to be increased to let ottd know what's newer ;) 21:18:10 <Ammler> FooBar_: I was meant as a general note to your usual behavoir 21:18:12 <Ammler> ;-) 21:18:22 <Ammler> you do it on most of your GRFs 21:18:54 <Ammler> or just on beta releases? 21:19:00 <planetmaker> FooBar_: if you look in the obg file, you'll see that the version is already replaced by a string :) 21:20:37 <FooBar_> planetmaker: It just reads plain "6" here. The version inside the description is indeed replaced by a string, not the version var. At least not on my end 21:21:15 <planetmaker> FooBar_: yes. the next step will be to replace that generic string by something from the config file, and the repo revision number 21:21:24 <FooBar_> Ammler: let's say I just do that on beta releases. As I haven't released any proper non-beta grf, I'm on the safe side I guess :P 21:21:43 <FooBar_> But I realise what you mean. 21:21:45 <Ammler> :-D 21:21:51 <planetmaker> hehe :) 21:22:10 <planetmaker> welcome to the land of the eternal beta :D 21:22:18 <FooBar_> planetmaker: alright then :P 21:22:22 <Ammler> well, bananas makes something similar bad. 21:22:29 <FooBar_> I seem to be just like Google sometimes... 21:22:35 <planetmaker> hm? 21:22:53 <FooBar_> I think bananas does that for a reason. 21:22:54 <planetmaker> can I go and send you search stuff for me? 21:23:10 <FooBar_> only if it's beta :P 21:23:30 <planetmaker> oh, every thing I need is only provisionally. So... it's beta :) 21:24:31 <FooBar_> bananas: keeping different filenames for different revisions allows to finish old games with an old version of a grf, while having the ability to start a new one with the new version 21:25:05 <Ammler> yeah, still :-) 21:25:07 <FooBar_> come to think of it, that's probably why I keep different filenames for different revisions. It has it's pros and cons... 21:25:35 <Ammler> dunno, maybe it doesn't need th epath anymore. 21:25:59 <Ammler> I see it from admin view ;-) 21:26:17 <Ammler> I have to setup games and prepare scenarios somethimes... 21:26:47 <Ammler> I like to use my grf presets 21:27:26 <Ammler> if a grf isn't compatible anymore 21:27:33 <Ammler> you should change the GRFID 21:28:11 <FooBar_> agreed, but if you overwrite it, you'll lose the ability to play an old game. 21:28:25 <Ammler> no 21:28:31 <FooBar_> having that said, if a grf isn't compatible, it should both change ID and name... 21:28:33 <FooBar_> why not? 21:28:45 <Ammler> if you have another ID, you will also change the filename :-) 21:28:57 <Ammler> yep :-) 21:31:36 <FooBar_> planetmaker: how did that rollback come along? 21:35:29 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/6 <-> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/opengfx/rev/ed4f0a3ca251 21:36:11 <Ammler> planetmaker: if you wonder how to fix the repo in redmine 21:36:47 <Ammler> just remove the repo, and readd it again. in Settings -> Repository 21:37:01 <planetmaker> FooBar_: rolled back 21:37:19 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 7: Add .hgignore for Makefile.local (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/7 21:37:20 <planetmaker> Ammler: uhm? 21:37:49 <Ammler> compare the 2 links I posted 21:37:59 <Ammler> it isn't really important 21:38:59 <planetmaker> hm, yes. looks... funny. Or outdated :D 21:39:25 <FooBar_> planetmaker: alright. 21:39:42 <planetmaker> Ammler: is it save to delete and re-add? 21:39:44 <FooBar_> might i suggest adding "-k" to NFORENUM_FLAGS in order to prevent it from happening again? 21:39:49 <Ammler> yep, no problem 21:40:00 <planetmaker> FooBar_: no. I'll modify makefile 21:40:11 <planetmaker> well... -k would solve it, yes 21:40:33 <FooBar_> that would mean that a bunch of *.nfo.new.nfo will be created. Those have to be grfcodeced instead of *.nfo then 21:40:38 <planetmaker> but I'd prefer to rename the nfo files in the first place. 21:40:56 <Ammler> yep, just liked to sav 21:40:58 <Ammler> say 21:41:16 <Ammler> grfcodec likes to use nfo 21:41:26 <FooBar_> well, do whatever suits you best, just saying... 21:41:30 <Ammler> I would change then to hnfo or so 21:42:44 <Ammler> or pnfo in this case, dunno, if you preprocess them? 21:43:01 <planetmaker> Ammler: now... I removed and re-added the repo 21:43:09 <planetmaker> And ALL versioning information is lost. 21:43:25 <planetmaker> on the web interface. hehehe 21:43:37 <Ammler> F5 21:43:58 <Ammler> or just switch to an other tab 21:44:43 <planetmaker> doesn't work 21:44:47 <Ammler> ah 21:44:49 <Ammler> yes 21:44:51 <planetmaker> every revision has ? 21:44:53 <Ammler> doesn't :-= 21:44:56 <planetmaker> *every file 21:45:04 <Ammler> I disabled autofetch 21:45:10 <planetmaker> well. nvm. We tested it and now we know :) 21:45:14 <Ammler> it need a commit :-) 21:45:20 <Ammler> or you wait an hour 21:45:38 <Ammler> every 11min past 21:45:50 <Ammler> you know what? 21:46:16 <Ammler> it will come back, trust me ;-=) 21:50:49 <FooBar_> it still knows the revisions if you type it in the little box in the upper right corner. e.g. type 4 in the box and see the makefiles disappear from the list. 21:58:18 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 5: Feature: add rudimentary makefile support (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/5 21:58:19 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 6: Fix (r5): always add all files to the file list... (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/6 21:58:20 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 7: Add .hgignore for Makefile.local (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/7 21:58:42 <Ammler> hehe 22:01:18 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 8: Fix (r5): avoid renumbering of original files. Name them .pnfo (planetmaker) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/8 22:03:00 * Ammler disabled autofetch again 22:14:48 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 22:19:18 <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Bug #87: "space" character of newspaperfont (foobar) - http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/87 22:24:11 <FooBar_> goodnight all, I'm off 22:24:12 <Ammler> another side note FooBar_ 22:24:17 <DJNekkid> quite nice theese bugs arent they foobar ... you kinda feel obligated to get rid of them :) 22:24:26 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/opengfx <-- also has zip, gz and bz2 links 22:24:30 <FooBar_> ah, then I'm waiting if you start talking again... 22:24:51 <Ammler> so if someone don't like to use hg, he can just download a zip of the course. 22:25:13 <Ammler> source* 22:25:24 <Ammler> and I wish you a good night too :-) 22:25:56 <FooBar_> thanks ammler. I'll add that to the readme al well 22:26:44 <Ammler> I have actually no idea, how my server would handle multiple calls to it, but well, we will see. 22:26:46 <FooBar_> nighty-night 22:26:57 *** FooBar_ has quit IRC 23:49:53 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 23:53:09 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone