Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 29th May 2009:
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01:33:11  <Brot5> Backup done! (Usage: 39M)
01:33:11  <Brot5> PARDON me, am I speaking ENGLISH?
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06:14:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 31: Feature: mark a modified version modified (planetmaker) -
06:29:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 32: Feature: Use a possible tag for creating the title and filename. Otherwise... (planetmaker) -
07:32:19  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Support #138: nightly or weekly builds? (planetmaker) -
08:05:19  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 33: Fix (r32) slight variable mis-naming and confusion (planetmaker) -
08:17:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 34: Change: remove the revision string from the config file. Use tag in the re... (planetmaker) -
08:20:19  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Support #138: nightly or weekly builds? (foobar) -
08:23:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Support #138: nightly or weekly builds? (planetmaker) -
08:45:05  <Ammler> morning planetmaker
08:45:16  <Ammler> tip will never have a tag :-)
08:46:25  <Ammler> hmm
08:52:07  <planetmaker> Ammler, that's true.
08:52:31  <planetmaker> it will always be the one prior to that, if you tag it...
08:52:37  <planetmaker> hm...
08:52:43  <Ammler> he
08:52:44  <planetmaker> oh, and good morning to you Ammler :)
08:52:57  <planetmaker> I like my "M", if the source is modified :)
08:53:04  <Ammler> I update one by one, and when there is a tag, -> compile
08:53:04  <planetmaker> I borrowed a bit from openttd :)
08:53:27  <planetmaker> going down? hm, yes...
08:53:34  <Ammler> that isn't from openttd
08:53:40  <Ammler> that is svn behavior
08:53:54  <planetmaker> uhm? adding the "M" to the filename? It is openttd.
08:53:58  <Ammler> my minigrfs does have a M too.
08:53:58  <planetmaker> and to the version
08:54:21  <planetmaker> otherwise there was no indication.
08:54:31  <planetmaker> maybe svn does it. hg certainly not
08:54:40  <Ammler> yep
08:54:44  <Ammler> :-)
08:56:20  <planetmaker> yep. looks like. for svn they don't add the M :)
09:03:11  <Ammler> what happens, if there are 2 tags in one changeset?
09:03:23  <Ammler> maybe a simple head -1 helps
09:05:46  <planetmaker> that might help. If there are more than one, they're separated by a single space
09:06:11  <planetmaker> which is pretty ugly. Not sure whether it breaks some other processing. Might as well as space has special meaning in shell commands.
09:12:37  <planetmaker> <-- Ammler :)
09:12:38  <Ammler> pipe it thought "tr " " -
09:14:31  <Ammler> another change i would make there is that if tip has no comment starting with svn:..., it is modified.
09:14:55  <planetmaker> hm, yes
09:15:00  <Ammler> and if it is a "clean" openttd branch, use svn rev
09:15:15  <planetmaker> makes sense IMO
09:15:27  <planetmaker> I might look into it :) Or you do it :P
09:16:19  <Ammler> I have no idea, how that would be done with git, maybe not possible :-)
09:16:46  <planetmaker> no idea :) I don't use it, so I don't care too much. Maybe a git user can change that :P
09:17:20  <Ammler> but IS2 should be marked as modified, imo.
09:18:17  <planetmaker> yes, it should
09:18:32  <Ammler> target clean doesn't remove the *tar, is that intendend?
09:19:01  <planetmaker> in opengfx? no. It's an oversight
09:19:26  <Ammler> do you have futher changes there?
09:19:30  <Ammler> else I add it...
09:20:02  <planetmaker> I have r34 w/o changes
09:20:22  <planetmaker> so, go ahead :)
09:20:44  <planetmaker> I find that I commit way too many fixes to my own commits :S
09:22:59  <Ammler> hehe
09:23:41  <planetmaker> just like this morning. Tested on my laptop during breakfast: fine. pulled at work: hm.. strange.
09:23:51  <Ammler> you might just forget about rollback
09:26:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 35: added *.tar to make cleaning (ottdc@mozart) -
09:26:38  <planetmaker> well. Not really. I used it a lot in order to test the recent changes. I don't want to commit tags after all.
09:26:46  <planetmaker> If you look closely, I did nevertheless :P
09:38:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Feature #140: download log script (foobar) -
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11:25:32  <planetmaker> Ammler, shall / can we propose more projects to migrate to our dev site? Like the HEQS?
11:26:04  <planetmaker> I'm always a bit reluctant as I'm basically prodding people to use something which you work for ;)
11:26:17  <planetmaker> so I always feel better to ask :)
11:36:26  <Ammler> yes and please don't asl anymore... :-)
11:36:36  <Ammler> but we still don't have a proper backup solution
11:36:42  <Ammler> ask*
11:37:28  <planetmaker> don't ask you or don't ask others? :)
11:37:38  <Ammler> backup like what happens, if my server crashes and I am not able to recover it  immediately
11:37:55  <planetmaker> hm... how many MB is it?
11:38:17  <Ammler> I asked osai, but no answer yet.
11:38:19  <planetmaker> well... you have a data backup, do you?
11:38:28  <planetmaker> yes, how many MB is it?
11:38:45  <Ammler> hmm, there is a daily backup
11:38:58  <Ammler> and the source is backuped to every dev :-)
11:39:07  <planetmaker> hehe :)
11:39:08  <Ammler> or bitbucket or what ever
11:39:10  <planetmaker> true
11:39:27  <Ammler> <Brot5> [03:33:11] Backup done! (Usage: 39M)
11:40:03  <Ammler> but you need to setup the whole redmine
11:40:20  <planetmaker> hm...
11:40:37  <planetmaker> It would be nice to mirror your server.
11:40:42  <planetmaker> or the corresponding part.
11:40:44  <Ammler> yes
11:40:52  <planetmaker> ./hg-repos is 1GB
11:41:02  <Ammler> doesn't matter
11:41:09  <Ammler> that isn't important
11:41:14  <planetmaker> ./GRFPack 370MB
11:42:03  <Ammler> the repos are backuped well enouh, imo.
11:42:38  <planetmaker> yes.
11:42:57  <Ammler> the server does a monthly full backup and between some incremental backups
11:43:13  <planetmaker> well, that *should* suffice, too IMO
11:43:16  <Ammler> so technical, there is no issue.
11:43:34  <planetmaker> It's not like that it's then not recoverable.
11:43:41  <planetmaker> unless the backup fails :)
11:43:52  <planetmaker> what would need backup in your POV?
11:44:14  <Ammler> redmine only
11:44:26  <Ammler> well not backup
11:44:55  <Ammler> backup is there, it should be continueable if I leave or what ever...
11:45:36  <Ammler> hmm, I could add you to the root
11:46:37  <Ammler> I create a user planetmaker and allow sudo fot that without pw.
11:49:52  <planetmaker> :O
11:50:22  <planetmaker> I dearly hope you don't leave us, Ammler :)
11:53:39  <Ammler> I don't plan to, but you never know.
11:54:13  <Ammler> and if we have too many projects on the server, it could hurt, if it is down just a day
11:54:40  <Ammler> I remember such things from
11:54:51  <Ammler> and TB was on vactation
11:54:55  <planetmaker> yes... true.
11:55:14  <planetmaker> hm... makes a mirror system so much more valuable.
11:55:18  <Ammler> I guess, a daily push to bitbucket, shold suffice
11:55:29  <planetmaker> hm, yes.
11:55:56  <Ammler> and if it really down, you could just use bitbucket as project portal ;-)
11:56:20  <Ammler> push/pull back to redmine is easy, if it is up again.
11:57:06  <Ammler> I will add some sudo commands to your user
11:57:44  <Ammler> like kill and reboot, that if the system someone broke, you should be able to recover it, if it is locked
11:57:56  <Ammler> it didn't happen anymore, since I cleaned up a lot
11:58:12  <Ammler> i.e. we had very long no "file limit" error anymore.
11:58:31  <Ammler> or the memory issue.
11:59:04  <Ammler> but such things would be the easierst fixed with a "simple" reboot
11:59:18  <Ammler> as you don't need to look up all users etc.
11:59:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Support #135: Testsave (DJNekkid) -
11:59:19  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #139: Sm2 Engine can't use MU Express wagons (DJNekkid) -
11:59:21  <planetmaker> wow. Thank you for your trust.
11:59:46  <Ammler> I don't :-)
11:59:52  <planetmaker> :D
11:59:57  <planetmaker> good :)
12:00:06  <Ammler> I don't need to, I just give you some commands
12:00:12  <Ammler> but maybe, who knows.
12:00:21  <Ammler> ;-)
12:00:45  <planetmaker> well. I think reboot is quite a powerful command :)
12:01:09  <Ammler> hehe
12:01:25  <Ammler> do you have a domain I should assign to your user?
12:01:42  <Ammler> <something>
12:02:09  <planetmaker> what implication does "assign to user" have?
12:02:55  <planetmaker> I have no server with root access which answers to *
12:02:56  <Ammler> it is your login ssh <user>@<something>
12:03:27  <planetmaker> ah... hm. if it's assigned, login from elsehwere is not possible, right?
12:03:46  <planetmaker> then use my workplace PC:
12:04:29  <Ammler> no
12:04:32  <Ammler> :-D
12:04:42  <Ammler> it would just be name I use in webmin
12:05:05  <Ammler> maybe you like to use your domain
12:05:10  <Ammler> else I use
12:05:29  <planetmaker> I think I cannot assign sub domains to other places.
12:06:14  <planetmaker> but I think I still have a missing understanding of some concept here :S
12:06:59  <planetmaker> otherwise is fine. But that would require changing some of my domain settings, right?
12:07:32  <Ammler> well, doesn't matter
12:07:38  <planetmaker> :)
12:08:00  <planetmaker> hehe...
12:10:04  <Ammler> planetmaker: yes, well, if you want you can do that and tell me
12:10:11  <Ammler> I can use it as alias for
12:10:22  <Ammler> now user is done
12:14:33  <planetmaker> ok. nice
12:14:56  <planetmaker> I think my domain doesn't allow that. It's only a webhosting thing.
12:15:00  <planetmaker> not a server
12:17:04  <planetmaker> hm... I can forward a domain to another http address.
12:22:26  <Ammler> :-)
12:22:28  <Ammler> no dns?
12:22:38  <Ammler> planetmaker:
12:24:07  <Ammler> now, try to reboot the server :-)
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12:26:00  <planetmaker> no, I don't have DNS.
12:26:19  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 36: Merge r34, r35 (planetmaker) -
12:26:20  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Revision 37: Change: only use the first tag of a revision as the build name (version st... (planetmaker) -
12:28:40  <Ammler> planetmaker: didn't pull :P
12:31:18  <planetmaker> he, yes. so. I ssh to the server, make su planetmaker and then reboot?
12:32:06  <planetmaker> hm, no. su with my key's pw doesn't work :)
12:32:12  <Ammler> su planetmaker?
12:32:32  <Ammler> if you login to the server, you shoul already be planetmaker
12:32:42  <planetmaker> ah ok. ssh planetmaker@... ?
12:32:46  <Ammler> yep
12:32:55  <planetmaker> yes works :)
12:32:56  <Ammler> then "sudo /sbin/reboot"
12:33:40  <planetmaker> meep
12:33:52  <planetmaker> ssh died instantly :P
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12:35:16  <Ammller> bad man :-)
12:36:02  <planetmaker> hehe... POWER-MONGER!
12:36:28  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: have you been into the last PS game recently
12:36:28  <DJNekkid> ?
12:36:33  <DJNekkid> or Ammler for that matter
12:36:47  <Ammller> no
12:36:59  <Ammller> well, my bug about superbus is from there
12:37:12  <DJNekkid> they did built 4 V150's in a single consist ...
12:37:15  <Ammller> server is up again
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12:37:57  <Ammller> Redmine woks also just nice again
12:38:10  <Ammller> planetmaker: now Brot5 :-)
12:38:49  <Ammller> hmm, my znc doesn't start automatically
12:39:21  <Ammller> and Brot :-/
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12:41:33  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, I haven't.
12:41:43  <planetmaker> Ammller, ... what does need doing?
12:42:04  <planetmaker> ah... yet another user :P
12:42:15  <Ammller> planetmaker:
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12:42:31  <planetmaker> yes. seen that. wondered about the directory. wrong user :P
12:42:52  <Ammller> you need to ssh
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12:42:59  <planetmaker> ah. damn. screen before...
12:43:07  <Ammller> mäh
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12:43:16  <planetmaker> sry
12:43:25  <Ammller> my znc didn't authentificate slef
12:43:41  <Ammller> planetmaker: what's wrong, looks nice
12:43:52  <Ammller> the "mäh" was for my znc
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12:44:08  <planetmaker> yes. But I didn't start from inside screen. E.g. it'd be killed, if I kill the xterm
12:44:31  <planetmaker> or... doesn't the irccat thing need starting as described?
12:44:34  <Ammller> maybe easier with nohup
12:44:48  <Ammller> it does
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12:48:30  <planetmaker> good. screen for ottdc is running again.
12:50:08  <Brot5> 2:50pm up 0:14, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
12:50:21  <Ammler> hehe
12:55:06  <Ammler> after a reboot, I miss znc, brot, rtorrent :-)
12:58:13  <planetmaker> brot should start automatically? Isn't that irccat?
12:58:44  <Ammler> we have Brot and Brot5 :-)
12:58:48  <Ammler> brot is eggdrop
12:59:26  <Ammler> I might be able to replace that with irccat, too.
12:59:30  <planetmaker> oh....
12:59:56  <Ammler> irc isn't a real bot
13:00:15  <Ammler> it just redirects to output to IRC
13:00:48  <Ammler> just run iecho and you know :-)
13:01:04  <Ammler> (ad redmine)
13:01:35  <Ammler> as the other user, you need to pipe to netcat (echo "test" | netcat localhost 5678)
13:01:36  <planetmaker> ah
13:02:26  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Support #138: nightly or weekly builds? (planetmaker) -
13:13:21  <Ammler> planetmaker: make clean should not delete files, it doesn't create, imo.
13:13:38  <Ammler> well, nvm.
13:15:14  <planetmaker> hm? what files are there which make doesn't create?
13:15:18  <planetmaker> you mean the use of *
13:15:31  <planetmaker> make clean: -rm -rf /
13:15:32  <planetmaker> :D
13:15:46  <planetmaker> make clean: -sudo rm -rf /
13:15:50  <planetmaker> even better :P
13:16:31  <Ammler> * is ok, but i.e. the backup files, which aren't from make
13:16:45  <Ammler> like orig
13:18:20  <planetmaker> well. They're from editing.
13:18:27  <planetmaker> I like them cleaned :)
13:20:12  <Ammler> then you might also delete *~
13:20:33  <planetmaker> yes. But I don't have them :P
13:20:39  <planetmaker> but yes, I'd delete those
13:20:50  <Ammler> vim!
13:20:59  <planetmaker> it's common to add them to .hgignore and make clean
13:21:05  <planetmaker> :) true.
13:21:39  <Ammler> with the KDE 4.2 console, you don't need GUI anymore :-)
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13:57:19  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Support #141: update reference list of vehicles (planetmaker) -
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14:01:27  <planetmaker> ok I'm off till late Sunday, I guess. Have a good Whitsun holiday
14:02:02  <Ammler> nice Weekend planetmaker
14:02:12  <planetmaker> same to you, Ammler :)
14:02:30  <Ammler> thanks :-)
15:09:19  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #142: Cargotranslation table dont seem to work as intended (DJNekkid) -
15:18:52  <Ammler> DJNekkid: does the look of some sprites change over the years?
15:19:12  <DJNekkid> no
15:19:27  <DJNekkid> atleast not intentionally
15:19:31  <Ammler> or shall we just use "vehicle never expire" and make a game on later 2000
15:20:43  <DJNekkid> could be done...
15:22:44  <DJNekkid> but tbh, i think we have to many ungly wagons...
15:22:50  <DJNekkid> that selfdischaring hopper sux...
15:24:18  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Revision 156: changed some stuff on the flatbed long (DJNekkid) -
15:24:51  <Ammler> "changed some stuff" :P
15:35:56  <DJNekkid> hehe
15:36:07  <DJNekkid> should i try to make better comments? :)
15:36:23  <Ammler> hehe
15:37:01  <DJNekkid>
15:37:03  <Webster> Title: 2cc train set - Bug #143: Make better ... - #openttdcoop Development Zone (at
15:39:20  <Brot> [DevZone] 2cc train set - Bug #143: Make better ... (DJNekkid) -
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15:59:20  <Ammler> DJNekkid: did you check the blauibus grf?=
15:59:41  <Ammler> it does exactly what you mean with millenium
16:02:43  <Ammler> hmm, andy could make a project here, then you could help him with the code on hqes
16:18:02  <Brot5> OpenGFX: update from r35 to r37, starting nightly compile
16:18:03  <Brot5> OpenGFX: nightly compile finished with 22 errors:
16:23:58  <Brot5> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r37)
16:24:26  <Brot5> OpenGFX: update from r35 to r37, starting nightly compile
16:24:48  <Brot5> OpenGFX: nightly compile finished with 1 errors:
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16:41:36  <Brot5> OpenGFX: update from r36 to r37, starting nightly compile
16:41:36  <Brot5> OpenGFX: nightly compile finished with 22 errors:
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16:52:47  <Brot5> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r37)
16:53:13  <Brot5> OpenGFX: update from r35 to r37, starting nightly compile
16:53:34  <Brot5> OpenGFX: nightly compile finished with 1 errors:
16:53:39  <Ammler> :-)
16:53:45  <Ammler> now, it should work
16:53:53  <Ammler> DJNekkid: the same for 2cc?
16:59:50  <Ammler> FooBar_: heya
16:59:59  <Ammler> I am not able to run your script
17:00:06  <FooBar_> Hi Ammler
17:00:11  <FooBar_> you aren't?
17:00:34  <Ammler> I disabled the .htaccess and tried first just directly with download.php
17:00:56  <Ammler>
17:01:15  <Ammler> added also the path, didn't work either?
17:01:23  <Ammler> does file need relative path?
17:02:10  <FooBar_> let me have a look real quickly
17:03:51  <Ammler> wouldn't it be easier, instead of using 
17:04:10  <Ammler> just use the php env var script or so?
17:04:46  <FooBar_> I wouldn't know how that works. At least not from the top of my head
17:06:07  <FooBar_> could you grant me ftp access to test a few changes in the php or htaccess files?
17:07:02  <FooBar_> the php file does do something, because offers a file for download
17:08:03  <Ammler> so it has troubles with subfolders?
17:09:01  <Ammler> RewriteRule ^$ index.html [QSA]
17:09:08  <Ammler> that would keep the file name
17:09:13  <FooBar_> not necessarily, try
17:09:17  <FooBar_> that works as well
17:09:48  <Ammler> then using SCRIPT_NAME
17:10:20  <FooBar_> it seems that it refuses to do the tars, as it then outputs the file's location
17:11:24  <Ammler> hmm
17:11:29  <Ammler> they are form an other user
17:12:15  <FooBar_> not necessarily tar related either.
17:12:23  <FooBar_> works as well
17:12:35  <FooBar_> other user you say?
17:12:35  <Ammler> let me disable save mode
17:12:47  <FooBar_> it might be that php isn't allowed to access the files...
17:15:18  <Ammler> ok, works now
17:16:15  <FooBar_> yep, I see
17:16:25  <FooBar_> it doesn't count downloads though
17:16:56  <Ammler> active the .htaccess again
17:17:09  <FooBar_> can you delete that csv file as well?
17:18:23  <Ammler> delete?
17:18:30  <Ammler> to reset?
17:19:00  <FooBar_> yep
17:19:13  <FooBar_> it doesn't count the downloads of the files I've accessed so far
17:19:19  <FooBar_> I want to know why that is...
17:19:40  <Ammler> it does here
17:20:07  <Ammler> ok, deleted
17:20:12  <FooBar_> thanks
17:20:58  <Ammler> now, we need a script, which makes the repo serveable :-)
17:21:18  <Ammler> well, doesn't matter :-)
17:21:22  <Ammler> looks fine so far.
17:21:28  <FooBar_> hmmm
17:21:44  <FooBar_> it seems to work, but Fx's cache seems to be wrong
17:22:12  <FooBar_> Each csv file I download gives me the same contents, although the size differs according to the file list...
17:23:08  <Ammler> try ctrl-click
17:23:19  <Ammler> ctrl-refresh
17:23:27  <FooBar_> using IE it's in order
17:23:39  <FooBar_> one more reset please :)
17:24:16  <FooBar_> what did you say about a script that makes the repo serveable?
17:24:33  <Ammler> a bit better looking
17:24:38  <Ammler> with filter
17:24:52  <Ammler> for the openttd nightly folder
17:25:11  <FooBar_> there's some apache extension to "decorate" the filelist using .htaccess
17:25:19  <Ammler> <-- HMM
17:26:25  <FooBar_> there's a period in the file
17:26:33  <Ammler> that is directory
17:26:36  <FooBar_> .htaccess thinks the rest is the extension...
17:27:00  <Ammler> htaccess should be able to handle that then
17:27:16  <FooBar_> yep
17:27:23  <FooBar_> I'm trying to figure something out
17:27:56  <FooBar_> I think this could work:
17:27:59  <FooBar_> RewriteRule (.*\..*[^(php)^/])$ /download.php?file=
17:28:07  <FooBar_> dunno if you need to escape the slash though
17:29:49  <FooBar_> otherwise this:
17:29:51  <FooBar_> RewriteRule (.*\.[0-9a-zA-Z]*[^(php)])$ /download.php?file=
17:30:38  <FooBar_> or leaving the A-Z out and making the rule case-insensitive
17:31:56  <FooBar_> RewriteRule (.*\.[0-9a-z]*[^(php)])$ /download.php?file= [NC]
17:32:26  <Ammler> not with RewriteCond?
17:32:36  <Ammler> -f
17:32:45  <FooBar_> or
17:32:46  <FooBar_> RewriteRule (.*\.\w*[^(php)])$ /download.php?file= [NC]
17:33:09  <FooBar_> well, do whatever you like :)
17:33:30  <FooBar_> I don't understand too much of the rewritecond, so I rather fix the rule :P
17:33:52  <FooBar_> if it works, the latter might be the best I think
17:33:59  <Ammler> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -f
17:35:52  <FooBar_> I started reading something about RewriteCond...
17:35:57  <FooBar_> yes, that could work I think
17:38:07  <Ammler> mh
17:39:03  <Ammler> seems not to work
17:43:34  <FooBar_> you know why?
17:43:36  <FooBar_> $path="/home/openttd/public_html";
17:43:48  <FooBar_> that's most likely different
17:44:48  <Ammler> fixed ;-)
17:45:05  <Ammler> RewriteRule (.*\..*[^(php)])$
17:45:49  <Ammler> PERFECT!
17:46:03  <FooBar_> nice work!
17:46:42  <FooBar_> I already started thinking along the lines of checking what server is used and setting $path depending on that...
17:49:21  <FooBar_> I guess we're all set then
17:50:11  <FooBar_> By the way, I asked Bilbo if he was interested in commit access and he actually is
17:50:13  <DJNekkid> Ammler: yes, if andy made the HEQS hg'ed i could help him, np :)
17:50:42  <Ammler> pm send him a pm
17:50:52  <Ammler> t*
17:50:55  <DJNekkid> :)
17:51:17  <DJNekkid> btw ... thoose new monolev engines ... imho, butt ugly. not very ttd'ish
17:51:28  <DJNekkid> they look like some kind of ... bad simutrains gfx
17:52:18  <Ammler> your train is really nice, but. :-)
17:52:35  <DJNekkid> this has nothing to do with my train, i just think the other one is crap!
17:52:36  <DJNekkid> hehe
17:53:00  <Ammler> they are better than black boxes
17:53:17  <Ammler> I think, it isn't the only thing which need rework, after beta1
17:53:45  <DJNekkid> hehe...
17:53:55  <Ammler> but afaik, if read it right, from Zeph and maybe also foobar, the goal is first to complete it, then to rethink ;-)
17:53:55  <DJNekkid> now that might be true as well :)
17:54:37  <Ammler> it will be a long way to openttd trunk :-)
17:54:57  <DJNekkid> hehe... :)
17:55:17  <Ammler>  a lot people complain about the set, but you don't get better graphics.
17:55:36  <Ammler> I know, it is easy to complain, I did that too.
17:56:23  <DJNekkid> hehe...
17:56:31  <DJNekkid> i know...
17:56:48  <DJNekkid> but when someone makes something that he or she wants in, and its not very good, i think we are obligated to say so :)
17:56:50  <DJNekkid> hehe
17:56:56  <Ammler> I made an annoucement in the german thread, too. They were almost mean. :-(
17:57:19  <DJNekkid> i mean, all other train engines and such look awsome, and then the monolev ones look completely different ...
17:57:23  <Ammler> DJNekkid: but not against black boxes, imo.
17:57:29  <DJNekkid> hehe
17:57:36  <DJNekkid> also true
17:58:03  <Ammler> I made a newgrf for him, so he can use it also if we don't use them in the final set. ;-)
17:58:03  <DJNekkid> but i bet i could make them somewhat better within sunday if i had the time...
17:58:24  <DJNekkid> and i have little or no experience with drawing
17:58:33  <DJNekkid> i've made two things in my life
17:58:40  <DJNekkid> the IC125 that currently is in opengfx
17:58:48  <DJNekkid> and that chimaera thats not included yet
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17:58:57  <Ammler> I didn't really play with them, but I said that laready, the lev3 is ugly too
17:59:18  <Brot> [DevZone] OpenGFX - Support #138 (Closed): nightly or weekly builds? (foobar) -
17:59:20  <Ammler> first I thought, I have coded them wrong and still black boxes.
17:59:33  <DJNekkid> needed action 0 prop 12 FD ?
18:00:07  <FooBar_> I agree that the monolevs can be "improved", but since nobody else has shown the interest in drawing a full matching set, it's better than nothing
18:00:28  <Ammler> the GUI is ugly, either.
18:00:34  <Ammler> and and and...
18:00:48  <FooBar_> DJ, your chimaera surely is very nice, but it wouldn't feel comfortable amongst the rest ;)
18:00:49  <Ammler> but everything is better than nothing.
18:00:57  <FooBar_> Ammler: exactly!
18:01:01  <DJNekkid> FooBar_: perhaps tomorrow... rumor has it that we are gonna go to my inlaws and sunbath tomorrow...
18:01:21  <DJNekkid> and i'll bring my laptop and sit under a parasol and try to draw something that might fit :)
18:01:40  <FooBar_> don't rush yourself, but feel free to improve whatever you want to improve!
18:01:52  <DJNekkid> i feel like improving thoose .)
18:01:52  <Ammler> wouldn't it fit to 2cc?
18:02:05  <DJNekkid> my chimaera?
18:02:10  <Ammler> yes?
18:02:15  <DJNekkid> i've actually thought about that
18:02:27  <DJNekkid> some kind of 4unit long thing or something
18:02:39  <Ammler> beside the superbus
18:02:49  <DJNekkid> the superbus suck!
18:02:50  <DJNekkid> hehe
18:02:54  <Ammler> :-D
18:06:00  <Ammler> FooBar_: btw, I can unzip on the server too ;-)
18:06:13  <FooBar_> didn't know
18:06:19  <FooBar_> figured I'd better tar it :)
18:06:30  <Ammler> tar has no compression
18:07:21  <FooBar_> I know, but for some small files like this it doesn't matter much I think
18:07:21  <Ammler> I am suprised you can tar :-)
18:07:43  <FooBar_> 7-zip can do it
18:08:15  <Ammler> I can also unpack 7z
18:08:26  <Ammler> :-)
18:08:45  <FooBar_> tar actually /im/pressed in this case. 1k+4k=7k :)
18:08:58  <Ammler> made subdir for the script, btw.
18:09:34  <Ammler>
18:09:34  <FooBar_> Well, by default I use WinZip. That can neither tar nor 7z, but it's a little more user-friendly
18:10:06  <DJNekkid> winrar ?
18:10:09  <DJNekkid> it can do all :)
18:10:20  <FooBar_> for the occasional tar creation I whip out the 7z
18:10:33  <FooBar_> winrar can't create tars either. Believe me, I've tried
18:10:36  <DJNekkid> ptch! (whip-sound)
18:10:44  <FooBar_> hehehe :)
18:10:49  <DJNekkid> it can "untar"
18:11:05  <Ammler> 7zip can do all either and better
18:11:11  <FooBar_> winzip can untar also, as well as it unrars
18:11:13  <Ammler> and free and open
18:11:26  <DJNekkid> i use 7zip as well for most stuff btw
18:11:27  <DJNekkid> :)
18:11:34  <DJNekkid> i've been a command line junkie lately
18:11:56  <FooBar_> 7zip indeed can do more than either, but I just can't get the hang of it, dunno why that is
18:12:20  <Ammler> it makes also a nice self extracting archive
18:12:44  <Ammler> (I have some experience with archive formats from the grfpack)
18:12:44  <FooBar_> Anyways, I have all three so there's always something that can decompress something else
18:13:34  <Ammler> in that case, bzip2 lost :-(
18:13:37  <FooBar_> Would have to try the self-extracting stuff out. I used to use WinZip Self Extractor (the full edition) for that, but recently switched to WinRAR
18:14:13  <Ammler> the best compressing tool for unix is 7zip, too.
18:15:35  <DJNekkid> anyway...
18:15:46  <DJNekkid> i like my dutchset code, appart from the ICM
18:15:47  <Ammler> yes, have fun :P
18:15:51  <Ammler> oh
18:16:00  <Ammler> I thought, you say "good bye" :P
18:16:32  <DJNekkid> nah, i'll be online all night ... tho might be WoW'ing soon :)
18:16:48  <Ammler> do you meet Purno there?
18:17:04  <DJNekkid> nope
18:17:10  <Ammler> :-)
18:17:13  <FooBar_> well, I'm off to do some autocad
18:17:33  <Ammler> autocad,?
18:17:34  <FooBar_> If you need me: highlight. I won't be reading constantly ;)
18:17:37  <FooBar_> yes, autocad
18:17:39  <Ammler> technical drawing?
18:17:52  <FooBar_> yep
18:18:25  <Ammler> then, have fun too ;-)
18:18:39  <Ammler> FooBar_: btw, is there something else left to code?
18:19:07  <FooBar_> check the tracker...
18:19:10  <Ammler> :-)
18:19:14  <FooBar_> I don't think so actually
18:19:15  <Ammler> well, only pbs ther
18:19:28  <Ammler> and that might Bilbo do self
18:19:29  <FooBar_> yes, but we better leave that to Bilbo himself
18:19:36  <Ammler> :-)
18:20:08  <FooBar_> otherwise when he gets commit access in a few days, there's nothing to do any more :)
18:20:36  <Ammler> did you get feedback from the 32peoples?
18:21:07  <Ammler> well, I leave you now :-)
18:21:14  <FooBar_> yes, do that :)
18:21:40  <Ammler> :-D
18:21:46  <FooBar_> check the forums for feedback. Haven't recieved any personal messages.
18:29:14  <Ammler> hmm, maybe I can do something for 2cc then?
18:29:51  <DJNekkid> wanna have a deep dish into translation tables? i've never completely understood them
18:31:04  <DJNekkid> deep dive even
18:35:33  <Ammler> cargo?
18:35:40  <DJNekkid> yes
18:36:07  <Ammler> he, dunno, if that is the right place to start :-)
18:36:23  <DJNekkid> how about makeing a save then?
18:36:28  <Ammler> lol
18:36:30  <DJNekkid> with all cargo wagons in a row or something? :)
18:36:47  <Ammler> we can do that together on a server
18:36:55  <DJNekkid> good idea :)
18:36:56  <Ammler> shall I start one?
18:37:01  <DJNekkid> can fix bug 143 tho
18:37:52  <DJNekkid> or, perhaps make a better sorting of the wagons
18:37:55  <DJNekkid> similar to regsel.nfo
18:38:43  <Ammler> ok, server is compiling with newest nightly
18:38:51  <Ammler> or stable?
18:38:59  <DJNekkid> recent nightly
18:39:07  <DJNekkid> or pref
18:39:11  <DJNekkid> same as the opencoop server is
18:39:22  <DJNekkid> so i dont have to download a new build
18:39:28  <Ammler> hmm, indeed, we can use the prozone
18:39:52  <DJNekkid> hmm
18:40:07  <DJNekkid> seems like we are going into a fantazy world now according to the wife :p
18:41:13  <Ammler> hehe, indeed
18:41:44  <Ammler> did she try openttd already?
18:42:16  <DJNekkid> hehe
18:42:37  <DJNekkid> or, just start the server
18:42:40  <DJNekkid> it wont take that much time
18:42:45  <DJNekkid> but enable all cheats first :)
18:43:02  <DJNekkid> she had to do some facebook and chatting first
18:46:11  <DJNekkid> omfg!
18:46:26  <Ammler> join
18:46:45  <DJNekkid> a friend of my wife had been in budapest, with a picture of a subway there... and she asked me... what train is that, and the worst thing i knew... EV3-200 ...
18:46:49  <Ammler> 2cc doesn't have different waggons in climas?
18:46:52  <DJNekkid> luck tho, as i've programmed it
18:46:53  <DJNekkid> nope
18:47:09  <Ammler> hehe
18:49:23  <DJNekkid> whats the ip/address of the server?
19:09:38  <Ammler> DJNekkid: still
19:09:43  <Ammler> :-)
19:11:50  <Ammler> shame on us, we didn't see that bug with the gondola
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